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[–]AJThaii 1729ポイント1730ポイント  (326子コメント)

Not particularly proud of the fact that I work at McDonalds, but in this one case I will bring it up so that I can help bring to light some of whats actually going to be happening when the kiosks come. My particular McDs currently has 4 tills on front counter. After the big change we will have 3 tills and 2 kiosks which can be used front and back apparently.

So right now it sounds like we will be cutting one person from each shift right? You have never been so wrong. Since the kiosks mean that we are able to take more orders at once we've split the jobs of assembling the orders and presenting the orders into 2 separate positions. This way we can get your order out to you faster as well as take your order faster.

Another thing about the kiosks is that the order will not appear on our screens until the order has been paid for. This prevents certain hooligans from punching in big orders and getting us to make their order only to cancel the whole thing. The only downside of this is that since entire orders will be popping up all at once, as opposed to how they would normally come up as the order is being punched in, there is more pressure on the food production area to pump out food at a decent speed. So in order to make up for this we will have more staffing in the backend as well.

Overall the kiosks are meant to help "elevate the guests' experience", not take our jobs.

TL;DR Kiosks mean more staffing and actual people will still be taking orders too.

[–]LevyWife 320ポイント321ポイント  (77子コメント)

now that's a side I haven't seen mentioned yet, but it makes sense. very interesting! thanks for sharing.

[–]nutbastard 227ポイント228ポイント  (73子コメント)

I work in pizza, I would take a pay cut to never have to answer the phone ever again.

No more stupid questions ("What kinda pizza do y'all have?"), no shitty phone connections, no people calling and putting me on hold (yes this happens; I immediately hang up)

Taking orders sucks. At my tiny shop if the phone is blowing up and we've got a lot of walk in customers, that means that no food is being made.

[–]DoctorWaluigiTime 111ポイント112ポイント  (18子コメント)

Online ordering is the best thing to happen to restaurants, for customers and employees alike.

[–]nutbastard 65ポイント66ポイント  (14子コメント)

Only if the online system is solid and doesn't allow nonsense orders.

Ours does and we are constantly at the mercy of people who want to order a pepperoni pizza with no pepperoni, pepperoni, and no green bell peppers.

[–]MidnightButcher 38ポイント39ポイント  (2子コメント)

Or none pizza with left beef

[–]charlesmarker 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Silly? Yes.

Ridiculous? Yes.

But, if it's what you want to order, go for it.

[–]erveek 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Only if the online system is solid and doesn't allow nonsense orders.

But how will I get karma if I don't have the underpaid people draw a dinosaur in a tutu on the box?

[–]DoctorWaluigiTime 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Oh yeah, that'd be the worst. Because that's like a small guarantee that you have to handle the messed-up order situation or the derpy user situation.

[–]gafgalron 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

I got one the other day. they want a pepperoni pizza minus pepperoni. so just cheese right? wrong. "it is a pepperoni pizza minus pepperoni how hard is you job what are you stupid"

[–]chishire_kat 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's when you make them pay the full price for a pepperoni pizza. Going to be a dumb shit. No cheaper pizza for you

[–]gafgalron 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

we run a lg 1 topping for 6.99 anyway, if you order cheese it defaults to extra cheese for your topping so same price.

[–]relativebeingused 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well.. Sometimes places use less cheese on a pepperoni pizza than on cheese pizza no? It's that, trolling, or they think there is another difference between a cheese and pepperoni pizza (maybe a slightly different sauce?). Actually, if you cook it with the pepperonis and take them off, the cheese probably tastes a bit different too from the pepperoni grease, but it's not like they were asking for that. Prolly trolling. Either way, total dickhead.

[–]dugmartsch 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"What does minus mean to you?"

[–]Synnerrs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd like beef on the left side of the pizza and none pizza please.

[–]funnygreensquares 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Or that it actually works. We ordered and paid. 45 minutes later still no delivery. Called the place, which is what I was avoiding, and found out somehow the order didn't come through our they didn't check their online orders. Wait another 45 minutes at which point we were not only starved but nearly done and about to leave.

[–]tayitude 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This happened to us so many times using Mealeo that we swear never again.

[–]bluntmasterflash 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I like talking to people. I'll go somewhere that costs a bit more if they have good people that I like talking to.

[–]DoctorWaluigiTime 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you're in a line at a fast food place, I don't think you actually have time to strike up a conversation with the person taking your order.

[–]bluntmasterflash 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea, now that I think about it, I never go to McDonalds. That shit is gross.

[–]DrphdCake 9ポイント10ポイント  (7子コメント)

In Sweden we use OnlinePizza. I don't have to speak to people anymore.

[–]s00prtr00pr 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

How about when the guy shows up? But swedes also have had these kiosks at Max (burger fast-food like McDonalds) for like 10 years lol!

[–]dwarfHamPlanet 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm envisioning a mail slot wide enough for a pizza box...

[–]s00prtr00pr 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

And a small sign that lights up with the text "Get the fuck out of here" after inserting the pizza

[–]dan1101 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wish my local Pizza Hut felt like that. Maybe their system doesn't work well but most of the time when I order online they don't have it ready on time. They act like they just got the order 2 min before I got there.

[–]zf420 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hmm I've ordered tons of pizzas online from Pizza Hut and they're always ready right at the scheduled time, sometimes a minute or two late. Sounds like you have a shitty franchise.

[–]Dustinthemighty 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm a general manager of a Domino's. I can't agree with this more. If all my drivers are on deliveries and I have no inside help every minute I'm on the phone with a customer who insists on me going through the entire menu is wasted time I can be making other customer's orders. I would love a kiosk like this at my store for the walk in customers.

[–]UBK8815 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

To this day i avoid ever talking to people on the phone dur to the trauma of answering phones at papa johns.

[–]relativebeingused 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I always use online ordering for pizza when I can. I never know what's going to happen when I call a pizza place and it can be unpleasant. I'm very polite, enunciate and always give my full attention. I used to purchase things on the phone as part of my job so I know how to communicate on the phone.

The minor inconveniences include often having to repeat my name or parts of my order because it's too noisy on the other end when I call, especially one place in particular, or my cellphone randomly cutting out (I've never heard anyone say that this happened when calling in an order though). Other times they just sound like they have a shitty tone and attitude.

It must be that often the pizza place employee has little to no work experience on the phone, or if they're really young maybe the only time they talk on the phone is with their grandparents and the rest of the time they text and this leads them to not communicate properly. That or they're just not giving me their full attention because they don't have a customer looking right at them.

Oftentimes, it's like they have no sense of tone or rhythm when I'm going to order multiple things and the way I'm saying it very clearly suggests I am not done yet and they say "is that it?" after the first item, then the second. Same deal with fast food places. But I also live in a city and area where there are lots of uneducated poor people who are generally rude as fuck for no good reason so maybe I'm not harsh sounding enough.

Sometimes, they pick up and I say I'd like to place an order and they don't let me know if they are ready or not so there's just silence and they never say "go ahead" or "hold on a sec" but it goes on long enough without a word and I talk and then it becomes clear they weren't ready. Or I say "ready?" and they sound all defensive and bitchy like what you couldn't read my mind? Also, very often they don't acknowledge that they got the first thing down with a simple "okay" and are ready to hear the second item but there's a long enough pause for me to continue and then they might interrupt me or tell me to repeat everything.

There are just so many more ways the conversation can go wrong and lots of people just don't have any phone etiquette or awareness and so I just prefer to order online when I can. Also seems to reduce the possibility they hear my order incorrectly and make the wrong thing.

[–]FirstDivision 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Last time I ordered carry out pizza from Dominos the two counter employees were busy taking orders. I thought to myself "people still call in orders?"

I ordered from the side of the road on my way back from work (there's a spot I can pull over that is just about the perfect distance away so it's ready when I get there), on my phone, using their app which has my credit card info saved.

[–]AlanMallagan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I used to do almost the same thing. I would order from Pizza Pizza on my phone while at work, and set the pick up time for when I knew I would be walking past the place on my way home.

Online ordering, especially for ordering things in advance, is fantastic.

[–]platinum_peter 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Working at a pizza place really helped me realize just how fucking stupid half the population is.

"What do you mean you can't put corn on my pizza?"

"What do you mean you can't make a raw pizza, put it in the box, and let me take it home and bake it myself?"

"I order 46 minutes ago and was told my pizza would be delivered in 45 minutes, I want a refund!!!!"

"What toppings do you have?"

"Hmm, I don't know what I want"

People, spend 5 minutes BEFORE you dial the pizza place and figure your shit out.

[–]whwwwhw 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Please hold for an important order from one of your customers! <elevator music>"

[–]Morticeq 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

'What deals do you have?'

'X pizza Y how can I help you?' 'Is it x pizza y?'

'Hello I want to make order for delivery, umm, just wait a sec.' - I'm waiting around a minute for him, while having two other customers on hold.

[–]Occamslaser 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

My favorite question is "Are you open?"

[–]Morticeq 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

If we're not, I'm not answering the phone, simple as that, yet no one seems to get it.

On this topic: My manager had a very long and angry call from a customer, who tried calling us and ordering at about 5.30 am, and couldn't understand that we close shop at 4am and open at noon.

[–]ObliviousIrrelevance 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Hey you got pizza over there?"

[–]Username__Irrelevant 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you not have just eat or a service like that where people can order online? In the UK I would say the number of people still phoning takeaways is tiny since they are pretty much all part of a service like that

[–]dragon0069 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I worked at a local pizza joint. I can agree.

Me answering phone: Hi, what can I get for you?

Them yelling at their friends: What kind of pizzas do you guys want?

Me: (Eye twitching)

[–]Astropops 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

My favorite is "how many slices in your large pizza?" People don't think to ask the size of the pizza. Also like "how many will that feed?"

[–]hatervision 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Hey, are you guys open?"

[–]tornadoRadar 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you guys have any pizza?

[–]TheUltimatum13 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Last time I saw someone talking about kiosks in fast food places this was pretty much the same result. No one is losing their jobs from them yet, they are just getting repositioned. So people from the front are getting moved to helping in the back and drive through and what not. The kiosks seem to be creating higher demand for staff actually. Kind of cool that this is what is happening so far.

[–]cara123456789 35ポイント36ポイント  (38子コメント)

I work at maccas too. Also at the moment nobody seems to want to use them. Hell half the customers can't even use the fucking eftpos machine.

[–]CMDR_GnarlzDarwin 48ポイント49ポイント  (30子コメント)

I went to The Melt in Burbank, and they had 1 teller and 2 ipads with the square app, but the teller was alone at the counter and the squares were 10-15ft back from that near the entrance when you line up, there were 6 people in line in front of me patiently waiting so I asked, "did you guys use this thing to order and are waiting for your food?"

They all said no, they were waiting to order.

I had a mini stroke at their terrible choices and when I recovered I ordered on the ipad and received my food before 4 out of the 6 people in line.

People are scared of change.

[–]KSKaleido 15ポイント16ポイント  (21子コメント)

B-but there's weird buttons that other people might've touched... That's grooooss.

[–]CMDR_GnarlzDarwin 13ポイント14ポイント  (18子コメント)

In my case it was all people in their mid 30s or higher, I think they looked at it coming in and went "What the fuck is this, I want FOOD?"

[–]Croaton 17ポイント18ポイント  (10子コメント)

Dude... As someone who just turned 35 that "mid 30s" jab hurt... ;)

Do kids really see us as grampas? We were the original smartphone generation... wernt we?

[–]CMDR_GnarlzDarwin 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

to be fair, the sample I was working with was suburbanite yuppie fuckers, I promise I'm not calling everyone over 30 a nerd

[–]MalakElohim 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

We are. We're the last true generation who actually understand computers. (As a generation not as individuals). New technology works too well now so you don't have to understand it. Unlike when we grew up we were the tech people because if you didn't understand it, it didn't work.

[–]Archsys 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I'm an early millenial, and my parents pushed me into tech literacy (Own comp at 4, 'net access at 7 or so... raised on MUDs), but unless they actively went into tech, they're no better than the generation prior's worst.

The thing you guys had was a huge college/school push for tech literacy to prepare against the "wave of the future!", where we grew up with it, and everyone expects us to know it... thus never expecting us to need to learn.

I went into robotics (and gaming, I won't lie, was a huge part of that), but times are very different from what they were when I was a little kid...

[–]dugmartsch 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now it's all just annoying and frustrating UI decisions that make me feel like I'm 100. Flashing bios and fucking with registry? No problem. Insignificant problem with my smartphone? No fucking clue where to start.

[–]CowboyNinjaAstronaut 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are so correct, and it's funny you're getting downvoted by redditors who know they're tech savvy because they can download an app on their iPhones.

[–]Rikimaru03 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

you fucking right we are! Samsung Instinct!

[–]Stevelarrygorak 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

was it considered cool to have a pager or beeper when you were in high school?

[–]StJimmyIVth 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

37, proud tech guy..... Mildly offended j/k.

[–]fuckthiscrazyshit 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Late 30's engineer here. Get the fuck off my lawn. And your music sucks. And you weren't raised in a barn.

[–]AviAdi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually, that's a good point. I have to make sure I wash my hands right after using one of those things.

[–]StolenLampy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same thing when I go into Panera, tons of people in 1 line and open iPads everywhere...

[–]meules 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Our movie theater has a machine where you can buy the tickets from. Nobody ever used it, every time I go in there is a line of 40 people, I use the machine and go right by them. They all watch and then stay in line. Been going on for two years now.

[–]evilhamstermannw 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I see something similar all the time at the AMC theaters around here. Most of them have three or four ticket kiosks. When I go to a big release, say Jurassic World, there will be a huge line of people waiting to buy tickets from the one or two people at the window and no one using the kiosks. I will go buy my tickets and popcorn and be seated before most of the people in line have got there tickets.

[–]teflonsteve 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Some people want to take a moment from punching a screen all day and have a moment of social interaction.

[–]charliemurphyscouch 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

People like the interaction with another people. iPad not a people.

[–]mathketball 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or maybe you're just being taken advantage of by the company. Your use of the self ordering ipad is saving the company money and yet you're not really benefiting from it. You can justify it to yourself all you want that because you entered your order in correctly that it is a great deal, but you probably didn't get a discount for using it. Now all of a sudden the company is receiving free labor because you've been tricked into thinking that it is fun or cool.

[–]invaderzoom 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The first few times I saw them I was just pissed they took away seating to put them in and wouldn't go to them.... but I'm converted now. I pay with my card and bypass all the people waiting in line.

[–]DoctorWaluigiTime 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would love to have these things at the restaurants I visit. It's why I order online whenever possible: Just pick what I want, knowing exactly what everything will cost, and pay immediately. Makes going to get the food in question a breeze, and removes ambiguity/potential for mishearing orders/etc.

[–]SaddestClown 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The McDonald's a few towns over has had the test system for at least 5 years and very few people use it.

[–]slash196 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Confirmed british.

[–]Zouden 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Definitely Australian. British people don't have eftpos and I don't think they call it maccas.

[–]Tovora 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll always go to an employee to order, purely because I feel as though someone is losing their job to one of these stupid machines.

[–]FreshHotTakes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it is like the self checkout lanes at grocery stores. People really don't like to do their own work at all.

[–]notevenapro 58ポイント59ポイント  (22子コメント)

Overall the kiosks are meant to help "elevate the guests' experience", not take our jobs.

Supply and demand. Sooner or later some people are going to lose their jobs. Your theory that more people will order faster and require more people assembling food in the back is 100% depending on more people ordering food.

Your customer base is not an endless stream of people waiting to get in. People do not avoid coming in just because there is a long line and there are not long lines throughout the day. An infinite amount of customers is not how this works.

It is like the self check outs at grocery stores. Cashiers lost their jobs.

[–]Deslyn 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

People do not avoid coming in just because there is a long line

Going to have to disagree with you on that one. There have been many times when people have come in to the local McDonald's, saw the huge line, and walked right out of the restaurant.

[–]meules 3ポイント4ポイント  (15子コメント)

Every store I see that has self checkouts, they are always empty and the cashiers lines are full.

[–]staplesgowhere 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

I wish I shopped at your store. Mine are always clogged up with people who can't figure out how to scan a bar code.

[–]drewbdoo 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

True, the one or two cashier lines are full. There used to be a lot. See all those other register lanes where there is no cashier? Yeah, those used to be manned by people.

[–]sirdrizzzle 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I only use self checkout when buying a lot of organic vegetables.

[–]BulgeBracket 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are few people who have smart phones but do not know how to effectively use a self-checkout.

[–]slangwitch 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

If I'm spending hundreds of dollars at a store then I'm not scanning and bagging my own stuff.

[–]Archsys 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Depends entirely on where you live. I don't think I've ever seen a cashier lane full if self-check is available, except maybe at a walmart...

[–]namelessted 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

I feel like these kiosks will have a similar effect to ordering pizza online. People scoffed when Pizza Hut added online ordering but now everybody does it. For men, i only order online now, I absolutely hate having to talk to somebody on some shitty phone with all sorts of noise that takes twice as long and you have to repeat yourself 6 times what toppings you want.

It isn't about minimizing personal contact, it is about the accuracy of ordering exactly what you want.

[–]Boise13 36ポイント37ポイント  (4子コメント)

So in order to make up for this we will have more staffing in the backend as well.

This is what they are telling you, but this is probably not the truth. They will have as many as they need, and nothing more. The truth is that this is to reduce headcount.

[–]Badb0ybilly 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

This. Op's description only applies to 3 short heavy rush periods of the day. The rest of the day when things are slower. Everything in the back is the same as it used to be, and there's one less person needed at the front.

they will have as many as they need, and nothing more.

Spot on. No business ever employs more or less people than they absolutely need to run the business (well, successful businesses I guess. Some companies are dumb and do t follow this rule). Doesn't matter what the minimum wage is or how high taxes are, you hire as many people as you need to function. If you hire too many, you have people standing around, if you hire too few, you won't be able to keep up with customer demand and you'll drown.

And where a person used to do something that is now done by a machine, that person, sooner or later will be looking for work. Because if there was need for another person in the back before, they'd have hired a person to do it.

[–]Boise13 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yea, I actually worked at Mcds once. I cant imagine the staffing will change much in the back. The machines will act pretty similar to how an actual human will act, concerning orders being taken and received.

[–]xdert 79ポイント80ポイント  (69子コメント)

Overall the kiosks are meant to help "elevate the guests' experience", not take our jobs.

You say that now, but burger making robots is no longer science fiction but can and probably will become reality in the next couple of years.

[–]Jossip_ 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

My thoughts exactly. Of course they aren't going to tell their employees their jobs are more at risk, they'll just make the "oh we can take more orders at once, so we'll need more people".

[–]EchoesOfSanity 26ポイント27ポイント  (10子コメント)

This is absolutely correct, and not just for McDonalds. One of the biggest problems restaurant chains have is that their products differ slightly depending on who is making them.

Somebody making a Costco chicken bake in Florida was probably trained differently than somebody making one in Utah. Or maybe the guy at Taco Bell is higher than usual and only gives you half the beef you're used to.

Robots will ensure that customers will receive exactly what they are expecting every time they place an order.

[–]CowboyNinjaAstronaut 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

I was at a Taco Bell in Colorado recently. Everybody was high. Everybody was high as fuck. The employees. The customers. So high.

[–]FukinGruven 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can confirm: Got high as fuck this morning, looked around and was in a Taco Bell.

[–]indrion 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think a stoned employee would skimp you on the beef. If anything you might end up trying to figure out what to do with the extra scoop of ground beef at the bottom of the bag. Or why they wrapped your drink with a tortilla like it was a burrito.

[–]dead138 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

People are cheaper than robots.

[–]EchoesOfSanity 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not in the long run. You pay for a robot once and simple maintenance. People you pay forever.

[–]Diplomjodler 9ポイント10ポイント  (51子コメント)

Nope. You'd be surprised at the complexity of assembling a Big Mac from a robotics point of view. Sure, it's going to happen. But not as soon as most people think.

[–]assnova 28ポイント29ポイント  (27子コメント)

burger robot in action!

My dad told me that when cake instant cake mix came out, you didn't have to add eggs. Sales plummeted because it crossed a line where people didn't feel like they were making their own cake, so they reformulated it to needing to add eggs.

[–]Diplomjodler 15ポイント16ポイント  (22子コメント)

And why didn't that catch on, pray tell? I could give you a lot of reasons off the top of my head why this wouldn't work in practice, especially at an individual restaurant level:

  • Mechanical complexity will make setting it up a nightmare.
  • Will be very sensitive to small variations in product. While you can standardise your buns and patties, you'll have no such luck with your tomatoes and lettuce, which are sourced locally.
  • Way too big.
  • Inflexible. That thing can make one type of burgers, maybe two. But what about producing twenty menu items on demand?
  • Difficult to maintain and operate. Factories with assembly lines have maintenance staff on call. Your average burger joint doesn't.

[–]assnova 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, that was from the 60's, and it's easy to find videos of more advanced burger robots that aren't quite ready for mass deployment. I guess I was trying to demonstrate the push and pull between robotic advancements and the flip side of human nature's resistance to change [edit] and desire for human contact.

[–]ocassionallyaduck 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is already totally standard for pre packaged burgers however. And tech has advanced by magnitudes. While you need a human for upkeep and maintenance, you don't need them quite as much as you seem to think. Check each segment on a rotating schedule once every fifteen minutes. Specialized scraper to keep fingers away from blades, and built in whet stone to extend blade life.

Have a new position at the central factory in each district, that already sources and delivers the produce to rip and leaf the lettuce at a central location (until this is automated), load it when it arrives, and make it the final step in prep, run it by a trimmer first to bring size down within tolerance and drop it on.

I'm not even an engineer and it's perfectly feasible to create when you have an operation on the scale of McDonald's, Wal-Mart, etc.

It's not a bad thing either. Getting a consistent, quality burger is good. And it's not gonna happen tomorrow, but we're talking burger in >1-2 minutes from button press here. We don't need that, but can you imagine how much better drive throughs would be?

[–]crowscountingspades 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Gee...did you ever notice the complexities of driving? The variances in pavement, signage, road paint?

Great use of bullets though -- they really make an argument appear authoritative.

LEFT OUT OTHER DRIVERS!!! Loads of variance there!

[–]Diplomjodler 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm a bit disappointed that my lovingly crafted bullet points didn't convince you.

[–]not_perfect_yet 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

It will eventually though, right now we have 50 years worth of advances in computing and sensor technology more than they had.

[–]Diplomjodler 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure. Eventually. But not in the next five years.

[–]xJRWR 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Difficult to maintain and operate. Factories with assembly lines have maintenance staff on call. Your average burger joint doesn't.

I work retail tech support, 50$ a hour and we get a tech within a hour per our contract with them, and we have contracts with some shitty hole in the wall places

[–]Flipnkraut 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm sure all the factory workers before the first mechanical assembly line was created said the same things.

[–]3n1g 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you are thinking about robotic arms, sure.

But a regular assembly line can do it just as fast without much hassle and even less waste.

[–]I4dcQsEpLzTHvD1qhlDE 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

We have robots that debone lamb. That is much more complex and difficult than assembling a burger. It is purely a matter of the cost coming down enough to be cheaper than staff.

[–]AnhydrousEtOH 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

You'd be surprised at the complexity of assembling a car from a robotics point of view. We've had those for decades.

[–]Jossip_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

They have self driving cars. I'm pretty sure they can design something to squirt special sauce on a slab of meat.

[–]sollord 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can see automated grilling coming soon but even an automated burger machine should be relatively simple if not cheap especially for McDonald's. I'm sure cheap is the biggest issue compared to complexity

[–]inawordno 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Here is a patent a little older than me that assembles more than one type of burger, along with nuggets etc.

I'm wondering if I've missed something about what is so complex about it. The assembly is not really the difficult part.

You've talked in the next comment about implementation being an issue. I don't really agree with many of your points. I also think the simplest explanation is that it is just currently cheaper to pay a human to do it. I don't think that will stay that way for another, say, 20 years.

[–]forwardpasskin 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

its so complex they need $15/hour

[–]Diplomjodler 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, I don't know what kid of wages the robot union is going to be asking for.

[–]Droidaphone 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, once the robots are 'close-enough,' they'll change the big mac to accommodate them.

[–]AnticitizenPrime 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know what would be even cheaper and easier for a burger joint? To just have a 'burger bar', like a salad bar, where a customer assembles their own burger. You'd have one guy grilling patties and one guy taking the payment, someone keeping the topping bar stocked and working a deep fryer I guess.

[–]p75369 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They already are. They're so expensive to run that the only way they are at all profitable is if you factor in the increased tourist revenue from the surrounding area from people coming for the novelty.

We area still many many many years from robotics being in a place that can replace humans in such a variable environment.

[–]Stevelarrygorak 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think a fully automated kitchen is going to be feasible for the big fast food chains in the next few years. Maybe a place like 5 guys where the menu is very limited but looking at the McDonalds menu I think they would need at least4-5 specialized sandwich/fry making robots to maintain their current menu.

I gotta imagine maintence would be a huge problem for all the 24/7 places. Are the franchises really going to invest all the upfront money needed to fully automate the kitchen and have enough spare parts on hand to keep all of them running 24/7? Gonna be a very steep investment.

Human's aren't a perfect staffing solution but at least if bob calls out sick someone else can come in or things can be shuffled around to get through the shift while still serving food. What happens when the premium sandwich making maching has a catastrophic failure and the parts needed to get it up and running aren't going to come in for 3-5 days?

[–]DevoxNZ 14ポイント15ポイント  (23子コメント)

What's wrong with working at McDonalds? it's only one of the biggest companies in the world.

[–]Diplomjodler 35ポイント36ポイント  (13子コメント)

McDonalds is still a synonym for mind-numbing, dead-end jobs with shitty pay and working conditions (they're not called "McJobs" by accident) even though that may not be as true as it used to be.

[–]nutbastard 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would never call fast paced service jobs mind-numbing. In fact there's a lot going on and you're doing 5 things at once.

Mind numbing would be more like working in a call center. I interviewed for a position at Netflix and after I really saw what the job was, and what it was like, by the end of the interview I turned them down. And I really really needed the money. All it was were ignorant people calling to complain that they haven't gotten their DVD's or that they came out of order (it's an option that THEY select) and this lady is just sitting there taking it, saying the same shit over and over again.

I currently work in a busy pizza joint. In another life I was a drafter and engineer for 6 years. My job only approaches mind numbing when it's slow, and even then you just find a cleaning project for yourself.

[–]DoctorWaluigiTime 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

An unfortunate stereotype. It's why I don't like the term "unskilled labor". I fully admit and realize there are tons of jobs (under the "skilled" category) that take more mental effort or more specialized training, but put a person who's never worked in fast food before in the middle of a lunch rush and then tell me that said job is "unskilled."

[–]Diablo_ 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

The job is unskilled because you don't need a college degree or any technical training to perform the job.

[–]Diplomjodler 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sorry to say that, but how long does it take to learn that job? Anything you can pick up in a week or so counts as unskilled.

[–]LukyNumbrKevin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

McDonald's in not a mind numbing job, it's actually pretty fast paced and if you have a good group of people around you, it can be pretty fun. The conditions are also not bad and McDonald's has pretty strict cleanliness standards.

Yes maybe the pay isn't the best but your flipping burgers, and it could lead to a managerial position like it almost did with me until I went to college.

My first job ever was at McDonald's and if I had to do it all over again I wouldn't change, working at McDonald's was a great experience.

[–]crowscountingspades 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thousands of cashiers and cooks who worked their way up and now run or own their own McD's would disagree.

It's only a dead end job if someone is unwilling to learn, work hard and treat customers as assets.

[–]rbt321 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

dead-end jobs

They're not really dead-end jobs. McDonalds is one of the few companies that actually still promotes rather than hiring new staff for high up positions. It's just a very shallow company; many line-cooks, few upper managers so you need to really stand out but many senior executives started out cooking fries.

Silicon Valley IT jobs are dead-end jobs. You have to change companies in order to get a promotion; solid career path but dead-end jobs.

[–]Staynes 12ポイント13ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yea i dont get why someone has to be ashamed to have a job regardless of where it is.

[–]businessowl 42ポイント43ポイント  (5子コメント)

Because people constantly belittle McDonald's workers.

[–]Just_like_my_wife 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's not the 90's anymore, jobs are precious now.

[–]nutbastard 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

And we just drop high powered computers on the ground all the time.

[–]Utena420 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

People want validation for their own dead ass job. They want to belittle minimum wage employees because their job may pay 2-5 times more than them, but it's shittier like being a desk jockey. hell, if it weren't for working in a restaurant, I wouldn't have wanted to get into the culinary arts field. Without those men and women who work like they do, we wouldn't have a restaurant industry and we'd be stuck with making our own food.

[–]Stevelarrygorak 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, now they aren't getting shit for working at McDonalds, they are getting shit for wanting a liveable wage.

[–]jjoz3 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

People constantly belittle people of all service industries.

[–]Sofa_King_True 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

Hate to break the news to you replacing the "front" of the house is only the FIRST step... http://newsexaminer.net/food/mcdonalds-to-open-restaurant-run-by-robots/

[–]mudduck454 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

It is hard to take this article seriously when they use a troll quote like this one,

Former grill cook, Tom Smykowski, from the original Phoenix McDonald’s location before it was shutdown for robot repairs and upgrades, is still mad about losing his job.You know there are people in this world who don’t have to put up with all this,” Smykowski told FOX News. You have to use your mind and come up with some really great idea. If anyone should know this, it’s me. I’m a people person, how many times do I have to say this? I deal with the damn customer so they don’t have to make their own burgers. I have people skills; I am good at dealing with people!

[–]Sofa_King_True 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I know I kept looking at the URL to make sure it wasn't the onion! LOL

[–]DragonDai 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They do this right now...sure. But what about when the food can be prep by machine? Cooked by machine? Delivered by machine? That's all coming. It's not gana stop at the machine taking the money and placing the order. McDonald's jobs (and basically all non-highly skilled jobs) are gana be 100% automated in 15-20 years. 100% automation is the inevitable future. And the future's a LOT closer than most people think.

[–]thefranster 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I believe that split only accounts for one job, though. The kiosk can replace more than one counter person and you will not have to make additional adjustments in the kitchen to react to the "at once" order consequence, right? So if you replace two more counter people the kitchen staff remains the same with that one adjustment? And unless you thought that the kiosk would result in higher demand for McDonalds food, unlikely, the result is still that small restructuring and minimal uptick of backend staffing with a big cut in front end staffing requirements....

[–]TheOfficialPoK 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The part about hooligans not being able to punch in huge orders and leave is partially true.

The order is sent into the kitchen as soon as they choose the option to pay with credit card. If they then actually put in their card or just run is their thing.

But honestly such douchery happens about once a month. Still the kiosks are awesome and the new system at McD's is just more efficient and it makes a lot of things easier.

[–]tojoso 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is phase one. You don't think they'll eliminate jobs whenever possible?It's not gonna happen all at once, it'll be gradual.

[–]purple_sage2 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you and the other employees getting paid $15.00 an hour?

[–]Diplomjodler 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dammit! Can't even have a good circlejerk any more, without having facts and reasonable arguments shoved down our throats! What's the world coming to?

[–]misterbondpt 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for your info. But your work logic is flawed. Ultimately you are replacing a human time consuming stress increasing job - costumer service - with a robotized service. What will happen: you will have more pressure on your shoulders since the order will come all at once, as you said, and you will work faster because you will have no down times. If you replace the human taking the orders, you will decrease the employed staff. You can only increase the employed staff if more people come through the door.

[–]TourDeFunk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I, for one, welcome our new kiosk overloads.

[–]SecondhandUsername 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How do I customize the order?
I want my McDoubles plain.

[–]MetaMainer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now after your detailed explanation, I'm curious about demographics as a McDonald's employee.

[–]FrozenPhotons 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

One great advantage of the kiosks is they can display in multiple languages. Neither the customer nor the employee need a common language. McDonald's can hire from a larger potential pool of employees and serve a larger group of customer.

[–]seobrien 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except you won't have more staffing unless you have customer demand for it. It employees have increased pressure to pump out food at a decent speed, the owner/manager will still get more output with fewer people. The only reason to have more staff in the back is if the staff can't keep up. Why would they pay to put someone back there just to make production even faster? It's about costs and revenues and as long as customer can order/pay faster and production increases, the business makes more money with no need for the cost of someone who used to work the counter doing anything else.

[–]ocassionallyaduck 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

While I admire your open mindedness, kitchen staff are next to be automated out in the next wave. You bump up numbers slightly for now, but on a menu with everything pre screened, loading a tube of patties into the skillet loader, and performing an hourly maintenance check will be the extent of the role of line cook in the future.

It's still a few years out though. The machines for burgers are made, but not perfected. And fries and others need to be ironed out more. But reducing staff to around three people total is where it's headed.

[–]Userdataunavailable 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's what they've told you now.

[–]charlieisadoggy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not particularly proud of the fact that I work at McDonalds

Really? You should be proud that you're employed. Your worth isn't based on your job.

[–]k0uch 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not particularly proud of the fact that I work at McDonalds,

Dude, wrong mindset. I know so many people who are just too damn lazy to work at ANY job. It might not be the best, but be proud you have a job.

[–]rbt321 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So right now it sounds like we will be cutting one person from each shift right? You have never been so wrong.

Right. This is about reducing fixed costs per customer (building lease) as much as anything else. In many locations the lease will be higher than labour costs; $500k/year isn't unusual for a mall food-court location.

It usually doesn't work out as customers are slower entering orders than staff, but it has a shorter perceived time so the experiment continues. On-table ordering systems (like you see in many airports now) work much better due to higher parallel capabilities (tens of terminals).

The next obvious step is a phone app that allows ordering with the target delivery time (queued orders have delivery windows shown in real-time to kitchen staff) being linked to your geographic location (they follow your current location and try to put the food up at the same time you step into the store).

[–]Freqd-with-a-silentQ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except when you arent being swamped its just as easy to have two guys in the back and one Kiosk, and you're kidding yourself to think the end game here is not to save money, be reducing the number of employees being paid.

[–]crowscountingspades 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Interesting perspective, but I don't believe it's true.

The screen is performing labor. Labor that was once done by a human.

If it's faster or slower -- it makes no difference -- part of the process has been automated.

Higher wages for low-skilled workers will only accelerate such automation.

[–]UrbanTactician 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm rarely in a McDonalds when there is that much demand. Plus, what about all the times when it's not completely full. Won't one or two kiosks be enough?

[–]NottaGrammerNasi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was wondering about special orders. What if I want no mustard or low ice in my soda?

[–]AllDepressedChips 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If more positions are needed current employees will see their hours cut.

This is a simple ploy to nerf wages and still report to the media that they're "providing more jobs than ever".

[–]princessvaginaalpha 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Soon they will perfect the burger and fries making machines and you would be out of job.

Fries can come pre-cut from the factory, all you need is to load it into a loader (human) and the fries will be cooked as it is needed.

Buns will be slotted and used as needed

The patties will be cooked also as needed, and placed onto the buns perfectly.

McDonalds has been studied extensively by business schools and they all agree that the core employees of each outlet can be replaced with robots. This is why the turnover is also high, because there is no job satisfaction and the pay is low. The only reason it hasn't happen is because they are still cheaper than the robots. But once that change, the robots will take over very quickly.

[–]vlasvilneous 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So... more microwaved food than cooked food. Got it.

[–]GT_ED 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm so happy someone is explaining this from the inside! I try to explain this to people - do you see the help wanted signs everywhere? Do you think those kiosks are free to obtain, operate, and fix? What do you think happens when they break (and how much it costs to fix them)? I doubt very seriously that anyone will lose their jobs over these - at least not anytime soon.

Didn't they say the same thing about computers when they were first introduced?

[–]Long_Bone 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea but when they start making those kiosks with arms and legs THEN they will take over.

[–]REDxFAILURE 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's just at first, to prevent a publicity shit storm. Next year your budgets shrink a little, then a little more. It's the same thing every store that rolled out automated checkout has seen.

[–]AssholeBot9000 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How about replacing all tellers with these kiosks and then having the person who usually screws up the orders go clean the tables, because they are all gross as fuck.

[–]JetBlackNinja 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Looks like someone attended the mandatory corporate seminar and remembered all the "talking points".

That, or someone forgot to mention that their McDonald's job is in the Public Relations debt.

[–]incond1te 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I used one of these in France for a quick snack on a road trip and it was awesome. You are able to easily display the menu in English and take your time deciding without pissing other people off.

[–]psifi 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You have never been so wrong.

Oh I beg to differ. This one time I told a pregnant lady on the bus that it's better for the baby if she stands. Then I took her seat. Turns out she was just fat.

[–]slash196 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stories like these are great examples of the unpredictable consequences of technological progress.

[–]zdaytonaroadster 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not particularly proud of the fact that I work at McDonalds,

hey man, a job is a job, we all gotta start somewhere, and if your not starting its better than a handout.

[–]baddspellar 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not particularly proud of the fact that I work at McDonalds

I worked at McDonalds as a teen. My Dad lost his job, and I needed to make money to pay my tuition for my senior year in High School (went to Catholic school in NYC). I worked at the same store the next two summers while I was in college. I learned a lot in that job, and I wouldn't be the person I am now if I hadn't taken it. There's nothing wrong with it.

[–]strangeelement 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And those jobs are pretty safe from automation until AI is so advanced that at this point, we may not even need to work anymore (although whether we can make it work is another matter).

Most people gravely overestimate how easy those minimum wage jobs can be automated. They're boring and badly paid, but they still require a significant level of intelligence to accomplish. We haven't even figured out how to program a computer vision system that is 10% as accurate as the human mind yet.

Truth be told, most of the jobs that are being automated now (that production jobs have been anyway) are in the white collar sphere, anything dealing with information.

So many people demeaning the "lower" workers who are not aware that their own jobs are much more threatened by automation than janitors and general labor.

[–]HonziPonzi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

question. what's gonna happen when someone orders a mcflurry and your ice cream machine is down (as it will inevitably be) and they've already paid for it?

[–]kborz1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Have you thought of doing marketing for McDonalds? You seem to have the touch

[–]Designer94 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know how it works at McDs, but I'm a line cook at a cafe, if a rush of tickets appeared all at once on the board I'd shit myself, maybe cry.

[–]effedup 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And your order will still be wrong.

[–]anothercarguy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I worked in fast food in HS so I knew of and did this. Highest i ever hit was ~$114 before they guy stopped punching it in. This was back when a meal was in the 3-4 range

[–]Its_free_and_fun 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Only if you actually get higher peak order rates, though, right?

[–]cyanydeez 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But for those who know nothing about logistics or big business, they sound scary and threatening.

[–]moriero 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I will put my pitchfork back into my closet. Just for a moment, though...

[–]souner 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

One problem with the idea that kiosks will increase back-end staffing is that it doesn't make sense from a business standpoint. Kiosks cost money, and increasing staffing costs money. And why does a business spend money? To increase profits, either by increasing revenue or cutting costs.

For the kiosk to generate more revenue for the store, it has to either cause more customers to walk in the door (unlikely), or do a better job upselling than a cashier would (possible?). In reality it is most likely a long-term cost-cutting measure. By putting kiosks in place today they have time to perfect the systems and get people more comfortable with using them, eventually leading to staff reductions.

I think one of the biggest draws of this system is to smooth out the rushes you see in food service. As lines with a human cashier get longer, ordering from a machine with no line at it becomes more appealing to people standing in line. This increases orders taken per hour without necessitating what may have been an additional staff member. One less person on one less shift per day over thousands of stores can add up to a large cost savings.

[–]tony_nz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You've made me hungry for McDonald's OP

[–]GBralta 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a take on it that id never thought about. Definitely r/bestof material.

[–]Darrelc 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

First of all a job is a job. Secondly, can you do custom orders on these things? I like my burgers without all the gubbins on which would be an issue if I can't do that through these.

[–]Kickedbk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Have you seen those self checkouts at grocery stores? Many challenged individuals slow it down every day.

[–]falconbox 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've never been to a McDonalds (or especially a Taco Bell) that cared about fast service.

[–]xBandit 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I disagree, and I think it will be a step towards fully automating a McDonald's. It doesn't take much to get an order together, and often times the people at the cash registers are standing around and waiting for their orders to be made. Otherwise if the people up front aren't taking orders, they are filling drinks, or making ice cream. And I don't know about your market, but I've seen McDonald's in mine where even pouring drinks is automated now.

Right now there are no changes, but give it more time, when McDonald's is trying to find a way to increase their bottom line, and someone asks (well do we really need 3 people to put food into bags?)

[–]ghastlyactions 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And fortunately the technology to assemble hamburgers and french fries will never exist....

[–]Flipnkraut 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You realize you're just an assembly line now.