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SOCJUSRacists (Coon-Towners, Stormfags) misusing the term SJW (self.KotakuInAction)

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In regards to the term SJW - does anyone else not think it's a bit odd for far-right wing racists (Stormfront douches/Coon-Town posters) to use the term?

One of the reasons the term has gone mainstream is specifically because for a group of people who so desperately want to be activists, they actually end up being the very thing they claim to fight against --- racists and sexists.

They look at white people in the same way Stormfronters look at 'people of color'.

Both SJW's and the Stormfront crowd are a mirror image of each other;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-ZX5V4Qft4

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[–]AntonioOfVeniceRuns /r/polygon \ Karma King of late April 2015 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's very simple. SJWs have become so unpopular that everyone is rushing to use them as a foil. Of course, it is not just SJWs who hate Coontown, but Coontown would certainly like to pretend that it's only them.

[–]VidiotGamerTrigger Warning: Misogynerd 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's a convenient fiction that lots of people like to use, SJW's themselves like to use it. It can be summarized as, "See - you don't like these people, and they don't like us, so we must be good!"

Obviously a reasonable person can look at both groups and assume they're all chucklefucks.

[–]AntonioOfVeniceRuns /r/polygon \ Karma King of late April 2015 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

SJWs: "If you're against racism, you have to be a SJW."
Coontown: "If you're against SJWs, you have to be a racist."
Gamergate: "Screw you both, I'll just be an ethical person."

[–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

SJWs: "If you're against racism, you have to be a SJW."

Coontown: "If you're against SJWs, you have to be a racist."

Gamergate: "Screw you both, I'll just be an ethical person."

Perfection.

[–]clyde_ghost 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think it is normal human nature to label things and if the label fits then people will use it.

Stormfront, Coontown and "SJWs" ('cause lets face it, there is no group labelling themselves as the SJWs, it's a prajorative term, but that's fine) might act in similar ways but the fact is they are ideologically on different sides of the political spectrum.

[–]JustABaku 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

'cause lets face it, there is no group labelling themselves as the SJWs, it's a prajorative term, but that's fine

Actually I'd argue they very much ARE a group with a hiearchy. And there was time where they were self-labelling themselves Social Justice Warriors out of pride.

[–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Actually the term SJW was first used by someone proudly labeling themselves that a few years ago; it was us that made it negative.

[–]drunkjake 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

*They made it negative. By their actions.

[–]racist_fruit_bowl 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Please don't use the term Stormfag. My best friend is a Storm and gets bullied for it.

[–]raze2012Noticed by senpai! 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, maybe your friend should stop smoking, for the safety of him and the people around him.

.... I'll see myself out.

[–]Zero132132 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stormfront types call Sargon an SJW.

Being borderline retarded and/or crazy has no political affiliation, just different means of expression.

[–]i_phi_pi 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's interesting how Stormfags and other assorted racists are labeled as right-wing. I ask this out of genuine curiosity, as I do not frequent any of these places: what makes racists right-wing? Are Stormfags huge fans of Milton Friedman? Are they big on individual liberty? Would they prefer a strong global posture?

Again, I'm asking out of genuine curiosity. The left, that I get. SJWs are what you get when you take the tenets of the left (celebrating diversity, community-mindedness, etc) to an illogical extreme.

[–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

From what I've seen on Coon-Town and Stormfront, they sure do hate the Jews, of course, left-wing people can do that too, but they glorify Hitler on Stormfront and constantly use the word 'libtard'

These people think anyone left wing is an SJW, it's evident that they don't really like left-wingers and their glorification of Hitler leads me to believe they are the far-right, and thus a mirror image of SJW's.

[–]JustABaku 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

These people think anyone left wing is an SJW, it's evident that they don't really like left-wingers and their glorification of Hitler leads me to believe they are the far-right, and thus a mirror image of SJW's.

And we have a winner! Congrats, you've finally understood that Stormfag and SJW are two sides of the same coin. One will cry "muh degeneracy" and one will cry "muh rape". One will cry "Da joos!" and one will cry "da patriarchy".

The only disturbing difference is that one is being heavily backed by the medias and academia.

[–]unsafeideas -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

The problem you have comes from fact that left-right dichotomy is extreme simplification of how real life works. It is mostly result of two party system where anything must be stuck into that.

If you define right as big on individual liberty, then all kind of people that considered themselves right are suddenly left - conservative christians, pro-war neocons, tough on crime politicians, war on drugs rhetorics came from right etc. For that matter, parts of right wing in Germany merged into Nazi party while it would not be possible with communists at all.

Communism did not celebrated diversity. It is still left project. Communism was not good for environment, democracies of west did better on that front. However, people from UK and USA do associate environmentalism with left - while my rightist friends are more pro-environment and leftists do not care.

[–]mnemosyne-0000#BotYourShield 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

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[–]Neo_TechniDon't demand what you refuse to give. 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let them. Sjws misuse every other term

[–]Alexlincoln2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What makes storm front right wing?

[–]Bob9999999999999 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

For what it's worth, here are my qualifications for defining a SJW:

  1. Pro-collectivism, anti-individualism

  2. Demonization of opponents as unrepentant bigots

  3. Anti-intellectualism

  4. Belief in collective guilt

If there's ever a question as to whether someone really is a SJW, it may be instructive to see how they measure up against these traits.

[–]unsafeideas 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

The problem with your standards is that most if not all authoritarian movements satisfied all four. Racists pretty often believe on all four, so are conservative (socially) puritans and so did church. To escalate it, Nazi, as in real historical nazi, did. So did communists, so did genocidal regime in Rwanda.

[–]Bob9999999999999 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

So this applies to all kinds of horrible people? Doesn't strike me as a problem.

The goal here is to distinguish SJWs from the people who actually care about equality, not to distinguish SJWs from Nazis.

[–]unsafeideas 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Alright then. It makes more sense with that in mind.

[–]feroslav 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

Why wouldn't they use the term? Nothing odd about that.

[–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Because they are a mirror image of SJW's and just as bad. They think that anti-racism means = SJW.

It's horse-shoe theory - the far right (Stormfront) and the far left (SJW's) are the same as one another. A stormfag using the term SJW means the stormfag lacks self-awareness.

[–]feroslav 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yet it still doesn't make it odd, you can't expect them to be self-aware.

[–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

A stormfag using the term is akin to an SJW saying GG is too thin-skinned...that's why I called it odd

[–]Meowsticgoesnya0018-1877-0794 3DS Friend code, remember to give me yours 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Just a bit ago Coontown was complaining about harassment because someone made a list of brigaders.

They are literally the splitting image of SJW's.

[–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Just a bit ago Coontown was complaining about harassment because someone made a list of brigaders.

They are literally the splitting image of SJW's.

Pretty much, if you go to /r/StormfrontorSJW you can't even tell the difference between them.

[–]Meowsticgoesnya0018-1877-0794 3DS Friend code, remember to give me yours 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's just natural for this to happen though.

Right wingers think all of the left are extremists, and left wing thinks all of the right are extremists. So any term made by the left to mock their extremists will eventually be co opted by right wing to refer to anyone in the left, especially by the right wing extremists who have much less in common with moderate left wing than the moderate right wing does.

[–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Indeed, although I don't really think the term has been co-opted (though there have been attempts); I think most people who use the term can dissociate the genuine social-justice advocates from the SJW's.

[–]kalphis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

While religious fundamentalists crusading their morality can be called SJWs, you have to realize the type of people you're pointing to probably don't want social equality at all. They are closer to the only-the-survival-of-the-strongest types. So they use the term to mean anyone that opposes that.

[–]2yph0n 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be honest the term SJW have always been ambiguous and ironic.

We should be using terms like misandrist, racists, sexists, scam arists, con man to describe them.

[–]JustABaku 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

SJW has three-letter acronym slur the same way they use MRA for anyone they dislike.

[–]randomname19029 0ポイント1ポイント  (19子コメント)

It's worrying that I even have to say this, but white supremacists are far worse than SJWs in every respect, they are dangerous lunatics, and members of their communities have committed atrocity after atrocity. They are not mirror images of each other at all, don't do an AGG-style "they are as bad as ISIS" thing against SJWs.

[–]AntonioOfVeniceRuns /r/polygon \ Karma King of late April 2015 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

white supremacists are far worse than SJWs in every respect

SJWs are white supremacists. They claim that people of color are so inferior to whites that they can't compete on a level playing field. Which is why an SRS analysis of Gamergate called us biased against minorities, because we believe in meritocracy. That only makes sense if you believe minorities have no merit.

But yeah, non-SJW white supremacists are probably worse than SJWs, if looked at in isolation. However, as theone899 says, they have zero influence or effect. No one takes Coontown seriously. Yet when SJWs scream, companies rush to appease them, because they know that the false accusations SJWs level can have a damaging effect on their business.

[–]BoiseNTheHood 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

SJWs are white supremacists. They claim that people of color are so inferior to whites that they can't compete on a level playing field. Which is why an SRS analysis of Gamergate called us biased against minorities, because we believe in meritocracy. That only makes sense if you believe minorities have no merit.

Well-said. Most of their views are basically "The White Cis-Woman's Burden."

[–]unsafeideas 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Charleston shooting had white supremacist influence. I dunno whether the guy visited Coontown, but his actions were product of white supremacism. Neo-nazi are real existing movement and they can be violent to people who are not white. As in, if you are not white, you really better avoid soccer match where they are likely to go.

They do not have posh power SJWs have, but SJW still have to physically beat someone up.

[–]mbnhedger 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Are you trying to say that SJW types dont actively incite or participate in physical violence?

https://youtu.be/SIZTKcVKTYs

[–]Ccddrr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sorry, but I don't think I could hold back from punching that bitch.

[–]AntonioOfVeniceRuns /r/polygon \ Karma King of late April 2015 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Charleston shooting had white supremacist influence.

The vast majority of white supremacists are not violent though. Isn't this the way SJWs usually defend Islam? Not all white supremacists!

They do not have posh power SJWs have, but SJW still have to physically beat someone up.

Make no mistake, SJWs are often very violent. One Canadian test of responses to "Islamophobia", where an actor criticized an ostensibly Muslim actor for wearing desert clothing, received a bloody nose from a SJW.

We are very fortunate that most SJWs are not physically capable of beating anyone up.

[–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

I was saying that they are a mirror image in the way they behave, and the fact that nobody takes Stormfags seriously; many people take SJW's seriously.

[–]randomname19029 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

They don't behave the same way! No SJW has grabbed a machine gun and shot dead dozens of teenagers like that white supremacist nutjob Breivik did! Don't fall into this fallacy of taking hyperbole as being fact.

[–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Most Stormfronters don't actually go on shooting-spree's. It's a minority of them.

That doesn't change the fact that Stormfags are assholes though.

[–]unsafeideas 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most SJWs just tweet and brag to their friends. Only minority of them have actual ability to write for journal or instigate that mob we all hate.

[–]randomname19029 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Of course, a tiny minority. But they have done these things, and they will do more of it again. They are recurring physical threat outside the internet. SJWs aren't anywhere comparable to that.

[–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree.

[–]Inuma -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Stormfags should be taken seriously though, particularly when you see the congregation of conservative influences in America which have a lot of power and influence.

[–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

There was one Stormfag politician who got power in the 1990's, but since then, Stormfags don't have any political power. Especially not in 2015; nobody takes them seriously anymore, they're a joke.

[–]Inuma -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not so sure because these are the sentiments of white supremacist groups. One of the places I'm sure they've dominated would be /pol/ with their target being the least defended groups as a call to arms.

Not to say that feminists aren't defended, but the rank and file are far more vulnerable (don't get me started on black feminists and such...) while the more affluent fems being away from such craziness.

I would pay attention to where they're going while (hopefully) preventing them from gaining public influence.

[–]XenoKriss 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's worrying that I even have to say this, but extreme Leftists (the kind which today's SJWs have at least as much in common with as today's internet racists have in common with Nazi Germany) were responsible for far more deaths than extreme Right-Wingers: Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, the list goes on.

[–]unsafeideas 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why is it worrying to say? It is quite logical, Nazi lost fast and did not managed to build imperium they wanted. While they got far at East, they never had the chance to implement their long-term project. (Which is nice occasion to thank Churchil for refusing aliance with Nazi and to America to join fight, alright.)

Communism managed to build that imperium and ruled it unchallenged for decades around the globe.

[–]XenoKriss 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

My point exactly - it's worrying that it even needs to be pointed out, since this is recent history.

[–]drunkjake -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Commies are right wing?

[–]bigtallguy -2ポイント-1ポイント  (9子コメント)

The term sjw is being constantly misused by tons of people. It's become, or at least becoming, a bogeymen term to shut down all thought and make it easy to get angry at someone with little empathy. I'm not surprised that racists have taken a liking to it. It makes it easier to dehumanize and mock people who are set against them.

[–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, but I do have to clarify that the vast majority of people using the term are not Stormfags, this sub has been an advocate of the horseshoe theory for quite some time.

[–]Dyalibya 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The term sjw is being constantly misused by tons of people. It's become, or at least becoming, a bogeymen term to shut down all thought and make it easy to get angry at someone with little empathy.

So? A lot like GamerGate?

[–]bigtallguy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

A lot like how agg uses the term misogyny, transphobic, or sexist or internet terrorists actually.

[–]Meowsticgoesnya0018-1877-0794 3DS Friend code, remember to give me yours 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's in all honesty a pretty bad term because it's definition varies so much from person to person. It horribly fails to fulfill the purpose for which words are supposed to exist for in the first place.

[–]feroslav 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's a term like any other, there is nothing special about it. Any term describing political affiliation is gonna be missused. Some people will call communist anyone who is for progressive tax, other people will call right winger everyone who has slightely different opinion on political corectness. And everyone is called nazi at one point in their internet life. SJW serves its purpose like any other similar word. Someone uses it corectly, someone doesn't.

[–]Meowsticgoesnya0018-1877-0794 3DS Friend code, remember to give me yours 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fair point, most political words are misused.

[–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Interesting...

Many people are calling Bernie Sanders a Communist despite the fact that he's a Democratic Socialist, so I do guess that any political label can be misused.

[–]bigtallguy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not saying it shouldn't be used by them, just saying why. It's easier to get angry at the "Other" when there is a label and caricature for them. Racists and nationalists have done it for centuries.

Language is fluid, words meanings and usages can change quickly, especiallyfor slang (e.g. "Cool", "square", "sick") so to say people are using it incorrectly is kind of an understandable deflection from the term itself.

Back to the point, stormfrontdymbfucks see sjw as an easy caricature to label their opponents, because the term itself is being used to describe caricatures And dehumanize people.

[–]AntonioOfVeniceRuns /r/polygon \ Karma King of late April 2015 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's become, or at least becoming, a bogeymen term to shut down all thought and make it easy to get angry at someone with little empathy.

It's true, SJWs have little empathy, but I don't get angry at them for it.