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[–]mcctaggart 371ポイント372ポイント  (78子コメント)

Spez, there has been accusations for years that a cabal of mods have sought to control a number of subreddits to suit their own political agenda. They censor posts and comments. This censorship has been documented on subreddits like r/politicalmoderation, r/subredditcancer r/moderationlog and r/undelete. You can search these subs for individual subreddit names to see the content they have removed.

r/worldnews, r/politics, r/europe, r/unitedkingdom, r/ukpolitics have all been guilty.

To give a couple of examples, r/europe bans people just for saying ISIS are inspired by the Qu'ran.

When the Tunisian terror attacks happened, the removed the thread about it saying it wasn't relevant as it happened in Africa despite the shooter targeting Europeans on holiday. This was one of those rare ocasions when it was such a big story, there was uproar on the sub so they had to relent. Many deleted stories go un-noticed by the community though.

Another excuse they will use to remove content they don't want people to see is to claim something is "low quality". Recently for example When someone posted amateur footage of African immigrants shouting that they had a right to live in Germany, they removed it and said the footage wasn't professional.

They also removed a thread about African migrants attacking tourist in Mallorca for the same reason.

Here is a thread about the time they removed all threads about Muslim migrants throwing Christians out a boat in the Med because "racists are using the story to post racism". This was another time they had to relent after so much uproar.

This "low quality" excuse has been used on r/unitedkingdom too. One time a user posted a picture he took of a poster in a public school. It read that music was haram and the work of the devil and warned students not to dance. It was a top post and then the mods removed it. They eventualy had to come up with this reason that the picture was not taken by a professional. They then added this rule to the sidebar. r/unitedkingdom has become famous for purging UKIP supporters (a political party which wants to leave the EU). This is often talked about on r/ukipparty. People are banned for no reason other than this. One banned user was recently told in a modmail that "he sounded a bit ukipppy".

This happened during the last election for Ron Paul supporters on r/politics. They would use tactics like remove posts and then an hour later re-approve them when they were much further down the queue, once someone protests or make up some excuse why it was deleted.

There was a lot of uproar when r/worldnews kept delting any Snowden stories and would not consider Glen Greenwald's The Intercept a news source. Pretty sure they did this for RT News too IIRC.

That's why there has been so much anger from some of us here and support for transparent moderation. People like u/go1dfish have been banned for trying to bring transparency to reddit. He created a bot to re-post deleted posts which some mods hated and even banned people for posting on his subs.

Reddit used to be a great forum over five years ago when conent was not curated and censored by a band of particular mods who have dug their claws into this site. Are you planning anything to make it great again and bring transparency to the moderation? As you know many of the subs who are censored now grew large when there were free-er. Some became default subs and it is extremely difficult to get uncensored alternatives off the ground and make people aware of them. Maybe alternative subs could be advertised on large or default subs so people know they have options?

[–]tamrix 54ポイント55ポイント  (3子コメント)

Almost 7 years here, I can confirm this is true.

Don't forget now r/technology is off the default subs after "moderator disputes" caused all their content to disappear for weeks. So you're never going to see another SOPA protest like you did in 2012.

[–]FilmMakingShitlord 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I didn't see anything on TPP on redigg, it was actually actively removed from /r/news for being "political".

[–]mcctaggart 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

yes r/technology is another one. r/tech was the alternative created after there was so much uproar. but none of these subs gain much traction as these big subs hold too much ground already.

[–]chewb 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

RIP Aaron Swartz

[–]diversity_is_racism 41ポイント42ポイント  (2子コメント)

Spez, there has been accusations for years that a cabal of mods have sought to control a number of subreddits to suit their own political agenda. They censor posts and comments. This censorship has been documented on subreddits like r/politicalmoderation, r/subredditcancer r/moderationlog and r/undelete.

If you want to know what is eating Reddit alive, it is these petty totalitarians and their interference.

[–]rstcp 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tell me more about totalitarianism, /u/diversity_is_racism

[–]28DansLater 39ポイント40ポイント  (0子コメント)

The lack of transparency is one of the biggest problems on Reddit, and the fault lies with mods who mod ideologically.

[–]SlyRatchet 4ポイント5ポイント  (12子コメント)

Mod here of /r/europe here.

If you think that all of us mods are such SJW who want you all to only have nice tolerant attitudes to everything, how do you explain /r/europe being so racist so often? If we're all super left wing SJWs, who are trying to turn /r/europe into a beautifully accepting paradise, then we must be doing a pretty shit job of it. The moderation team gets attacked from the right because it's too left wing, and attacked on from the left for being too right wing. I like to think that puts us in the middle.

As a moderator, my (and I think my co-mods) main goal is simply to allow for a place where genuine discussion can be had about Europe. I don't mind where that discussion goes, so long as it at it remains high-ish quality and doesn't advocate violence in anyway. All of our mod policies are done to help achieve those three aims.

You can cherry pick little examples where it looks like we're pushing an agenda, but 95% of the time we can give you a very good reason why it's been removed which has nothing to do with what you're talking about. And with the 5%, sometimes we make mistakes. We're only human and we're all only here in our free time because we love the subreddit and we love what it stands for and we love discussion. We're not experts. We make mistakes. And if you send us a mod mail with a questionable judgement, we'll reconsider it and maybe over turn it, because we recognise that we make mistakes.

Mods are not the problem. Mods are the people who allow this site to function. The reason /r/europe still has so many great discussions (and we do have many great discussions) because it is enabled by sensible moderation. Could we do better? Yes. We could start by more effectively combating the brigading from /r/SubredditCancer and /r/ShitRedditSays. Brigading is the real thing stopping free speech on reddit. It's like having a small room filled with people having reasonable, polite and interesting exchanges of ideas and then somebody runs and shouts their opinions until everybody else's is drown out. A mod's job is to keep those people away, so that a genuine discussion can take place. That's the key, but unfortunately the moderators do not have the tools to do it effectively, which means we've had to resort to crude implements like ban hammers. That's why /r/europe joined the Black Out after the firing of Victoria a.k.a. /u/Chooter. We want to enable more and better discussion. That's all I want to do, and so far as I do, that's all my co-mods want to do.

[–]mcctaggart 34ポイント35ポイント  (5子コメント)

Your censorship speaks for itself so I will just link to some of it:

Some of us are trying to document it to bring it to light and we will continue. You abuse your positions to ban content you don't want people to see and discuss on trumped up charges like "low quality content" just because video footage was shot on a camera phone. The real reason is you just didn't want people to see it. You ban people for criticising Islam and even have a rule that people are not allowed to give the opinion that some cultures are incompatible. You make mega threads on some incidents like large Muslim terrorist attacks so you can limit the story's impact and only have one thread to read and censor. You pretend it is because you don't want the subreddit swamped in posts about it yet when the sub is swamped with stories about the latest news concerning the Greek crisis, you do not create a mega thread. We see the same pattern of abuse on all subs which the cabal mods operate on.

This is why r/european exists.

[–]rivalin 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

The moderation team gets attacked from the right because it's too left wing, and attacked on from the left for being too right wing. I like to think that puts us in the middle.

That's a complete non sequitur that people like you always use. There were Soviet revolutionaries who said Lenin was right wing, that didn't make him "in the middle" any more than you are.

Here's a simple test, list all the mods of /r/Europe and simply characterize their views as left of centre/right of centre or centre. I'll bet every single one of them would either be left of centre or centre, that's not "in the middle".

[–]SlyRatchet -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Definitely not. Out of the five mods that I know the political opinions of (unsurprisingly, we don't talk about politics much, unless you consider moderation politics) one is a Pirate, one is a Green, one is a Labour/Social Democrat, one is economic laissez-faire liberal, and one is a Eurosceptic. So that's two left, one centre and two right.

To be faire, it surprised me that there wasn't more unity of political opinions.

[–]Ivashkin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Center right liberal here.

[–]JtheE 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's why /r/europe joined the Black Out after the firing of Veronika a.k.a. /u/Chooter.

Thanks for the explanation, but I just wanted to point out your small typo: /u/chooter is Victoria, not Veronika :)

[–]SlyRatchet -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah thank you. Dyslexic moment. Edited.

[–]mmencius 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You wrote a lot of words but didn't address what he actually said. You're very welcome to apologize for those specific errors if you wish, but saying "occasionally we make mistakes" isn't a specific error.

[–]_riotingpacifist 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

People like u/go1dfish[19] have been banned for trying to bring transparency to reddit. He created a bot to re-post deleted posts which some mods hated and even banned people for posting on his subs.

Spamming a subreddit is not 'bringing transparency to reddit', it's trolling and idiotic.

[–]0Faith 10ポイント11ポイント  (13子コメント)

Nothing out of what you mentioned surprises me and I agree even though we'd probably not agree politically at all.

r/worldnews is the worst sub on reddit. Complete shitshow and youtube quality comments.

r/europe is not much better either. Full of liberal right-wingers (because no, they are not left wing). You know, the kind of people who would vote for Tony Blair.

As a western european leftist, reddit disgusts me when it comes to european politics. It is what is making a lot of people think the "left wing" = SJW.

[–]SistaSabuda 0ポイント1ポイント  (12子コメント)

Leftwing is sjw. Not liking it didn't mean it isn't true. No true leftwing. Simple test- who do they vote for and support. Socialism, communism, Marxism, anti capitalism. That is firmly left. The global body of the left has a big problem with thinking all problems are caused by the opposition, and move any problems to the other camp to maintain a phony facade of intellectual and ideological purity. You want leftwing politics go to /r/politics or go to Europes version and eat the downvotes like the us rightwing does in /r/politics.

Also, what is a liberal rightwinger. As an American these are two contradictory terms to me. We refer to the left as liberal and right as conservative.

[–]ispq 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm kinda going to have to agree with the Liberal Right-Winger post. All major American politics is fundamentally derived from Classical Liberalism, itself an outgrowth of the Enlightment. This includes what we in the US call liberals, conservatives, and libertarians.

We tend to simplify our politics in the US down to us and them, in this case left and right. We really do have a more complicated and nuanced political spectrum than that, but you can't get elected at the National level by mentioning that. It's also why folks like Ron Paul and Donald Trump are in the same political party, but go and read their political beliefs, in any other country they would belong to two opposing parties.

[–]Safety_Dancer 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

SJWs are authoritarians masquerading as liberals.

[–]0Faith 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They are stupid middle class kids that lack the intelligence to form an actual complete political stance and have to dumb things down to single issues they think they can understand so that they find something to feel they can be "activist" about and feel good about themselves.

[–]huge_hefner 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Left-wing authoritarians masquerading as socialists. "Pure" liberalism is arguably most similar to libertarianism, and it definitely has no inherent connection to left-wing rhetoric. A true communist would scoff at the thought of being called a "liberal".

[–]Safety_Dancer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I say liberal because they try to paint anyone that opposed them as a conservative. Literally using the word as a pejorative.

[–]Scottmk4 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's nothing liberal about the left.

They are leftists being leftists.

[–]0Faith 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Also, what is a liberal rightwinger. As an American these are two contradictory terms to me. We refer to the left as liberal and right as conservative.

Exactly, as an american your political education is very limited. In terms of the global spectrum, there is no left in the US. Being socially liberal alone does not make you "left wing".

My post is not about US politics so I',m confused as to why you're responding at all to something you clearly don't understand.

[–]I_am_very_attractive 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Really? In terms of the GLOBAL spectrum?

So nice to know that in the spectrum with Iran on one side and the Netherlands on the other, the United States' liberal wing does not even rank as liberal.

There absolutely is a leftist part of U.S. politics. Just because it all seems fairly conservative to someone coming from one of the ten most liberal countries in the world does not actually make it conservative.

tl;dr you have your own cultural bias you're perceiving our country through, too.

[–]oldneckbeard 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

and this tiny disagreement right here is the kind of healthy discussion to have on reddit, but I could make a convincing case for /u/0Faith trying to stifle /u/I_am_very_attractive 's speech.

[–]JB_UK 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Reddit really is credulous.

I am a mod of r/europe, and the guy you are upvoting (currently at +271) is one of the main figures behind r/european, which is an explicitly racist and white-supremacist subreddit. Some highly upvoted recent content that took me about five minutes to dig up:

  • Rise of the Sleeping White Giant : Nationalists Around the World Unite to Fight White Genocide, source

  • AMA with a Holocaust Denier, source - details here

  • "Good. I hope these doped up, white guilt riddled, indebted up to their eyeballs pussified Americans fuck off home and never return for anything longer than a short holiday. There's only one problem with 'nativism' in Europe. There's not enough of it.", source

  • [Gay marriage] is a sham. Homosexuals don't want to get married. The average fag has literally hundreds of sexual partners. About a third (yes) of them have over a thousand. That's right, a thousand plus "sex partners". The point of "gay marriage" is not to give homos "equality" - as they are already a de facto moral nobility in the West - but to further degrade the institution of marriage, to ridicule it...lmao. Crawl back to /r/europe, that's where fag lovers like you belong. Ignore reality, deviant...Nice, you're parroting the jews' line perfectly. source

  • I live in America, so allow me to explain! Here in America, you're pretty much considered a racist if you don't bend over backwards to talk about how much you love niggers and wetbacks so much.source

Him and his group set up r/european after they were banned for repeatedly brigading r/europe, and for pushing racism and bigotry by repeatedly submitting racist and agenda-pushing content from sockpuppet accounts.

Oh, and MccTaggart's post is directly linked to from the top post on their subreddit.

[–]somesillydude 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Him being a racist dipshit does not change whether you censor things.

Stop painting herrings and address the things he said, or admit that he is right.

[–]Purpledrank 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

But they are pedos too! Pedos I tell yah, don't listen to anything they say!

[–]Teleoplexy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So the mods of /r/Europe are explicitly against the idea of Europe continuing to remain ethnically European? Uh oh! Someone sound the cuckold alert!

[–]mcctaggart -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I notice you didn't link to anything I ever posted. r/european is an uncensored alternative to r/europe. I don't agree with or like everything that is posted there but I use it because I was banned from r/europe for describing Islam as a savage death-cult. I'm not complaining that r/europe removes racism or homophobia. I do complain about the heavy censorship of legitimate posts and opinions, some of which I have linked to already here in a previous post.

[–]Purpledrank 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

THE PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH ME ARE RACISTS. DON'T LISTEN TO THEM.

[–]Froghurt 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

go1dfish has been banned for spamming the same copy-pasta about ellen pao for weeks.

[–]dakta 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He was philosophically annoying for a long time, but I interacted with him and didn't have any problems. It seems that only recently he went completely off the rocker.

[–]Naotomi 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am glad someone brought this up, but I am annoyed it's overlooked.

[–]Cat_on_a_unicycle 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Don't know what your talking about with /r/Europe /r/worldnews there are comments upvoted into 4 digits saying Muslims are bad that don't get deleted.

[–]chaanach -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm part of that cabal RT is putin's propaganda source btw

goldfish also went crazy and was spamming chinese thingies in all sorts of subreddits, that's how he got shadowbanned

[–]spank-me-library 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

These are the questions I came to see answered!

[–]Al_Cohol 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

/u/spez

[–]csehszlovakze 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

r/europe had a mod that supported war crimes (crnaruka) but they removed them as the sub ceased to function because lots of comments demanded their removal.

[–]-moose- 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/3djjxw/lets_talk_content_ama/ct5rr29

[–]sorasonline 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This will never be answered.

[–]trinsic-paridiom 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good luck getting a response from spez on anything other than his bullet points.

[–]FalseTautology 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

How strange, no response to this.

[–]MadeUAcctButIEatedIt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So create another sub that doesn't do that.

[–]tungstan -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why so one-sided? You aren't impartial with your targets. You want Reddit to intercede only where it fits your own personal political interests, by removing your enemies. That's no better than what you are complaining about.

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    [–]isReactionaryBot -5ポイント-4ポイント  (14子コメント)

    mcctaggart post history contains participation in the following subreddits:

    /r/subredditcancer: 15 posts (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8), combined score: 609; 40 comments (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8), combined score: 199.

    /r/european: 497 posts (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8), combined score: 5524; 539 comments (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8), combined score: 3376.

    /r/undelete: 2 posts (1, 2), combined score: 88; 1 comments (1), combined score: 4.

    /r/conspiracy: 5 posts (1, 2, 3, 4, 5), combined score: 59; 3 comments (1, 2, 3), combined score: 30.

    /r/MensRights: 4 posts (1, 2, 3, 4), combined score: 75.

    /r/Libertarian: 1 posts (1), combined score: 1.

    /r/KotakuInAction: 1 comments (1), combined score: 3.

    /r/GasTheSnoo: 1 comments (1), combined score: 3.

    /r/TumblrInAction: 1 comments (1), combined score: 11.

    Total score: 9982

    Recommended Gulag Sentence: Execution.

    I am a bot. Only the past 1,000 posts and comments are fetched.

    [–]TheBlueFederalist 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This bot is calling for the execution of someone for their opinions. Paging /u/kn0thing and /u/spez to read into this bs from /r/fullcommunism.

    [–]recruit00 1ポイント2ポイント  (12子コメント)

    Ahh, so he's a racist who's mad he can't post about how immigrants are gonna destroy Europe

    [–]mcctaggart 3ポイント4ポイント  (11子コメント)

    If I am a racist, why can you not link to any racist comment I have ever made?

    [–]recruit00 -1ポイント0ポイント  (10子コメント)

    You have posted 497 times to European which is known for being incredibly racist and hateful towards any non-White Europeans

    [–]Al_Cohol 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

    so you're saying he's "guilty by association" that doesn't sound fair.

    If reddit all of a sudden start supporting fascism would that make you a fascist? ehhhh no.

    [–]recruit00 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (3子コメント)

    He called Islam a death cult. Need I say more?

    [–]Al_Cohol 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Islam is a religion not a race.

    I'm an ex catholic and think Christianity is silly and backwards, does that make me racist? if not why not?

    If being anti Islam = Racism then so should being anti christianity.

    Tell me what colour skin or what ethnicity a muslim is and I'll agree with you.

    [–]recruit00 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Islam isn't a race, but if you asked these guys about the massive amount of Indonesian Muslims, they wouldn't know about it or care because they are focused primarily the middle eastern Muslims

    [–]mcctaggart 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I post on on r/european because I was banned from r/europe for giving my valid opinion that Islam is a backward death-cult. r/european is a completely uncensored alternative to r/europe as one was needed due to their egregious censorship. If I have posted racsim, why can you not link to any?

    [–]Romebeach 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Can confirm, I don't think you're a racist at all.

    [–]mcctaggart 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Thank-you and thank-you for participating on r/european.

    [–]xu85 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I haven't seen you on ukpolitics for a while, I expect you're on /r/ukipparty now? Anyway, long time no see.

    [–]mcctaggart 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    /u/cantThinkOfAnyCounterArgumentsBot Mapleyy