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[–]theOtrumpet 102ポイント103ポイント  (30子コメント)

I can't figure out the sex crimes. Yes, it is horrible, that much I get but why are they so...amplified?

Murderers are bad but if you mention that they raped their victims before killing them then they are somehow 1000x worse. If they tortured victims it would be an eh, if they raped them before the murder then it gets a much more extreme reaction.

[–]Rick554 103ポイント104ポイント  (10子コメント)

Torture killings most definitely don't get an "eh."

[–]theOtrumpet 46ポイント47ポイント  (7子コメント)

Compared to rape-killings they certainly seem to get an "eh" if the handful of soccer mom and miscellaneous middle aged housewife reactions I've seen mean anything.

[–]iambear 37ポイント38ポイント  (1子コメント)

I can't figure out the sex crimes. Yes, it is horrible, that much I get but why are they so...amplified?

Because it's easier to judge someone with a clear motive, especially something we can relate to.

Compared to rape-killings they certainly seem to get an "eh" if the handful of soccer mom and miscellaneous middle aged housewife reactions I've seen mean anything.

Because they understand sexual desire. They've felt it, and can truly empathize. So when they hear about a guy who went off and rape/killed, they are quick to judge that person because they think can understand why and think it was super evil for them to do that. When they hear about a torture/killing without rape, there's not that clear motive. All they can really think is "eh, glad they locked up that monster" because it's not something they understand.

[–]BlastedInTheFace 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Idk, tourture killings get you a cult following and a nice isolated cell. Rape killings gets you some time in genpop until they find you beaten and violated. If alive.

[–]NinjaRobotPilot [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You're right. They get six movies.

[–]Ebu-Gogo 49ポイント50ポイント  (9子コメント)

Because it turns something that is an incredibly intimate and personal act (sex) to many people into something that is violent and invasive.

Torture is equally violent and invasive, but the act itself isn't derived from a common, intimate and sensual act.

Rape gets such an extreme reaction because it's a crime that turns something extremely good and pleasurable into something extremely hurtful. It's a massive invasion of privacy and agency. It's the flip from one extreme end to the other that gets to people (and the victims themselves of course).

[–]Yellow_Odd_Fellow 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'd say that murdering some person is a much more invasive way into someone life, or at least.. Had a much larger impact on their life. That to me means it should be punished and have a bigger reaction that rape.

You can recover from a rape, you can't recover from being murdered.

[–]Blacksm1th 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

On the other hand, you have to deal with the aftermath of being assaulted for the rest of your life.

[–]mithfire 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

The point is, you still have the rest of your life. Murder, well, your life ended.

[–]AutismHour [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

This thread is about comparing rape-murder to murder, not rape to murder.

Murderers are bad but if you mention that they raped their victims before killing them then they are somehow 1000x worse. If they tortured victims it would be an eh, if they raped them before the murder then it gets a much more extreme reaction.

[–]mithfire [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Was responding to comment on thread...sigh...nothing more, nothing less

[–]AutismHour [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Comment this thread is about references comparing rape-murder to murder, not rape to murder.

Murderers are bad but if you mention that they raped their victims before killing them then they are somehow 1000x worse. If they tortured victims it would be an eh, if they raped them before the murder then it gets a much more extreme reaction.

[–]Metallio 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it's more likely the social focus on control of sex. It's the only wildly energetic primal instinct that seriously straddles legality, some bad and some good. This dichotomy trails back thousands of years with everything from politics to religion focusing on it and parents everywhere screaming at their children not to have sex and then exhorting them to produce grandchildren. It's confusing, frightening, and regularly takes us from our normal selves to something...more animal. Violence is essentially totally illegal, feeding yourself and finding shelter is simply legal, but the extraordinary utility in using sex to tie groups of people together makes it a political thing, the need to control progeny coupled with the need to breed makes it a painfully difficult to control confusing thing, and the intentional injection of control/violence into even normal sex makes it difficult to absorb into one's identity.

It's confusing, more important to us in the moment than survival even sometimes, and an important strategic tool...this makes it a powerful tool that gets out of hand constantly. Everyone understands the urge to murder and we can dislike someone for doing it but violence is a simple thing. Throw in the urge that we have to fight daily while embracing as soon as possible (sex) and people lose their goddamned minds.

[–]AutismHour [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It worries me when someone needs this explained past a certain age. And not in the "I know essentially why it's so bad, but can you put it into concrete words to express it properly?" vs "I literally don't get it. Why is rape SO bad out of all the terrible things?"

[–]Ithikari -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Torture is equally violent and invasive, but the act itself isn't derived from a common, intimate and sensual act.

Torture is usually used in a sexual way. It's to sate anger generally due to sexual desires but impotent.

[–]MyNameUsesEverySpace 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know if you watch television, but the West has grown a very strict cultural bias of "gratuitous violence is fine, but God help you if you show a nipple". Although I agree, crimes of a sexual nature are 'worse', I believe this stigma toward talking about nudity and sex in public has something to do with it. That, and Law and Order. Show terrified two generations of voters, letting them know its never too late to get raped. Dammit, Dick Wolf.

[–]agnostic_penguin 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

One reason is because a lot of people view "sexual purity" and the worth of a woman as being roughly equivalent. A second reason is because staunch religious conservatism and revulsion from all things sexual causes some people to never have a single independent intellectual thought about anything related to sex. A final and third thing is historical: Women's issues, rape and sexual violence were usually completely ignored by society. Now that there is a redistribution of power and increased sensibilities in society, these issues are getting revisited and there is, sometimes, and overreaction. If you look at the history though, it's pretty easy to see where it comes from. With murder, there was never a disagreement that it was bad. With rape? Well, historically, there was disagreement. We're still dealing with the fallout as a society.

[–]sbd104 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know I torture is not waved away.

[–]shadow_catt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it's amplification through proliferation of information in the internet age; witch hunts also whip like minded people into a fury. The whole campaign of 'stranger danger' also stressed to parents how horrible and scary strangers might be.

There's an interesting article at this website: http://www.corrections.com/news/article/30085-sex-offender-laws-are-based-on-rage-and-fear (sorry I don't know how to format).

[–]bluthscottgeorge 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You should read the Outsider, or The Stranger

SPOILERS BELOW:

It's a about a french guy (Mersault) who kills an arab, in a racist society, that probably wouldn't really give two shits about an arab, but he ends up in trouble during the trial, basically because of the person he is, he didn't cry at his mother's funeral etc, it ends up being a trial of his apathetic personality than a trial of his actions.

Thus proving that people don't give a shit what you do, as long as you cry at your mother's funeral.

[–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I've always wondered about that. There are a lot of anti-heroes on TV shows these days, and fans are totally fine with them killing people. But if you ever depicted them raping someone, then all of a sudden they're pure evil.

Like I remember in the end of Breaking Bad

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Where he poisons Lydia. Everyone was cheering that scene. But if he had raped her? All of a sudden that crosses a line.

[–]AutismHour [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Torturing victims before murdering them would not get an "eh" it would get an equally strong reaction as raping then torturing. If you truly have a disconnect between why rape + murder is so much worse than murder, the ELI5 version would be "because it's like stripping someone of their soul before murdering them".

[–]wontimeicountedtwoat 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

What if they rape them after killing them? Do people care as much?

[–]theOtrumpet 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't, lots of people do care as much though.

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