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ETHICSPlayboy's Katriel Paige includes game dev Anna Megill in her list of "6 women whipping the video game industry into place", doesn't disclose Megill is paying her through Patreon. Megill works for Brianna Wu, who is also included in the list. Author says dev backed her AFTER the article, she lied (self.KotakuInAction)

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So the author Katriel is backed by dev Anna Megill through Patreon

The author includes dev Megill in her list of "6 women whipping the video game industry into place" on Playboy here

https://archive.is/eLmHh#selection-1953.3-1953.14

But doesn't disclose that she's getting paid by said dev here (albeit a minor sum, she's only using the account to back her)

https://archive.is/CSmE9#selection-663.1-663.12

As can be seen in her article, Brianna Wu is also on the list. Brianna Wu is employing dev Anna Megill.

The author tried explaining that she started backing her AFTER the article went live (which would also be weird, to start recieving money from someone you included in an article less than 8 hours before) in this tweet

https://archive.is/HKpVP

But as can be seen here https://archive.is/hnZ2W#selection-1009.0-1009.13 the dev started paying her on June 25, more than two weeks ago. Also confirmed by this tweet

https://archive.is/EUx5R

"BUT IT'S A SMALL SUM!!1"

The game dev was also backing the author on a game she was making herself called Die Nachtblume

https://archive.is/ICdNy#selection-2029.41-2029.67

And might have donated to her to go to MAGfest

https://archive.is/HbbLm

They have a friendly relation as well, with tweets of them going back as long ago as April 2013

https://archive.is/Ilgci https://archive.is/qJsaz (I'm sure you'll find more dirt in these haven't had time to read it all, so please do!)

Even mentioning they've "helped" each other

https://archive.is/GpulV

Funny enough the author also included Depression Quest as no.1 in her list of "7 games that will make you a better person"

https://archive.is/v5Azw#selection-1973.0-1973.18

Thanks to /u/YESmovement for the original link to the article and /u/middlekelly for the Patreon heads up

EDIT: Article has been updated with a disclosure - http://i.imgur.com/kLwCD2q.png

GamerGate saves the day once again!

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[–]GoingToBork 363ポイント364ポイント  (61子コメント)

The article was corrected to say that the Patreon backing started in some magical time period between when the article was written and when it was published. There's still no mention of the dev backing the author's game, though.

This is the problem with games journalism. Not just the ethical breaches, but that they assume everyone else is as lazy and stupid as they are, and that their audience won't notice that she wrote an article about her friends and acquaintances rather than talking about other women as important as Rhianna Pratchett.

Hey games journalists, if you're reading this, here's a good list to start: Aya Kyogoku, Jade Raymond, Amy Hennig, Pauline Jacquey, Jane McGonigal, Mari Shimazaki. Go to it. If you think you can.

[–]centrum5555 137ポイント138ポイント  (19子コメント)

the women you mentioned are far too successful and busy to talk with some random bloggers

[–]LamaofTrauma 37ポイント38ポイント  (17子コメント)

the women you mentioned are far too successful and busy to talk with some random bloggers

I don't know, the playboy name probably carries some weight still. Some might be willing to take a bit of time out to talk.

[–]centrum5555 14ポイント15ポイント  (15子コメント)

the last time i saw a playboy was 1996 or so. although i never read the magazine myself.

but maybe since ever publicity is publicity after all.

[–]Ssilversmith 36ポイント37ポイント  (12子コメント)

Playboy used to have some hard hitting articles, surprisingly. They would interview people the MSM wouldn't give the time of day, they used to deconstruct narratives not add to them. Playboy used to be one of the few magazines left that would do actual journalism.

Used to bem

[–]hannahranga 32ポイント33ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hell Fahrenheit 451 was first published as a serial in it.

[–]oceanbreezy 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unrelated but interestingly, Hefner has most likely been a CIA asset since Playboy's inception.

[–]beethovens_ear_horn 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

I remember when I was 13 or 14, having acquired a Playboy, and reading articles on the threat of terrorists using ricin, and an interview with Ralph Reed on the rise of the Christian Coalition, after having fapped to Donna D'Errico.

[–]Strazdas1 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

Playboy was an odd journal (no idea how it is now). It lured people to buy it with nudity, but actually used to have good hard hitting articles in it. the idea was that "men would read it while sitting on the toilet" and it worked. it actually carried a lot of journalistic weight despite being sold as a porn magazine. No idea how it was doing in the last few years though.

[–]godpigeon79 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Comes from Hugh Heffner (sp?) Wanting to be more than just a smut rag. Also the "real" articles and stories made it protected by second amendment because it provided more to the general reader than nudity.

Remember most, if not all, nudie magazines were below the radar local things before playboy came around.

[–]CannibalNecrophiliac 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think you mean first amendment.

[–]Scorch052 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, all Playboy magazines i've bought come with a 1911 taped to the back of them. Don't yours?

[–]CannibalNecrophiliac 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mine support the first and second amendment by coming with a hollowed out bible with a Glock in it. Oddly enough, my GQ magazines come with nuclear bombs.

[–]godpigeon79 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, stupid quick typing out on a phone at work... Not enough time to do a proper reread

[–]douchecanoe42069 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

IIRC lots of famous authors got their big break via playboy publishing their short stories.

[–]Strazdas1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes. Ray Bradbury to name one.

[–]scttydsntknw85 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They had excellent articles on Sir Patrick Stewart and Keanu(sp?) Reeves.

[–]TheWastelandWizard 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I first found Vonnegut as a young boy stealing my grandpa's Playboys. The articles were surprisingly better than the boobs in most cases. Sure, the boobs are nice, but Playboy actually had substance.

[–]Qui-Gon_Booze 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not sure about the magazine, but I know that the playboy brand is apparently a very successful clothing company in China. Either that or someone is just making bank off their name and logo.

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    [–]iNEEDheplreddit 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Someone like R. Pratchett is probably a little more cautious about being seen to associated herself with people like them. They maybe more willing to destroy the primary demographic of their product. Ms Pratchett not so sure she is that dim.

    [–]LamaofTrauma 25ポイント26ポイント  (8子コメント)

    she wrote an article about her friends and acquaintances

    This is somewhat more tricky. You're not going to stay in business long if you don't write about your acquaintances, because pretty soon, most names in the industry will rise to the level of 'acquaintance'. Remember, when aGG says "you can't be completely objective", it's not that they're wrong, it's that they're tilting at straw-windmills. Pure Objectivity is like perfection, you'll never attain it, but it should be worked towards. In an enthusiast press, you're going to make friends. That you're probably acquainted with whoever you're doing a story on should be able to go unnoted because honestly, it's expected. Hell, technically, you're an acquaintance with them by the time you finish the interview.

    We aren't here to rip someones head off and shit down their throat because they've met someone before. Patreon donations? That matters. Meet every sunday for beer? That matters. Met at a friends wedding? Not so much. Happened to be in the same bar in the same time frame before? Not so much. Sleeping with them? Fucking matters. At one point, both worked for the same international fortune 500? Probably doesn't matter unless you can show they actually worked together. Roommates? Matters. Once played a multiplayer match together during a press event? Err...expected? You get the idea.

    [–]Rolling_Rok 15ポイント16ポイント  (6子コメント)

    In my opinion, they are free to blog about whoever they want, as long as they disclose their relationship with them so that the reader can judge the article on his own instead of getting told that Wu is one of the most important female devs in the gaming industry and that Sarkeesian is the most influential person in the gaming industry, when almost nobody bought her game / is buying the games they specifically endorse to buy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NWpC-CMz8I

    [–]Strazdas1 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Actually Sargon wasnt right in that video as he didnt have the correct data (at that time it wasnt available i think). The sales DID increase, and for such and old and obscure game - quite significantly. There is however lag in steams data reporting which is why Sargon got caught seeing no increase. you can only see the real effect couple weeks after.

    [–]Rolling_Rok 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Do you have some sources on that claim?

    http://i.imgur.com/jGQDZvI.jpg

    This is todays data on it. Sarkeesians Video went up on 31th of March. It had absolutely no affect on the game for ~3 weeks. I don't know about a site where I can look up sales on the game (not only on steam, but other sites that might have influenced the next weeks), but why wouldn't a YouTube video not spike sales immediately? We've seen with other Youtubers that their videos had an effect on sales right from the get go. TB even had a satirical video where he absolutely slandered a game and that game had a spike afterwards. So much even that the Dev thanked TB for even making the video.

    [–]Fenrir007 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    What game was that? The one TB slandered and sold more?

    [–]Rolling_Rok 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I've spend 25 minutes to try and find the video on his channel and via google search, but I can't find it. Sorry. Curiously, most of my google search terms led to gamergate and ZQ related stuff, although the only term related to GG should has been "Totalbiscuit" and not even that much, really.

    "game developer thanks totalbiscuit after satire video"

    For example. Even in a new incognito window. I remember being it a shitty puzzle game with some kind of extra fortune wheel (not sure about that) and a cat(?) mascot. If you want to go through his videos, that might help you find it. It should be at least two years old, maybe even older. I tried to look for it, but at one point I couldn't "load more" videos.

    [–]Fenrir007 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Nah, its cool. I was curious but not that curious. Thanks for looking for it, anyway.

    [–]Strazdas1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    look closer. the week after the video the players double, which is significant for that game. Also according to developers, steam only accounts for 7% of the sames (51% on iOS for comparison), so its hardly the best measure.

    Also there is a significant difference in audience size between TB and FF. TB is, after all, ther largest PC gaming channel in entire youtube.

    [–]Lugash 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is a great example of why we've been so successful as a 'movement'. We eschew bureaucracy in favor of common sense. We're not out to catch a journalist who forgot they once shared a flight with a dev. And yet, if they joined the mile high club together, that would present cause for disclosure.

    Basically we have common sense as a shared value. Hard to fight against an army of reasonable folks. :)

    [–]Chrossler 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

    TIL Terry Pratchett had a pretty cool daughter

    [–]mancubus314159 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It's nice still being able to talk about "Pratchett" in positive terms, in the present tense, and as a creator. I noticed this reading various comments about RP today. I'm sure he was very proud he was going to leave someone behind who was still actively creating worlds, on top of his own body of work.

    [–]EnigmaMachinen 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's not just games journalism, it is all journalism. Why do you think they have it out for us an label us as they do? Because we have the potential to upset their business because we see and can prove how corrupt it is.

    [–]RollingEyeballs 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'd like to add Kim Swift to that list.

    [–]Teuthex 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Man, I loved Quantum Conundrum.

    [–]Lhasadog 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It doesn't matter if the Patreon payment happened before or after the articles publication. That is the nitpicking that these modern so called journalists throw about to confuse we dumb rubes out here in flyover country. The simple fact is the payments are in close enough proximity to the article to leave a clear impression of a "quid pro quo". Would Wu have ever given money if not for the article? Does it matter if it was before or after? It's still unethical as all shit. This would traditionally be a firing offense for any publication. These days sadly it's just business as usual. A freelancer literally selling positive coverage in a major international publication.

    [–]g-divA nice grandson 7ポイント8ポイント  (22子コメント)

    and acquaintances

    Honestly, it really is a small industry. At some point, especially if you're in any public facing position or media, you're going to have met a pretty considerable number of folks whom you could consider acquaintances.

    And that's fine. We need to be reasonable with this type of stuff. They can't cut off 100% contact from everyone, and including disclosures for, "I was at a party and had a few drinks with this person 3 years back, and since then we've chatted a few times at other industry events with dozens/hundreds of attendees." is ludicrous.

    [–]SupremeReader 51ポイント52ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Honestly, it really is a small industry.

    Tens of thousans of people worldwide working right now, at least. Including thousands of women.

    Also did you guys see Wikipedia's list of all 7 allegedly "Notable women in the video game industry"?

    Lebanese entrepreneur Reine Abbas is best known as a co-founder/partner of Wixel Studios. Abbas began in the video game industry as head of the art department in DigiPen Institute of Technology/AKE for six years during which time she worked on several projects, including game production and illustration (in both 2D and 3D), character design, and modeling as well as other artistic projects. er expertise includes not only digital painting but training in the traditional arts as well.[71] In 2008, along with Ziad Feghali and Karim Abi Saleh, Reine Abbas worked to found Wixel Studios. Wixel is one of Lebanon's first ever gaming companies. Their latest game, Survival Race: Life or Power Plants, a game available both for iOS and Android, focuses on “post-global warming Middle East with two unlikely Arab heroes: Salem, the young Saudi wheelie stunt champion and Abu Ahmad, a middle-aged botanist.”[72]

    [–]Rolling_Rok 40ポイント41ポイント  (0子コメント)

    There is a gigantic difference between

    we've met 2-3 times in ~5 years because we attended the same events

    and

    I shared an office with them for a few years

    they invited me to play games with them

    we regularly communicate via twitter

    they backed my patreon

    I financially backed their game

    They send me this ultra rare press collectors edition that is worth several hundred $ on ebay

    We've had Klepek as a topic recently. His report about BamHam:AK sounded fishy as hell. We all knew that WB is to blame, but he made a lenghty article about how the guys at Iron Galaxy aren't responsible at all. How hard was it to just write a disclosure that he's friends with the CEO? He IS friends, because they invited him for gaming session, he shared office space with them and the CEO appeared several times on Klepeks podcast. On the other hand, we've had that article about VaatiVidya where some redditor claimed that they are friends, but his only 2 sources have been 2 quite neutral tweets that could have been messages to get an interview with VaatiVidya.

    It's not about "yeah, we met a few times", but about regular contact, financial backing, promotion, favors, etc. And btw. the industry is gigantic. The problem is apparently that so many companies are located in the same area. Well, it shouldn't be a problem, but because game journos don't write 2 sentences to disclose their ties with some people it is.

    [–]choufleur47 28ポイント29ポイント  (12子コメント)

    I'm only commenting on the ''small industry part''

    The SF gaming industry might be small but just in the city of Montreal there are already thousands of them working in gaming. At my previous employer we had more women than men in all departments except for programming. Across the 5 studios, there were more women artists, PM, Producers, Operation manager and marketers than men (only a few game designers though as guys usually have more experience there). Every studio had at least 1-2 woman lead (usually art or PM) and multiple women producers across the company.

    The reality distortion field coming from the Cali coast is not representative at all of the industry. It is much more culturally and sexually diverse than any workshop or manufacturing plant you can think of AND it pays well. Mobile games are also having the CoD (or WoW) effect of converting non-gamers to gamers and a lot of girls who never played games in their entire lives are now playing mobile games every day with passion. In 10-15 years you'll have a new generation of IT workforce and women will be all over it, like they start to do in engineering. My sister started as one of the 3 women in the faculty 5 years ago to being one of hundreds now. That's just one campus but the trend is only accelerating.

    So yeah, not that small, but i agree with you there's no need to go overboard with these acquaintances things. The real problem is that monetarily supporting a game dev is not something normal in the industry outside SF and picking a woman you give money to in your list of best women in gaming is total bullshit and reeks bias since there are so many great women to pick from. In her list of 6, 4 have basically no relevance in the industry and are only in the list because the are women promoting feminist stuff, not because of their achievements.

    [–]TehRawk 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Honestly, it really is a small industry.

    You are kidding right?

    [–]GoingToBork 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You're right that acquaintances don't need to be disclosed, but I still think there's a real problem with the laziness of the article. Taking a premise of "I'm going to write about important women in the gaming industry" (a really, really good idea, I think) and distorting it to "I'm going to write about Rhianna Pratchett and five people I know well" (much less of a good idea) rather than engaging in some basic research or, gasp, some interviews. It promotes cliquishness, contributes far less than it could to the audience's knowledge, and keeps the author's perspectives narrow and ill-informed.

    [–]Strazdas1 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Honestly, it really is a small industry.

    Yes, its so small that its only the largest entertainment industry in the world.

    [–]g-divA nice grandson 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Yup. But if you're in the industry and end up going to some trade shows, you quickly run into a lot of the same people over, and over again. And if you stick around for a few years, you'll end up working for/alongside a ton of people due to how often people change jobs/get laid off when games don't do well.

    [–]Strazdas1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thats hardly a problem. meeting somone at a trade show is not a problem. living with somone for a year is.

    [–]forcrowsafeast 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    "honestly ... small" ... Annnnddd we've now established you're completely full of shit.

    [–]scttydsntknw85 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Never mind I did some googling and found out.

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      [–]WilliamUsherGBWilliam Usher 447ポイント448ポイント  (26子コメント)

      Update - http://i.imgur.com/kLwCD2q.png

      Sir Logan, you are a true harbinger of ethics. I salute you.

      I saw a tweet earlier about this and I'm glad that they added the disclosure post-publishing.

      If they hadn't added the disclosure I would have e-mailed the EIC, and failing that would have used your sources to do an article. It's so much more efficient for them to just add the disclosures and avoid the smear.

      I'm glad KiA stays on these topics like hipsters stay on Patreon.

      [–]g-divA nice grandson 105ポイント106ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I'm glad KiA stays on these topics like hipsters stay on Patreon.

      Thanks for the late night guffaw.

      [–]thelordofcheeseCalled out the heads of Wikimedia, like a BOSS 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Hey, if you like guffaws late at night, take me to dinner and a movie then have me back at your pace for coffee.

      [–]Rolling_Rok 44ポイント45ポイント  (6子コメント)

      There is still the question why they don't disclose/research BEFORE someone calls them out. Why do random people on the net have to fact check and dig to make sure something is legit and no CoI is going on?

      [–]RedHotBeef 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Because they don't want to if they don't have to, no one else is looking for it, and there's minimal risk even if caught.

      [–]TheSingularThey 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

      They probably don't even think about it as something that would be a problem. It's just friends helping friends, m8.

      [–]kfms6741VIDYA AKBAR 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Complacency.

      [–]thelordofcheeseCalled out the heads of Wikimedia, like a BOSS 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Corruption.

      [–]YESmovement 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      And why the writer dismissed disclosure of being unnecessary- it was hrs after she and Playboy were tweeted about it that it was updated.

      [–]Earl_of_sandwiches 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Because glowing press from an unbiased source is infinitely more meaningful than glowing press from one of your friends and/or financial backers.

      These people aren't forgetful or incompetent. They're corrupt.

      [–]Logan_Mac[S] 70ポイント71ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Thanks m8!

      [–]Mondayexe 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

      There goes my hero!

      [–]Jack-Browser/r/TheCommentGraveyard 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Okay, just this once: all hail the dragondragon slayer :D

      [–]descartessss 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Ha, they are victims of their own narrative. They are so focused to falsely accuse gamergate that now they HAVE to do what gamergate was asking for to avoid derails.

      [–]ArgonGryphon 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Do I even want to know that they're saying about ffxiv?

      [–]Caristinn 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

      I certainly hope they're not being racist by criticizing games made by a studio full of PoC!

      [–][deleted] 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Do Asians count as POC today?

      [–]Ssilversmith 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Well the did last week, so no.

      [–]ArgonGryphon 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Do Asians count?

      [–]yvaN_ehT_nioJ 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Depends on how well-off they are

      [–]Pyrhhus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I thought you had retired from GG? Awesome to hear you're still around, love your articles!

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        [–]raffastafarian 99ポイント100ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Awesome games like Revolution 60 are definitely helping to whip the video game industry into shape.

        Also, my lobotomy went fine. Everything is fine. Revolution 60 was futuristic and cool. I like birds.

        [–]sean_seany 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Slow steady breathing and take tiny steps, you know what the surgeon said.Come on m8, i'll take you back to your room :)

        Why am I not surprised about this , I wonder what else will be dug up. A quick scroll through her tweets reveals the usual suspects.

        [–]jwyche008 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Shit dude birds are awesome!

        [–]D1screet 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

        A small video footage of the game was enough time make me want to retch.

        [–]staytaytay 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

        You know, I feel bad for them because the game could have actually looked much more professional if they had a decent lighter or shader writer on their team.

        All things considered they came a lot closer to having a good game than it appears. And getting a game out the door - even a bad one - is still a huge accomplishment.

        [–]D1screet 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Absolutely, getting a game out is no easy feat. But with claims like how it was some great feat done by a WOMAN -GASP- in the gaming industry and that it was this breakthrough in game-design and intense storytelling is really what makes this game incredibly cringe-worthy.

        It's surprising to find out that they developed the game on Unreal Engine 3 (the same engine utilized by Bioshock Infinite), and even stranger when the game is praised as "the modeling is gorgeous, the animation delightful, the music engrossing, and the voice acting outstanding."

        It seems less like 'yay we made a game' and more like 'omg we did some SUPER important'

        [–]ToTTenTranz 124ポイント125ポイント  (4子コメント)

        "6 women whipping the video game industry into place" - Then proceeds to talk about 6 completely irrelevant persons who do twine crap and no one ever heard of them. Oh and Wu, whose greatest achievement was successfully victimizing herself.

        EDIT: Missed Rihanna Pratchet, of course (thanks for the heads up!). The only one who is actually in the business.

        [–]its_never_lupus 39ポイント40ポイント  (0子コメント)

        The article is awful... it suggests the only way a woman can get into the industry is to make friends with corrupt journalists who will then promote her terrible game.

        Whereas a moments research could have given the author the names of many female game devs who have made significant contributions to the industry.

        [–]TheMindUnfetteredGrand Poobah of GamerGate 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Rhianna Pratchett does have a legitimate career in the industry, at least, even if I mostly know who she is because of her father.

        [–]ncrdrg 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Pratchett isn't irrelevant though I see your point for the other 5. That's the issue with those social justice circles, they consistently value ideology more than achievements. Aside from her, in the other 5, you have non-devs, twine devs, Brianna Wu and one that helped design some obscure indie click adventure game that looks very average. They have no business being on a list of influential women in the game industry,

        [–]Rygar_the_Beast 55ポイント56ポイント  (15子コメント)

        Why do these people keep giving each other money? Arent they all poor and shit? Whats with this ..... common pool of money they seem to be building......

        [–]santaclaws01 46ポイント47ポイント  (2子コメント)

        On the contrary, a lot of them are pretty well off.

        [–]gargantualis 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Just like the 'art' scene. some well off and their followings of scenesters, moochers and poisonous socialites. Outside of candy crush. This is nothing like a GAMING demographic.

        If there was a high end game they were actually curious about that was platform exclusive, or needed certain hardware to run, these type wouldn't be bothered to shell out for the experience.

        Thats the kind of dedication gaming lives on.

        [–]thelordofcheeseCalled out the heads of Wikimedia, like a BOSS 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        You mean their parents are well off.

        [–]subreddit_llama 26ポイント27ポイント  (1子コメント)

        They have trust funds from their mummy and daddy, which means they don't have to work, yet seem to think everyone else is privileged.

        [–]BabaXIII 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

        They have to believe (or make you believe) that you're privileged and they are oppressed, otherwise they'd have to accept how privileged they truly are.

        [–]GuitarAnthony 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Patreon is a circle jerk. They probably all give each other the same amount so it all breaks even but they can have appearance of supporting each other.

        [–]mancubus314159 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        While this is likely true, Patreon takes it's cut (I heard it was 10% but not checked myself), so they are slowly bleeding themselves dry as they shuffle this same pot of money about. Fine by me!

        [–]thelordofcheeseCalled out the heads of Wikimedia, like a BOSS 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        But they convince the SJWs with victimization complexes to donate. It's like megachurches.

        [–]13thmeerkat 14ポイント15ポイント  (6子コメント)

        Puts on tinfoil

        It's the easiest way to launder the drug money.

        [–]LamaofTrauma 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Honestly, I'd just do an arcade for that. Public service of running a cheap arcade + I miss arcades.

        [–]Strazdas1 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

        when it comes to laundering money you want something that can have a lot of "tips" because tips are easy way to hide the tracks. you can do cash tips, noone regulates the tipping size and if you have a high costumer turnover you wont reach suspicion-high tip-per-costumer. you may be running a loss for the business for all you care, the tip laundered money will make up for it and when drug money runs out you can just close the business under a guise of not profitable.

        Not that i ever laundered money.... I just like logical challenges like that.

        [–]Roast_A_Botch 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Except a tip-based business requires a lot of employees. Kitchen staff, servers, host(ess), dishwashers, which all cost money. If you don't have those employees, you're automatically suspicious and they are looking for laundering operations. No launderers are operating tip-based businesses to launder large amounts.

        The point of laundering is running a cash based business, that can be operated by few employees, Laundromats, the classic example, are perfect for this. Arcades are good as well,

        The trick is that you make customers appear out of nowhere. You might only do $20 of legitimate business a day, but the books show you had 300 customers and $5,000. Since it's all cash there's no way to verify through checks/CCs and you're taxed on the income, which makes that money clean.

        If you're a small level dealer(couple thousand profit/week), getting a job as a pizza delivery man is a good way to clean money. In that case you might make $100 in real tips, but you claim $300, which you're taxed on. You can then live a much more lavish lifestyle without worrying about being audited or attracting LEO attention.

        [–]thelordofcheeseCalled out the heads of Wikimedia, like a BOSS 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Coffee stand.

        [–]Strazdas1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        but.... just have the employees. i see you chose a diner as such business, fine, have those people, serve costumers, do the stuff, even for a loss, your job is to launder money thats far higher than the business costs are going to be.

        donations > costumers. you dont have to pay taxes on donations. you dont have to consider donations as costumers (thus you can have no adequate consumption). its much harder to track the origin of donations.

        Actually in my country the most popular method has become car repair shops. they buy broken cars from western europe, pretend to fix them (but actually dont) and then dump them in russia while writing it off as "Selling". though they are being tracked now i guess, its always better to use business that isnt famous for that stuff.

        [–]slimthigh 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        You can make tip arcades. Where people just load the machine with $$$ and let the kiddos play.

        [–]weltallic 49ポイント50ポイント  (7子コメント)

        Gamergate proves once again that they are the bodycams to the gaming journalist's cops. Oh, the things they would smugly be getting away with, if only they weren't being watched. And, as always, the panicking and flailing and constantly-changing excuses doth fly when exposed.

        And naturally, this will breed resentment and hate for GG. Because there is no hatred more vicious than the kind shown by people who are told what they're doing is wrong, and they know it.

        Brianna Wu is employing dev Anna Megill

        Dat diversity!

        [–]QcRoman 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Interesting how the men sometimes makes threats but all back out without causing much of a scene, like they know they're in a bad situation and won't come out a winner.

        The women however, they try and push their way through using the car as if they were now more powerful than whoever is actually in front of them.

        I wonder if the physical power the car gives them that they usually don't have against a man in person is not getting to them in some way ? As if the men (in the cars) know, probably from experience, that brute physical force is not the be all end all and the women who are maybe not experienced at all with physical confrontation where they are on same level or have the upper hand might now be a little eager to use that power to get what they want.

        I can't quite express what I'm seeing here the way I would like to but I'm seeing something here quite interesting about the gender and the display of force.

        Maybe the editing is throwing me off, maybe the sample is too small. Maybe. But maybe I'm on to something I hadn't noticed before in these "Stop a Douchebag" clips.

        [–]SweetTumTumBoy 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

        That video simply had a high concentration of cunty women is all. In other videos men and women are pretty similar, where men will pull guns, get out of the car, try to brute force their way past by ramming into them, and so on. Actually in a lot of videos the very worst confrontations come from men being the aggressors. In others it's the women.

        Just gotta be fair by analyzing more videos and seeing who does what.

        [–]mancubus314159 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I love this place. We have some really interesting conversations and we all try and keep each other in check. It's pretty awesome IMO. Well, off to watch a ton of these "stop a douchbag" videos while keeping some tallies!

        [–]Strazdas1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I love this place.

        Same. there is an awesome atmosphere here and people arent afraid to call eachother out while remaining friendly.

        [–]Strazdas1 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Have you seen Briannas "documentary"? It appears diversity = pink hair

        [–]smokeybehr 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Brianna Wu is employing dev Anna Megill

        Dat diversity!

        But they're all LGBTQ. That's 5 degrees of diversity, isn't it? /sarc

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          [–]EnigmaMachinen 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Jesus Christ. Journalism.

          [–]urection 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

          journalism is dead, part 274,326

          nice work

          [–]NumberedDog 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Yes Wu.

          Tell us how you're all for ethics at SPJ

          [–]13thmeerkat 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

          We are how long into this and theses people still don't think writing about someone who is paying is you at a best the appearance of impropriety is astounding. Glad to see the article was updated. Deepfreeze it.

          [–]madhousechild 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Excellent digging! That has got to be embarrassing for Playboy. Do you know if the writer is on staff or freelance? Freelancers love Playboy because it pays well; a big enough slip and they'll cut ties in favor of the next freelancer waiting in line to write for them.

          [–]madhousechild 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

          She is constantly working on various projects, not all of which are game-related, but all relating back to her love of evocative stories.

          What kind of crap writing is this? Playboy used to be known for hiring the best writers. Maybe this is web only, which usually has lower standards, but c'mon. This says NOTHING. Why not just say, "She does stuff a lot."

          She [Merritt Kopas] also edited the book Videogames for Humans: Twine Authors in Conversation, an anthology concentrating on developers who use the online text-based (and often progressive) platform Twine.

          This links to the most godawfully designed page since 1995 for the book, which names 50+ contributors and yet has barely broken 500 sales (the archive version is a few months old and shows 249 so don't get confused). That is not even a blip. For Playboy to give it any press is pathetic. I wonder if any of the 509 sales came from there. Cernovich has already sold more than several times that number and his book just launched. They should be covering his book; it's much more aligned with their readership!

          [–]Logan_Mac[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          How the fuck is a platform "progressive"? Jesus fuck. I get it it's used by no talen hacks to make story-based things that can get called games by their friends at press

          [–]Strazdas1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          "she does stuff a lot" seems to define modern journalism.

          [–]CommanderZx2 18ポイント19ポイント  (3子コメント)

          I remember a time when Playboy used to actually write decent articles, but I guess that's gone out the window now a days.

          [–]hasapoint 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

          There's certainly no Ray Bradbury stories anymore, or anything near that level.

          [–]Luimnigh 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

          ...it has articles?

          [–]SpitfireP7350 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It used to have very, very good articles. I had some really old issues that I've "read". I actually did read them but dun tell no-one. And they had pretty damned good articles even translated.

          [–][deleted] 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

          What the fuck happened to you, Playboy? You used to be cool.

          I can hardly imagine Hef is sitting at his desk going "You know what men want more of, with their naked women? Guilt-tripping about sexism in video games!"

          [–]prokiller 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Maybe he is turning senile.

          [–]ChipyGlitchy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Hef has always been a progressive and a feminist, why is this shocking? Do none of you grasp the history of Playboy?

          [–]APGLuisAPGNation 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

          When will they learn!?

          Being ethical is not hard!

          [–]Neo_TechniDon't demand what you refuse to give. 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Being ethical is not hard!

          They don't WANT to be ethical though, they WANT to get away with it.

          [–]Strazdas1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          never. they will always try to get away with beign unethical, not because it is easy, but because it is beneficial when they get away with it.

          [–]Chrossler 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Jesus Christ, Brianna wu. What a weiner

          [–]mbnhedger 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

          so what your saying is, we sperged out over her not disclosing her apparent improprieties, and demanded she fix it.

          We didnt hate on her because shes a woman, we didnt try to get her fired, we didnt try to run her out of the industry.

          We just went "hey, this doesnt look good on you, you may want to edit it."

          God, we really are terrible at this harassment stuff.

          [–]amnotamoose 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Why do they think something has to be some big million-dollar contract in order to qualify as an ethical breach of reader's trust? Like, you wrote a fluff piece for Playboy, not some investment advisory column on Wall Street Journal; you should still disclose a financial or personal relationship bias in positive press, but we know it's not something you did conspiratorially.

          [–]ggdsf 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          oh so an article with wu in it has something unethical to it? What a surprise

          [–]middlekelly 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

          https://archive.is/HKpVP

          Let's, for the sake of argument, say Anna Megill was not a Patreon supporter of Katriel at the time of writing.

          It doesn't matter: she is now, and SPJ Code of Ethics, journalists should "Avoid conflicts of interest, real or perceived. Disclose unavoidable conflicts." If Anna Megill backed her on Patreon before writing, it is a real conflict of interest. If Anna Megill backed her of Patreon after writing, it is a perceived conflict of interest.

          Either way, it's should have been disclosed up front.

          [–]marius3151854 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Exposing cronyism AND getting them to disclose it? Amazing work OP, thank you for keeping gamergate to its original purpose. I'm quite disappointed by this reddit community due to it being sidetracked by twitter drama, stalking literally who's, general anti-sjw and anti-censorship reactionism, various meetups and charities. But posts like this remind me that there is still purpose to all this.

          [–]jbleargh10,000 sockpuppet get! 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

          This also prof that nobody reads Playboy's articles.

          They can spill the same bs that MarySue/Kotaku/Polygon does and still sell.

          BOOBS RULE!

          [–]madhousechild 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

          I used to look at Playgirl for the long articles.

          Ha, too bad they folded. I love that joke.

          [–]altmehere 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I didn't even know Playboy folded.

          I suppose it's not surprising; even though stuff like Playgirl isn't bad, the internet is a much better source for... entertainment.

          [–]smokeybehr 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          They used to have premiere authors and deep investigative journalism with some nekkid wimmen. Now it's more about the nekkid wimmen, and "whatever" about the articles.

          [–]mnemosyne-0000#BotYourShield 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Archive links for this post:

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          [–]IdioticUsername 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Revolution 60...the "revolutionary" modern mobile game with worse textures than games thatcame out in 1999. Keep writing about your friends' shitty games, it's been proven time and time again it doesn't help them sell.

          Also, it's ironic that they're featured in Playboy...a magazine known for "objectifying" women.

          [–]madhousechild 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Wait a sec. I just went to the updated page and, yeah, they updated it all right! The disclosure includes a direct link to the author's Patreon?! How utterly crass can you get!?

          [–]liquidwax 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          If that's true this should be closer to the top. I'd verify myself, but I'm not going to playboys website on a work computer.

          [–]Dashing_Snow 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Jade and Amy are helping create a new open world star wars game yet this is their list really just really. Not to mention Swift.

          [–]madhousechild 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I have a feeling the Playboy readership would rather see one picture of Jade than six pictures of them.

          [–]Biittersteel 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Don't they ever ever learn? That for the past 10 ½ month, we have been uncovering shit like this? Do they think they will be able to get away with it?

          [–]vigo810 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I guess the real question is, do they actually pay any price for doing it?

          Sure, they draw the ire of reddit for a few days (and some idiots will undoubtedly send on some awful hate mail) but does anything else happen? The vast majority of people who read/see her articles will never hear about this controversy.

          It seems like these "journalists" continue to do these things because they know ultimately they get away with it.

          [–]Strazdas1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          not really. there seems to be no accountability for the journalists and even the worst case offenders seems to be fine (minus a single person who isnt even a journalist)

          [–]Canadian2087 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Good work dude!

          [–]VirtualInsanitaryHas to do all the misogyny around here 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I will always question the status of Depression Quest as a game.

          [–]DanAffid 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Any bet on how long this comment gonna last?

          http://i.imgur.com/1kqtikc.png

          [–]mstrkrft- 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          How disappointed are you that it's still up?

          [–]DanAffid 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Disappointed? I'm happy to see sanity is on the rise

          [–]Ardbug 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Yeah this is great digging !

          [–]zagielCan apparently tell the future 0_o 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          is this the same paige in the twitter? you know, the butts wannabe along with stonemirror?

          [–]Eralun 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Good job!

          [–]purifico 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Who are these women and what is that place where they whip the industry to? Can somebody tldr?

          [–]sexy_mofo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Why are they still trying to pull this shit when it's pretty well known everyone is looking for it these days?

          [–]AltRocket 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          IT'S ABOUT ETHICS IN GAME JOURNALISM

          [–]bishopghost 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

          While trying to destroy the video game industry, SJW have inadvertently killed journalism.

          The problem is that now that we have no useful or trustworthy fourth estate, there's no one to call the government out on its bullshit anymore.

          [–]smokeybehr 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Journalism has been dead for years. When they "investigate" the minutest details of one political party's candidates, but completely ignore (to put it mildly) any details of the opposing party's candidate, going so far as to actively cover negative details up, you know that real journalism is like the desiccated and decomposed flesh of a corpse.

          [–]Strazdas1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Journalism has killed itself long before SJWs even came around. think 30s to 60s as the time journalism died.

          [–]DEL-J 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Great work here.

          [–]KiltmanenatorInexperienced Irregular Folds 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I love how consistently dumb they are about this. Where have they been the last 11 months?

          [–]MagFreakingNeto 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Her writing is horrible, how can someone be paid for this yet doesn't know you do not start sentences with 'but' or 'and'?

          [–]Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          This is just pushing the agenda. Any real list wouldn't have fucking Brianna Wu on it.

          [–]skunkbollocks 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Sometimes I'll see a post on /r/all from some subreddit I've never really visited and I'll pop in to see how these people choose to spend some of their short time on Earth. I gotta say, this is one of the weirder ones and there's not even a NSFW tag.

          [–]batti02 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          we can hear you over here

          [–]Strazdas1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Well, the subs name does not correctly reflect its contents anymore, as it has became much larger than just kotaku. and yes, it may look like one of the wierder ones, as it was formed more out of a reason (because the topic was banned elsewhere) and not simply because of common interest like most subs. The result is quite unusual sub and i quite like it.

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            [–]Lvl99Shitlord 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Playboy has been downhill for quite some time now, their pandering to the sjw left has hit a new low. Any shit rag that idolizes trash like Brianna Wu and "twitter activists for diversity" are not getting my money anymore. Not that I don't like diversity, I just don't see the point of encouraging people to make their life solely about bitching on twitter. A) I have never heard of the first person on the list, because she is has probably done nothing for the industry at all besides make a hash tag B) Any person that lauds Rev 60 as a success and dosent mock it as a half assed Battle Network rip off ( that plays in violence and sexuality, when the owner of company that made it CONSTANTLY bitches about those things ) dosent deserve to call themselves a games journalist. They are agenda pushers or click whores, it is clearly evident. It dosent take tin foil to see that.

            [–]Phionic 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            mfw Playboy still exists.

            [–]troushers 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I'm also concerned Paige erased Wu's identity as a transgendered woman.

            [–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I read Playboy for the ethical investigations.

            [–]AllDepressedChips 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Whatever her job at Playboy is it definitely isn't in front of the camera.

            Why is it the women fighting to change how women look in gaming always seem to look so unattractively the same?

            Who would want to see any of these women in a bikini? Absolutely disgusting.

            [–]columbine 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Great work, dude.

            [–]XanII 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Good job finding the Dirt with a big D.

            [–]Gravitasmucho 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I have no clue what the fuck this article is even written about

            [–]Revan232 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            tfw playboy is unethical.

            [–]SheriffofBanshee 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Integrity: they have none.

            [–]TheScrumpyMonkeyWriter for Supernerdland.com 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Naughty naughty.

            [–]bunnymud 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Reading Playboy

            kek

            [–]smoledman 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Because Revolution 60 has been such a hit! Oh wait...

            [–]Terelith 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Certainly a hit to Wu and Giant SpaceKat's cred as professionals and as developers. ;)

            [–]Neo_TechniDon't demand what you refuse to give. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Funny enough the author also included Depression Quest as no.1 in her list of "7 games that will make you a better person"

            Gross.

            [–]cvillano 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            the sad part about this is that now because she's been exposed by GG, she'll get more patreon bux. Sometimes I wonder if that's not the original goal

            [–]zingor19 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Haha oh my god, playboy and "game journalists"

            Just looking for 5 minutes on some of this drama would convince even the most optimistic man that all your societies are in free fall.

            [–]LUClEN 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Cronyism ruins everything

            [–]FUBARofPittsburgh 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I have not read Playboy in years (and when I did I did actually read it), but when I did I remember they had pretty high standards when it came to who was writing for them. It looks like standards in journalism are down across the board . WTF.

            [–]n0ne0ther 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            It's amazing that the people who are anti-ethics are neck deep in corruption.

            Who would have thunk it? Also, I love how terrible they are at lying, or is it arrogance?

            [–]phaseMonkey 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I REALLY hope the IRS is keeping tabs on these patreon and gofundme sites...

            [–]Fenrir007 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            If she did lie, then, even with the retraction, I'd say this warrants an inclusion in deepfreeze, as willingly hiding the truth after being caught is most definitely not the expected behavior of an ethical journalist.

            [–]fidelityastro 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I heard she doesn't really like long walks on the beach either

            [–]NotInsane 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Katriel Paige and Anna Megill look exactly like you would expect.

            Jesus, game journalism and SJWdom is just full of the ugliest people imaginable.

            [–]douchecanoe42069 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            How ironic is this?

            [–]Hrondir 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            That Playboy article: 0/10 no tits.

            [–]chivape 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Only timid fuckbrained fucks prefer Playboy over Hustler or Suicide Girls over Burning Angel.

            [–]mnemosyne-0000#BotYourShield 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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            I am Mnemosyne, goddess of memory. I remember so you don't have to.

            [–]JustABaku 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Ah yes, that term I often hear from women when it come to men (especially boyfriend/husband and children): "whipped into place". Like an animal. Because that's what they think men are.

            Animals.

            Pets.

            Not people.

            [–]LionUCS 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Think I'll get blocked? :) http://imgur.com/xGgzYTf

            [–]YESmovement 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I'm sure you will. She blocked the person who 1st tweeted her about the ethical violation.

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