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[–]hootersgirl19[S] 1714ポイント1715ポイント  (219子コメント)

He was buying dip and cigarettes

[–]OMGWTF-BOB 582ポイント583ポイント x2 (218子コメント)

Ok....As an older black man... WTF is funny about this? Guy in reb gear buys tobacco products... Wow... I could have shown you a dozen black men buying cigarillos or "blunts". Does that mean they're automatically going off to roll blunts? Just because random white guy A wears anything with a confederate battle flag doesn't mean he's a racist or ignorant bigot. Nor does a black women checking out said person mean she was offended by his dress.

I'm so sick and tired of these OMG look at this person with a flag item posts. Just because we've got darker skin doesn't mean we're all going nuts over this rebel flag crap. It's stupid and we're doing nothing more than playing to the medias drum beat by being offended by stupid crap.

Pre edit bs.... Yes I'm black. I'm of French and Haitian Creole heritage. I can trace my ancestry back to Africa with several points of delineation due to genetic mapping. My other familial side is directly Native American (Choctaw to be exact) with some Scottish and Irish added into the mix (I'm a hairy ass black man). This whole flag crap is a joke, and I'm old.. So I've dealt with the actual "racial" issue all of my life.

Edit: I'm trying to get through all the comments and reply. Just got home after a long shift and didn't think to check pm this morning.

[–]Zending 27ポイント28ポイント  (6子コメント)

It's Reddit, man. There is no logic here.

But...

I get it. I'm a white boy Police Officer. During the Baltimore riots; I had an older white guy come up to me on duty and ask me about the rioting. I told him I'm not educated enough on it to make a comment (I was, but I don't talk about social issues with strangers, especially on duty). He goes, "the problem is, the blacks are taking over."

He assumed I was a white, racist Cop and thought I would agree with him. I promptly told him our conversation was over, and left. I don't need to explain to you The thought process of a stereotype. He didn't consider the fact I grew up on the South Side of Chicago surrounded by black communities and had nothing but a positive experience.

I empathize with your frustration, though no experience I've had can probably compare to what you've been victim to. Here's to hoping the next few hundred years are different, right?

[–]platinum_peter 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

South side of Chicago, great fucking place to be. Very safe, clean, well kept, residents really take pride in their neighborhood.

[–]Zending 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Said no one ever. Mount Greenwood is still nice though. Beverly too.

[–]MeisterX 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Shouldn't you have reported this conversation though?

I would be expected to at my work.

[–]Zending 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

There was no conversation. It was just some idiot making a statement. Happens to me all the time. Hell, I have had people call the Police on black UPS drivers because they looked "suspicious." If I reported everything stupid someone said to me I would have a mountain of paperwork on file.

[–]MeisterX -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sorry, I had assumed this was another police officer speaking to you, not some random guy.

[–]frankoceansheadband 380ポイント381ポイント  (71子コメント)

I'm also black and I have a completely different opinion. Just because you are black, that doesn't mean that you are the spokesman. I don't believe that people who have rebel flags are always racist, but in my experience, they are usually the people who will say the most off the wall racist shit in any conversation.

Edit: Going to sleep, thanks for all the discussion!

[–]thedudedylan 115ポイント116ポイント  (11子コメント)

Wait hold on. You mean one black person is not allowed to speak for his entire race just like I can't speak for all white people.

Well shit.

[–]MagicalSpaceHoney 49ポイント50ポイント  (5子コメント)

Only Morgan Freeman is.

[–]drunk_clown 28ポイント29ポイント  (1子コメント)

"I speak for the human race." -Morgan Freeman

[–]bros_pm_me_ur_asspix 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

can confirm, im white and Morgan Freeman speaks for me. Formerly it was Colin Powell but then it became Roscoe Lee Browne, and after we lost him it's now Morgan Freeman.

[–]bears_willfuckyou_up 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wait... I thought Jesse Jackson was the spokesman for all black people. At least, that's what he told Randy.

[–]OMGWTF-BOB 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's the problem... He and Al Sharpton actually think they do.

[–]BiggChicken 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Morgan Freeman is God so it's allowed.

[–]inthedrink 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well sometimes it's the guy who says it allowed first who everyone listens to.

[–]THE_Black_Delegation 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

As part of the delegation i am authorized. Black guy number 1 is correct. black guy 2 is semi correct.

[–]fatalpeach -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like how the points drop off right here. :/

[–]leftofmarx 48ポイント49ポイント  (8子コメント)

I too am black and demand upvotes from every single one of the white guilt laden crackers on this cream puff website.

[–]thug_life4 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

calm down there uncle tom

[–]Astrochef12 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sigh.... Here ya go, just don't take Will Smith away, he's AWESOME!

[–]Bloomy999 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You had me at crackers. I love crackers.

[–]johnnypebs -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're entitled to 40 upvotes. And a mule. I'm not sure how to get a mule into your inbox, but we've got top men working on it.

[–]flameruler94 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

In my experience they're the "I'm not a racist, but..." type

[–]saremei 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's literally everyone though.

[–]WuhanWTF 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not racist, it's just that [racist thing].

[–]EnderFenrir 53ポイント54ポイント  (20子コメント)

He may not be the spokesman, but neither should whoever is doing it now. The man gave an opinion, you didnt agree with. Does this make hin wrong and you right? Nope, it just means you're going to disagree on some things.

[–]frankoceansheadband 6ポイント7ポイント  (16子コメント)

I'll admit that my comment kind of presented my opinion as a fact, but his made it seem like anyone who has a negative view of the flag has not experienced racial prejudice.

[–]EnderFenrir 8ポイント9ポイント  (8子コメント)

Could just be the fact that in the media the argument is very one sided and is trying to upset people. Ugly news pays the bills the most, journalists have no integrity anymore. Personally I dont have an opinion on it, what ever happens in regards to the symbol has no affect on my life in any way. People should be looking at other more important problems, not what some fabric may or may not say about someone.

[–]OMGWTF-BOB 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Could just be the fact that in the media the argument is very one sided and is trying to upset people.

This is exactly why I worded it the way I did. I'm not allowed an opinion because it differs from the mass hysteria that is on the news. Even my own people would say crude things when I express this feeling.

[–]frankoceansheadband 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I disagree with the last part, but I do agree that the media goes over the top to get views and reactions.

[–]imanasshole2 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

So you think that our representatives should be wasting their time with this instead of working to resolve actual issues? I fully support the conf flag, but even I'm tired of hearing about it and it's been nothing but a big waste of time just to appease a group of people here in the United States of Offended. We have real issues that need to be worried about and tended too...

[–]shointelpro 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think people can multitask, for one.

Symbols are very important. That's why we use them. It said something when it was put up, and it said something when it was taken down. The underlying issue there is a real one. Always has been.

I think our representatives should spend even more time correcting mistakes. Better than continuing to abide them.

[–]frankoceansheadband 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think this should be that big of an issue as it has been recently, but I do believe that it is reasonable to have negative feeling towards the flag. I also believe that the removal of the flag from a government building isn't that big of a time waster considering all of the other small, unnecessary things that get legislated.

[–]JosephBalin 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's pretty upsetting seeing the flag of a failed state that actively tried to keep your ancestors as slaves flying in a house of politics. (A flag that was also put up specifically during the civil rights movement)

To me this isn't some small issue, or it wasn't at least... It was a shitty situation that should have been dealt with. As for the comment above from the black guy.. Go take a look at the conversations on Twitter and maybe check a few Twitter accounts with Confederate flags in their photos. It's hilariously incriminating.

[–]shointelpro -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Maybe you should stop telling other people with their own unique experiences what should or shouldn't be considered important to them. Particularly when you admit to "having no opinion" about it.

That piece of cloth has been an open emblem of white supremacy since its inception. If the media actually wanted to be one-sided about it and dissect the matter, they would dive right in to the well-documented terror and political campaigns brought down on millions of innocent people in this country by those prominently displaying this symbol, so the message was clear.

Until you experience that....... maybe don't talk about it. The least you could do is not marginalize it.

[–]EnderFenrir -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Really, thats all you took from that? Its a symbol that means different things to different people, and not all those feelings are good that's obvious. You dont know my life experience, dont presume to, and I dont know yours and nor do I want too. Symbols will always upset or rally people together, its a clear fact through history. I will spend my time worrying about things that actually matter, like how im going to pay all my bills this month and feed myself and my mother, thats whats important.

[–]BobaFetty 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I gotta side with you on this one. The guy you just replied to seems to just be talking for the hell of it, and the guy you originally replied to was definitely making much direct statements that came across as "spoken by the black community".

I'm a white guy and I think that this dude with his conf flag shirt AND bandana AND cowboy boots while wearing torn off jorts just fucking screams southern white trash redneck. He's very obviously TRYING to say something or make a statement with his attire, and if it isn't intentional with this being the way he just dresses, then it doesn't really change anything.. And while I am making this assessment off of stereotypes, they're stereotypes that have much more often been accurate than not.

But this is just one white guy speaking on his own view of the situation. Considering the direction these comments are going, it seems like I may have to make that clear.

[–]Titty_Sprinkles_III -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

You're also probably fairly young.

[–]frankoceansheadband 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

I would consider myself young, but not so young that I haven't experienced racial prejudice. I will completely admit that older black people have experienced a lot more than me, but that doesn't mean I should accept things that the older generation would consider insignificant.

[–]Club_Silencio 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shh now, don't interrupt Reddit's fantasy that racism don't real.

[–]lavasse -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

he sounds like he wants a pat on the head, tbh.

[–]JosephBalin 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pandering to a bunch of white dudes lol

[–]zeoh 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Did s/he say that man was wrong tho? S/He was just giving us and the poster their* perspective.

[–]EnderFenrir 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Which us why I gave one also.

[–]TreePlusTree 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I also believe removing the flag will make them less racist /s

[–]frankoceansheadband 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't believe that. I believe anyone should be able to wear/fly it if they want to. I just think they should know how other people feel about it and if they still want to use it that is their right.

[–]TreePlusTree -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can agree with that too, but I see no way it can effect racism.

[–]preprogrammedadmin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's probably not even black.

[–]_neurd_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

So your opinion on the confederate flag is that people who display it usually say off the wall things in conversation. This seems to be more of an observation than an opinion on the matter.

[–]frankoceansheadband 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

My main opinion was just that negative feelings towards the flags aren't completely unfounded. I don't think everyone should have to feel the way I do, I was just explaining part of the reason I disagreed with the user I replied to. I figured getting into the political issues involving the flag was unnecessary considering his issue was just with people's feelings toward the flag and not people's use of it.

[–]_neurd_ -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I can understand how the flag can be representative of the struggles black people faced in the past, and still face today. As a white man it is easy for me to say that it is being blown out of proportion, but I know deep down that isn't the case. It's a legitimate issue that deserves great attention.

[–]mudmonkey18 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

It depends on what part of the issue, there is absolutely no justification for flying the Battle flag infront of the State capital, courthouse, etc. Personally, I find it appropriate at old battlegrounds or monuments, but I can see why that's contentious.

There is some justification for the flag, it could be a symbol for State rights and self-determination; however, when intelligent people consider part of "self-determination" ment keeping over half the population enslaved they look for a new symbol. That leaves the crazies left to fly the flag, and that's why you hear it's "southern heritage", no one left on the pro-flag side is articulate enough to make a case for the state'd rights nuance.

That's a shame too because I feel the bloated unresponsive Federal government has it's roots in the Civil War. If you view the Civil War as the culmination of the Federalist/ anti-federalist debates 80 years prior than the Union victory is a Federalist victory and the results are quite mixed.

[–]x2dz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It might be racist but its probably the truth.

[–]HitlersThong 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm white and i don't wear a flag.

[–]OMGWTF-BOB 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just because you are black, that doesn't mean that you are the spokesman.

Well thank you! I've been making the same remark about RJJ or RAS for decades now. There are a lot of people who feel the same way I do, but our opinions don't matter because they aren't the same as these "spiritual leaders".

[–]SMOKIN-ON-BIEBERS 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Label people by what they wear, what a great way to live life.

I think when I see a doo rag white t basketball shorts, socks and sandals guy buying some Newports I'll just assume he's on the government dime bottom feeder with no ambition to get a real job to support his out of wedlock kids.

But but but I'm just using statistics!

[–]mk2vrdrvr 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I doubt he is trying to come off as a "spokesperson" he is just giving his opinion.By you making that assumption/statement is demeaning "his" opinion and forcing your narrative.

[–]frankoceansheadband 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm just kind of annoyed with people on reddit saying "I'm black and we" type of things. He also makes it sound like people who have negative views of the rebel flag haven't actually experienced actual racial issues. Looking back, maybe I read too much into it, but I feel like a lot of redditors get their ideas of how black people think/feel from a single comment that already lines up with their opinion.

[–]_fuccboi 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

luckily for you, I am like George Bush and don't care about black people

[–]mk2vrdrvr -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You get my upvote for your opinion/honesty for sure.I am a white male and understand the core issue with the confederate flag,but I feel that media giving attention to the simpleton's that fly the flag for the sake of proving their "heritage" is absolutely ridiculous.99.9% of the have no clue what that flag actually represents,to them it is a REBEL flag.

[–]ClockworkAeroplane 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm white and I consider it the flag of a vile enemy long ago defeated, and think the only reason for flying it is to stand in defiance of the Union. It is a traitor's flag. It is a flag standing for the wholesale subjugation of an entire race of people for hundreds of years, followed by lawful discrimination for another hundred or so, and then unlawful discrimination to this day. The only place it should be seen is at museums.

The fact it's still around just proves what I always say: The Civil War was never won. They just stopped shooting. The slaves were never freed; slavery was just outlawed.

"Reconstruction" should have seen every Confederate soldier hanged, every Southern governor or congressman hanged, and every slave-owner divested of his property to be distributed to his slaves.

Never go to war unless you are willing to win.

[–]WuhanWTF -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm Chinese and I agree with you.

[–]Jimibeanz 43ポイント44ポイント  (1子コメント)

[–]Caristinn 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The premier subreddit for baffled white liberals who can't possibly comprehend it when a minority doesn't agree with their beliefs.

[–]AbsoluteZro 78ポイント79ポイント  (58子コメント)

He's not wearing "an item" with the flag. He is decked out in it, and it's obvious that it is on purpose. I don't think it means this guy is doing it to show he hates black people, I'd imagine he's doing it because he wants to show his support for the flag and his idea of it.

From everything I've read, Blacks in the South don't have the same visceral reaction that many of us in the North East do at seeing the flag. And I guess maybe that applies to older folks like yourself.

You can have your reaction, but that doesn't make other's reactions less genuine or worthy of acceptance.

Edit: Jebus, I didn't think I said anything remotely controversial. My last sentence was not a blanket statement. It was specifically about this topic, where I personally think both sides have good points. I myself am against the flag, full disclosure.

[–]Tachyon9 62ポイント63ポイント  (5子コメント)

Pretty much everything offensive about the south is coming from people in the Northeast and Pacific coast. Most in the south don't give a shit.

[–]saremei 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

And the population % of black people is much higher in the southern states than anywhere else in the country. The south is covered with black people and most of the people complaining are from outside the south.

[–]Bloomy999 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What? Is this a white or a black view. Some southern people seem to think the south is perfect, Fewer southern blacks think that.

[–]swaginite -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have people in New York, way above Mason Dixon, people without a drop of blood from ancestors who've ever lived south of Pennsylvania, wearing the stars and bars in this exact fashion. That's a problem, and it's also some sign of brain damage, I'm sure.

[–]EnderFenrir -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Someone complained and the media ran with it as usual. The 24 hour news networks love racism stories, or anything where you can divide people. I dont give a shit either way but I am enjoying the ignorant and uninformed jump on soap boxes lol.

[–]cereblown42 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The people in the South that complained the loudest had their church shot up by a crazy racist.

[–]wpr88 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You should read white liberals, black rednecks by thomas sowell.

[–]Nachteule 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think many wear/like the flag not because they want slavery back but they believe it stands for freedom, independency and a country with no government that tells them what to do. It has become the flag of Neo Anarchists. I don't think that rockers with the flag on their bikes can't wait to open up a cotton farm and buy black slaves.

That doesn't mean that this war flag from the south does not represent a group of people who wanted to keep their slaves and believed without slaves their way of life and USA would be doomed. But times change, people change and meanings also change.

[–]AbsoluteZro 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Very true, but the history of a flag is important. We can't just erase the past.

I wonder how people in the south would appreciate an Al Qaeda flag. Flown not because of 9/11, but rather just as a critique of our current foreign policy.

Or a Nazi flag, flown not because of the genecide, but because the bearer feels we need a strong central government.

There isn't a difference between these scenarios and the confederate flag. Slavery, was the main catalyst for the civil war, despite the bullshit historical revisionism that continues even to this day (see the current textbook in Texas which does not list slavery as the main cause of the Civil War - or even a top cause).

So while there are people in our country continuously, and successfully revising said flag's history, you bet your ass I think that flag needs to be taken down.

[–]dunmorestriden 12ポイント13ポイント  (25子コメント)

Seriously though why is everyone throwing such a shit fit over this flag? And don't say racism because it's the wrong people bitching. I'm sorry but I'm from California and I'm spending my summer and small town buttfuck nowhere in Georgia and EVERYONE. And I mean everyone no matter what color or race or gender has a confederate flag somewhere. It's been there for years why are we all pitching a fit about it now? Especially when there are many other actually important things we should be worrying about.

[–]Pillow50 35ポイント36ポイント  (18子コメント)

It became a big deal after the recent shooting.

A lot of people have thought it needs to go for years; but no one really seemed to want to mess with "southern pride" until a crazy and racist man like Roof shot some black people.

[–]flameruler94 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly it probably would have still gone unnoticed, except for the fact that every flag EXCEPT the Confederate flag was lowered to half mast outside their capitol building. I know, it wasn't on a pulley and such, but that's still either a) pretty disrespectful or b)just stupid to not realize how that would come across

[–]Nick357 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also, it is a lot easier than the conversation that needs to take place about mental health and gun control to prevent more mass shooters.

[–]AbsoluteZro 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly. According to studies I've seen, the majority, even in the south, do not have positive feelings for the flag. There just wasn't the political momentum to do anything about it.

[–]Kaarous -5ポイント-4ポイント  (8子コメント)

It became a big deal after the recent shooting.

No, it was MADE into a big deal after the recent shooting, by the media.

Meanwhile, an Islamist murders several Marines in Tennessee, and there is no outcry for iconoclasty there. Literally every argument people are making about the Confederate battle flag applies ten times over to the Islamic flag symbols of Islam.

It's a bullshit PC witch hunt.

[–]MaliciousLeviathan 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Are you seriously implying people haven't started shit before trying to get rid of or limit islamic icons?

I think it's pretty stupid either way, but seriously? Out of every group attacked by the media you think islam is privileged?

[–]shointelpro 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fine.

Where's the "Islamic flag" flying on state or federal grounds in America so we can take it down and make things right with you?

[–]Scaletta467 -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

The islamic flag? Ah, alright. You really seem informed.

Spoiler: There is no such thing as "the islamic flag". There are flags of islamic states. There are flags of islamic groups. But there is no damn "islamic flag". Fucking inform yourself.

[–]Kaarous 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I see being obtuse is back in style. Regardless, in a reply lower in the chain, I said "symbols of Islam", and updated the parent comment.

The point stands regardless. Anything with the crescent on it? Stands for far more blood, cruelty, slavery and inhumanity than anything you could ever claim about the Confederate battle flag.

[–]saremei -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh so a racist guy does something. Lets just raise a bigger stink by removing an unrelated flag.

[–]Otonorosa 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Seriously though why is everyone throwing such a shit fit over this flag?

I have not been elected to speak for everyone, however I have two problems with symbols of the Confederacy. First the nation that those symbols represent was an enemy of the US. They fought and killed US soldiers. Second they fought for the right to buy and sell human beings, no amount of revisionist history will change that.

I couldn't care less if someone has one on their clothing, vehicle, or home, but enemy flags have no place on government property, especially when the flag symbolizes such a reprehensible cause. No one would believe that it was acceptable to fly a Nazi flag over a state capital a Confederate flag is no different.

[–]Gatordude910 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think everyone should stop acting like they have a damn 8 foot long pole up there ass because of a flag, it's a flag for fucks sake; get over it. If it offends you; don't pay attention to it, easy as that. Also, always gotta love how the big 'ole bad white man is always the bad guy with the KKK and what not but don't forget about the Black Extremists Black Panther Party or the guess what..... Black President who is fucking up anything and everything America ever stood for and was founded for such as "One Nation Under God" which he has EXTREMELY disrespected... So anyways, why don't we stop making such a big deal about racism and a flag and get on to bigger things like all the things that are happening to this great country to make it an absolute shit hole.

[–]greenwizardneedsfood 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a person who was born and raised in Georgia, I can tell you to 99% certainty what the race of a person flying a confederate flag is, which is why it's a problem. People claim they fly it heritage because perhaps their great-great-great grandfather fought in the civil war on the side that went to war to perpetuate slavery (to say the civil war started for any other reason is simply wrong) and they fly it to honor their memory. Whatever, that's pretty fucked up, but whatever this is America. However, these people fail (or at least claim to fail) to recognize what the flag has been turned into (even though it was always flown by white supremacists) in the past century - namely a symbol of oppression, white supremacy, violence, and hate. Therefore there are lots of (white) people who think of their flag as a way to honor their ancestors (traitorous) wartime deeds, while many (black) people had ancestors swinging in trees right next to this flag. See the problem? Taking the flag down won't solve racism, it won't make the life of the average black person significantly better, but the fact that so many people fly it with so much pride shows that a ton of people are amazingly selfish, ignorant (willfully or not), and completely unable to empathize with those who are different than them. And that's the problem. Today's racism isn't slavery or Jim Crow Laws, it's shit like this where people just don't take the time or effort to consider the fact that the person of another race is actually still a person and perhaps, just perhaps, the things that one person finds benign could be seen as incredibly offensive by a person with a different background. Today's racism is white people saying racism is over or not raising hell when it is suggested that the confederate flag symbolizes racism. If you want to see why people think that, look at a history of Georgia's flags ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Georgia_(U.S._state) ). Do we think it was coincidence that turned our state's flag into an enormous confederate flag right when desegregation was happening when it had never been featured previously? So when this flag that was used as a battle flag by a treasonous band of white supremacists dedicated to perpetuating slavery, a flag that was later used by groups such as the KKK in things like lynchings, is flying on the state capitol building - the seat of the government supposedly by the people, for the people, and of the people - the day after a white supremacist whose room was decked out in this flag went to the most historic black church in the state to assassinate a black congressman and kill 8 other innocent, black churchgoers, I think it is obvious why people would find that incredibly offensive, disrespectful, and unsympathetic. To be fair, I think it got a little out of hand following that with the calls for making it illegal and whatnot, and again, I don't think this will solve any major problems, but I think we can all agree that seeing it fly from the highest point of you government after such an event is just adding insult to injury. That is why people were upset.

[–]AbsoluteZro 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not sure what your comment on racism means. The wrong people bitching?

The confederate flag represented a cause that was mainly about slavery. Unfortunately that is a debated fact, but it is a fact. The Nazi flag was banned in Germany because of the horrible things done in it's name. That wasn't an out of left field idea. It makes sense to most people with a regularly functioning brain. Youre acting like it makes NO SENSE AT ALL that anyone would want to take down this flag with such a clear history to everyone but the people that wave it. It's really not rocket science here.

[–]legitimateusername4 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because it's a good way for people to look down on the South.

[–]MemeUniversity 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh come on, you don't need a flag for that. They have a creation museum with Jesus petting dinosaurs for fucks sake.

[–]disrdat -1ポイント0ポイント  (11子コメント)

Its almost like people that grew up with the flag understand its not about race.

[–]oskarkush 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I grew up around it, and it was a strong indicator of racism. Not 100% correlation, but still.

[–]TheDarkGoblin39 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's a little simplistic to say it's just not about race. To some people it is, to some it's not.

[–]saremei -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

And it doesn't matter if someone interprets a flag flying differently than the person flying it. The same fucking arguments are used against flying the American flag since it can be offensive to immigrants. FUCK THAT.

[–]TheDarkGoblin39 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's bullshit. The American flag is our national flag.

The confederate flag is a rebel flag that many people do wear and display as a symbol of racism. Not everybody who flies it does, but plenty of white supremacists have been comfortable with using it as a symbol of their hate. It also glorifies a time and place when slavery was the basis of the economy.

[–]sbf2009 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fucking immigrants, am I right?

[–]Pillow50 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

I grew up around it; the reb flag is seen as southern pride.

To me that's stupid, because what it actually symbolizes is a time of treason, hate, and the losing side of a war.

[–]flameruler94 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

That and it's not even the official confederate flag, it's the battle flag

[–]saremei -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

It doesn't represent treason. It represents rebellion. It represents not letting others tell you what to do.

[–]sbf2009 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Stop pushing your slavery laws on the rest of the nation."

"FUCK YOU! I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME!"

It's the flag of the intentionally ignorant and immature.

[–]AbsoluteZro 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's fascinating considering the confederate flag saw a revival during the civil rights era. I'd imagine there are actually a lot of people who grew up with it that KNOW it's about race, but would never admit it to themselves or others.

Many others fly it with no connection to race. But that doesn't sever the flags connection to race. I can't wear a Nazi flag and just expect everyone to understand it's because I really like the autocratic system, and not because I have anything against the Jews.

The separation of slavery from the flag is the precise issue many of us have with others wearing it. There is at this very moment, a strong and unfortunately successful movement to revise history. Texas textbooks no longer list slavery as a leading cause to the civil war. And here you are telling me that yeah, the flag as it stands now has no connection to slavery for these people. That isn't a good thing! The Nazi flag should always be associated with the horrors done for it, and the same should apply to the confederacy and its flags.

[–]WTFwhatthehell 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

To take one step into meta:

I see the "feelings = automatically worthy of acceptance" trope which seems to be most popular on a certain social media platform. Feelings may be genuine but they can also be silly, based on incorrect information, based on racist biases, based on fantasy etc. For example a racist white guys feelings about black people may be genuine but that doesn't make them worthy of acceptance.

reactions are not automatically worthy of acceptance. Often they should be called out as wrong, unfair, horrible or foolish.

[–]AbsoluteZro 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree. But so far in this debate here, I haven't heard reactions that are clearly wrong. I myself want the flag taken down wherever it stands in governments across the country.

But there are people with passionate feelings on the other side, with reasons that are far from inane. We don't do justice to this debate when we dismiss the other side as stupid and baseless. That's all I was saying, and somehow you were not the only one to comment on that part of what I wrote.

[–]Marble_Shell -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

So what, it's his fucking right to wear whatever he wants.

[–]AbsoluteZro 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What does that have to do with anything anyone has said here? Do other people not also have a right to judge him?

[–]koeleskab 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Outrage culture is never worth accepting. What is with you kids and every answer more fucked than the former being equally valid. i'm sorry, but 1+1=2 nothing more or fucking less. Quit this bullshit.

[–]AbsoluteZro 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's funny. Having a name like "outrage culture" sort of falls under that stupid group of people who like classifying everything they don't like about society and being outraged by it.

I didn't say anything about accepting all our feelings. I was talking about this debate, and if anyone thinks one side is objectively right, they are an idiot. There are clearly well intentioned people on both sides, and they should be able to have an open discussion instead of being shot down before they can open their mouth.

[–]hiimcdub -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes it does.. your reaction isn't that of one from the South, so how would you know what the attitude feels like down here? It isn't a big deal to anyone but the media and people who don't live in the southeast. We all get along here for the most part and will continue to, most of the people at the state house in Columbia where I live were outsiders that came in to watch the flag be taken down. I don't support the confederate flag, but I don't see it as a symbol of hatred either.

[–]KIRW7 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a black Southerner, people decked out in rebel flag gear remind me of a Dave Chappelle quote: “The girl says "Oh uh-uh, wait a minute! Wait a minute! Just because I'm dressed this way does not make me a whore!" Which is true, Gentlemen, that is true. Just because they dress a certain way doesn't mean they are a certain way. Don't even forget it. But ladies, you must understand that is fucking confusing. It just is. Now that would be like me, Dave Chappelle, the comedian, walking down the street in a cop uniform. Somebody might run up on me saying, "Oh, thank God. Officer, help us! Come on. They're over here. Help us!" "Oh-hoh! Just because I'm dressed this way does not make me a police officer!" See what I mean? All right, ladies, fine. You are not a whore. But you are wearing a whore's uniform."

That's how I feel about wearing rebel flag apparel. You might not be a bigot/racist. But you are wearing a bigot's uniform.

[–]buckduckallday 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm gonna guess based on your genetic BA kround you're a Louisiana man.

[–]Kh444n 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

No. 1 rule of governance is to separate the people

[–]greenwizardneedsfood 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think we can safely say that with all of the hubbub around the flag lately (which I agree was ignoring larger issues and fairly sensationalist) anybody who is dressed like that is making a statement or at least displaying an incredible amount of willful ignorance. I would agree with you any other time except right now simply because it is such a hot topic right now. They are both part of society and therefore aware of the recent hype around the flag from both sides, so I think its safe to assume that at least one of them is thinking what OP implies they were thinking.

[–]dayng7 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or you live in the meth capitol of the nation (Pickens County, SC) and most people dress just like this all the time. Honestly, not much has changed in term of how often you see the flag around here. Every once in a while, someone will have one on their truck which is different, but you're giving the yokels around here too much credit. They don't care about the news, or race, or history or heritage, anyone who says that is trying to make themselves feel better about their half-baked opinion. People around here are cliche southerners- they live slow and easy. So anyone who's wearing that flag around here isn't trying to make a statement, leave that to the college kids. They're just wearing the clothes they've always worn. Source: Dirty racist redneck bigot (I mean, someone with an unbiased view)

[–]Slaskpojken 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It doesn't have to be offensive to be funny. It's funny because it looks so ridiculous, a man completely dressed in the confederate flag and cowboy boots buying dip and cigarettes, and the cashier happens to be black. It's like something from a sketch.

[–]idledrone6633 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

So wait, why would you buy cigar rolls if not for blunts?

[–]langrisser 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Welcome to /r/funny where the joke is nothing that's posted is actually funny.

[–]yupanotherdisposible 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well at least he's not wearing a confederate flag. That's "the battle flag of Tennessee". Which only makes it more humorous that all the law makers and the general public have proven they don't care or know about history what so ever.

[–]pensky_material 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Isn't it actually the Confederate Battle Flag of Northern Virginia?

[–]guesses_gender_bot 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What people are too stupid to realize is that the south wanted to retain slave labor because as a primarily agricultural area, their tools were only human labor. This is the era of the industrial revolution, along with newfound taxes to create a strong new industrial infrastructure in the north where the businesses were typically factories that benefitted from these tools. The south was paying for things they couldn't use and being told that they then could no longer use the labor that made their businesses profitable. They thought this a strong reason to secede. Along with the secession came other ideals like states rights over federal law that included the abolition of a federal draft.

So no people, the confederate flag does not stand for "hurr hate dem nayggers" in ANY era of its existence. In the mid 1800s it was a symbol of "let us run the south our way" which today evolved into a simple connotation of "southern pride"

[–]analogkid1 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just because random white guy A wears anything with a confederate battle flag doesn't mean he's a racist or ignorant bigot.

Yeah, it pretty much does.

[–]Jedsterdfw -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

The mere statistical chance of you being an older black dude on Reddit as opposed to you being a white dude between 18 & 24 are very slim; coupled with the fact you're defending this guy leads me to believe this comment is a steaming pile.

[–]Gingrich2016 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

His very long post history confirms that he is a black man living in the south and also a firefighter/ paramedic, which means that he is probably older. The world doesn't always neatly fit your stereotypes.

[–]TreePlusTree 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

With my mathematical formula, I have concluded you are 18 and white. Bow down to my new school of mathematics called "profiling".

[–]lendrick 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, I can't tell blackness from comments, but I'd you look at this comment history, it's clear that he's an old dude from Louisiana. I doubt he's been maintaining that character in anticipation of making this comment. Bullshitters, in the other hand, tend to be different things from comment to comment.

[–]knee-che -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

With a username of OMGWTF-BOB, lol.

/r/AsABlackMan

[–]themagicbong 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, this man was buying goods with money he earned, gasp!

[–]Roses88 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair, that's how I look at every customer that I wait on

[–]EnderFenrir 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Very good points. The dude looked funny though right?

[–]_Tibs_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a former landscaper, when one of my coworkers (white or black) buys cigarillos, I assure you he is rolling a blunt with 100% confidence. While in college, the friends I had who smoked weed (white and black) would never actually smoke swishers. Those things are for blunt rolling in all my experiences

[–]Melkor_Morgoth 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The cowboy boots with raggedy cutoffs ensemble is funny by itself. The look on the cashier's face is also pretty amusing. The reb gear just completes it. If he'd been a clean-cut guy in a crisp stars-and-bars t-shirt buying a sports drink and a newspaper, it wouldn't have been funny. And I'm a white guy from rural northern Vermont, so I can speak for all rednecks when I say that this pic is inoffensive to my people.

[–]sexrobot_sexrobot 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

As a northern white person, I'm offended that the flag of treason that cost this country over a half a million lives is proudly displayed not only throughout the former Confederacy but throughout the country.

Symbols aren't stupid, they are meaningful, just like how the American South is dotted with hundreds of monuments to the people that engineered the most destructive war in American history. Guys like Nathan Bedford Forrest who after defeating the US garrison at Fort Pillow massacred the black soldiers. Forrest followed this up after the war by helping to found the KKK. The same organization that wholeheartedly adopted the stars and bars when it became the official flag of those opposing civil rights in the South.

So I don't quite understand why you think it's nothing.

[–]truecrisis 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

While the symbols have a history, they no longer have the same meaning. A symbol needs a leader and a following to mean something.

With no leader or following, the symbol means whatever the person viewing it or using it wants it to mean.

[–]Rocky87109 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Symbols are symbols. They can hold all sorts of meaning and be used to lie and confuse people. There is a quote that goes something like, "pay attention to the moon, not the finger that points to the moon". Huxley talked about it in the context of fundamentalist religion. Taking any symbol of meaning literally causes all types if problems. For some people have an obsession over symbols and that includes flags. Flags are a material object. What they represent is very subjective depending on the person or culture.

[–]makingredditangery 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

See this is the problem. That is how you view the flag, but a lot of people see it in a different light. To them it means something else. To many people in the south it is an unofficial symbol of the region. A region that has been looked down upon by the rest of the U.S. for hundreds of years. When you show your displeasure of southerners flying the flag, it only strengthens their want to fly it. There is still some us vs. them feelings in the south. However, the rest of the country's exposure to the flag is mostly from its unfortunate association with racial issues and thus have a different feeling about the flag.

[–]hAMBERglarr -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for this. Sincerely.

[–]korvyr1 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You think just because you're old that you deal with the "racist issue", that black people now adays no longer deal with it?

Fact : racism still exists. It's systematic. It doesn't go away just because you want it to. Congratulations on being old and black, maybe you don't care, but some people want to move the generation along to stop systematic oppression, and since you don't care - we will.

Enjoy the rest of your life.

[–]MooseTheEmpath 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for saying this. I'm sick of everyone jumping on the flag hate bandwagon

[–]MrUnnderhill 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just dip would have been mildly stereotypical. Dip AND cigarettes? Jimbob has achieved redneck level 9000, which perfectly coincides with the clothes he is wearing and thusly, makes it funny. Coming from a white southerner who uses dip, I feel like I can speak for all of us when I say: bless his heart. Also, the look on the cashier's face is priceless.

[–]DownvoteDaemon -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

As another black redditor I'm not surprised people would gild your bullshit.

[–]MormonDew -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

The flag and the confederacy are racist. Read the declarations of secession of each state in the confederacy. They wanted a stated based on slavery and racism. Southerners argue they show the flag to celebrate the brave southern soldiers. You do that without the flag. Not all German soldiers were racist or Nazis but they don't wave the ss and nazi flags they fought under.

[–]Keltic_Rage -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm curious.... are you a black American? Because if you're not you are completely missing the point.

[–]Tactis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow, this was way different than I expected it to be after the first few words.

I think it's that people literally go out of their way nowadays to be offended, to feel entitled to something, even if that is only the right to be mad, or a "look at what he's doing! Somebody dooooo something!". I just wish more people would have their own opinions, and not need Facebook or the news to tell them how to feel. From what I remember, people didn't really give a shit about that flag(offensive wise) until the media really started pushing that it was offensive.

[–]SpeedyVT -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is there really a specific race in the United States anymore? Rhetorical question. I mean in some way one person is related to another, unless they're from another country all together and immigrating. Really we're all just human brothers and long lost cousins.

[–]GiantNomad -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

You don't speak for everyone.

[–]repoman -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just because random white guy A wears anything with a confederate battle flag doesn't mean he's a racist or ignorant bigot.

It does now. Thanks Obama!

[–]Highly_Literal -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

"As an older black man" ...procceeds to be super offened over nothing...

nothing new here boys move along

[–]redhededguy -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You....you are my hero today.

[–]iiCUBED -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is going to make a great copypasta

[–]p0tent1al -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

yeah but a lot of black people are quick to find offense racially by any means. Half of your post is basically your own opinion on the matter, and half of it is blaming it on media but that's very simplistic.