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META: What annoys you most about Wehraboos? (self.ShitWehraboosSay)

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What about them grinds your gears the most? For me, it is how they think that their contraian ideas are new and profound instead of bewing childish arguments that obscure the crimes of the German military.

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[–]deathpigeonxNazi Jet Fuel Can Melt Steel Beams 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

They are defending fucking Nazis.

[–]blackjacksandhookersSTGs would've stopped the Soviet horde 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

1) Their assumption that having a positive view about Wehrmacht soldiers is a totally fringe opinion. Example: "I hate how many people can't distinguish between the Nazis and German soldiers". Clean Wehrmacht was, and still is, a very popular view.

2) Their belief that calling Wehrmacht men "Nazi soldiers" is like calling American troops "Democrat soldiers". If the Democrats ruled a nation like the Nazi Reich and if the US Army was massively influenced by these hypothetical Democrats, then maybe this would make sense.

[–]Repulsive_AnteaterCurtis LeMayMay was the real Hitler 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nail on the head Panzerfaust on the glacis.

[–]elos_ 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Absolute adherence to a view they clearly have zero actual academic experience with. It's so peculiar.

[–]IsThatJesus 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Their whole false empathy thing. They pretend that the only reason they support the Wehrmacht is because they have empathy for those poor soldiers.

If these Wehraboos really had so much goddamn empathy, you'd think they'd care more about the Wehrmacht's victims.

[–]Mafaka322 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because when they are trying to justify why Germany lost the war they bring even more shame to it.

[–]Mafaka322 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

That they are basically Goebbels children

[–]jeteawayOn this 8th of May let us face up as well as we can to the truth 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

RIP Helga Susanne.

[–]SuperSmith_ 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

Saying that Germany had superior weaponry and the US had totally inferior weaponry. I was watching a Red Orchestra 2 USA vs. Germany mod video last night. In the comments someone was saying the Springfield rifle was a copy of the Mauser K98 so that means the Springfield was bad. Wouldn't that also make the K98 bad by extension? The Thompson had too high of a ROF and the MP40 was a slower firing weapon so that = better in every way. They conveniently forgot the M2 Grease Gun, pretty much the US MP40. The M1 Carbine was horrible because it didn't have "stopping power" (stopping power doesn't exist). The M1 Garand is inferior compared to the Gewehr 43 (when the M1 is standard issue and the Gewehr 43 is for "elite" troops then that doesn't matter). The Walther P38 and Luger had more rounds in the magazine compared to the M1911 so they were better (.45 ACP back in those days was better than 9mm Luger, nowadays it is just preference). Germany had the STG-44, the US didn't have an assault rifle so Germany wins in that regard. But the US used the M12 Shotgun, I don't think Germany used a shotgun in large quantities. Then he got into the usual Panzer V and Panzer VI is better than puny Sherman. I wonder why the they always forget the M26 Pershing?

[–]Mafaka322 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

They also say the same shit about USSR, but a few pictures with SS troops armed with trophy soviet SVTs and PPSHs is enough.

[–]alekzander01 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I love how they overestimate the amount of Tiger tanks available. There were only 1600! That's a minuscule amount!

[–]SuperSmith_ 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right, and how many of those could actually reach the fight?

[–]Repulsive_AnteaterCurtis LeMayMay was the real Hitler [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The funny thing about the Springfield/Kar98k thing is that it's arguably better than a German Mauser thanks to superior sights and the .30-06 round.

[–]AThrowawayAssholeHitler dindu nuffin 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Being in love with a military that lost badly. Not 'let's call it quits' lost but 'blasted back into the Stone Age' lost. Hell, we dropped two atomic bombs on Japan along with enough incendiaries to light the fucker up from space and the Japanese still had more to work with.

[–]DepthryActually, it's about ethics in Nazi apologia 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

How stubborn they can be, even when presented with evidence that contradicts their point of view.

[–]AstrangerR [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

As some have mentioned also, the empathy for the wehrmacht over the victims.

The claim that they were just defending their country pisses me off.

Wehraboos piss me off a little less than Holocaust deniers so when the wehrabooism sometimes goes in that direction it just boils my blood.

[–]DdCno1 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Mostly that it's a broken game of Whack-A-Mole: You are hitting them with facts, but they rarely disappear back into their holes and many more are constantly popping up everywhere.

[–]Mafaka322 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

What facts are the best? I need some help, because i encounter wehraboos a lot, and i need few simple facts that are the best.

[–]Repulsive_AnteaterCurtis LeMayMay was the real Hitler [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We compiled some materials to help with just this sort of thing: https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitWehraboosSay/comments/36t46p/lets_compile_wehraboo_mythbusting_materials/

[–]DdCno1 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

A copy of Timothy Snider's Bloodlands is a good cure. Just get them to read it. It's not exclusively about German war crimes - it's pretty much evenly divided between German and Soviet crimes, but it's well researched and comprehensive, while simultaneously examining both the big picture and covering the fate of individuals.

[–]TheThomasMRyan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Trying to vindicate the average German soldier in the eyes of history.

Why do they need to at all? Those average soldiers clean or not got to go home after the war. There was not a genocide of all German males in 1945. The vast majority, unless there was a lot of evidence of war crimes or a camp guard were given amnesty and simply went home. Most of the low profile murders and rapists returned to their families for the sake of moving on and rebuilding Europe.

[–]IronWorksWT [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Techwank and belief in superiority (not just tech, but leadership,etc, the general belief that Germans are the be-all and end-all of warfare) that basically goes along with the (disgusting) belief that the Germans were inherently superior to other races and nationalities solely by virtue of genetics.

The complete refusal to acknowledge such vital aspects of warfare as military engineering, military intelligence, logistics, naval warfare, operational and strategic warfare, and other areas where the Allies simply crapped all over the Germans.

Stupid double standards, like how mass produced StuG or MG42 are amazing but massed produced T-34 or Sherman are zerg rushing with inferior quality crap. Did I mention the most produced fighter was the BF-109 and not any Allied equivalent?

Cherry picking only the biggest/best (well, best on paper, anyway) units and weapons as representative of the German army - because every PzDiv had Ferdinands and Jagdpanthers attached, all SS units were "elite" troops, MP44 was standard issue to every infantryman, etc.

Failure to differentiate between the concept of total war (blockades, strategic bombing, etc) that targeted the enemy's war economy as an attempt to achieve a legitimate military objective (defeat of aggressive and mass murdering regimes of Germany and Japan) as opposed to genocide/mass rape/forced labor/etc that targeted enemy civilians (including entire cultural, religious, and national populations) as a racial/nationalistic policy that was viewed as an end unto itself independent of military objectives.