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[–]theballinist 894ポイント895ポイント  (204子コメント)

Dan Savage interviewed the creator of Ashley Madison on Savage Love and it was actually pretty interesting. He was completely able to remove himself of any personal accountability because it was up to the user to decide how they used the site.

[–]GameofCheese 787ポイント788ポイント  (84子コメント)

Yeah, I have no issue with the site.

That's not why they were hacked though, it's because they offered a more expensive premium service to completely delete all your information from their server including credit card info, and they were charging for it without really scrubbing the info. That's the moral issue that they were hacked for.

[–]waawftutki 88ポイント89ポイント  (18子コメント)

they offered a more expensive premium service to completely delete all your information from their server including credit card info

That's truly what the uproar should be about, but somehow people forgot all about the whole "privacy" thing they fought for barely a year ago, and now it's perfectly alright to have a ton of people's personal information and communications let out in the open.

Because I guess that if something is generally seen as morally "wrong", privacy can just go out the window...

[–]exadrid 146ポイント147ポイント  (48子コメント)

That's interesting, do you have a source on that?

[–]GameofCheese 201ポイント202ポイント  (44子コメント)

Well, I watched it live on CNN when they were interviewing a "former hacker", so no... I don't have a decent source to give you. I only trust maybe 50% of what I hear on major news networks, so I could be totally wrong. Lol.

Edit: Found this article, claiming to know the reasons...

http://www.vox.com/2015/7/20/9007039/ashley-madison-hack-explained

[–]Turdferguson313 168ポイント169ポイント  (29子コメント)

Who is this 4 chan?

[–]trizzant 83ポイント84ポイント  (26子コメント)

He worked for Sony and leaked Taylor Swift's tits on facebook

[–]nitiger 76ポイント77ポイント  (22子コメント)

Source on Swift's tits?

[–]wookiepedia 163ポイント164ポイント  (12子コメント)

Six to eight inches above her belly button. Look at a picture and you'll see them right there, hiding in plain sight.

[–]lady_blue_shanghai 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm assuming /u/trizzant is talking about one or both of these images (obviously nsfw).

(1)

(2)

Both of them are years old and are not her.

[–]devildocjames 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

This guy is asking the real questions.

[–]chikitiki 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Google the fappening.

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    [–]mrjderp 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Is he the one refusing to remove Beyonce's picture?

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      [–]SpaghettiShaq 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      He's that guy from Wikileaks I think, who leaked all the NSA stuff.

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        [–]azerbijean 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Did you just own not having a credible source? I didn't know we could do that.

        [–]GameofCheese 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Well, I figured "CNN" was credible enough for the masses, but my advice... Base your conclusions on several different news organizations... Not just one.

        [–]not-a-f-given 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Thank you for confirming that CNN is not a legitimate source. Fox News is worse though

        [–]destructor_rph 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

        cnn
        Can we have a good source?

        [–]h3lblad3 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Like who? You can't trust CNN, MSNBC, Fox, WSJ, or pretty much any other place.

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          [–]M-Alice 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

          npr reported on it this morning/

          [–]piri_piri_pintade 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Ars ran a story on this: http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/07/cheaters-hook-up-site-ashley-madison-makes-account-deletion-confusing/

          [–]Slev23 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Krebs on security has been pretty good about this story if you're interested.

          [–]Phallendoor 10ポイント11ポイント  (7子コメント)

          So why steal user information? Why not steal information of the admins/representatives of that company? Seems like some pretty fucked up logic to me, or they aren't doing it for the publicized reason.

          Sounds more like a personal agenda on the part of the hackers. Perhaps one of them went through an affair personally or was affected by one.

          [–]sexahol 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

          So they threaten to reveal the information that they're pretending to value? K..

          [–]DontStopRereading[🍰] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          That's the moral issue that they were hacked for.

          But publishing everything would punish the customers who thought that the company was deleting their info instead of the company who lied about deleting the info.

          [–]Charmingdarling 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          One of their employees did an AMA and said that they do delete all their info when they pay for their information to be deleted but people could have alternate accounts. I'd link the AMA but im on moble can anyone help me out?

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            [–]PM_ME_YOUR_EXWIFE 168ポイント169ポイント  (24子コメント)

            Their slogan is "Life is short. Have an affair." OK, sure it is up to the user to decide how they use the site but its intended purpose couldn't be more clear.

            [–]Heifsin85 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Ok, PM_ME_YOUR-EXWIFE.

            [–]hammertits 64ポイント65ポイント  (7子コメント)

            An "affair" could mean a great party!

            [–]dittbub 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Or just your paperwork.

            [–]tired1 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Or being a wealthy business man and stealing a famous painting for fun.

            [–]dafuq453 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Life is short. Get your affairs in order.

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              [–]Footballvike81 27ポイント28ポイント  (11子コメント)

              Does the guy that makes your meth feel bad? Nah. Walter didn't give a fuck about the users. He knew there was a demand for the product and if someone was going to get rich as fuck for it, it might as well be him.

              [–]seabass4507 17ポイント18ポイント  (5子コメント)

              Meth is an inanimate substance, it has no feelings, nobody can make my meth feel bad.

              [–]Solid_Freakin_Snake 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Bullshit. My meth cries every time I smoke it.

              [–]TouchDownBurrito 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

              No, see, it's just turning back into water when you put fire to it. It's called ice for a reason, duh.

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                [–]tonyjefferson 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Walters meth is always feelin' blue.

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                  [–]Red_Oktoberfest 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  A better example would be the families of the people his stuff went to.

                  [–]SlapMyCHOP 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Huh? Walter always insisted on making a superior product.

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                      [–]TooSunny 94ポイント95ポイント  (56子コメント)

                      True, they're not putting a gun to anyone's head, but they do explicitly market their site for people already in a relationship.

                      If you market a "baby-smashing-mallet" and someone uses it to smash babies, you can't completely dissolve yourself of responsibility.

                      [–]nogodsorkings1 38ポイント39ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      dissolve yourself of responsibility

                      [–]Tekmo 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      For people wondering, the correct phrase is "absolve yourself of responsibility"

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                        [–]mostly_sarcastic 39ポイント40ポイント  (6子コメント)

                        Instructions unclear. Smash Mouth.

                        [–]dingman58 14ポイント15ポイント  (10子コメント)

                        How are baby smashing mallets any different than regular mallets?

                        [–]Solid_Freakin_Snake 23ポイント24ポイント  (6子コメント)

                        They're heavier. To make sure you really crush that baby flat.

                        [–]jacobjanzen 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                        I think what you want is a deadblow. It has a weight in it so when it hits there's no bounce back all the energy is transferred.

                        [–]soberkangaroo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Wider surface area too

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                          [–]coupland 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          I ask myself the same thing every time I'm in the mallet-aisle. I just can't justify the difference in price. :(

                          [–]moleratical 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          They are marketed to baby smashers, duh...

                          [–]Manami_Tamura 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          To play devils advocate here for a moment.

                          Before Ashley Madison cheaters would still cheat, they would just go onto regular dating sites and just pose as someone single. People were having issues with meeting and dating jerks then finding out they were married.

                          While this still happens it does today it does so at a lesser extent because this site exists to hook up scumbags with other scumbags, instead of innocent bystanders.

                          [–]fyberoptyk 5ポイント6ポイント  (31子コメント)

                          I'm still not sure what part of that is their fault.

                          There are two people in the relationship, A and B. No-one else. When A decides to cheat on B with C, the means they choose to do so doesn't magically gain some blame. If you're gonna blame the site, you may as well blame the dealership that sold him the car, the store he bought condoms at, the restaurant they went to, the hotel they ended up at.

                          That's the point. There was NO coercion of any kind at any time. These are consenting adults making informed decisions and they don't get to shift any of the blame.

                          [–]CamNewtonsLaw 22ポイント23ポイント  (25子コメント)

                          Yeah, but what car dealership has the slogan, "life is short, drive to meet someone for an affair?"

                          Or what restaurant has "life is short, treat your mistress to dinner?"

                          No, the point of Ashley Madison is to facilitate people cheating on spouses. I'm not saying it should be illegal, but the guy who made is is objectively a piece of shit. There's no argument against that.

                          [–]Chantottie 5ポイント6ポイント  (22子コメント)

                          Is anyone who provides a supply for a demand a piece of shit then? It's easier to shift blame onto a scapegoat than to reflect on ourselves, the culture, and realize there must be something wrong with our marriages if so many people are "cheating". I don't think Ashley Madison (the website) can be held responsible for cheating spouses anymore than a parking lot or a dark alley can be held responsible for drug deals.

                          [–]FranzJosephWannabe 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          Is anyone who provides a supply for a demand a piece of shit then?

                          No, and I don't think anyone is saying that they are. What matters is what demand you are providing the supply for. If there is demand for bananas and you grow bananas, then great! If there is demand for biological weapons to be used in crowded subways and you supply biological weapons, then you're a piece of shit. Not everything in life exists in an economics text book, and sometimes you just have to acknowledge that some services are objectively shitty.

                          [–]Lucky_leprechaun 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                          It depends on what is being demanded/supplied. There's a demand for all kinds of horrifying shit in the world of porn, if someone supplies it you're damn right they're culpable.

                          [–]VGramarye 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

                          They aren't the parking lot in this scenario. They're the drug dealers/manufacturers. They very much deserve part of the blame even if the cheaters would have done so anyway.

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                              [–]scrubzhero 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              You wouldn't arrest a guy for delivering drugs

                              [–]Aikistan 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              I wouldn't, but then I'm not a LEO. Also, I might want some drugs someday.

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                                  [–]Blahblahblahinternet 39ポイント40ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                  Wait what?

                                  Am I the only one who thinks this doesn't make sense.

                                  [–]slyweazal 21ポイント22ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                  It's just mental gymnastics to hide from their guilt. They know what they're doing is wrong.

                                  Most people legitimately fell in love/liked the person they're with. Cheating's one of the scummiest things you can do because it's never accidental. A willful betrayal of the person who trusts you most.

                                  Might as well stab your Mom in the fucking back.

                                  [–]misogynist001 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                  No mental gymnastics, his statements are based in capitalism. If people are going to cheat they absolutely will do it without a website, and if he didn't run the "cheaters website" someone else would. He's just the one cashing in on what people would do anyways.

                                  [–]Lord_of_Aces 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                  And then that somebody else would be the piece of shit person. What's your point? He made a smart business decision, but a shitty moral decision.

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                                    [–]Shaquarington_Bithus 22ポイント23ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                    no. its stupid logic, but that is reddit's favorite kind so you will be downvoted.

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                                      [–]Mike9797 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                      Dan Savage has one of the best Dear Abby sections in all the papers I have ever read. Some interesting stuff in there sometimes.

                                      Edit: missed a word, thank you kind user.

                                      [–]HurricaneSandyHook 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      He has done a bunch of interviews. I'm sure the people here will love his tv interview with Sean Hannity.

                                      [–]Kng_Wasabi 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      link?

                                      [–]Riverrun_past_eve 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      ...never mind that people's rationalizations and deceptions were facilitated by the service he created

                                      [–]fyberoptyk 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      He was not offering drugs. He was not addicting anyone. Hell, it isn't even blackmail, though it may be extortion.

                                      Assholes are gonna be assholes and his site not existing wouldn't have stopped one single cheater from getting what they wanted, as there is nothing stopping consenting adults from finding sex if that's what they're after.

                                      [–]Lucky_leprechaun 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      But it's helping them find each other and promising secrecy. They're being an accomplice to the cheating.

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                                          [–]Rance_Geodes 302ポイント303ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                          No fair, that's cheating!

                                          [–]PmMeYourWhatever 61ポイント62ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                          They should really try to act more like adulterers.

                                          [–]Vicky314 25ポイント26ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                          This is becoming a bigger affair than I anticipated.

                                          [–]TalShar 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                          They really should've remained more faithful to their security procedures.

                                          [–]Day_Rider 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                          They should have had someone on the side working on that.

                                          [–]xisytenin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Extra extra marital

                                          [–]josh6499[S] 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                          No affair!

                                          [–]unwittynamehere 145ポイント146ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                          I had an AM account many years ago, like I've had a number of other personals accounts. I've never sent a message, nor responded to anything I may have gotten with any of these. I didn't even bother with filling out the profile itself, or if I did it was all false information.

                                          These kinds of things were an interesting form of people watching for me. To see how people advertise themselves when no one's looking or when they're hopeful for some kind of connection.

                                          What entertained me the most with AM, were the amount of women that came across that just didn't fit the AM profile. These were women that were not looking for an affair, sugar daddy, or anything like that. They were treating AM like OKCupid, Match, or something similar and looking for a monogamous relationship.

                                          They'd have lines saying they don't want to be used or part of some infidelity.

                                          Many times I wanted to reach out and ask, "Why are you on a site that's completely based on having an affair, looking for a guy to grow old with?"

                                          Of course, it could have all been an act or some part of their fantasy. They want to come off as the woman that's innocent and incorruptible and enjoy the game in having the guy "convince" them to go against the morals they've put forth.

                                          That's also assuming they weren't generic, generated profiles meant to fish people and make the site look busy in the first place.

                                          [–]PedroIsWatching 143ポイント144ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                          So basically the same people that write NO HOOKUPS! on their Tinder profile

                                          [–]IllustratesYourShit 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          It absolves them of responsibility. They aren't "knowingly" being a part of infidelity, and as for "No hookups" they actually do want to have hookups, but saying no hookups means if they don't feel like following through they can fall back on what they said earlier.

                                          [–]erebus91 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                          Hey, you can really get a good feel for someone's personality based off 6 facebook photos and a <50 word bio.

                                          [–]jmorlin 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          To be fair if you have multiple selfies with duckface and a Marilyn Monroe quote as your bio then that tells me all I need to know.

                                          [–]SquishyDelishy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Right? After the 0.38 seconds it took me to swipe right, I decided I want to enter a committed monogamous relationship with you because your profile says "No hookups."

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                                            [–]JProllz 38ポイント39ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                            To see how people advertise themselves when no one's looking

                                            The whole "give someone a mask and they will tell you the truth" thing?

                                            [–]unwittynamehere 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            Pretty much. It was interesting for a while, but people become predictable in these situations and I get bored.

                                            I never gave them money or card info. I would put in my age and that I was a male seeking females since that's pretty basic info. I'd use an email account I use for all junk purposes.

                                            I'd only look at the things that got sent to my inbox from time to time. Since I didn't give much info, I'm sure what I got was a poor sample to go by, but it was enough to see a variety of responses.

                                            Just those ones that were looking for something deep and meaningful... Of course, there's many reasons why they'd advertise that way, but taking it on the surface always made me laugh a little.

                                            It's like when you see someone on Facebook post some ridiculous nonsense about how they hate stupid people and they need to educate themselves. All the while, everything is misspelled and grammar is a mess, and they're becoming a perfect example of everything they just said they hate.

                                            Sometimes you just want to reach out and hand them a mirror, but you know it's not going to do anything.

                                            [–]free_reddit 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            I might just be a little drunk but I like reading your writing. The part about reaching out and giving them a mirror was poignant.

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                                              [–]MrBullyGoat 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              These were women that were not looking for an affair, sugar daddy, or anything like that.

                                              It might have been fake accounts scraped from other dating sites or a woman that doesn't want to come off as a "slut" in case someone she knew saw it.

                                              [–]Meebert 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                              They could also be people in shitty relationships looking for a better pace start, while cheating on their shitty "SO".

                                              [–]ukiyoe 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              Too Good to Leave, Too Bad to Stay

                                              [–]Meebert 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Also, why live on your own when you can just milk your SO for resources until you can find something better?

                                              [–]boodabomb 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              If they're looking for a decent relationship... They should probably... well... not go to Ashley Maddison

                                              [–]Meebert 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Why not both? Using Ashley Madison makes it easier to give the back-round knowledge that you probably can't take them back to your place any time soon, where on a traditional site people might not take that easily. Edit: a word

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                                                [–]gt35r 208ポイント209ポイント  (40子コメント)

                                                Whether or not you agree or disagree with the site, releasing credit card and personal info is completely against the law.

                                                [–]xDangermouse 36ポイント37ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                ITT: 2 wrongs make a right

                                                [–]SMc-Twelve 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                Reddit always supports it when bad people doing sneaky things they shouldn't have been doing get a spotlight shown on them.

                                                Snowden, Assange, etc. Maybe if people didn't want others to catch them doing sneaky, immoral things, they shouldn't have been doing sneaky, immoral things to begin with.

                                                Edit: this was ineloquent; I meant to say that these hackers shining a light on both AM's unethical delete service (and the immoral behavior of the users) is what is being supported, much like how Snowden and Assange are supported.

                                                [–]LongUsernamesAreForb 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                Out of curiosity, are you suggesting Snowden and the likes were the ones being revealed, or the ones revealing? I could see arguments for either.

                                                [–]SMc-Twelve 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                The ones doing the revealing.

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                                                    [–]Skyblacker 49ポイント50ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                    Thank you for pointing that out. Whatever you think of cheating, it's not illegal, and identity theft is.

                                                    [–]diamond 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    I don't think anyone disagrees with that.

                                                    I think the people who hacked AM need to be found and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. What they did is blatantly illegal and morally reprehensible.

                                                    But that doesn't mean I have any sympathy for the people who use the site.

                                                    [–]owlbeyourfriend 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    I honestly have a friend who is backing the hackers like whoa. I don't know for sure, but thinking she knew someone that was hurt (or was hurt herself) by a cheater.

                                                    She called all cheaters scum and basically said you couldn't trust a cheater.

                                                    It was hard for me, because while I would never cheat (for multiple reasons) and don't agree with the decision to cheat, I can understand what steps led people to that decision.

                                                    If this was strictly a sex-based site (like Pornhub, or something of that nature) releasing names and user preferences, people would be outraged. But a lot are responding with "cheaters lose their right to privacy" and seeing it from a strictly black/white perspective.

                                                    [–]SoldierOf4Chan 70ポイント71ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                    They're a hacking team. Hacking is completely against the law.

                                                    [–]Banaam 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    You're thinking cracking, and then only when it's malicious, many companies pay for found exploits that they then repair. White, gray, and black hat I think are the different methods.

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                                                      [–]wslaxmiddy 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                      Duh.

                                                      [–]waawftutki 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      Well, yes, "duh", but look at the top comments on all the threads about this... People just lose all form of common sense when something they don't agree with gets in trouble.

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                                                        [–]deka01 80ポイント81ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                        Its also used by couples into cuckolding or in open relationships and stuff like that, just because it was made for something doesn't mean it will always be used for just that one thing.

                                                        [–]Innalibra 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                        I can see it as quite a useful thing for people looking for no-strings hookups with experienced partners

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                                                          [–]Friday_The_13th 108ポイント109ポイント  (26子コメント)

                                                          They won't find any sympathy from most people.

                                                          I was very surprised to learn that the site had 37 million members, that seems like an insanely high number to me.

                                                          [–]crazymonkeyfish 94ポイント95ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                          I wouldnt be surprised if half those are fake accounts or that many people use the site are single looking to hook up with a married person for extra thrill

                                                          [–]howdareyou 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          or just horny people fapping and browsing. sending messages getting off on the thought of cheating but never actually having any intention of meeting anyone.

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                                                            [–]ukiyoe 50ポイント51ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                            Food for thought.

                                                            According to nationally representative survey data, in the United States 20 to 40 percent of heterosexual married men and 25 percent of heterosexual married women will have at least one extramarital affair during their lifetime, and 2 to 4 percent of all married people are willing to tell survey researchers that they’ve had an affair in the past year.

                                                            In nonmarried but “committed” couples there is a 70 percent incidence of cheating. In addition, 60 percent of men and 53 percent of women confess that they’ve engaged in “mate poaching” (trying to seduce a person out of a committed relationship).

                                                            However...

                                                            According to a recent survey of attitudes about extramarital affairs in forty different nations, 84 percent of people in the United States said infidelity was “morally unacceptable.” Another poll, from Gallup, found that infidelity is more universally disapproved of than polygamy, animal cloning, and suicide.

                                                            Meanwhile...

                                                            In France most people have come to expect that their political leaders will have affairs, at minimum, and often an entire second family too. When François Mitterrand was president, his mistress Anne Pingeot, and their daughter, Mazarine Pingeot, would often visit him at the Élysée Palace, despite the fact that he had a wife and children. At Mitterrand’s funeral in 1996, his second family sat alongside his first family.

                                                            Source: Modern Romance by Aziz Ansari

                                                            [–]personalcheesecake 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            This fucking book comes out of left field.... what?? Okay, I'm interested..

                                                            The audio reading is awesome.

                                                            [–]pioneer2 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                            The source is a Aziz Ansari, really? I'm supposed to find that reassuring? Why not link to the actual places where he pulled those stats?

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                                                              [–]DangerDamage 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              They're mostly fake, generated ones to keep the site "active"

                                                              [–]BumblerBurger 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              Off-topic, I know, but I saw your name and thought "hacking victims" took on a different meaning.

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                                                                [–]Kiroway66 24ポイント25ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                Am I the only one that doesn't know what this company sells?

                                                                [–]abqkat 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                It's an online dating (hookup?) site that facilitates affairs and was founded on that premise. Their tagline is "Life is short. Have an affair."

                                                                [–]Chantottie 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                Nope. I have no idea what's going on either. From the comments, I gather the site is like a dating site except has a reputation as a site where married people go with the intention of "cheating" on their spouse. Reddit seems to ignore the fact that lots of relationships aren't monogamous, and it seems this site was popular among poly-amorous couples or those with other fetishes that are generally viewed as "deviant" when compared to regular culture.

                                                                Again, I really have no idea, but reading between the lines it seems to be a shady dating site. Likely popular among sexual "deviants" and thus had a bad reputation. No one is sorry for the people who had their privacy infiltrated and their credit info stolen because they are dirty, filthy "cheaters." Apparently Reddit is liberal in everything except it's views on sexuality -- just below this comment cheaters are compared to pedophiles. Seems extreme and narrow-minded but I know I'm unlikely to sway anyone's mind once the pitchforks are out.

                                                                [–]SquishyDelishy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                Their motto is "Life is short, have an affair." It's a secrative cheating website that is free, but makes you pay to delete your data 😐

                                                                Edit:

                                                                How did you people not see an ad for this site while watching porn?

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                                                                  [–]VersaceTupperware 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                  Is this even how you use this meme

                                                                  [–]kkingprior 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                  No. While I wanted to upvote the idea they were trying to convey, I had to downvote for improper use of meme.

                                                                  [–]daisyifudo 36ポイント37ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                  lol, fucking hypocrites

                                                                  [–]kemar7856 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  wow ashley madision charges $20 to delete your own data

                                                                  [–]Demoserth 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                  Being unfaithful and hacking this information are both unethical, but being unfaithful isn't illegal. No one has any right to this information and we shouldn't "be ok with it" just because we don't condone the actions of the people being exposed. You don't cherry pick privacy protection.

                                                                  [–]me--ow 168ポイント169ポイント  (124子コメント)

                                                                  My mom had an affair on my dad whose been dying of cancer for the past several years. We caught her based off an intuition I had, but mostly it was because my brother had bugged her phone and put a tracker on her car. I told him to check it in a few hours because she claimed to be going up north. Sure enough, he found her at a hotel.

                                                                  Her response was basically along the lines of this: I know what I did was wrong, but your brother never should have bugged my phone - that's illegal! She also went on to talk about how abusive my dad had been, which I know there is some truth to when an angry man fears death and doesn't know how to handle it.

                                                                  The worst part is, I'm pretty sure almost 2 years later and she is still having the affair. It makes me sick to my stomach everyday, but I've chosen to stay with my dad and help him until the end. I love them both so much, and it kills me to see people suffering so needlessly.

                                                                  [–]CykoTom 133ポイント134ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                  did your dad ask you to find out? Otherwise I wouldn't go poking around while my dad died of cancer honestly.

                                                                  [–]me--ow 72ポイント73ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                  Yea someone left a message on our answering machine threatening to tell me dad. Don't know who. So she had to tell him. I came home the day it happened. He agreed to take her back after banishing her for a week. It's really fucked up

                                                                  [–]TDarkShadow 47ポイント48ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                  Not really. He fears his life and just can't let his everlasting love vanish. My heart and mind is with your dad and you and I hope whatever treatment he gets, will pull him through.

                                                                  [–]xisytenin 36ポイント37ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                  I hope he pulls through, gets a divorce, and then wins the lottery.

                                                                  [–]WoodTrophy 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                  In that order. Wouldn't want the wife getting her 50%

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                                                                    [–]GameofCheese 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                    I'm so sorry for what you are going through. That is horrible on so many levels.

                                                                    [–]me--ow 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                    Thanks man. It's been tough but we're all stronger from it

                                                                    [–]_Bobbin 43ポイント44ポイント  (23子コメント)

                                                                    Your mom had valid points. I agree with you that cheating is bad, but so are unlawful bugging and emotionally and/or physically abusive relationships.

                                                                    [–]tempest_87 25ポイント26ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                    Two wrongs don't make a right, and whatnot.

                                                                    [–]Banshee90 18ポイント19ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                    well having consensual sex isn't illegal (immoral to some)

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                                                                      [–]pillboxlover 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      Hey I'm really sorry to hear what you've been going through, it must be awful. Hope you stay strong.

                                                                      [–]muffinstuffins 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                      I absolutely hate that mentality. Just found out my (now ex) boyfriend of 6 years has been messaging escorts and possibly meeting up with them for the past year. He actually had the balls to try to turn it on me for checking his Google activity and finding out.

                                                                      [–]mitre991 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                      I have much more sympathy for the wife of an abuser dying of cancer than those that would bug her phone, honestly.

                                                                      [–]SteveEsquire 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                      Are you Walter Jr.?

                                                                      On a serious note, that really does show a lot of similarities to Breaking Bad. People get afraid when something like cancer shows up. They start acting different, just like everyone does when they're afraid. If you're holding up a snake to someone afraid of snakes, expect to be yelled at and possibly even hit. Fear is powerful. But cheating isn't the answer to fear. You have to be strong and "support the hell out of 'em" (sorry for the BB quote...). Best wishes for your dad. Hopefully he keeps going and maybe something amazing will happen. But yeah, stay with him no matter what, he'll need you through this fight. You sound like a great son/daughter for him, I'm sure he appreciates your company more than he could ever show.

                                                                      [–]reillyr 17ポイント18ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                      Am I the only one that thinks it's none of your business what your mom chooses to do? That is solely between your dad and mom.

                                                                      [–]99shadow25 33ポイント34ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                      Why? If something unjust is happening to your own father should you not intervene?

                                                                      [–]Sarahsmilz 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      No you are not. I am kind of grossed out by an adult being so intrusive in their parents life.

                                                                      [–]Dark_Knight_Reddits 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      Absolutely. But it would definitely effect my relationship with whoever was cheating and I could see myself having a hard time trusting them ever again. If they were willing to betray their spouse, why would I be any different? However they handle their relationship after it comes out is completely up to them. They may choose to listen what I had to say, but whether I think they should get a divorce is basically irrelevant. But I know it would make me incredibly hurt and angry, and I'm not even the one cheated on. So even though it started with their relationship, it would effect mine with them.

                                                                      And if I found out or had my suspicions I'd let the other parent know. It's not something to be taken lightly, so I'd want to have some good evidence before I risked wrecking their marriage. Both my parents would want to know and be upset if I didn't say anything and they found out. If someone was on their deathbed though like OP's, there's a good chance I wouldn't say anything because I wouldn't want my parent's last days on this earth dealing with that. I don't know if I'd let the person cheating know I know. I'd probably have to ignore them. My anger could cause me to say something if I saw them. If the relationship is over fine, but the person not being able to wait until their spouse passes away and betrays them would make me livid. Thankfully I haven't had to make that decision.

                                                                      Edit: I'm incredibly close with my family. It was common when having a argument with my father/mother, I would ask the other for their opinion on how to handle it. And as I grew up and became an adult, my parents would do the same thing if they were going through some issues as well.

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                                                                        [–]Procean 16ポイント17ポイント  (32子コメント)

                                                                        My mom had an affair on my dad whose been dying of cancer for the past several years.

                                                                        I dunno, if I were dying of cancer, given the effect of such, I'd kind of give my spouse an 'ok' on such things. When I'm medically unable to do my duties as a spouse for years at a time, I think it's kind of cruel to enforce celibacy upon my spouse as a result.

                                                                        Having seen multiple cases in my own family of one spouse being medically degenerating for years at a time, I think there is a valid point in allowing the healthy spouse to live a life.

                                                                        [–]InsertImagination 35ポイント36ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                        I could see why you would take that point of view, but I guess I'm a bit selfish. When I'm dead, I hope my SO finds someone who loves them and cares for even better than I have. But not until I'm dead damn it.

                                                                        [–]me--ow 73ポイント74ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                                        My dad isn't dead yet. He can still walk with a walker. It was only maybe 3 years ago he only only had a little limp. I doubt his dick was limp. Isn't marriage supposed to be in sickness and good health?

                                                                        [–]the_termites 49ポイント50ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                        Isn't marriage also supposed to be "don't abuse your spouse"?

                                                                        [–]sAlander4 6ポイント7ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                        So you're defending the wife's cheating? Or just stating that to show they were both wrong?

                                                                        [–]jbondyoda 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                        How is that connected?

                                                                        [–]the_termites 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                        Ah, you probably didn't catch the part in meow's original post where he said he confronted his mom and she told him how his dad was being abusive. It was towards the end and he didn't expand on what that meant. Since the guy is using a walker I'm assuming it's verbal/emotional abuse.

                                                                        My dad is the same way to my mom. I hope she's cheating on him.

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                                                                          [–]geekygirl23 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          No idea on your exact situation but I agree with /u/Procean. If I were out of the game in that regard then I'd give my blessing anyhow.

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                                                                            [–]greg19735 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            Reddit does not do well in areas of grey. Especially when one person definitely did do something wrong.

                                                                            THe mom cheated. That's wrong. On the other hand I feel for the mom too.

                                                                            My own mother has terminal cancer right now. She's like 70 lbs and frail. She can't really move much and tbh, she smells like people do when they're in a hospital. If my dad was cheating on her, i'd be annoyed but i'd understand. She has been his rock for 40 years, now when he needs support as she gets sick, he can't turn to her. You can't vent or complain or talk about your spouse being sick to your spouse. He certainly can't turn towards her physically. So if he found someone else to help him through this time, i'd understand. He better keep it a fucking secret though.

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                                                                              [–]silverman96 11ポイント12ポイント  (27子コメント)

                                                                              As horrible as this was for you; what if you hadn't found anything and she was completely innocent?

                                                                              This is an issue that people have with government watchdogs all the time. Don't want the government watching your computer? Well you shouldn't have anything to hide!

                                                                              I don't mean to devalue your experience at all it just raises that moral question.

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                                                                                [–]ajiav 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                I don't endorse infidelity by any means but I don't find moral superiority in vigilantism, if that's what was behind this.

                                                                                [–]CreepyJon 44ポイント45ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                This is hilarious! All these social warriors on here lusting over the "terrible people" on that site. I'm a regular, I used a prepaid card and to anyone named Johnny Bagadonuts I apologize. If you think it's all men, you're wrong. I worry about the women I've seen on there. Several were in bad relationships. When their data comes out, some of them could be in serious physical trouble. That's not as fun to think about as some jerk guy cheating on his wife gettin' his comeuppances. These are families about to be torn apart and with no idea what they really did or didn't do. Dozens of women talked to me but, they didn't go through with a meeting. They just wanted the attention. Doesn't matter though, they'll be lumped in with the rest. Everyone has a story, everyone has moments of weakness. These hackers think they're doing something great and people are soooo self righteous that they applaud them. Imagine for a moment you look up the names and your dad, mom, sister, brother, WIFE, HUSBAND are on there. When you see that relationship destroyed never knowing if that person really went through with anything will you still be jumping for joy at your insatiable thirst for some sort of perverted justice?

                                                                                [–]dam072000 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                Reminds me of Dan Carlin's recent Common Sense where he was talking about a 9/11 of hacking. I wonder how many people that legitimately never used the site are going to be implicated as having had used it.

                                                                                [–]Motuu 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                Okay, I'll do it. I'll be the one who defends Ashley Madison ("AM"). I know several people who do it and they all have different reasons.

                                                                                First and foremost, a lot of couples are in open marriages where each person is free to have sexual relationships with other people. AM is a fantastic place to meet other people who are in open marriages who are also looking to branch out sexually. It's a good way of targeting your search so that you don't wind up sleeping with someone who is looking to turn a little fling into a serious, monogamous, relationship. You're far less likely to have a person you meet on AM enraged because you won't leave your spouse and elope with them.

                                                                                Second, marriages can be complicated, especially when there are kids and houses involved. If you're one of those people sitting there saying, "I never think about any woman other than my wife and when I'm not thinking about my wife, I'm thinking about my kids or my lawn" then my hat's off to you. Some people need more than that. They love their significant other and they love their children and the life that they have built together, but if that is all they experience, it begins to eat at them. Day by day, poison and resentment build in their mind as that beautiful house in the suburbs becomes an emasculating prison. I've seen bitter, resentful, men turn into the kindest, happiest, most loving and supportive fathers and husbands all because they started getting a little extra on the side. Is that a perfect relationship? Well, it's not how I would do it. But the family is loved and cared for. And more importantly, it's not my relationship so I'm not going to criticize and pass judgment.

                                                                                If all of the subscriber information is leaked to the public, it would stand for the proposition that individuals are not entitled to privacy in cases where any other person believes that the private behavior is not moral. In a free society, that absolutely cannot be the standard. Why should the general public (which includes friends, family, employers, etc.) have access to that which takes place in the private confines of the lives of individuals? Even if you don't feel sorry for the "cheaters", what about the people in open marriages whose bosses are now free to fire them because open marriages offend their religious convictions?

                                                                                Let's think about this. We can't laud Snowden as a hero while we scoff at the AM subscribers and say, "They had it coming." Privacy is privacy.

                                                                                [–]ScubaSteeeve 25ポイント26ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                I'm curious of any of the users happened to be stuck in an abusive relationship, had a partner who was aware of and okay with their extracurricular activities, got cold feet and ended up deciding not to cheat, or were only interested in making sure their spouse wasn't cheating.

                                                                                Don't get me wrong, the site was skeevy as hell, and anyone who used it for their intended purpose without their spouse's knowledge and permission deserves what they get. But I'm sure there's quite a few people in that 37 million who don't deserve to get dragged through the mud.

                                                                                [–]Ah_Q 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                Even for people who used the site to facilitate an extramarital affair, I would not say that they "deserve" to have their personal information illegally and publicly disclosed.

                                                                                Privacy shouldn't go out the window just because some people use it to do things that many find morally reprehensible.

                                                                                [–]ScubaSteeeve 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                Actually, I think you're right. I don't really think they deserve it. I just have little to no sympathy for them. It was a poor choice of words on my part.

                                                                                [–]Jace_the_mind 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                Reddit defends paedophiles all the time in this regard.

                                                                                "Sex offense registry is an invasion of privacy!

                                                                                Followed by,

                                                                                "cheaters deserve everything they get!"

                                                                                [–]SteveRudzinski 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                I cheated once in my life. It was when I was stuck in an abusive relationship and in an especially awful night of being emotionally destroyed a female friend made me give in. That night helped me restore my self esteem and love of myself which gave me the strength to get out of the relationship.

                                                                                I am now engaged to a wonderful woman who told me she also cheated once in a very similar situation. We are very in love and I have never cheated after that night.

                                                                                But hey on Reddit it's all black and white, all cheaters are assholes and will always cheat again.

                                                                                [–]ScubaSteeeve 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                This is why I don't consider people stuck in an abusive relationship who find someone else to be deserving of scorn. Hell, even someone who has a moment of weakness and regrets it doesn't deserve the scorn. I mean people who knowingly cheat on a partner who loves and cares about them.

                                                                                [–]whaddupbitch 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                I think everyone should mind their own fucking business. No I've never had an account.

                                                                                [–]kaninkanon 11ポイント12ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                What trust was betrayed, exactly?

                                                                                Did the hackers first promise not to hack the site?

                                                                                [–]fritzvonamerika 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                I think it is an expectation of privacy where the site wouldn't broadcast personal details.

                                                                                As an analogy, image you told a friend a secret and they wrote it in their personal diary that someone then stole and printed in the local paper. Your trust in that friend would be betrayed even though they didn't personally disclose your secret.

                                                                                [–]ZanSquid 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                I believe the "issue" was that some users were paying for a premium service that scrubbed all their details from the site, but it turned out all their info was still there.

                                                                                But yes, I get your drift.

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                                                                                  [–]PM_Me_Your_WiiU 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  I'm willing to bet most of the users on that site aren't actually cheaters.

                                                                                  [–]skrimpster 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  You know they are going to make an example out of the hackers just because of all the politicians that use that site.

                                                                                  [–]Freddit- 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  One's illegal, the other is not.

                                                                                  It's not comparable.

                                                                                  Hopefully these shitposts will stop clogging my front page soon.

                                                                                  [–]sollipse 12ポイント13ポイント  (35子コメント)

                                                                                  I have cheated on people and been cheated on. Admittedly, I'm not married, but I understand why these site users do what they do.

                                                                                  Marriage is fucking hard, guys. Even if you love someone a lot. My dad and my mom were in love, but they still struggled.

                                                                                  Sometimes you're in a relationship and you're trying your best -- and your partner is trying their best. But it's work. And you want to feel like you did when you first met them -- attractive, and wanted, and loved. But they can't give that to you right now, because you've both forgotten how.

                                                                                  And there's someone else, either at work or at a bar, or whatever, and they do make you feel that way. And you know it's wrong, and maybe you're a terrible person for it, but it's like a drug. You've wanted to feel this way for so long that having it dangled in front of your nose is maddening.

                                                                                  So you cheat. And you think to yourself -- this is actually making you better. With that lustful, longing desire satisfied, you can really devote yourself to your partner without feeling frustrated, or denied.

                                                                                  But that's not how it happens at all. Instead, there's a sinking feeling that forms in your gut. A lead weight pulling you into the dirt. And you can't talk to anyone about it; how can you? You're lying to everyone.

                                                                                  But being with someone makes it feel less shitty. And the thing you fear most is being hated, and alone. So you juggle. You try the balancing act.

                                                                                  And in the end, you fail.

                                                                                  [–]wtf_kittycat 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  This is kinda the reason why I don't believe in marriage. Be with someone because you love them, not because a contract tells you to. It's messy and complicated. Why can't people just be in committed relationships without getting married? I never understood that. Some of the best relationships that I have ever seen were between two unmarried people who were together just because they wanted to be. And when they were sick of each other, they broke up. But always came back to each other... Because they wanted to.

                                                                                  [–]aces08 50ポイント51ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                  Nah It's not that hard actually

                                                                                  [–]thats-so-revan 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Happily married and faithful guy here. I think your statements on why some people cheat are 100% accurate. Before I met my mrs forever, I think I would have found a lot of comfort in these words based on previous relationships I mucked through. That said, marriage is a verb which means you are actively loving and working to keep it strong. The minute it becomes a noun and just a thing you keep on your finger is the minute it could be gone forever.

                                                                                  [–]water_is_delicious 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                  Marriage is hard

                                                                                  This is by far the worst argument when playing the devil's advocate for infidelity.

                                                                                  [–]kinggeorgec 24ポイント25ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                  Been married 24 years, it's not difficult.

                                                                                  [–]thelovebandit 18ポイント19ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                  Its just not for everyone, if its hard you probably shouldnt be married

                                                                                  [–]steppe5 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Well, this proves it everybody. Marriage is indeed easy.

                                                                                  [–]scootah 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                  The divorce statistics totally support this position. barely anyone has a failed marriage because marriage is a cakewalk...wait.

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                                                                                    [–]Kool_AidJammer 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    You sound like a weak minded person with zero will power. Things got tough so you fucked someone else? Great lesson buddy.

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                                                                                      [–]itsme10082005 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                      Yeah, let's totally screw over those people in polyamorous relationships, the couples that are searching together, or the single people on there. That'll show them!

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