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[–]Eskimosam 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is there a source to the claims regarding the studies done?

[–]copsgonnacop 39ポイント40ポイント  (34子コメント)

"The one thing I really hate about /r/mensrights is that all you guys do is spend time tearing down feminism rather than dealing with issues that really matter"

We get the post every fucking week here in one form or another. If people don't recognize that feminism is the enemy, as this post shows, then they don't know the purpose of men's rights.

[–]Bortasz 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Karren address there problem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2k86AaMfAY

[–]jb_trp 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

The irony is that not only is third wave feminism bad for the men's rights, it is bad for women as well. It does almost nothing to empower women, but actually disempowers them by giving them a mindset that they are victims of a patriarchal society--when the opposite is probably closer to the truth. Western society as a whole is very favorable towards women.

And if women are "victims" then men are taught that they are "oppressors" who should be ashamed of their gender and masculinity. Third wave feminism, in its current form, is a toxic worldview that poisons everything.

[–]the-tominator 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Exactly, they make some women weak-spirited by convincing them they're victims and are in need of help. This encourages some women not to try at things - falsely believing that they will fail anyway because of some patriarchal conspiracy. Most non-ethereal profecies are self-fulfilling if people believe them.

In reality, women can achieve as much or more than men in most areas if they try as hard. We do not live in a patriarchal society at all; there are very few remnants of the 'old boy's clubs' and there are actually as many or more 'old girl's clubs' running certain professions; there is no pay gap once hours worked is taken into account; a woman will usually get nothing but support when she tries to do something amazing; and finally that the 'I can't because [excuse]' attitude is the biggest barrier to success in any area, personal or social or professional, for both men and women of all races and sexualities. Not a grand conspiracy of any kind, just a lazy voice in your head putting you down.

The world is not against you women, and in the west it's even on your side, don't listen to feminists or identity politicians telling you that you cannot succeed - they are just trying to exploit your insecurities to make you loyal to them. You are capable and you are not weak-minded or stupid. Your choices in life are your own, you are not manipulated by men (the vast majority of men are not cunning or machiavellian enough to manipulate you) so make the right choices for your personality. You don't have to be part of the feminist hivemind and you'll be happier if you're not. And men, you are not evil. You are not responsible for things that happened before you were born and you're not responsible for some women's insecurities as mentioned above. Unless you are actually have done bad things, which is very unlikely, then you have no reason to feel guilt. You have no obligation to make every insecure feminist feel better by obeying their every absurd demand.

[–]RockFourFour 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The only people feminists hate more than men are women. I can't imagine the cognitive dissonance that goes on in someone's head if they claim to have any respect for women at all, but also identify as a feminist.

[–]wazzup987 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

i just read that on a guardian piece i nthe comments

[–]mindphuk 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

They still have not realized, that feminism does not equal "the good guys" and how many radical feminist lobbyists have infiltrated politics, media and universities.

[–]alclarkey 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

The 1-5, and Rape culture myths are legitimate concerns for men's rights. They are tools used to take them away. And feminists are a big reason why men are being oppressed. The "women are wonderful" effect is the other one. Frankly, before you can even start to roll back the laws and customs that oppress men, you have to stop the current train of new oppression, powered by feminists. They need to be torn down.

[–]GTCtry_another 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gendering the universal struggle between good and evil as "feminism vs. patriarchy" is nothing more and nothing less than the ultimate expression of the "womem are wonderful" effect.

[–]the-tominator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Absolutely. The old unfairness of chivalry and preference for women's safety and happiness should currently be less of a priority than stopping Feminism. We can get round to them afterwards, but they won't change if we leave them for a bit. Feminism is currently changing laws and society against men and should be the highest priority to stop. We can't repair a burned down building whilst there's still a fire and it's spreading to other buildings as we speak.

[–]GTCtry_another 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

And feminists say patriarchy is the enemy. Men as individuals only suffer when men as a class have too much power, as the theory goes. Hmm...sounds legit!

[–]Allevil669 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Feminists run governments and countries

That's not quite correct... It should read:

Feminists run ruin governments and countries

[–]Celda 7ポイント8ポイント  (9子コメント)

This is false right away - the CDC study doesn't have questions like "did someone leave flowers...".

A legit criticism would be to state that the CDC counts a woman who was the victim of attempted forced penetration as a rape victim (obviously that is false), whereas a man who was physically forced into vaginal sex is not a rape victim.

That is a legit criticism, but they just made something up.

[–]IlleFacitFinem 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'll admit, that example seems fallacious, but do you have access to the questions that were asked? I'm not trying to call you out, just curious as to if they released those questions online.

[–]Celda 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am very familiar with this CDC study in question.

http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Report2010-a.pdf

Nowhere does it talk about how "leaving flowers" etc. counts as rape.

However, rape is defined on page 17.

If a man tried to penetrate a woman but failed (she fought him off for example) she would be classified as a victim of "attempted forced penetration". That in turn, is counted as "rape", which is obviously false, since no sex happened, consensual or not.

A man being physically forced into vaginal sex (not just attempted, but actually happened) is classified as a victim of "made to penetrate". This is not counted as rape, even though the man was physically forced into sex.

[–]_Harkn_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I believe the study the statistic is based on did. I don't have a link, so take what I say with a grain of salt. I've heard the study asked questions like "have you ever had sex under the influence of a drug?", while never actually asking "have you ever been raped?" and then included those numbers. If that's true, then they've declared a lot of women to be rape victims that never actually said "yes, I've been raped". I'll see if I can find a link to the study or any source detailing the study.

Edit: Here's a link from time detailing the problems with the study. In fact, just googling "1 in 5 rape statistic" led me to a time article from 2 of the authors of the study, clarifying what the study actually concludes. http://time.com/2934500/1-in-5%E2%80%82campus-sexual-assault-statistic/ and http://time.com/3633903/campus-rape-1-in-5-sexual-assault-setting-record-straight/

[–]DavidByron2 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

The CDC does define rape in such a way that women can't rape men on the basis of feminist demands. The CDC does distort its own research to fit feminist ideology.

[–]Celda 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, women can rape men.

So long as they penetrate them (like with an object or something).

If a woman merely forces a man into vaginal sex (just as a man might do if he was the rapist rather than the victim), then she can't be a rapist.

[–]GoldenGonzo 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Do you have proof of that?

I can remake the image with actual facts if you have sources.

Take me abou 90 seconds in PS CS7.

[–]Celda 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Report2010-a.pdf

Rape is defined on page 17.

If a man tried to penetrate a woman but failed (she fought him off for example) she would be classified as a victim of "attempted forced penetration". That in turn, is counted as "rape", which is obviously false, since no sex happened, consensual or not.

A man being physically forced into vaginal sex (not just attempted, but actually happened) is classified as a victim of "made to penetrate". This is not counted as rape, even though the man was physically forced into sex.

And as it happens - equal amounts of men reported being made to penetrate (which is rape) in the last 12 months as women reported being raped in the last 12 months.

[–]GHGCottage 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Really can't blame anyone for believing it at this point.

[–]DavidByron2 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

And then feminists pretend they are "radicals" fighting the status quo, and even more ridiculously some people say they are socialist.

[–]wazzup987 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

But women are oppressed.

[–]carchamp1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The POTUS rattled off the "happy wife, happy life" trope a few months ago folks. The PRESIDENT OF THE FUCKING UNITED STATES, supposedly the most powerful man in the world, is a hapless bystander in our feminist world.

Let that sink in.

[–]MonkeyCB 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Politicians are full of shit, until quoting feminist statistics apparently. They're doing it to buy cheap votes, not because they actually believe 1 in 5 women are raped, or care that 1 in 5 women are "raped".

[–]portreddit -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

You all just don't get it.

[–]BadLuckBreton 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Thanks for the thought-provoking retort.

[–]portreddit -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not much you can say when it comes to ignorance.

[–]BadLuckBreton 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't get me wrong, I think this post is pure hyperbole, but I see why it was created as well. The feminist movement has developed wide spread influence and it is perfectly reasonable to think that some of the power it has is being used negatively. Many MRA's, egalitarians, and even feminists themselves are worried about the direction of the movement and what it is doing to our society. This post in particular is highlighting how sexual assault and violence is being propagandized as a women's-only issue. This is not only very false, but is causing a plethora of problems for many real people today and will continue do so unless something is done. The reason I commented was because responses like yours do nothing, but stop any meaningful discussions from being had. Thank you and enjoy your day.

[–]randomaccountblahbla -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't help but think that people are mistaking a useful ideology for a powerful ideology.

Do you really think that the people who run western governments are just stupid and easily influenced? what about the people behind the scenes, the bureaucrats and military leaders.

There's a fundamental mistake in the view of the world of most people - not just most people here but most people on the planet, and that's that IDEAS directly drive society and drive social change.

I'd argue that it's the other way around, that it's the material world, and changing technology and social relations that creates the bed in which certain ideas then flourish.

Feminism didn't just come about out of thin air and spread like some kind of intellectual cancer, nor was it cooked up by jews or the illuminati, rather it's an ideology that's arisen which justifies and reinforces what's already happening on the ground - the ongoing displacement of men from the workforce, advancing automation that renders men 'obsolete' and therefore 'in the way', the breakdown of the nuclear family, all of it.