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[–]TheFalken 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

As an Army reservist, I can tell you that reserve centers are extremely soft targets. On a drill weekend, you may have 100 soldiers or more present with 0 loaded weapons easily accessible. This is mainly due to the fear of accidental mishaps. Instead of improving training for soldiers, the answer is to lock the weapons away and keep ammo separated till on a range.

[–]Woolagaroo 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

Oh boy. I usually try to stay away from gun debates, but I have to weigh in on this one.

I don't want to assume anything, but I get the feeling most people here are civilians. The idea that military bases are somehow unprotected or have been disarmed is ridiculous. Every military base I have ever been to has had every entrance under guard by MPs/AFSF/Marines/Police at all times. When I go to work every day, I am checked and waved past by a man with an M4 at the ready. And you can see this in the events that unfolded yesterday. The four Marines that this man killed were all at a recruiting center (and most recruiters I've seen operate out of strip malls or somewhere similar). As soon as he reached the Naval Yard, he was engaged by police and killed.

Furthermore, the policy towards firearms on military bases has nothing to do with liberals. When the DoD and local Commanders decide policies for bases, they are doing so with the order and security of the base in mind, not politics.

This is not a political issue. Don't make it one, just move on.

[–]Aschebescher 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

the policy towards firearms on military bases has nothing to do with liberals

Everything on r/conservative has to do with liberals

[–]Telre 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The deaths were not at the strip mall. "From there, he headed to another location more than seven miles away, an operational support center operated by the U.S. Navy. That's where the four victims and the gunman were killed, Reinhold said."

I don't agree with the conclusions being made, particularly that this is a "thanks obama" moment. I do agree, and so does the history of shootings, that most shootings are done at locations where the shooter believes there is a lower chance of resistance.

[–]Aegisx5[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

"According to a Washington Times editorial written days after the Nov. 5, 2009 attack on soldiers at Fort Hood, one of Clinton’s “first acts upon taking office… was to disarm U.S. soldiers on military bases.”

Clinton’s actions birthed Army regulations “forbidding military personnel from carrying their personal firearms and making it almost impossible for commanders to issue firearms to soldiers in the U.S. for personal protection."

The same theme ran true at the Navy Yard in DC on September 16. Police were called after the shooter opened fired, and reports indicate it took approximately three to seven minutes for them to arrive. "

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2013/09/17/when-military-gun-free/

Edit: According to this article it was not entirely Clinton's fault - the directive banning guns being carried by regular soldiers on base was initially issued by George H.W. Bush, implimented by Clinton, and re-authorized under Obama. So in other words, the RINOs and the Democrats once again worked together to screw America... what else is new?

[–]Aegisx5[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It IS a political issue, because anti-gun groups are calling for more gun control where as those on the rights have called for allowing soldiers to carry on military bases. Obviously, checks are far from foolproof - duh - which is how the Ft. Hood shooter managed to get onto the base with a loaded handgun and shoot several dozen unarmed soldiers in a cafeteria. I agree, the problem is not just with bases themselves, military members should carry at all times, even at the recruiting center or when off base. Why would we not trust the people we trained to safely handle and use weapons to safely handle and use weapons?

Let me tell you a story. I grew up less than a mile from a military base (not a military family, they just liked the town). I won't mention the name of the base because I don't want to give ISIS any suggestions, but trust me to say it was a MAJOR one. Like top tier list of potential targets for an attack. When I was a kid, there was a path behind my friend's house through the woods that led directly to a remote corner of the base where the fence was dug up. We used to crawl underneath and walk around exploring the place. As a teenager - post 9/11 - we would sometimes go visit friends and such who worked on base such as at the commissary. The guards would check underneath our car, in the trunk, etc., but we didn't have to get out of the car. They would have had no idea if we all had two or three handguns a piece hidden under our clothing or inside the cabin.

TL,DR: Gun free zones don't work, not even on military bases. Members of the military are a target and should be encouraged if not required to carry and be ready to protect themselves, their fellow soldiers, and civilians if possible.

[–]Webonics 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

No body thinks this....

[–]Aegisx5[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

They do though. The reaction of the left in the past has been to push MORE gun control, not end the ridiculous prohibition on soldiers carrying guns on military bases.

http://conservativebyte.com/2014/04/gun-control-activists-pounce-chance-exploit-fort-hood-shooting/

[–]chabanaisThe Bird's the Word 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

Billy Clinton disarmed them.

[–]deHavillandDash8Q400 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

We've got this, fort hood, navy yard… any others?

[–]Sumner67 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

nyc recruiting shooting, 2nd fort hood shooting (yep, there was a 2nd one), little rock recruiting office shooting, Norfolk shooting, Fort Knox shooting, Quantico shooting, Fairchild Air Base shooting.

[–]chabanaisThe Bird's the Word 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Navy Yard last year.

[–]moistmongoose 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

I consider myself very liberal. Never knew that soldiers didn't carry on base(which is stupid as hell). With all the recent shootings I guess security on base is pathetic?

[–]jettj14Libertarian Conservative 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Being on base is not much different than being in any other small town community, other than first responders can get to places a little quicker. There's a security gate at the entrance to the base, but typically all they do is check your ID card. Sometimes, they do random searches for things such as firearms, but it's rare.

[–]shodanx 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just close the military bases and reduce taxes, problem solved. If commies attack, patriots will stand up and take'em down.