[META] Let's talk about talking

andrew2209 · 1ヶ月前

Don't get me started on the "I disagree with this person!" reports we get.

Am I reading that right, are people genuinely reporting comments just because they disagree with them?

ucstruct · 1ヶ月前

Its weird how SRD kind of gets swept along in different directions. I remember when the mods had to make mega threads on gender wars posts to cool the sub down because there were too many MRA type posts, now its kind of swung the other way.

People do tend to use this sub as their soapbox, getting people to cut down shitposting is a good start. Maybe more megathreads are in the cards in the future?

LizzieTheFox · 1ヶ月前

Man, fuck these hitler mods.

NuclearErmine · 1ヶ月前

If we stop shitposting and circlejerking, though, how will we ever get anything to r/subredditdramadrama?

Perhaps this should be something added to the sidebar? Also, examples are always great, especially in context (like pulling an actual comment thread from the past and posting it as an example of a shitpost).

Maybe its just my personality, but I get absolutely terrified of being a shitposter, and it takes a lot of effort for me to work up to posting anything (along with many revisions).

Crackertron · 1ヶ月前

It's pretty sad that you have to keep reminding people to not shitpost.

Oxus007 · 1ヶ月前

Everyone knows there has been an influx of "SRD =SRS" talk lately. I just want to say that I disagree that it's gone that far.

With that said, there has been a tonal shift in the sub over the past year. Whenever this is pointed out, you hear the general argument of, "you're miss-remembering, it was always this divisive, just in the other direction. You're just butthurt that it's not YOUR way anymore."

Maybe I'm naive, but it would be nice to not have a clear bias in EITHER direction. Wouldn't it be fun to go into a thread in SRD, and not know the structure of the comments based on the title of the thread alone?

In a thread recently about GG (everyone's favorite topic), I saw another "blah blah ethics in journalism" meme posted within the first 4 comments. I commented that this meme that we've all seen 100+ times in SRD over the past 6 months would be the top post. Lo and behold, it ended up sitting at something like 600 karma, while my post was voted double digit negatives.

Who gives a fuck about karma right? The point is I knew this generic "shitpost" would end up as the top post. Just as you used to know "This is good for bitcoin" would end up as a top post in bitcoin drama however long ago.

There are so many truly funny and creative posters in SRD. There are similarly, a ton of poster who provide real and thoughtful insight when they post more serious comments. There's also a contingent of posters who are farming SRD for karma by posting the same set of generic and lazy comments that they know will reach the top, and downvoting anyone else. Why are we championing so much shitposting and generic memes?

CantaloupeCamper · 1ヶ月前

I feel like without moderator action a warning like this just gets the attention of folks who otherwise ... likely wouldn't do that. Meanwhile the others just roll on or don't get it.

This community now gets some mid sized to big threads ... almost none of those folks in those threads will have read this.

WorldOneWon · 1ヶ月前

So does this mean you'll be nipping circlebroke comments in the bud? Because that would be awesome.

EDIT: You should start banning "actually it's about ethics in X" since that's the lowest of effort post. Same with "This is good for bitcoin"

RachelMaddog · 1ヶ月前

i think this subreddit would be better (worse) if only I was allowed to comment. think about it please I love u bye bye.

DoBetterReddit · 1ヶ月前

Honestly? Most of the "discussions" here are pretty bad. It's pretty much "YOU'RE A CIRCLEJERKER" "I'M NOT CIRCLEJERKING" "CIRCLEJERK CIRCLEJERK CIRCLEJERK"

SRD is only good for pointing and laughing. When it comes to serious discussion, SRD posters' opinions are just as dumb as the rest of Reddit's.

JIDFshill87951 · 1ヶ月前

This sub should be about making fun of how ridiculously angry and emotionally invested people get in stupid shit, not about taking everything super seriously and just replicating the retarded drama in the linked threads. This sub is for laughing at silly drama, not escalating it.

joaoGarcia · 1ヶ月前

I did not know this subreddit before the fattening and love how you all just wanna see the world burn as people say shit without know the facts. Just subbed, someone hand me the precious butter.

lrich1024 · 3日前

Well, to be honest, that's why I usually lurk more than comment here. I feel like I don't have much that would add to the discussion most of the time. Totally wish other people felt the same way sometimes instead of just posting low effort comments.

elfa82 · 1ヶ月前

So if I'm understanding correctly...

N8theGr8 · 1ヶ月前

I don't know how much I want to type here, lest I turn into a copypasta, or a "it was better before Digg" rose colored glasses type comment, so I'll add here ways I think people can improve their comments. This is something I typed up a few months ago, so I'm sure there is room for improvement, but here it is:

Providing interesting comments is tricky. You have to be a good communicator and successfully present your idea. Here are a few methods I have noticed, and some other thoughts as well.

Obviously the best method is to be funny. Humor has been the subject of discussion for a very long time. I think the TL;DR tends to be to make a connection in an unexpected way. Dickbutt.

Another method is to provide several topics at a time. This allows those seeing your comment/content to pick something specific to respond to, and it lets the other person drive the conversation. It involves more people, and generates more interest. One example would be to examine how some of the "here's my crib" posts perform, karma-wise. A single photo would probably not do as well as several selected shots throughout the domicile. Include several thoughts or ideas in your comment.

Make a comment, ask a followup question. This prompts the person to whom you're responding (or in general, in the case of a public web forum) to becoming engaged in your comment.

Be short, be concise. Brevity is the soul of wit. Don't be a chatty Cathy. Get to your point, and get out.

The idea is to elicit a response. It's easy to do in some subs, although this method doesn't always work, but Namedroping someone will get your comment noticed. Unidan got this all the time, but Vargas and WayFairer have to deal with it, too, among others, I'm sure. /u/_lilpoundcake, /u/mar10wright, and /u/reverend_green1 will definitely see this post, although that possibly would have happened anyway.

Re-read your comment before posting. Make sure the word choices flow well. Is there a better way to phrase it?

Be mildly controversial, but in a way that the group agrees with. Use vulgarity sparingly. Use everything sparingly.

Stop using old worn out jokes. Make new connections, and new ideas.

Metaphors and analogies can be useful if used correctly.

My thoughts are beginning to turn into a ramble which resembles a lasagna that has only been in the oven for 20 minutes. Go out there and make some quality comments, people.

CViper · 1ヶ月前

Can there be a rule stating that "good for bitcoin" jokes must be really clever otherwise they'll be deleted?

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eganisdone · 1ヶ月前

When will you ban me for shit posting because that's literally all I do. Even the long posts are just shit posts.

If I get banned I demand you also ban "this is good for x" "triggered" "found the fatty" and "freeze peaches" I mean seriously freeze peaches is just lazy.

JonAce · 1ヶ月前

Outside of SRD, I've seen redditors calling us SRS-lite. I think they're wrong, however that doesn't mean they are.

Basically: MORE FUNNY DRAMA, LESS POLITICAL RABBLE RABBLE.

ArchangelleRomney · 1ヶ月前

I always got the impression that you liked SRD the way it was.

LalaLiru · 3日前

I'm still somewhat new to this sub of Reddit, so can someone explain what a shit post is so I can avoid doing it? Not that I comment much anyway, but I'm also curious what it means.

Jacksambuck · 1ヶ月前

As someone who leans antisrs, I don't mind the massive SJW infestation. I don't even mind the flurry of downvotes for anything remotely critical of the reigning ideological line in this sub, cuz I'm brave. But a shitlord can't even get a discussion going anymore. Downvotes and snarky two-word replies, that's all an old forgotten soldier for the white capitalistic patriarchy can hope for nowadays in this hellhole. You can't even suggest a woman in a thread didn't act in the most angelic way possible without being told to "go back to TRP". Argue or get off my ass, pinkos.

NotAJIDFShill · 1ヶ月前

The great discussions in SRD are truly great

The what? Now you're just making shit up.

And the so called "great discussions" are usually a shit hole. Because as you said, you get downvoted if against the jerk. You will have 200 comments "discussing" and it will be that one poor soul against everyone.

Doesn't matter that the poor soul was an idiot, it just seems maybe some people need to lay off that downvote button.

KomaruWolf · 1ヶ月前

Yeah, can't say I'd be sorry to have low effort shitposting cracked down on somewhat, as well as general Circlebroke-ness, as much as I've been occasionally guilty of both in the past. I wouldn't want to see this place go too far in the other direction, tho, not that I think anybody in the current mod team would try and make it totally serious business.

the_status · 1ヶ月前

I'm really glad this post is happening, but goddamn if it isn't poorly timed.

celocanth13 · 1ヶ月前

Says the fucking mod that told someone to kill themself because they didn't agree with them.

two_bagels_please · 1ヶ月前

Lurker here (at least more lurking than posting):

I think it's a good idea. I don't know why anyone would want shit posts and not quality comments. Still, it's hard to moderate, enforce, or even just encourage, since there's no clear definition of a "shit post."

What I would be more interested in is [fill in the blank]-free weeks. Granted, I do more reading than commenting, but I find that a lot of trite comments follow the low-hanging fruit of drama. You mentioned that we love steak drama. I don't, and I know a lot of users agree with me. Yet, we constantly see it, and it generates similar sentiments over and over again. Rather than encouraging subscribers to write more thoughtful comments, prevent repetitive topics! Every week, you can ban one kind of drama. People could even vote on it during the week prior. It could be something like this:

WEEK 1: No Steak Drama

WEEK 2: No FPH Drama

WEEK3: No Bitcoin Drama

Etc., etc.

Thoughts? Have the users fish for interesting material.

[deleted] · 1ヶ月前

Don't mind me, I'm just here so I can compare someone to Hitler. Or maybe Hitler is getting stale.

Ya'll are a bunch of Maoists!

Mouseheart · 1ヶ月前

No shitposting
No preachy opinions
No smug ego-wanking

Damn. I think I've been doing this the wrong way from the beginning!

crawfs42 · 1ヶ月前

What's your opinion on ironic shitposting? Because to be perfectly honest that's all I do on this sub.

lenaro · 1ヶ月前

So, is the issue short circle broke comments, or short comments in general, or circle broke comments in general?

Barl0we · 1ヶ月前

It's reasonable...But I was kind of hoping the title referred to not giving people we're laughing at username mentions. Now that everyone gets an orangered when they get mentioned, I feel like linking them to the SRD thread is kind of mean.

CANOODLING_SOCIOPATH · 1ヶ月前

I've always considered SRD the non-shitposting version of SRS. Personally my problem with SRS was always that it took on the attitude of a circlejerk and refused to allow for discussion, which I find fun.

So I'm glad that you are taking a stand on shitposting. There are plenty of subreddits where it is appropriate but SRD is not one of them.

Nechaev · 1ヶ月前

Isn't this where you start lying in the bed you made?

the_unusual_suspect · 1ヶ月前

Socrates died for this shit

[deleted] · 1ヶ月前

Why are the efforts to fix up SRD just futzing around at the edges? If you want to end the shitposting, set your sights on ending the insufferable circlejerking.

The last new rule I saw was about criclebroke-ish headlines, this post is about low effort comments. Those are light cosmetic tweaks. You'll just get bland headlines that have slightly more wordy circlejerk posts.

The level of effort does not matter when you compare 5-word snark or 500-word /r/smugredditdrama material. Any why would anyone waste effort on a well-written resonable-person post when they know the response will be one of the two options above?

Importantguy123 · 1ヶ月前

Silly rabbit, Modding can't melt dank memes

In all seriousness thought I think these changes are fine, but.... I like my status with some redditors as a cabal calling shill-asaurus rex :^(


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