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[–]ChefBoyAreWeFucked 6ポイント7ポイント  (40子コメント)

Winston Churchill was a bit of a shitstain.

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[–]brian4r[🍰] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (38子コメント)

Love it. Find a hard decision a Prime Mister had to make during a time of war and he's instantly a shitstain.

[–]ChefBoyAreWeFucked 4ポイント5ポイント  (36子コメント)

"Should I export food from a region experiencing famine?" Is a hard decision?

Also, the sidebar quote comparing Palestinians to dogs?

My link was a data point, not a comprehensive explanation.

[–]brian4r[🍰] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (35子コメント)

I'm addressing your point solely. Let's concentrate just on that. We all don't live in a world of Unicorns and Rainbows. Churchhill made a decision to export the food and feed his troops so another mass murderer (sure you've heard of him, Hitler) would not continue his advance to overtake Europe as a whole. Many, many Indians may have died but the Allies were able to overcome the axis and many counties were able to remain their own countries and overcome their occupation. If Churchill is a 'shitstain' for making hard decisions during a time of war you obviously don't understand the gravity of the entire situation during that time period.

[–]ChefBoyAreWeFucked 3ポイント4ポイント  (34子コメント)

Okay. So address it. How is "Should I be exporting food from a region that is experiencing famine?" a difficult decision? And keep in mind, these exports were used to burnish stockpiles, not to fill a dire need.

He was also quoted as saying, "I hate Indians, they are a beastly people with a beastly religion." (Most likely referring to Hinduism)

It's also important to keep in mind that the extent of the Holocaust was unknown at this point. In fact, Churchill was at this point blaming Jewish persecution on Jews themselves (again, important to keep in mind that the extent of the Holocaust was not known).

It would be easy to ascribe it to the wickedness of the persecutors, but that does not fit all the facts. It exists even in lands, like Great Britain and the United States, where Jew and Gentile are equal in the eyes of the law, and where large numbers of Jews have found not only asylum, but opportunity. These facts must be faced in any analysis of anti-Semitism. They should be pondered especially by the Jews themselves.

For it may be that, unwittingly, they are inviting persecution — that they have been partly responsible for the antagonism from which they suffer.

The central fact which dominates the relations of Jew and non-Jew is that the Jew is "different." He looks different. He thinks differently. He has a different tradition and background. He refuses to be absorbed.

[–]brian4r[🍰] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (33子コメント)

I'm sure the stockpiles were used and helped the allies advance the European front. You're forming an opinion based on 1 fact that you read at that time. It's very easy to throw stones at a glass house and characterize Churchill as a 'shitstain' when you don't have the slightest clue of all the mixed components during that particular time. The Dutch had a pretty hard time of it in '44 as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_famine_of_1944

[–]ChefBoyAreWeFucked 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

You alternate between wanting to focus on one point and wanting to look at the big picture.

And to be fair, I only said he was a bit of a shitstain.

[–]Craznor 3ポイント4ポイント  (31子コメント)

I think the point he's trying to make is that for Churchill it probably wasn't a "difficult decision" it was much more of a "fuck those guys" type of thing.

He can be a brilliant war-time leader and a racist shitstain.

[–]brian4r[🍰] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (29子コメント)

That was the general consensus of many during that time period. Jews, Catholics, blacks, Asians and more were all looked down upon if not worse. To fuel the fire Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. If you call Churchhill a shitstian bacuase of his racists tendencies you may as well throw many other prominent fugues into that time frame mix.

[–]Craznor 1ポイント2ポイント  (28子コメント)

There's a huge difference between not liking or trusting those "different people" and consigning millions of them to death because "fuck those guys, I can't be bothered."

It's for that second reason that he was an ass napkin.

[–]brian4r[🍰] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (27子コメント)

Around in circles we go. My point was Churchill made a decision, all personal tendencies aside.

Save Europe, or save India. I do not believe the man made this decision because he 'hated' Indians. I believe he made his decision for the love of King and Country. You'd have to have some serious fucking hatred in you to 'fuck those guys.' Let's be real here.

[–]Pocahontas_Spaceman[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

How is letting people starve no a shitty thing to do?