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[–]penlies 123ポイント124ポイント  (40子コメント)

I bought humane traps once because my daughter made me. So in wanders an entire fucking family of mice, mom, dad, babies... all stuck in there. So now i have this trap and what the fuck do you do with it? Let them go a a few houses down so they come right back? No I ended up just throwing them in a bucket of water cause I couldn't figure out what to do with them.

TLTR; just kill them.

[–]cady_heron[🍰] 23ポイント24ポイント  (39子コメント)

You can release them further away instead of killing them. If you're going to kill them, at least do it humanely.

[–]penlies 53ポイント54ポイント  (38子コメント)

They come back.

What is a humane way to kill something? Buy them a drink first?

[–]FraggleRoq 67ポイント68ポイント  (37子コメント)

Quickly, and without pain or distress.

[–]penlies 31ポイント32ポイント  (36子コメント)

First question is why? What difference does it make?

Second question, is there a way to die that isn't stressful? Maybe while getting a blow job or something but outside of that dieing pretty much sucks.

Third, how on earth can I gauge what would stress out a mouse? Is poison or a trap that snaps it's neck better or worse? How should I know that?

Is it the physical pain you are concerned with or the psychological? If psychological how do we know a mouse is self aware enough to have psychological torment or even understand pain the way a human does?

Now see how existential we have gotten over a fucking mouse, our time is better spent finding a cure to cancer and just killing the little fuckers.

[–]FraggleRoq 31ポイント32ポイント  (35子コメント)

First question is why? What difference does it make?

Would you rather be tourtured to death or die peacefully in your sleep? That's the difference.

Second question, is there a way to die that isn't stressful?

See option 2 above.

Third, how on earth can I gauge what would stress out a mouse?

Mice are mammals. It's a pretty safe assumption that mice will find certain situations stressful, as we would. Being set on fire, for example, would cause a mouse distress.

Is it the physical pain you are concerned with or the psychological?

Physical pain, of course.

Now see how existential we have gotten over a fucking mouse

You, got existential. Ain't no we about it.

[–]penlies -24ポイント-23ポイント  (34子コメント)

Either you get existential about it or you miss the substance of your argument. If I set a robot on fire would it be distressed? Is an embryo distressed when aborted? It's a mammal and it is a alive. If I measured all the signs that would indicate distress I am sure an embryo displays it while being aborted. So why are we okay with it. Could it be cognitive ability plays a role? Can we apply that same argument to a mouse?

Comparing me to a mouse is irrelevant, I can perceive a reality a mouse cannot. If you want to make moral judgements you should have a basis for them other than "it's cute."

[–]Crislips 29ポイント30ポイント  (33子コメント)

I feel like you're purposely ignoring the point. Both you and a mouse can experience pain. It is pretty much universally agreed that it is better not to experience pain than to experience pain. Killing a mouse in a way that does not cause it pain is more humane because experiencing uncontrollable pain is not pleasant. It doesn't matter if I'm about to die, I'd rather not experience pain, and I'd imagine the mouse probably feels the same way. If you try to argue that than you're just insane.

[–]penlies -47ポイント-46ポイント  (32子コメント)

Oh man so much... let's begin

Both you and a mouse can experience pain

Prove it. Prove my perception and the mouses perception of pain are the same. Does a trout experience pain? How about a worm? How about a bacteria, do you weep when you take antibiotics? When you kill a fly?

Killing a mouse in a way that does not cause it pain is more humane because experiencing uncontrollable pain is not pleasant.

Pleasant is a human construct, you are anthropomorphizing, you are projecting human perceptions onto a mouse. You need to prove the mouse can perceive things the way a human does.. good luck.

Is being eaten alive more humane? So you think trapping it, (whereby if we apply human emotions it would be greatly distressed), and then releasing it far away from it's home (still sticking with human emotions) to a field where it will likely be eaten alive by a bird or cat is somehow more humane than quickly snapping it's neck?

I'd rather not experience pain, and I'd imagine the mouse probably feels the same way

I imagine all sorts of things, it doesn't make them true. You are telling me you know how a mouse feels?!! Are you a mutant? You have super powers?

If you try to argue that than you're just insane.

You are the one who thinks they have super powers.

[–]MathTheUsername 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wow. You went from having a mildly unpopular opinion to straight up retarded so fast.

[–]TheSlimyDog 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Prove it.

I love how much of a bubble you live in acting like there isn't this thing called science that has proved it before multiple times. Don't act like such a smart-ass sometimes. "Prove it" isn't a good argument in most situations.

[–]VoodooShiv 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fish have been proven to experience at least some level of pain similar to our own.

Bacteria are nothing but a cell, and since cells do not have consciousness, they don't.

Most insects do not have nociceptors (a notable exception being, ironic since you mentioned flies, the fruit fly), so it is inconclusive that they feel pain. However, they most certainly feel. But whether or not they notice damage because of pain or some other complex physical state is not currently known.

[–]pulp_hero 1ポイント2ポイント  (12子コメント)

I mean, technically, I don't even know for sure that you experience pain. You could be a philosophical zombie, but I assume that since you respond to stimuli in a similar way to me, that you probably perceive pain in a similar way. So, you know, I wouldn't needlessly inflict it on you.

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