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[–]sadeq786 8ポイント9ポイント  (16子コメント)

Excellent piece

[–]qeqkuf 5ポイント6ポイント  (15子コメント)

Do you believe that homosexuals that engage in sexual activities should be stoned to death?

[–]sadeq786 0ポイント1ポイント  (12子コメント)

If they do it lewdly in front of four witnesses, then the hudud punishment for this should be applied. Sure.

[–]qeqkuf 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

If there are no witnesses, then no stoning? What if they live openly as a gay couple, Like gay people usually do in the West (e.g., go to restaurant, walk holding hands, kiss)?

[–]sadeq786 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

AFAIK, that doesn't meet the criteria for stoning. According to my understanding, that would result in a tazir punishment which can be decided upon by the judge. Either way, that is unacceptable and sinful behavior in an Islamic society and it will certainly be discouraged vehemently.

[–]leopold_s 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

Does that mean all gay porn actors should be stoned to death?

[–]HulaguKan 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

See, that's the problem I have with Islam.

"Torturing someone to death is perfectly fime as long as the bureaucratic requirements are followed".

How on earth can anyone benok with this?

[–]qeqkuf 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

By the way, when you say "do it lewdly in front of four witnesses", you actually mean, if they are caught by four witnesses. Meaning, they could be hiding, but if they get caught by four witnesses they get stoned, correct?

[–]sadeq786 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

If all four testify that they saw penetration clearly, then yes.

[–]acct00 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do you believe that leptons are compound particles?

[–]qeqkuf 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hahah, I'm I correct to interpret your question as saying that my question has nothing to do with the article? I think it is somewhat related to the article. The article itself is a bit philosophical, and I was wondering what were the practical, real-world implications for homosexuals if Islam was the law of the land. After all, the purpose of the article was to help the reader see Islam's position in a more compelling light, that the position is not grounded in "sheer hate, bigotry, prudery, etc." The author rejects the idea that Islam is oppressive to homosexuals, based on philosophical arguments. But, is it true that Islam commands homosexuals to be killed by stoning or crucifixion?. For me, it would be a very interesting turn of events if I'm talking with someone discussing very deep philosophical ideas, to then conclude with, "Oh yeah, stone the sodomites".