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Man mistakenly detained for child porn wants public apology (wate.com)

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[–]jdw101 2438ポイント2439ポイント  (220子コメント)

This is so many people's worst nightmare. I would rather be accused of shooting up a restaurant than this.

[–]kinggambitben 937ポイント938ポイント  (140子コメント)

There's a film called "The Hunt" that goes through that nightmare.

The ending to that movie is worth watching the film for IMO. Captures the entire vibe of the story and what the protagonist goes through.

Great performances by the 2 lead actors too!

[–]D8-42 123ポイント124ポイント  (33子コメント)

"Funnily" enough it actually happened to a Danish guy in NYC, he was absolutely smeared and described as hitler practically and then it turns out that he didn't actually do anything, there was a lot of talk here in Denmark about it, especially after he was released about how they interrogated him with the "reid method" and he said that at the end he wasn't actually sure that he didn't do anything wrong because they play you psychologically so much with that method, it's so fucked up when stuff like this happens.

[–]sobersonder 69ポイント70ポイント  (32子コメント)

reid method

wiki link for the curious

Why would they use a technique pretty much designed to trick someone into false confessions? How long ago was this? Its basically institutional brainwash and destruction of peoples whole lives, with no benefit to society or even the police. They might as well just go around shooting at innocent people instead of slowly destroying their lives forever.

[–]judgebread 37ポイント38ポイント  (9子コメント)

Do you know how many people are in jail for a crime they didn't commit, but plead guilty to it because it was so unlikely they would be aquitted?

[–]MediocreMisery [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yeah, that's a really big issue. Especially when it's a situation with someone who has little or no means of their own. They can't afford a good lawyer, they can't afford bail or lengthy legal fights.

They are basically presented with a, "which option for ruining your life do you want to take?"

Option 1) Fight it, go broke, probably still be found guilty, get a much harsher verdict handed down. Option 2) Plea out, be found guilty, but take a far less harsh punishment.

For people in a situation like that... both suck, but even their own lawyers will often advise them to take it (because they are probably the court appointed one, busy as hell, and not exactly a super star legal defense).

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    [–]Viral12 73ポイント74ポイント  (7子コメント)

    I don't know where you've been for the last few decades. The entire U.S. justice system is dedicated to getting people to confess to crimes, whether they are guilty or not.

    They take the first person that has any sort of suspicion of guilt, none of this constitutional "beyond a reasonable doubt" stuff, and they throw charge after charge at them. They interrogate them for weeks. They come back at them telling them if they plea guilty they can drop most of the charges, or they can "take their chances in court." Where, unless you're rich, you get a shitty public defender who is on first name basis with the prosecution anyway. America.

    [–]D8-42 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

    How long ago was this?

    Last summer.

    Here's a short article, there's more if you search his name, also on reddit.

    EDIT: And also, yes, which is why he's suing NYC, they totally ruined his reputation and now everyone associates this poor 22-23 year old kid with paedophilia because of the way it was handled.

    Also didn't help that American media especially, doesn't give a single shit about using peoples names.

    Remember the "boston bomber" that committed suicide? Yeah...

    In America you're basically guilty until proven otherwise, it happens constantly sadly.

    EDIT: The most interesting and long articles are in Danish though, also the interviews where he talked about experiencing the reid method but I found one more english articles here: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/intern-preschool-arrested-sexually-abusing-children-officials-article-1.1854187

    and here's an example of people immediately assuming that he's guilty and saying all kinds of crazy things they want to do to him that they can't even seem to grasp makes them as bad, or well, worse than him, since he didn't do it, there's some people in the thread that seems to behave like adult humans though.. http://www.dreamindemon.com/community/threads/all-charges-against-malthe-thomsen-for-sexually-abusing-kids-dropped.70469/

    EDIT2: A couple more: http://nypost.com/2014/07/09/mixup-sends-accused-child-molester-back-to-jail-after-he-posts-bail/

    http://nypost.com/2014/07/08/preschool-has-no-proof-of-interns-alleged-abusiveness/

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/danish-preshool-intern-accused-sexually-abusing-kids-leaves-rikers-article-1.1861711

    [–]stevenjd 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Why would they use a technique pretty much designed to trick someone into false confessions?

    Don't be so naive. You think that prosecutors and cops want to jail bad guys? They want to win, so that they look good on their performance review, or get re-elected. If the person sent to jail happens to be guilty, that's a happy bonus. It's not a requirement.

    [–]smackjack [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Also see the false confession of Michael Crowe

    Stephanie Crowe was a 12 year old girl that was stabbed to death in the middle of the night in 1999. Police decided right from the beginning that her 14 year old brother was the culprit, but they had no evidence. In order to get a confession, they had him take a lie detector test, and then told him that some of his answers were detected as lies (which was a lie in and of itself. The lie detector test was fake). They also told him that they found knife with his sister's blood in his room (another lie.) Lastly, they kept him in the interrogation room for several hours, and made it clear that they wouldn't let him out until he confessed to killing his sister.

    The most shocking part of all of this? They had already interviewed the real killer. The real killer had the victim's blood on his shirt, but the police didn't seem to think that was important.

    [–]corsairofdoom [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Why would they use a technique pretty much designed to trick someone into false confessions?

    It's not about justice, it's about "winning". The "justice" system doesn't promote people based on how much real actual justice is delivered, they get promoted on how many criminals are locked up. Prosecutors live and die career-wise by the number of cases they close.

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      [–]molly-dont-surf 362ポイント363ポイント  (25子コメント)

      Excellent movie that really explores the permanent repercussions a (false) accusation / rumor can have upon a man's life. Some parts are hard to watch, but the ending is perfect. Mads is phenomenal as usual.

      [–]frozenelf 141ポイント142ポイント  (16子コメント)

      I watched it with friends and every fifteen minutes we would check with each other if we wanted to keep going because it was such a brutal film to watch.

      [–]MrMemorie 94ポイント95ポイント  (10子コメント)

      I remember watching this movie with my friends before going out to party. We didn't know what this movie was about, so we just went in it because we liked the actor. After the movie the atmosphere was kind of depressing and we didnt go out to party. Really excellent movie, but wouldnt recommend watching it before going out :D

      [–]omgshutthefuckup 63ポイント64ポイント  (6子コメント)

      that's the surest sign on a great movie. one that leaves you with a different perspective. you feel like you have been living the movie, not watching it.

      [–]Tall-Midget 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I remember being legitemately angry when watching the movie because it's just so unfair

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            [–]plilq 22ポイント23ポイント  (3子コメント)

            We were kinda waiting for... (SPOILERS!)

            (not sure if this sub has spoiler support and did not want to ruin a great movie for anyone)

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              [–]BoneMachineNo13 25ポイント26ポイント  (9子コメント)

              This is an incredible film. Mads mikkelsen is such a versatile actor. This was the movie that made me realize just how good he is.

              [–]nanosync 38ポイント39ポイント  (6子コメント)

              Available at http://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/video/473107011820/the-hunt for Australia

              [–]keyed_yourcar 37ポイント38ポイント  (9子コメント)

              Loved this movie. Mikkelsen is superb!

              [–]Mr-Goat 69ポイント70ポイント  (16子コメント)

              And I recommend another "Monster". It's an anime, but don't be closed minded, just watch it.

              There's zero fantasy in it, very serious, could be easily made into tv show. It's about German doctor that saves a kid, that kid later on turns out to be insane killer. Doctors feelings are conflicted because he essentially saved "devil". So he pursues that kid, trying to know why he become the way he is and trying to correct his mistakes, while he is blamed for the killings and police is afterwards him.

              [–]furuichidono 24ポイント25ポイント  (10子コメント)

              Del Toro is even adapting it to a live action show with HBO. Super excited for that.

              [–]The_Profit_ 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

              I watched like 50 eps,(need to finish it) but it was one of the best tv shows I have ever watched. They could do it shot for shot as live action and it would be great. It didn't even feel like a anime.

              [–]SketchyLogic 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Del Toro always has a dozen projects on his plate, most of which never see the light of day. Until production actually starts, you're better off saying that Del Toro hopes to make a Monster adaption.

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                  [–]Bingotatter 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  The danish one? A movie has never made me that angry. I wanted to attack those people

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                    [–]dannyb21892 206ポイント207ポイント  (27子コメント)

                    Hey guys i hear this guy shot up a restaurant! D:<

                    [–]sylass94 330ポイント331ポイント  (25子コメント)

                    oh my god and i heard it was cause someone stole all his child porn!

                    [–]PimpDaddyBleezy 107ポイント108ポイント  (23子コメント)

                    And then he raped them!

                    [–]jjjaaammm 61ポイント62ポイント  (19子コメント)

                    I heard it was actually a daycare.

                    [–]Madenmann 98ポイント99ポイント  (17子コメント)

                    A Daycare that's also a Restaurant? They're eating Children!

                    [–]Ghostise 74ポイント75ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    Then they're going to eat me!

                    OH MY GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWD!

                    [–]salmonman78 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    Actually a place you could sit down for a nice meal with the wife while the kids were in another room being wild sounds nice.

                    Source: guy who has custody of niece and nephew who have issues due to shitty parents.

                    [–]SuperllamaX 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    /r/news summed up in one comment thread

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                        [–]DepletedWisdom 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        They raped his child porn?!?! Will this travesty never end.

                        [–]PimpDaddyBleezy 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        "why are the pictures all stuck together?.... Oh my god!"

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                              [–]Farquat 59ポイント60ポイント  (26子コメント)

                              I'd rather be accidentally accused of being hitlers clone than this.

                              [–]Harbltron 52ポイント53ポイント  (19子コメント)

                              at least Hitler's clone has the potential to be a good person

                              [–]The_HMS_Antelope 50ポイント51ポイント  (11子コメント)

                              Hitler's clone would be under so much pressure. To either be a great person to prove it's not all genetics, or be a horrible, horrible person to live up to his progenitor's name. I think the worst thing for Hitler's clone to be would be "kind of a dick". As in, "it seems like genetics might play a part, he's not going to kill anyone but he always eats my food in the fridge and when I call him out on it he says 'oh my bad', but he KEEPS doing it , even after that...he's kind of a dick"

                              [–]ciny 21ポイント22ポイント  (5子コメント)

                              or he would just paint his paintings and sell them on etsy. He wasn't that bad so he would probably get by...

                              [–]Alphardbard 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              Hitler's clone would probably land a good job painting Anime back grounds.

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                                    [–]scdi 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    A police spokesperson originally told WAVY the victim was 13 years old, but upon further review, police now say the victim was 17.

                                    Is there any part of this case the police didn't fuck up?

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                                      [–]Pepe_leprawn 3840ポイント3841ポイント  (526子コメント)

                                      This type of false accusations ruin people's lives and reputation, he most defiantly deserves an apology. Everyone needs to know he is innocent.

                                      Edit: Definitely* stupid phone

                                      [–]Handmeafish 2620ポイント2621ポイント  (268子コメント)

                                      Edit2: so a few people who apparently have better Google skills than I do have found where he was charged. It appears I was wrong about my teacher.

                                      But based on the comments I still believe this shit happens, even if it didn't happen to him.

                                      Original post; I've told this story before, but I feel it bares repeating in case anyone doubts what you've said.

                                      My favorite teacher in middle school was accused of having child porn. (I was in college by then.) he was arrested at school, and it was reported that the child porn was on his work computer. The story was all over the news and he was fired.

                                      Charges were never filed. There was one picture, of him and his family doing relief work in a 3rd world county, and a little kid was playing with him self in the background.

                                      The news never said anything about him not being charged, and to this day of you google his name you'll find his mug shot and stories about his arrest. He was never able to work in schools again.

                                      He killed him self 3 years later. He lost what he loved most in this world, teaching kids music... And most of his students who once loved him think of him as a pedophile. This shit is fucked up and this man deserves a public apology. And so does my teacher, but he'll never get one.

                                      Edit: I hate it when people do this, but I'm actually happy this is my most up voted comment.

                                      A few things: since he's dead I'm pretty sure this doesn't violate rules. His name was Jamie Schneider, from Colorado.

                                      Apparently similar stories happened in Ohio and Georgia which is heart breaking to me.

                                      [–]PantsJihad 944ポイント945ポイント  (73子コメント)

                                      Keep telling his story. When you hear people knee jerk about an accusation, tell them about this. Maybe, just maybe, you'll change some minds.

                                      [–]ThreeTimesUp 181ポイント182ポイント  (41子コメント)

                                      That's so sad.

                                      It's also testimony that there are people out there that are willing to stretch definitions - sometimes beyond the breaking point, and PARTICULARLY when it pertains to something sexual - for the sole purpose of finding a reason to charge someone with something.

                                      Bluenoses and the easily titillated. Fuck.

                                      [–]lurk_n_throw 27ポイント28ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                      There are so many benign examples that have turned into horror stories. For example parents that photographed their children playing in the bath getting reported for child porn. Even a person who had accidentally captured a nude child in the frame of an otherwise ordinary photo from a beach.

                                      It stands to reason that each claim of child porn should be carefully vetted before it reaches the press, since we can't trust the press with such matters due to their reliance on sensationalism. How about good old "Innocent until proven guilty", before we start releasing the names and photos of people a scenario that effectively ends their life.

                                      [–]theOtrumpet 105ポイント106ポイント  (30子コメント)

                                      I can't figure out the sex crimes. Yes, it is horrible, that much I get but why are they so...amplified?

                                      Murderers are bad but if you mention that they raped their victims before killing them then they are somehow 1000x worse. If they tortured victims it would be an eh, if they raped them before the murder then it gets a much more extreme reaction.

                                      [–]Rick554 102ポイント103ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                      Torture killings most definitely don't get an "eh."

                                      [–]Ebu-Gogo 49ポイント50ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                      Because it turns something that is an incredibly intimate and personal act (sex) to many people into something that is violent and invasive.

                                      Torture is equally violent and invasive, but the act itself isn't derived from a common, intimate and sensual act.

                                      Rape gets such an extreme reaction because it's a crime that turns something extremely good and pleasurable into something extremely hurtful. It's a massive invasion of privacy and agency. It's the flip from one extreme end to the other that gets to people (and the victims themselves of course).

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                                        [–]chronicprocrastina 262ポイント263ポイント  (45子コメント)

                                        They really need to change the rules so that your name is not revealed until after you're found guilty.

                                        [–]Catch_2 308ポイント309ポイント  (31子コメント)

                                        It's a ridiculous thing, my brother was stabbed quite badly during a night out. (He survived) after a guy pulled a knife on him. He was arrested in hospital just because the procedure was to arrest everyone involved in the event.

                                        The police posted his name and address online as 'man arrested with involvement in stabbing incident' (even though he was the only one hurt) the local papers and even national news sites ran with this and posted his name too. He was never charged with anything and the man with knife was sentenced, however if you google my brothers name the top results are still him being arrested for involvement with knife crime. The police do not care.

                                        [–]chris3110 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        I regularly get to a point where I believe the USA cannot be any more insane than that, and they always find a way to top it. Bummer.

                                        [–]lambo4bkfast 111ポイント112ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                        I'd lawyer up and sue that police department as I am pretty sure that is completely illegal.

                                        [–]bros_pm_me_ur_asspix 75ポイント76ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                        its far too late once your life is ruined, youre just simply unable to ever get a decent job again, start living off welfare and use the ER as your primary care, and cheer for the destruction of shitty authorities who continue to ruin lives.

                                        [–]dakboy 45ポイント46ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                        too late once your life is ruined, youre just simply unable to ever get a decent job again

                                        Which is why you sue for lost future/potential earnings.

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                                          [–]KingKidd 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Hint: it's not.

                                          [–]Shrek1982 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          How do you figure? To be arrested can just mean to be held during the preliminary stages of an investigation. It doesn't necessarily mean they will be charged with anything or held for an extended duration of time. The arrest is just to hold the person while the initial investigations details are worked out.

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                                            [–]CeleryStickBeating 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            A huge part of the blame damage is the fault of news media. They should be forced to print out all the details surrounding his case, in the exact same context the original report was displayed. If it was front page or prime time then the update should also be there.

                                            It's the news media that doesn't care.

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                                              [–]MasterHillshire 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              We can thank the news media for this, not the police and/or jails. Like it or not, unless the laws are changed by our elected officials, this information is public record, and news agencies typically have dedicated staffers assigned to look for "newsworthy" items. It needs to be changed, and names should only be made public after a conviction.

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                                                [–]RelativetoZero 66ポイント67ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                He's dead. Is it against the rules to give his name now, so that he can be remembered as a victim?

                                                [–]cowbeef01 48ポイント49ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                I think you could still harass his family, so it isn't allowed.

                                                [–]IFMTMO 58ポイント59ポイント  (37子コメント)

                                                Isn't this a perfect example why Right To Be Forgotten makes sense? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_be_forgotten

                                                If there are no news articles about the man being innocent, it should at least be possible to remove the false accusations once they are not proven true and sufficient time has gone by.

                                                [–]sbd104 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                How long does the story run than. What's the time frame. The problem is false accusations.

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                                                  [–]WhoNeedsRealLife 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                  Not even charged? It's crazy how fast people jump to conclusions. I would prefer if media didn't smear someones name until they're convicted.

                                                  [–]doublewar 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  The person you are responding to doesn't seem to know the full story...

                                                  http://gazette.com/band-leader-at-timberview-middle-accused-of-sending-child-porn/article/51939

                                                  investigators found "more than 20 images" of prepubescent girls engaged in sex or posed in sexually explicit positions exposing their breasts and genitals

                                                  http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/springs-music-teacher-arrested-in-child-porn-case

                                                  "Evidence consistent with the distribution of sexually exploitative images of children was recovered during the search," police said in a statement

                                                  http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/43110077.html

                                                  A search of Schneider's residence in Colorado Springs reveled evidence consistent with the distribution of sexually exploitative images of children

                                                  http://coloradosprings360.dev.projecta.com/News.aspx?NewsID=23

                                                  On April 15, Mr. Schneider was arrested without incident and placed into the El Paso County Criminal Justice Center on the charge if Sexual Exploitation of Children, a class four Felony

                                                  [–]wibble_from_mars 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Was this in Slough UK?

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                                                    [–]Bombingofdresden 211ポイント212ポイント  (41子コメント)

                                                    It also states the alleged victim was originally thought to be 13 and was then found out to be 17. That's quite a fucking discrepancy and depending on Virginia's laws could mean a crime didn't actually happen, couldn't it?

                                                    [–]Sojohan 98ポイント99ポイント  (27子コメント)

                                                    The guy is 21, he probably had pictures of a 17 years old girl girlfriend naked, boohoo. Not what I assume when I read child pornography.

                                                    [–]Alphardbard 50ポイント51ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                    Kind of like how when I think "sex offender" I don't imagine someone who pissed in the bushes or had consensual sex on the beach and got caught, but the law is blind.

                                                    [–]ASK_ME_WHY_IM_EVIL 23ポイント24ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                    Fun story.

                                                    I once hooked up with a chick that was 16, and by hooked up I mean she came over to my house with a friend of a friend nearly every day for about a week and we fucked like rabbits. Apparently her parents found out about it one way or another and she stopped showing up. What happened was perfectly legal here, so life went on for a couple weeks.

                                                    Then the cops show up. They've got a warrant for my phone, my computer hard drives, and to search my home for child pornography.

                                                    Apparently she had been sending nudes to someone else they thought was me, so they seized all my shit. I actually got really lucky, because I had some camcorder tapes from my high-school years stashed away (which I promptly destroyed) on which there would be what was technically classified as child pornography. Basically dodged a felony and having my entire life fucked up by pure luck.

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                                                      [–]ThreeTimesUp 195ポイント196ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                      Fultz, who is from Petersburg, was arrested July 2 for possession of pornography and obscene material.

                                                      Oh, noes!! "Possession of pornography"!

                                                      Damn good thing I don't live in Virginia (and almost every single person reading this).

                                                      What ever happened to that whole "Virginia is for Lovers" thing? What the hell do they think 'Lovers' do?

                                                      And the '13-year-old girl' turning out to be 17? How Keystone Cops can they get??

                                                      Also:

                                                      Kilgore said he was told he was under arrest, but Norfolk police say they never officially arrested him. They said he was in detention, meaning they were still sorting out the details.

                                                      “I’m sitting in handcuffs and they have to call a car to come take me down to the police station,” Kilgore said.

                                                      I'll bet a dollar that if the cop had been distracted for a moment and Kilgore walked away, that "never officially arrested" person would have been charged with felony escape.

                                                      [–]intoxxx 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                      What ever happened to that whole "Virginia is for Lovers" thing? What the hell do they think 'Lovers' do?

                                                      FWIW, the "Lovers" thing is to be used like:

                                                      Virginia is for lovers ..of hiking.

                                                      Virginia is for lovers ..of history.

                                                      Virginia is for lovers ..of nature.

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                                                        [–]morris198 935ポイント936ポイント  (140子コメント)

                                                        Things like child pornography and rape are doubly-dangerous 'cos, in addition to being two of the most heinous crimes, they always manage to rally all of the self-righteous moral crusaders who rush to judgment and want to punish the accused before all the evidence is in.

                                                        I mean, it's funny how often people will stress that, until convicted, they're only accused; or insist that we're not barbarians and said accused deserves a fair trial... for any other crime. When these two hot buttons come up, everyone loses their fucking minds and want the poor saps executed in some back alley based on little more than hearsay.

                                                        [–]general_malapropos 456ポイント457ポイント  (81子コメント)

                                                        Europe does well by that score. Many countries make it illegal to release the accused name until convicted.

                                                        [–]Helix1337 37ポイント38ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                        As far as I am aware its not illegal here in Norway, but it is deemed unethical and therefore no one does it. The press here goes by a set of unofficial rules called "vær varsom plakaten" (loosely translated to "be careful").

                                                        For instance even most celebrities don't get mentioned by name if they do something. The article might just say a Norwegian music related celebrity has been arrested for domestic abuse.

                                                        [–]r4nd0md0od 182ポイント183ポイント  (49子コメント)

                                                        how do they sell newspapers or have news stories???

                                                        [–]americanets 151ポイント152ポイント  (39子コメント)

                                                        With faces blurred out.

                                                        [–]vandaalen 93ポイント94ポイント  (32子コメント)

                                                        Unfortunately that's not always the fact.

                                                        "Newspapers" like the Bild will just declare it of public interest and show the faces unblurred or they will have so many personal details in the article, that it's fairly easy to figure out who that person is, if you even remotely know it.

                                                        They'll also stalk social media profiles of those persons and download all images they can get a grip on.

                                                        They do not risk very much in terms of penalties. If they get sued, they will also fight until the bitter end.

                                                        [–]daddy-dj 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                        The BBC and many other news channels did the same thing recently when Cliff Richard had one of his houses raided under an ongoing investigation into sexual assaults by celebrities... They had cameras filming the whole thing. The guy may well turn out to be dodgy but I'd rather the courts determine that than a news editor. It's gone very quiet since and I've nut heard of any arrests but the news stations have moved onto other stories and unfortunately mud sticks.

                                                        [–]Ms_jingles 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Isn't Michael Barrymore suing some news people because of the incident where someone drowned in his pool. It's destroyed his career and nothing came of it.

                                                        Not to mention the heinous things they wrote about Stephen Gateley when he died.

                                                        [–]swingmymallet 43ポイント44ポイント  (27子コメント)

                                                        Yeah, if i destroyed someones life like that. Id be extremely concerned for my safety.

                                                        [–]BasedMcCulloch 80ポイント81ポイント  (26子コメント)

                                                        It's actually a testament to the goodness of the men that these publications have smeared that they do not endanger the writers' safety.

                                                        Can you imagine if a couple men who have had their lives destroyed by a faulty investigation and the unethical vulture-like reporters who profit off of it for their yellow journalist rags were to pull a Charlie Hebdo on the writers (and only those unethical writers) who smeared them so recklessly?

                                                        Obviously I would prefer a civilized society, but sometimes I wonder if we might be a little better off if the trash peddlers who pass as some of our journalists these days had a little fear put in them to actually report the truth. It might only take a couple instances of revenge before the assholes began to seriously think twice about things.

                                                        It'd probably create more problems than it would solve, but it's nice to imagine having people actually held accountable.

                                                        [–]Pyroteq 41ポイント42ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                        Dude, could you imagine if politicians that went back on their election promises or took bribes from lobbyists were publicly executed?

                                                        Call me an asshole, but I'd like to live in a world where people in that sort of position actually had an incentive to be honest and unfortunately it takes real fear to do that to many people.

                                                        [–]Aninymouse3 32ポイント33ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                        Welcome to the French Revolution, then. If society will not fear God, mankind is at a loss to reproduce that healthy, motivating fear. Bloodshed is usually their plan B of choice.

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                                                              [–]chrunchy 54ポイント55ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                              relevant. Mildly NSFW.

                                                              [–]allnaturalflavor 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                              That's so fucked up. I read up on here somewhere how American news networks report the news while BBC read the news. The distinction is small but it is a world of difference (like your pictures).

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                                                                  [–]Ircghost 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  You don't need a full name to make a story. Here in the Netherlands even the largest criminals are only addressed as "Willem E." et cetera. Also, the faces get a black bar around it.

                                                                  It is however not illegal to use the full name or picture, but is the media code in the Netherlands to not publice these names (even after being tried and found guilty). Most if not all media follow these guidelines.

                                                                  [–]Rannasha 28ポイント29ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                  The censoring is done very poorly. In the Netherlands, suspects are often referred to by the first name and first letter of their last name. For example: "Adolf H. is suspected to be responsible for the deaths of milions".

                                                                  However, in high profile cases or cases with a lot of local interest (for example various kinds of child abuse), the full name of the suspect can often be found rather easily.

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                                                                      [–]billyjohn 158ポイント159ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                                      My friends ex wife accused him of molesting their 2yr old daughter. Even after the audio tapes were found of her coaching the child, really sick stuff, everyone still tests him like a pedophile. There is mountains of evidence proving his innocence. It's insane.

                                                                      [–]-Strider 83ポイント84ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                      What a completely fucked up thing to do. She deserves the book thrown at her and the child given to the father.

                                                                      [–]3rdLevelRogue 86ポイント87ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                      Take a child from an unfit mother? What kind of animal are you!? /s

                                                                      [–]scdi 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      She coached the child to act like she was molested. She could grow up thinking she had been molested. Much of the harm from molestation comes from the breech of trust and being sexually taken advantage of and normally gets bad during/after puberty once the child begins to realize the magnitude of how badly they were treated. Thus, giving her false memories of being molested is almost as dangerous as molesting her. The mother should be rotting in prison for that one, especially if there was audio tapes proving she was doing it.

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                                                                        [–]reactor_number_4 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                        Why would she tape herself coaching the kid?

                                                                        [–]billyjohn 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        She has mental health issues, she is laughing on the recording as she tells her what to say. It's the scariest thing I've ever heard. She also made a five page survival check list for the end of the world.

                                                                        What's truly scary is that this started 3 years ago and is still going on.

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                                                                          [–]proROKexpat 127ポイント128ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                          My dad was accused of raping a 9 yr old girl. The accusation was completely baseless but I lost a friend over it because the mother thought "No would accuse a man for raping a 9 year girl if there wasn't some truth behind it"

                                                                          [–]KINGWST 61ポイント62ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                          This is essentially the plot for Jagten staring Mads Mikkelsen. It's a really great film about being falsely labeled as a sex offender.

                                                                          Sorry to hear your dad had to go through that.

                                                                          [–]proROKexpat 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          No problem, this happened like 10 years ago so its long over with no serious long repressions. It was a difficult time though.

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                                                                            [–]Ziphoblat 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            The Hunt should be mandatory viewing for everyone.

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                                                                              [–]thisisrediculou 31ポイント32ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                              And then lose interest in getting any real information by the time their names are cleared.

                                                                              [–]FireDash1231[🍰] 97ポイント98ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                              Nobody cares about the truth as long as the lie is more interesting

                                                                              [–]morris198 38ポイント39ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                              And you know what's the biggest problem?

                                                                              Sure, an innocent man has been railroaded and had his life utterly ruined by those out for blood, "protecting the children," or "fighting for women" -- and that's bad enough -- but by convicting the wrong person, the actual perpetrator is still out there, free, capable of creating more victims.

                                                                              [–]deesmutts88 37ポイント38ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                              Are you speaking generally or did you not read the article? The guy that they meant to arrest is now in custody, and beside that, he was arrested for having photos of a 17 year old, while himself being 21. Yes it's illegal, but I wouldn't exactly say he's creating victims.

                                                                              [–]joelomite11 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                              Yeah, I have no idea what the actually happened but my guess would be that a 17 year old sent a nude selfie to his phone.

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                                                                                  [–]Kind_Of_A_Dick 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  I mean, it's funny how often people will stress that, until convicted, they're only accused; or insist that we're not barbarians and said accused deserves a fair trial... for any other crime. When these two hot buttons come up, everyone loses their fucking minds and want the poor saps executed in some back alley based on little more than hearsay.

                                                                                  Way I see it, it's more because the emotional response generated by these crimes causes more people to comment as opposed to people changing their mind. So while those same voices that called for rationality still do call for it, they are now drowned out by the cacophony of new voices screaming for blood.

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                                                                                    [–]IMind 135ポイント136ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                                                    His arrest will make the front page, his public apology will appear on page 18.

                                                                                    [–]noddwyd 47ポイント48ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                    It would be totally irrelevant even if it was front page. No one's reputation/job/life etc. survives even the accusation. You are convicted for life in the public eye.

                                                                                    [–]gonejellyfishin77 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    But he wasn't arrested. What part of this is so hard to understand?

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                                                                                      [–]chucksimpson 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                      The more brutal or graphic the crime, the more likely you're going to think the accused is guilty. Don't know why that's the way the human brain works but sadly that is the reality.

                                                                                      [–]exzon 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      Even if found innocent the most common conclusion from the public is that there wasn't enough evidence rather than that they're actually innocent.

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                                                                                        [–]NoobdaddyX 1202ポイント1203ポイント  (177子コメント)

                                                                                        A police spokesperson originally told WAVY the victim was 13 years old, but upon further review, police now say the victim was 17.

                                                                                        And here I was, all ready to direct my anger towards the real culprit. That seedy, evil Darknet child molester selling kidnapped children videos for Bitcoins. Turns out it is a 21-year old male who took pics of his 17-year old girlfriend during sex. TWO people have been wronged here - if you disagree with that you are a fool and a moron, sorry. No more of this "the law is the law" shit used to defend less-than-ideal rules.

                                                                                        [–]torah_sam 195ポイント196ポイント  (41子コメント)

                                                                                        How the fuck do you mix up a 13 year old and a 17 year old? Did the chcik look that young?

                                                                                        [–]Tor_Coolguy 313ポイント314ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                        When you're on a witch hunt details get a little hazy, like surnames and ages.

                                                                                        [–]RockasaurusRex 64ポイント65ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                        Every redditor should know that details get hazy during a witch-hunt.

                                                                                        [–]foe_to 138ポイント139ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                                        Look into the case where a pornstar had to literally fly out to testify on trial that she was of age because she looked so young.

                                                                                        The people in that case were fucking idiots too though. Officially licensed DVD, but nobody could be assed to pull the company's records to verify the girl's age. Instead, she just "looks under 18!" and we get a pediatrician to testify to it. If the pornstar hadn't flown out to testify the guy would probably be in jail. Fucking people.

                                                                                        http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/porn-star-helps-new-york-pizza-guy-escape-jail-sentence-in-puerto-rico/story-fn3dxity-1225857833498

                                                                                        [–]blackswanflu 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                        In Australia there is (hopefully was) some ban on porn displaying women with very small breasts :( because they might "appear" to be underage WTF sorry to be a shitlord but that is really not cool body shaming how many healthy adult women look without surgery

                                                                                        [–]TheTjTerror 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                        I don't understand why they couldn't pull records though.

                                                                                        [–]Nuttin_Up [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        They could have but the desire to get a conviction outweighed the desire for justice.

                                                                                        [–]torah_sam 45ポイント46ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                        I know of the Little Lupe case. Only porn stars care enough about their fans to do that. Ana Kendrick or JLAW wouldn't help a fan who likes to jerk it to them

                                                                                        [–]illegaljokes 37ポイント38ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                        To be fair, JLaw doesn't want people to look at her nude pics. The situation is quite different.

                                                                                        [–]Trashcanman33 53ポイント54ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        I'm imagining he meant Jude Law, gotta cover both sides.

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                                                                                          [–]LordElrondd 21ポイント22ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                                                          My girlfriend is 20 but she looks like she's 15...

                                                                                          It happens.

                                                                                          [–]Alibear 14ポイント15ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                                          I'm 21 and people still ask me if I'm in high school. :/ I feel her pain.

                                                                                          [–]Seanatronic 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          I'm 28 and was at a casino and went into a restaurant. They checked my ID because at that time, at least, you had to be 18 to get in.

                                                                                          -_-

                                                                                          [–]Velediron 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                          I'm turning 22 in less than a week and most people guess my age to be 16.

                                                                                          I'm a guy

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                                                                                                [–]mxzeal 279ポイント280ポイント  (65子コメント)

                                                                                                How the Fuck do they even catch shit like this I mean she's 17 I wonder how much valuable time was wasted that could of gone toward catching a real scum bag who has possession of more disturbing video/pictures

                                                                                                [–]PimpDaddyBleezy 220ポイント221ポイント  (61子コメント)

                                                                                                It was probably the parents of the 17 year old. Imagine if you had a daughter and you didn't like the guy she was dating and then found those pictures. I'd bet you'd call the cops if you could get the guy arrested

                                                                                                [–]Wobbyble 282ポイント283ポイント  (29子コメント)

                                                                                                "Yeah this guy has a slightly questionable relationship with my 17 y/o daughter because he's four years older than her. Let's have him arrested, put him on a list, and ruin the rest of his life for it, that'll show that we're good people."

                                                                                                21 year old guy with a 17 year old girl. I just graduated from high school and a lot of my female friends were dating guys 2-3 years older than them. An extra year is hardly a stretch.

                                                                                                Either way though, the guy is still fucking retarded for keeping what is legally defined as child pornography.

                                                                                                [–]dishayu 83ポイント84ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                                My ex-girlfriend's dad tried to do this to me when I was 20 (She was a couple months short of 18 at that time). My girlfriend saved my ass, even though we were going through a rough patch at the time and weren't talking to each other.

                                                                                                [–]Transcriber3 37ポイント38ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                                Not everyone would entertain the possibility of that being considered child porn.

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                                                                                                  [–]ThreeTimesUp 41ポイント42ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                  It was probably the parents of the 17 year old.

                                                                                                  I recall an Ann Landers column from many years ago (obviously), wherein a 17-18 year old girl wrote in to complain about her mother.

                                                                                                  The girl went on to list a number of things the mother did that were pretty clearly controlling behavior of a somewhat extreme nature.

                                                                                                  But the girl's primary complaint revolved around the mother's rules regarding either dating, curfew or maybe an open-door policy for her bedroom.

                                                                                                  Ann Landers made the observation that the parent was so controlling, she was attempting to control the girl's orgasms.

                                                                                                  tl;dr: Some parents have a really, really hard time accepting that their little child has become a sexual creature.

                                                                                                  [–]jjjaaammm 59ポイント60ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                                                                  I probably wouldn't. Well actually my daughter is 3 so in that case, but if she was 17 and it was clearly consensual I probably would not deflect my disappointment in her into ruining someone's life.

                                                                                                  [–]Wobbyble 62ポイント63ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                  My thoughts exactly. Are the parents even aware of what they're doing?? Your daughter is less than a year away from being a legal adult, calm the fuck down.

                                                                                                  [–]PimpDaddyBleezy 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                  It's a lot easier not to think when you're pissed off

                                                                                                  [–]Bucky_Barnes1 21ポイント22ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                                  The guy was 21 and she was 17? What's the big deal?

                                                                                                  [–]terminal11235813 36ポイント37ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                                  For me it would depend on the 21 year-old. When we were 23 my best friend met and started dating a 17 year-old. Lots of our friends talked shit, but the girl's mom liked him and had no problem with it. Ten years later they're married, so it worked out that time.

                                                                                                  Most of the times when you see a 21 year-old dating a girl in high school, though, they are complete sleazebags that use their access to things like a car, apartment, and alcohol to get with young girls that would otherwise not be impressed by any of that. If I was a father I would be very wary.

                                                                                                  [–]Monomorphic 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                  That's what I love about these high school girls, man. I get older, they stay the same age.

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                                                                                                        [–]izModar 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                        Reminds me of things I've read and heard of during my four years in Kentucky: Age of consent is 16-years-old, unless the parents have the money to throw at the police and a lawyer—someone ends up with a statutory rape charge.

                                                                                                        tl;dr: Corruption and money

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                                                                                                            [–]mrcharles2 88ポイント89ポイント  (46子コメント)

                                                                                                            If this actually angers you, stay far away from teen sexting. And Illinois/Florida and their underage sex laws. There are much, much worse cases than this.

                                                                                                            [–]NoobdaddyX 39ポイント40ポイント  (24子コメント)

                                                                                                            Not really angered, more like disturbed.

                                                                                                            [–]stupidN00bie 49ポイント50ポイント  (23子コメント)

                                                                                                            Agitated in the Jimmies

                                                                                                            [–]NoobdaddyX 35ポイント36ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                                                                                            I look at it this way: a justifiable law should be

                                                                                                            1) Protecting the public interest,

                                                                                                            2) Preventing harm, and

                                                                                                            3) Designed to punish bad people.

                                                                                                            I think the current laws regarding CP do this, and do this well. But when you start treating 17-year olds as "children" for the purposes of prosecution, they are no longer meeting those 3 goals.

                                                                                                            [–]Balrogic3 22ポイント23ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                                                                            It's even better when that's someone that's the legal age of consent during the act and consented beside, but their sex partner gets prosecuted like a brutal child rapist.

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                                                                                                                [–]Katastic_Voyage 30ポイント31ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                No more of this "the law is the law" shit used to defend less-than-ideal rules.

                                                                                                                Actually, fun story, "law is the law" doesn't apply to cops.

                                                                                                                http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/12/15/3603686/supreme-court-if-youre-a-cop-mistakes-about-the-law-wont-stop-your-drug-bust/

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                                                                                                                  [–]hazarada 220ポイント221ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                                                                  21 and 17 yearolds? Man gtfo of my court room, bring me an actual criminal.

                                                                                                                  [–]fuzzycuffs 400ポイント401ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                                                                                                  Admit a mistake? The police?

                                                                                                                  Hahhahahahahahahahahaha

                                                                                                                  [–]Big_Test_Icicle 195ポイント196ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                                                                                  This whole entire thing could have been avoided if one, just one, of the cops took one more look at the photo and compared it to the guy they were going to arrest. Heck, just ask the guy for a DL where HIS NAME IS RIGHT THERE. These cops are incompetent.

                                                                                                                  [–]k3nnyd 97ポイント98ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                                                  The article made it sound like the cops just asked "Are you Ryan?" "Yes." "Ok, "Ryan" you are under arrest for child porn!" Uhhh, maybe you should verify last names when arresting people for grievous felonies Mr. Cop.

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                                                                                                                    [–]hammeat 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                                    Just like an episode of Reno 911.

                                                                                                                    [–]welfarecuban 751ポイント752ポイント  (104子コメント)

                                                                                                                    All the officers involved in that illegal/wrongful detention should be fired. That level of incompetence is unacceptable when dealing with cases of such a sensitive nature. It's too easy to ruin the lives of innocent people if you are sloppy and cavalier and unprofessional in your work.

                                                                                                                    [–]nachoaddict 50ポイント51ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                                                    They asked if he was "Ryan". Not a full name, just a first name? Come on isn't it protocol to state the full name of the person you're looking for, especially if the guy looks different from the photo you have?

                                                                                                                    [–]Sootraggins 25ポイント26ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                                    In the article it infers that the police are blaming the manager for bringing them the wrong Ryan, not that they asked for Ryan and got the wrong one without checking. Because cops are infallible as everyone knows.

                                                                                                                    [–]TheTjTerror 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                    I mean what's the chance of there being more than one Ryan? /s

                                                                                                                    [–]egbertincognito 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                    Just bring us your least favorite, I guess. I didn't read the file, tbh.

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                                                                                                                        [–]lumloon 160ポイント161ポイント  (51子コメント)

                                                                                                                        They should also have their wages garnished.

                                                                                                                        [–]intensely_human 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                        But they checked his first name and everything!

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                                                                                                                          [–]yelle_ 109ポイント110ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                          police have all this equipment and authority to gather intelligence, but they don't have the intelligence to use it correctly.

                                                                                                                          [–]rammerpilkington 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                          Fuck this website for using two images of people of which neither were child pornographers.

                                                                                                                          [–]Teqnique_757 39ポイント40ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                          The guy they were going after is 21 and the "victim" of this incident is a 17 year old girl. I'm guessing the dude recorded the girl doing some shit to him or to her self and they broke up and shit just went bad for him.

                                                                                                                          [–]sawu101 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                                          This is why i dont judge people before a trial starts

                                                                                                                          [–]dIoIIoIb 29ポイント30ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                                          "we're looking for ryan fultz, do you know any ryan?"

                                                                                                                          "i know a guy called ryan kilgore..."

                                                                                                                          "50% is correct, good enough for me, let's go get him"

                                                                                                                          [–]mrcharles2 169ポイント170ポイント  (34子コメント)

                                                                                                                          I won't go as far as to say a mass firing is in order-they fucked up, but they fixed it as soon as they could. Mistakes get made, and if a mistake that is that easy to make is actually going to hurt this man then it's a sign the system itself is flawed, not really the people in it.

                                                                                                                          That said, if the information was released to the public, they should be civilly liable for slander, or libel.

                                                                                                                          Also, does anyone want to talk about this?

                                                                                                                          A police spokesperson originally told WAVY the victim was 13 years old, but upon further review, police now say the victim was 17.

                                                                                                                          "This [Kultz, actual offender] was a 21-year-old kid who is half my size"

                                                                                                                          So not only are we dealing with a case where we have mistaken identity for a crime, the actual crime itself is a 21 year old producing "Child porn" of a 17 year old-in other words, what is basically a non-crime. 17 year old's are legal in almost every state, and for a 21 year old I think 17 year old's are legal in all but two or three (Illinois, Missouri...Maybe a few others. Illinois has horrifically broken sex offender laws and Missouri has very limited close-in-age defenses) states.

                                                                                                                          Edit: Looked up the states again. Sexual conduct is illegal in this case in exactly five states; Virgina, Florida, Arizona, California, and North Dakota. It might be illegal in Idaho and Oregon, depending on exact ages (three year exception). Only Florida and Arizona would treat this case severely; all others downgrade to a misdemeanor and remove sex offender registration. So does Florida, but then they would lock the guy up for 2.5 years anyway. Fuck Florida.

                                                                                                                          Oh, and for the record, I just found out that the "close" in age exception for Delaware and Utah is ten years. Actually, for Delaware, it's "must be 30". That's for this age range and not all cases, but Jesus Christ, just make the age of consent 16 and be done with it.

                                                                                                                          The only problem is that this does not apply to filming it in any way shape or form, because...I really have no idea. It makes no sense.

                                                                                                                          [–]vanishplusxzone 111ポイント112ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                                                                                                          It may be legal in many states for a 21 year old to have sex with a 17 year old, but it is never legal for 17 year olds to be in porn in the US.

                                                                                                                          (Have I really been downvoted for stating literal fact? Oh my. Never change, reddit.)

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                                                                                                                            [–]Tyr808 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                            I'd say both this as well as being falsely accused of rape ABSOLUTELY needs to be mandatory to come with a public apology if proven innocent. These crimes are so heinous and demonized (rightly so) that simply being not in jail isn't enough. This shit can permanently ruin a man's (or woman, but let's be honest) life and career.

                                                                                                                            I'm not going to get into what evidence needs to be presented or what should happen to the false accuser's, because that's a whole different can of worms, but if indeed innocence is proven, it MUST be publicly and widely announced or the damage is never truly undone.

                                                                                                                            [–]throwaway3096u 26ポイント27ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                                            Knew someone who was falsely accused of possessing child porn, he had his mac/laptop/equipment confiscated.

                                                                                                                            Authorities investigated the accusation thorougly and found nothing.

                                                                                                                            But the damage was done, and his reputation ruined. When asked if he can sue for damages, they said not to pursue that course of action because rather than lose a case and have to pay compensation, the authorities may go out of their way to find (or plant) something to incriminate him.

                                                                                                                            [–]jmerridew124 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                            You know there's a problem when police actions become indistinguishable from gang retaliation.

                                                                                                                            [–]morganational 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                            Child porn of his 17 year old girlfriend? WTF?

                                                                                                                            [–]phantom_eight 50ポイント51ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                                                                                            Wait... If you read the story... they realized he was the wrong guy before they even took him down to the station. They let him go right there.

                                                                                                                            Now he demands a public apology... which makes the news... which means some random asshole who lives 487 miles away (me) and all the other random assholes all over the world (us) all have seen his picture and know about it.... where if he had just walked around his job and said... "WRONG GUY, they wanted Fultz!"... and then let it go... ugh I don't even know why the fuck I am talking....

                                                                                                                            http://i.imgur.com/bGaA2dw.jpg

                                                                                                                            [–]Zaphod2Heads 20ポイント21ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                                            That was my first thought.

                                                                                                                            Normally a public apology would be the right thing to ask for but in this case if I was him I'd much rather the whole thing is ignored and never makes it to the news or the internet.

                                                                                                                            Now he's just the "child porn guy."

                                                                                                                            [–]Sootraggins 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                            Or hopefully "falsely accused child porn guy that got an apology like any human being should."

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                                                                                                                              [–]RoboticElfJedi 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                                              Yes. He was never accused of anything, just mistakenly detained at his work place. A harrowing experience no doubt, but not in line with the comments ITT which sound as if they dragged his name through the mud for months until he was cleared.

                                                                                                                              [–]teamshinanagin 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                              ITT people who didn't read the article I mean seriously the manager gave them the wrong guy and when they found out they let him go and didn't take him in. Only people that knew were his co-workers and they would have found out right after he wasn't in the wrong

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                                                                                                                                [–]shadow_catt 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                He deserves at the very least an apology. This is a stain that never washes off, and I love how they originally made it sound a LOT worse by saying the victim was 13 when she was 17; they knew what they were doing, police and prosecutors love making people found with REAL (or in this case not) CP out to be bigger monsters than they are by spreading horrible, often incorrect details about the victims. I'm not defending people that download CP at all, they need to face punishment, but this is far from the first time this has happened. LE has got such a hard on for CP (no pun intended) offenders these days because it's a newish toy in their toolbox. I know of a man in Missouri that was accused of trying to meet an underage girl he'd talked to online, and he spent time in jail before his lawyer challenged the evidence; turned out it was his neighbor. But he was damaged beyond repair with the allegation/arrest. He had to move and start his own business because he couldn't find work.

                                                                                                                                Poor guy... I hope he gets justice for this.

                                                                                                                                [–]Cojemos 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                                                So a guy is arrested for child pornography for being with a 17 year old. Yet that rapper Tyga (25) is with Kylie Jenner (17) and no one questions it. Why are there two justice systems in the USA?

                                                                                                                                [–]fightlymp666 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                That's a completely reasonable request, the fact he has to sue to get it done is atrocious.

                                                                                                                                [–]kornbred 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                What a terrible way to find out your manager doesn't know your last name.

                                                                                                                                [–]pilto 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                I left my phone at Lowes a couple weeks ago on accident. Another customer found it and for whatever reason, decided to go through my pictures. There are hundreds of pictures on there but in the middle of the pack where a couple I had taken of my son playing in a mud puddle. Yes, he was naked. Well, the person that found my phone took it to the manager of the store and insisted they call the police because they had found "child porn" on it.

                                                                                                                                Lowes proceeded to let that person just walk out of the store with my phone. It was turned in to the police and I got a call to come pick up my phone at the police station and to bring ID.

                                                                                                                                When I got there, the cop told me what had happened with the phone and gave it back. I got lucky and got a cop that wasn't a complete fucking moron. Had another cop, one of the more common stupid fuckers gotten my phone and decided to make a thing of it, CPS would have taken my son away THAT DAY and I would likely have been charged with possession of child porn.

                                                                                                                                People are fucking crazy.

                                                                                                                                [–]Samurai_Shoehorse 17ポイント18ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                                                                                but upon further review, police now say the victim was 17.

                                                                                                                                Yo but that's kind of scary. How does one know the age of someone who's just a picture, or a video?

                                                                                                                                [–]Balrogic3 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                Judicial/prosecutorial fiat. They declare it so and it is thus.

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                                                                                                                                  [–]Pontus_Pilates 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                  The podcast 'Crimial' did an episode of a man who saw himself on TV, wanted as a suspect in a child porn case: http://thisiscriminal.com/episode-fourteen-the-fifth-suspect-1-9-2014/

                                                                                                                                  Of course he was the wrong guy, but he did lose his job and his home.

                                                                                                                                  [–]god_from_the_machine 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                  This is what's wrong with our system. They can take you, purposely humiliate you publicly at work, clearly make a mistake but expect you to just deal with it. A public apology should be standard to repair the damage they do to people's reputations.

                                                                                                                                  Consider yourself lucky we didn't rough you up citizen. Have a pleasant day.

                                                                                                                                  [–]Tongue_Puncher 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                  How fucking hard is it to double-check the name?

                                                                                                                                  [–]WASSHOI 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                                                  Honestly, the whole witch hunt needs to be killed off. Destroying anyone's life for a thought crime is disgusting. If you aren't harming anyone, I frankly could give zero shits about what you're into or what substances you throw into your body.

                                                                                                                                  The thought that someone's life could be ruined for viewing digital material they had zero contribution in is terrible. I don't care what you're looking at, it doesn't warrant having your life ruined.

                                                                                                                                  [–]Dangerous_Skank 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                  They thought the victim was five years younger and they arrest the wrong guy. This police department needs to get its shit together.

                                                                                                                                  [–]Nicholas_ 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                  And a hell of a lot of compensation.

                                                                                                                                  [–]egbertincognito 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                                  Yes. This will ruin him. Not even the act, but just the accusation. People love to talk. A public apology and explanation would help him so greatly.

                                                                                                                                  [–]quicheanus 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                                  What the hell is so difficult about saying "are you Ryan lastname"???????? Literally would have avoided this whole mess.

                                                                                                                                  [–]mantarlourde 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                  Ah child porn laws, an effective way to either curb production or ruin someone you don't like's life using only a few kb of carefully planted data...

                                                                                                                                  [–]Arkele 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                                  That's a completely reasonable request, the fact he has to sue to get it done is atrocious.

                                                                                                                                  [–]GuttersnipeTV 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                                                                  He just wants a public apology. He doesn't even want cash. If I were a public official id hand that over on a silver platter and simply say "sorry guise, shit happens"

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