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[–]TheFalken 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

As an Army reservist, I can tell you that reserve centers are extremely soft targets. On a drill weekend, you may have 100 soldiers or more present with 0 loaded weapons easily accessible. This is mainly due to the fear of accidental mishaps. Instead of improving training for soldiers, the answer is to lock the weapons away and keep ammo separated till on a range.

[–]NodbuggerX 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most reserve centers and national guard armories have nothing more than a single 30rnd magazine. There are tons of rules and regulations for storing ammo, that is why only depots have them. If shit went down we had nothing.

[–]PhilosoGuidoConstitutionalist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

God forbid that commanders have to take time away from all those sexual assault, military equal opportunity, and don't ask don't tell briefs to conduct small arms training more than the once every 2 years it is required.

[–]Woolagaroo 66ポイント67ポイント  (16子コメント)

Oh boy. I usually try to stay away from gun debates, but I have to weigh in on this one.

I don't want to assume anything, but I get the feeling most people here are civilians. The idea that military bases are somehow unprotected or have been disarmed is ridiculous. Every military base I have ever been to has had every entrance under guard by MPs/AFSF/Marines/Police at all times. When I go to work every day, I am checked and waved past by a man with an M4 at the ready. And you can see this in the events that unfolded yesterday. The four Marines that this man killed were all at a recruiting center (and most recruiters I've seen operate out of strip malls or somewhere similar). As soon as he reached the Naval Yard, he was engaged by police and killed.

Furthermore, the policy towards firearms on military bases has nothing to do with liberals. When the DoD and local Commanders decide policies for bases, they are doing so with the order and security of the base in mind, not politics.

This is not a political issue. Don't make it one, just move on.

[–]Telre 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

The deaths were not at the strip mall. "From there, he headed to another location more than seven miles away, an operational support center operated by the U.S. Navy. That's where the four victims and the gunman were killed, Reinhold said."

I don't agree with the conclusions being made, particularly that this is a "thanks obama" moment. I do agree, and so does the history of shootings, that most shootings are done at locations where the shooter believes there is a lower chance of resistance.

[–]Aschebescher 45ポイント46ポイント  (4子コメント)

the policy towards firearms on military bases has nothing to do with liberals

Everything on r/conservative has to do with liberals

[–]Bosworth2 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I believe that they are now posting armed guards at Recruiting Stations.

[–]scungillipig 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The United States military is a target for terrorists around the world.

If you wear the uniform then carry a weapon.

[–]gangrenous_ghoulpaleocon 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

never have I ever had someone with an m4 wave me through at the gate

[–]thatrightwingerUltimate Conservative 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was an army brat. The gate guards never had machine guns. And if a solder has murder in his heart like in the Ft. Hood shootings, the gate guards will make no difference anyway.

Again, an outright ban on soldiers being armed is sheer stupidity: it leaves then sitting ducks and targets.

[–]Aegisx5[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

"According to a Washington Times editorial written days after the Nov. 5, 2009 attack on soldiers at Fort Hood, one of Clinton’s “first acts upon taking office… was to disarm U.S. soldiers on military bases.”

Clinton’s actions birthed Army regulations “forbidding military personnel from carrying their personal firearms and making it almost impossible for commanders to issue firearms to soldiers in the U.S. for personal protection."

The same theme ran true at the Navy Yard in DC on September 16. Police were called after the shooter opened fired, and reports indicate it took approximately three to seven minutes for them to arrive. "

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2013/09/17/when-military-gun-free/

Edit: According to this article it was not entirely Clinton's fault - the directive banning guns being carried by regular soldiers on base was initially issued by George H.W. Bush, implimented by Clinton, and re-authorized under Obama. So in other words, the RINOs and the Democrats once again worked together to screw America... what else is new?

[–]pipechapLibertarian Conservative 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Navy_Yard_shooting

So you're telling us this didn't happen because military facilities aren't gun free zones?

It doesn't matter that he was eventually killed, what matters is he was able to kill twelve people, and injure eight before he was stopped, while any of those twenty people could have been armed, and should be able to be trusted with carrying while on duty.

How about this incident?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Fort_Hood_shooting

Or this one?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Fort_Hood_shooting

[–]ChiliManiacConservative Jew -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let me stop you right there... "As soon as he reached the Naval Yard, he was engaged by police and killed."

He still killed 4 people, 4 recruiters, 4 Marines, four people of our military.

If this isn't political then why was the shooting of a black Church considered political and southern heritage stripped and degraded with everyone jumping to conclusions? This is an example of liberal hypocrisy. It's political because if those Marines had a Side Arm they might have had there lives saved. Though let's be honest, if a recruit was killed along side of them would the narrative be any different? You liberals think with an agenda that deals with shutting down the opposition. If you don't agree with it, or are offended about it you whine and complain until It's dealt with.

[–]Aegisx5[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It IS a political issue, because anti-gun groups are calling for more gun control where as those on the rights have called for allowing soldiers to carry on military bases. Obviously, checks are far from foolproof - duh - which is how the Ft. Hood shooter managed to get onto the base with a loaded handgun and shoot several dozen unarmed soldiers in a cafeteria. I agree, the problem is not just with bases themselves, military members should carry at all times, even at the recruiting center or when off base. Why would we not trust the people we trained to safely handle and use weapons to safely handle and use weapons?

Let me tell you a story. I grew up less than a mile from a military base (not a military family, they just liked the town). I won't mention the name of the base because I don't want to give ISIS any suggestions, but trust me to say it was a MAJOR one. Like top tier list of potential targets for an attack. When I was a kid, there was a path behind my friend's house through the woods that led directly to a remote corner of the base where the fence was dug up. We used to crawl underneath and walk around exploring the place. As a teenager - post 9/11 - we would sometimes go visit friends and such who worked on base such as at the commissary. The guards would check underneath our car, in the trunk, etc., but we didn't have to get out of the car. They would have had no idea if we all had two or three handguns a piece hidden under our clothing or inside the cabin.

TL,DR: Gun free zones don't work, not even on military bases. Members of the military are a target and should be encouraged if not required to carry and be ready to protect themselves, their fellow soldiers, and civilians if possible.

[–]chabanaisThe Bird's the Word -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is not a political issue.

Source?

Military bases are so well protected many people were murdered their by jihadists.

[–]fox9iner[🍰] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

So is this like /atheism to /christianity, where hearing your opinion repeated over and over again in an echo chamber isn't enough so you go to smaller subs and shove your opinions down their throats to prove a point in your head?

[–]Webonics 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

No body thinks this....

[–]Aegisx5[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

They do though. The reaction of the left in the past has been to push MORE gun control, not end the ridiculous prohibition on soldiers carrying guns on military bases.

http://conservativebyte.com/2014/04/gun-control-activists-pounce-chance-exploit-fort-hood-shooting/

[–]KingOfTheP4s -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe bodies don't, but liberals do. I know they can be hard to tell apart sometimes.

[–]moistmongoose 8ポイント9ポイント  (7子コメント)

I consider myself very liberal. Never knew that soldiers didn't carry on base(which is stupid as hell). With all the recent shootings I guess security on base is pathetic?

[–]jettj14Libertarian Conservative 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Being on base is not much different than being in any other small town community, other than first responders can get to places a little quicker. There's a security gate at the entrance to the base, but typically all they do is check your ID card. Sometimes, they do random searches for things such as firearms, but it's rare.

[–]house_paint 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Military members stationed at a base stateside are mostly going to a normal job just like you do as a civilian. You have computer techs, plumbers, electricians, accountants.. I was a computer programmer and worked mostly a 9-5 job writing software. I wasn't running around shooting guns. :)

[–]chabanaisThe Bird's the Word 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

Billy Clinton disarmed them.

[–]Xenidae 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/17/this-is-why-most-military-personnel-are-disarmed-on-military-bases-and-its-not-clintons-fault/

[–]chabanaisThe Bird's the Word 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

I stand corrected.

Thank you.

[–]deHavillandDash8Q400 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

We've got this, fort hood, navy yard… any others?

[–]Sumner67 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

nyc recruiting shooting, 2nd fort hood shooting (yep, there was a 2nd one), little rock recruiting office shooting, Norfolk shooting, Fort Knox shooting, Quantico shooting, Fairchild Air Base shooting.

[–]chabanaisThe Bird's the Word -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Navy Yard last year.

[–]shodanx -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

Just close the military bases and reduce taxes, problem solved. If commies attack, patriots will stand up and take'em down.

[–]Aegisx5[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

Close the military bases down... lol you're out of your mind, do you know that?

[–]shodanx 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Not all of them, just the ones we don't really need, like 90% of them.

It's time to cash out the peace dividend, those military welfare queens needs to get some real productive American jobs.

Starve the beast !

[–]Aegisx5[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

We have the richest nation in the world, and among the most resources. Do you know how long it'd take to be invaded if we closed all the military bases down and disbanded the military? Do you understand how many people would die, desperately trying to defend their country from foreign invaders looking to carve our country up among themselves? The military is one of the actual core functions of the federal government, per the Constitution. That's what they're supposed to be spending our money on - protecting us. You obviously have never had the balls to serve your country and see the sacrifices they make. Welfare queens... how insulting.

[–]shodanx 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

The invading army would need to cross an ocean to get here, we would see them coming for weeks before they actually got here and if they posed any actual threat, the country they came from would be turned into vapor before they'd finish their landing.

Military bases all over the place is only good for fighting Nazi and putting down their own population, waste of money in 2015.

[–]Aegisx5[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

How are we going to do that with all our military bases empty? You and your buddies gonna sit on the shore - " hey Jim, I think I see something!"

[–]shodanx 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Theme park for unruly children.

[–]CaptainPaintball -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Shout out to John Medicine Crow..." "Where he at?" "Oh, uh, there you are..."

[–]aznperson -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

If you are trying to build relations to the civilian community you might need to hide the guns until you can repair those relations. Trust the military they know what they are doing.

[–]Aegisx5[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

The military remains one of the most trusted institutions in the United States. I don't think many people have a problem with them having guns, other than the nutjobs who just hate all guns period under any circumstances cough MDA cough