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« Reply #80 on: February 18, 2009, 08:57:29 pm »
I'd rather die with no one knowing who I am than fight this battle.  I didn't choose to be here.

Then why are you even on this message board? If you're such a defeatist, then I suggest you drink your cool aide, watch the mainstream media, live in denial like all the other sheep and wait for them to come and take you to the death camp. Either that or put yourself out of your misery now by jumping off a high building.
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« Reply #81 on: February 18, 2009, 09:13:15 pm »
Then why are you even on this message board? If you're such a defeatist, then I suggest you drink your cool aide, watch the mainstream media, live in denial like all the other sheep and wait for them to come and take you to the death camp. Either that or put yourself out of your misery now by jumping off a high building.

he's not only a defeatist, he's a coward. any man that doesn't stand up and fight for what is right, regardless of what the outcome may be, is a coward.
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« Reply #82 on: February 18, 2009, 09:15:53 pm »
uh i dont think hes a coward some people are naturally complacent with fighting get your asses out of your head

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« Reply #83 on: February 18, 2009, 09:28:40 pm »
uh i dont think hes a coward some people are naturally complacent with fighting get your asses out of your head
Even when military tech was at quite a lot lower level, guerrilla warfare only works when the people of the land are on the side of the guerrillas.  Just read "Guerrilla Warfare" from Ernesto "Che" Guevara written in 1961.  So, to go out and start guerrilla warfare today would be suicide given that there would not be a support of the guerrillas by the people.  Instead, what would be effective now is anonymous sabotage. 

Most american's today are druggies.  Their drug is entertainment.  Apart from it being a source of propaganda, entertainment is a very cheap drug and won't become unavailable until electricity becomes unavailable.  And so, I would imagine most addicts will stay addicted until the very end and there will not be a support of the guerrillas by the people.

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« Reply #84 on: February 18, 2009, 09:39:38 pm »
Gotta have food, ammunition, and intelligence -- so yes unless you have massive stockpiles, joe-blow civilian help is required.

Don't need everyone on your side, not even half.

More people know what is going on than people let on here on this forum. They are just hanging back to see what happens next.

That's partially how I think -- I believe this is going to happen no matter what we do -- and it's a good thing that it does. After the dust settles people we be talking for one mother f**ker of a long time about what Freedom really does mean, and who we can trust and who we can't.

My .02 cents, I'm preparing for myself and explaining it to anyone who wants to hear, I don't go out and make converts because quite frankly people don't care too much. If they did -- they would research it on their own. Don't flame me, I don't care about your flames. Don't take my 2 pennies if you don't want them.

In closing -- you don't see an swasticas or Nazi bullshit around now do you? Probably because the World witnessed first hand how evil all that crap is. Time for them to be reminded, because clearly the masses forgot -- or never cared.

Fight it to the bone politically, and when that doesn't work, pick up your guns and defend yourselves. I salute all of you!

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« Reply #85 on: February 18, 2009, 09:40:21 pm »
Good luck squashing gorilla movement.

Holy shit did they break out of the Zoo? Those things are huge!

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« Reply #86 on: February 18, 2009, 10:01:58 pm »
Gotta have food, ammunition, and intelligence -- so yes unless you have massive stockpiles, joe-blow civilian help is required.

Don't need everyone on your side, not even half.

More people know what is going on than people let on here on this forum. They are just hanging back to see what happens next.

That's partially how I think -- I believe this is going to happen no matter what we do -- and it's a good thing that it does. After the dust settles people we be talking for one mother f**ker of a long time about what Freedom really does mean, and who we can trust and who we can't.

My .02 cents, I'm preparing for myself and explaining it to anyone who wants to hear, I don't go out and make converts because quite frankly people don't care too much. If they did -- they would research it on their own. Don't flame me, I don't care about your flames. Don't take my 2 pennies if you don't want them.

In closing -- you don't see an swasticas or Nazi bullshit around now do you? Probably because the World witnessed first hand how evil all that crap is. Time for them to be reminded, because clearly the masses forgot -- or never cared.

Fight it to the bone politically, and when that doesn't work, pick up your guns and defend yourselves. I salute all of you!

Swastikas were just used to indicate someone was part of special group.  With that interpretation, you do see a similarity when you look at "I voted for obama" or like messages are peoples' cars and clothing.  I would say that even those who are aware that there is a problem are going to be impotent if they take part in propaganda entertainment.  And further, as I stated in another post, lots of people who are aware are content to sit and listen to alex jones and do no more.  Not saying that the situation is impossible to survive in, simply saying that I would guess the majority of americans are screwed.

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« Reply #87 on: February 18, 2009, 10:20:46 pm »
I knew someone would poopoo my swastica mention and talk specifics.

We are screwed to an extent. We went hit the snooze button too long and let the elite grow into behemoth size before waking up to reality.

People don't trust the mainstream media en masse. Their propaganda is losing it's hold and they know it.

I for one am going to fight like the dickens and throw everything I've got at em should they call out warfare on me and my tribe. I'm just one guy but trust me, I can do a shitload of damage if I'm incited. Carpet bomb me and I can't do much about that though...

Don't worry about it all. Prepare and defend yourselves but don't worry -- We'll either win or die horrible deaths.  No sense in worrying -- unless that worrying leads to something useful. Unless of course you want to have a unnecessarily shitty life -- more shitty than it needs to be with this NWO problem to deal with.

Cheer up folks, only one life to live -- that we know of -- so make it worthwhile and fight the NWO -- but don't be gloom about it, no point in that.

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« Reply #88 on: February 18, 2009, 10:30:44 pm »
Ditch the helmet, ski-mask, and tac vest -- it's all black!

Unless you can somehow camo it.

Or I guess ditch the camo.

Or keep it!

Or don't listen to me at all!

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« Reply #89 on: February 18, 2009, 10:37:10 pm »
It's hilarious to listen to AJ talk about the revolutionary war in the context of a future conflict with today's military.

The "patriots" of that time had support from France (a superpower of the day) and four other European naval powers providing logistics, training, equipment and direct military su...
omg, you're right. guys, i say we quit all this and go work the nwo. I mean, we are totally without french flint-locks over here.

ps. when you're in the truth, you always have god on your side. Now THAT'S a superpower.

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« Reply #90 on: February 18, 2009, 10:44:39 pm »
Well frankly I always found it stupid that the Marines have their desert camo in Iraqi and Afghanistan but this big mono colored green tactical vest on.

Hiding all the time sounds good to me, that's my philosophy at least.

I'm still working on my ghillie suit... I don't know if I want to go colored burlap or stick only vegetation in the netting. Probably end up doing both.

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« Reply #91 on: February 19, 2009, 12:16:04 am »
It's hilarious to listen to AJ talk about the revolutionary war in the context of a future conflict with today's military.

The "patriots" of that time had support from France (a superpower of the day) and four other European naval powers providing logistics, training, equipment and direct military support. Incidentally, the revolutionary war was probably the least important theatre in the ongoing wars in Europe at the time.

The equivalent for today's situation would be if "patriots" had support from Russia or China!

Otherwise where would the organisation come from? The cover to plan, communicate, coordinate etc. etc.

Rag tag bands do not beat professional armies - never have done.

The only hope is that the US military will not attack its citizens, but of course they will not be citizens but "terrorists".

Actually, not a single finger has to be lifted against the government. The New World Order one-world government is destined to fail, because it's economically untenable. Economic law cannot be repealed.

The one-world government will be instituted, but it will only last a short time: a few years at the most.

The reason why is because economic calculation is impossible in a socialist economy due to private ownership having been de facto abolished in the means of production (i.e., land, capital goods, etc.), hence no actual market can exist in factors of production and therefore market prices cease to exist in factors of production. That is to say, in a socialist economy, no means exist in which to engage in rational economic calculation.

The way such governments as the U.S.S.R. and the Republic of Cuba have handled this problem is by referring to prices on the world's markets: of which is a highly inefficient means of attempting economic calculation and has doomed such economies to poverty because the prices obtained in this manner don't take into account the specifics of such socialist countries' economies, but at least such a method of obtaining prices has some connection to reality instead of being totally arbitrary. Yet with a one-world government, there would exist no outside economy in which to obtain such economic data.

Bear in mind that fascism is merely a subset of socialism whereby people retain de jure title to property in the means of production, but the government exercises de facto ownership over said resources. That is, under fascism the government centrally plans the economy in telling such de jure property owners to what ends the resources are put to use. Thus, the impossibility of rational economic calculation applies every bit as much to fascist economies: which, again, after all, are simply a subset of socialism.

And make no mistake about it, this New World Order one-world government that the globalist oligarchy are in the process of setting up is very much going to be a planned economy, i.e., it is definitely going to be some variety of a subset of socialism in one form or another. We can see this is to be the case in many different ways, from the globalists' pushing for such things as animal I.D.ing of farm livestock; Codex Alimentarius; a world central bank; microchipping of the populace to buy and sell; massive enforced population reduction (i.e., mass-murder of most of the world's population); among a plethora of other totalitarian controls on the economy. This New World Order will be the most totalitarian government to ever exist, and as a necessary corollary, its economy will also be the most tightly controlled, as well.

With no economy outside of itself in which to gather the necessary economic data in which to engage in economic calculation, unavoidably the New World Order will quickly collapse.

For the logical impossibility of economic calculation in a socialist economy (i.e., a planned economy), see the following articles:

Ludwig von Mises, "Economic Calculation in the Socialist Commonwealth," translated by S. Adler from "Die Wirtschaftsrechnung im sozialistischen Gemeinwesen," Archiv für Sozialwissenschaften, Vol. 47 (1920) http://mises.org/econcalc.asp

Ludwig von Mises, Human Action: A Treatise on Economics (Auburn, Alabama: Ludwig von Mises Institute, 1998; originally published 1949), Chapter XXVI: "The Impossibility of Economic Calculation Under Socialism," pp. 694-711 http://mises.org/resources/3250
http://mises.org/humanaction/pdf/HumanActionScholars.pdf

Murray N. Rothbard, "The End of Socialism and the Calculation Debate Revisited," Review of Austrian Economics, Vol. 5, No. 2 (1991), pp. 51-76 http://mises.org/journals/rae/pdf/RAE5_2_3.pdf

Hans-Hermann Hoppe, "Socialism: A Property or Knowledge Problem?," Review of Austrian Economics, Vol. 9, No. 1 (1996), pp. 143-49 http://mises.org/journals/rae/pdf/RAE9_1_13.pdf

Of course, while it is unavoidably true that the New World Order is doomed to quickly collapse, nevertheless, the globalist parasitical ruling elite can mass-murder hundreds of millions and and even billions of people in the process of setting up their one-world government, i.e., via World War III, bioweapons plagues, nuclear bombs used by governments against their own populace, extermination camps, etc.

What waking people up to the truth does is, first and foremost, it saves people's souls (i.e., the programs of their minds[1]) by getting people to understand the nature of the New World Order the globalist ruling class is instituting, so that they will not go along with it or receive a mark in or on their bodies in order to buy or sell. Second, by waking people up who then will not go along with this system (including the oligarchy's own military and police), all that much sooner will the collapse of the New World Order come before even more destruction and mass-murder can take place.

But even if all the nuclear, chemical and biological weapons were to be released by the globalist oligarchy in such a way as to have the greatest kill-factor, mankind would still survive and life on planet Earth would go on. And with the governments of the world having all collapsed, not only would mankind survive, but its survivors would prosper in a way never before seen on Earth as the full productive powers of unhindered capitalism are for the first time in human history unleashed in all their glory.

Combined with the already-extant technological knowledge, the progress of mankind would be phenomenally fast as new technological breakthroughs are made at an unparalleled pace. Under such conditions mankind will quickly obtain the practical quantum computer, and with it baryon annihilation via electroweak quantum tunneling: for if one solves the one problem the other problem is automatically solved, as the practicality of both depends on being able to create and maintain a coherent quantum state across many particles.

At the same time, the resolution of brain-imaging technologies will be getting ever finer, to the point where the state of individual neurons can be accurately scanned. Having obtained the practical quantum computer, we will be able to upload our minds into simulated environments that can consist of anything one can think of.

Death and poverty will have been abolished forevermore. Literal Heaven on Earth will have been established.

And with practical baryon annihilation having been obtained, humanity will have the ideal energy resource and rocket propulsion for use in colonizing the universe: as ordinary matter can then be converted into pure energy.

For post-apocalyptic humanity, the word "government" and its synonyms in the various languages will be the most detested curse-word. They will wonder how it is that present-day humanity could have been so deceived as to put up with such a ghastly machination.

For much more on the above subjects, see the below resources:

"God Proven to Exist According to Mainline Physics," TetrahedronOmega, December 26, 2008 http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=122&mforum=libertyandtruth

Theophysics: God Is the Ultimate Physicist http://geocities.com/theophysics/

And see my below article. For details on the one-world goverment prophesied in the Bible, see in particular Section 20.

"Jesus Is an Anarchist," James Redford, Social Science Research Network (SSRN), February 13, 2009 (originally published December 19, 2001) http://ssrn.com/abstract=1337761
http://geocities.com/jrredford/anarchist-jesus.pdf
http://geocities.com/jrredford/anarchist-jesus.html

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1. Regarding the universal resurrection of the dead, given an infinite amount of computational resources, per the Bekenstein Bound recreating the exact quantum state of our present universe is trivial, requiring at most a mere 10^123 bits (the number which Roger Penrose calculated), or at most a mere 2^10^123 bits for every different quantum configuration of the universe logically possible (i.e., the multiverse in its entirety up to this point in universal history). So the Omega Point (i.e., the physicists' technical term for God) will be able to resurrect us using merely an infinitesimally small amount of total computational resources: indeed, the multiversal resurrection will occur between 10^-10^10 and 10^-10^123 seconds before the Omega Point is reached, as the computational capacity of the universe at that stage will be great enough that doing so will require only a trivial amount of total computational resources.
Author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Dec. 4, 2011 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2001) http://ssrn.com/abstract=1337761

Theophysics (a website with information on Prof. Frank J. Tipler's Omega Point Theory) http://theophysics.host56.com http://theophysics.ifastnet.com

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Re: Jones is Totally Unrealistic
« Reply #92 on: February 19, 2009, 12:33:45 am »
Here's what I was looking for before the forum went down



Kinda defeats the point of wearing camo. Wonder what their thinking is in the military.

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« Reply #93 on: February 19, 2009, 12:35:30 am »
military intelligence
nuff said

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« Reply #94 on: February 19, 2009, 12:48:10 am »
You have to remember that it really come down to silhouette. While in a perfect situation you would want to break up all lines and have a complete matching camo, it is not really that important in an urban environment. You either are behind cover or you are shot..... It is a horrible thing being caught out in the open. I can always drop my gear throw on the boonie hat and run for the hills with mags flying out of my pockets. :D

got any extra gear lol

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« Reply #95 on: February 19, 2009, 12:50:34 am »

Note:

1. Regarding the universal resurrection of the dead, given an infinite amount of computational resources, per the Bekenstein Bound recreating the exact quantum state of our present universe is trivial, requiring at most a mere 10^123 bits (the number which Roger Penrose calculated), or at most a mere 2^10^123 bits for every different quantum configuration of the universe logically possible (i.e., the multiverse in its entirety up to this point in universal history). So the Omega Point (i.e., the physicists' technical term for God) will be able to resurrect us using merely an infinitesimally small amount of total computational resources: indeed, the multiversal resurrection will occur between 10^-10^10 and 10^-10^123 seconds before the Omega Point is reached, as the computational capacity of the universe at that stage will be great enough that doing so will require only a trivial amount of total computational resources.

This would have to be a New Deal project  ;D

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« Reply #96 on: February 19, 2009, 12:50:40 am »
Yeah well my get-up doesn't involve a tactical vest that is the totally wrong color. Neener neener. I'll be aiming right for that nice big green blob that indicates "Chest is HERE" down my ironsights if these fruitloops declare war. Of course it is more likely to be UN troops, in that case there is a nice big blue blob that say "Headshot me please!"



These guys are just a joke



Not scary at all, almost funny.

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« Reply #97 on: February 19, 2009, 01:57:55 am »
If you cant beat them join them ;D Just kidding......I have a ghillie suit if I want to be really sneaky...You dont have to hide if you are doing a daytime assault. I was a US Army Ranger Sniper, I am licensed through the CIA and  I am on the red list, no doubt.

Especially if your in the middle of a building.  Camo doesn't help much there either.  :-P

Regardless, that is an excellent set up.  If you have the food and the water and a genny (which I assume you do) man you are one independent American Patriot. 

I salute you!

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« Reply #98 on: February 19, 2009, 03:02:12 am »
If you're thinking about urban camoflage why not get a set up like this?




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« Reply #99 on: February 19, 2009, 03:03:39 am »
If you're thinking about urban camoflage why not get a set up like this?






love it.  ;D

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« Reply #100 on: February 19, 2009, 03:40:52 am »
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« Reply #101 on: February 19, 2009, 03:41:06 am »
Actually, not a single finger has to be lifted against the government. The New World Order one-world government is destined to fail, because it's economically untenable. Economic law cannot be repealed.

The one-world government will be instituted, but it will only last a short time: a few years at the most.

The reason why is because economic calculation is impossible in a socialist economy due to private ownership having been de facto abolished in the means of production (i.e., land, capital goods, etc.), hence no actual market can exist in factors of production and therefore market prices cease to exist in factors of production. That is to say, in a socialist economy, no means exist in which to engage in rational economic calculation.

The way such governments as the U.S.S.R. and the Republic of Cuba have handled this problem is by referring to prices on the world's markets: of which is a highly inefficient means of attempting economic calculation and has doomed such economies to poverty because the prices obtained in this manner don't take into account the specifics of such socialist countries' economies, but at least such a method of obtaining prices has some connection to reality instead of being totally arbitrary. Yet with a one-world government, there would exist no outside economy in which to obtain such economic data.

Bear in mind that fascism is merely a subset of socialism whereby people retain de jure title to property in the means of production, but the government exercises de facto ownership over said resources. That is, under fascism the government centrally plans the economy in telling such de jure property owners to what ends the resources are put to use. Thus, the impossibility of rational economic calculation applies every bit as much to fascist economies: which, again, after all, are simply a subset of socialism.

And make no mistake about it, this New World Order one-world government that the globalist oligarchy are in the process of setting up is very much going to be a planned economy, i.e., it is definitely going to be some variety of a subset of socialism in one form or another. We can see this is to be the case in many different ways, from the globalists' pushing for such things as animal I.D.ing of farm livestock; Codex Alimentarius; a world central bank; microchipping of the populace to buy and sell; massive enforced population reduction (i.e., mass-murder of most of the world's population); among a plethora of other totalitarian controls on the economy. This New World Order will be the most totalitarian government to ever exist, and as a necessary corollary, its economy will also be the most tightly controlled, as well.

With no economy outside of itself in which to gather the necessary economic data in which to engage in economic calculation, unavoidably the New World Order will quickly collapse.

For the logical impossibility of economic calculation in a socialist economy (i.e., a planned economy), see the following articles:

Ludwig von Mises, "Economic Calculation in the Socialist Commonwealth," translated by S. Adler from "Die Wirtschaftsrechnung im sozialistischen Gemeinwesen," Archiv für Sozialwissenschaften, Vol. 47 (1920) http://mises.org/econcalc.asp

Ludwig von Mises, Human Action: A Treatise on Economics (Auburn, Alabama: Ludwig von Mises Institute, 1998; originally published 1949), Chapter XXVI: "The Impossibility of Economic Calculation Under Socialism," pp. 694-711 http://mises.org/resources/3250
http://mises.org/humanaction/pdf/HumanActionScholars.pdf

Murray N. Rothbard, "The End of Socialism and the Calculation Debate Revisited," Review of Austrian Economics, Vol. 5, No. 2 (1991), pp. 51-76 http://mises.org/journals/rae/pdf/RAE5_2_3.pdf

Hans-Hermann Hoppe, "Socialism: A Property or Knowledge Problem?," Review of Austrian Economics, Vol. 9, No. 1 (1996), pp. 143-49 http://mises.org/journals/rae/pdf/RAE9_1_13.pdf

Of course, while it is unavoidably true that the New World Order is doomed to quickly collapse, nevertheless, the globalist parasitical ruling elite can mass-murder hundreds of millions and and even billions of people in the process of setting up their one-world government, i.e., via World War III, bioweapons plagues, nuclear bombs used by governments against their own populace, extermination camps, etc.

What waking people up to the truth does is, first and foremost, it saves people's souls (i.e., the programs of their minds[1]) by getting people to understand the nature of the New World Order the globalist ruling class is instituting, so that they will not go along with it or receive a mark in or on their bodies in order to buy or sell. Second, by waking people up who then will not go along with this system (including the oligarchy's own military and police), all that much sooner will the collapse of the New World Order come before even more destruction and mass-murder can take place.

But even if all the nuclear, chemical and biological weapons were to be released by the globalist oligarchy in such a way as to have the greatest kill-factor, mankind would still survive and life on planet Earth would go on. And with the governments of the world having all collapsed, not only would mankind survive, but its survivors would prosper in a way never before seen on Earth as the full productive powers of unhindered capitalism are for the first time in human history unleashed in all their glory.

Combined with the already-extant technological knowledge, the progress of mankind would be phenomenally fast as new technological breakthroughs are made at an unparalleled pace. Under such conditions mankind will quickly obtain the practical quantum computer, and with it baryon annihilation via electroweak quantum tunneling: for if one solves the one problem the other problem is automatically solved, as the practicality of both depends on being able to create and maintain a coherent quantum state across many particles.

At the same time, the resolution of brain-imaging technologies will be getting ever finer, to the point where the state of individual neurons can be accurately scanned. Having obtained the practical quantum computer, we will be able to upload our minds into simulated environments that can consist of anything one can think of.

Death and poverty will have been abolished forevermore. Literal Heaven on Earth will have been established.

And with practical baryon annihilation having been obtained, humanity will have the ideal energy resource and rocket propulsion for use in colonizing the universe: as ordinary matter can then be converted into pure energy.

For post-apocalyptic humanity, the word "government" and its synonyms in the various languages will be the most detested curse-word. They will wonder how it is that present-day humanity could have been so deceived as to put up with such a ghastly machination.

For much more on the above subjects, see the below resources:

"God Proven to Exist According to Mainline Physics," TetrahedronOmega, December 26, 2008 http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=122&mforum=libertyandtruth

Theophysics: God Is the Ultimate Physicist http://geocities.com/theophysics/

And see my below article. For details on the one-world goverment prophesied in the Bible, see in particular Section 20.

"Jesus Is an Anarchist," James Redford, Social Science Research Network (SSRN), February 13, 2009 (originally published December 19, 2001) http://ssrn.com/abstract=1337761
http://geocities.com/jrredford/anarchist-jesus.pdf
http://geocities.com/jrredford/anarchist-jesus.html

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1. Regarding the universal resurrection of the dead, given an infinite amount of computational resources, per the Bekenstein Bound recreating the exact quantum state of our present universe is trivial, requiring at most a mere 10^123 bits (the number which Roger Penrose calculated), or at most a mere 2^10^123 bits for every different quantum configuration of the universe logically possible (i.e., the multiverse in its entirety up to this point in universal history). So the Omega Point (i.e., the physicists' technical term for God) will be able to resurrect us using merely an infinitesimally small amount of total computational resources: indeed, the multiversal resurrection will occur between 10^-10^10 and 10^-10^123 seconds before the Omega Point is reached, as the computational capacity of the universe at that stage will be great enough that doing so will require only a trivial amount of total computational resources.

For one, quantum computations will allow only 3 states instead of 2 in the current bit.  While this allows for quite a lot more calculation, this doesn't solve a number of the problems in a book I read a while back.  Forgot what it was called.  It was from the oxford press.  Eh, too much fast food between now and then has corrupted my memory.  Regardless, even with new computational power the idea that an outmoded creature (us) will control a superior create (AI) is humorous.  Further, extended ego is created through inabilities to meet natural ego desires.  As such, goals of people can be completely controlled given arbitrary hurtles to reach natural desires creating artificial desires (like social acceptance).  Course, amusingly enough, the persisting end goal will boil down to persistence itself.  For example, humans act to create a reaction in their brains.  Given a goal of increasing net reaction time (satisfaction time), the human will try to live longer (persist).  When AI comes about, the issue will be what goals will be generated and what paths will most efficiently meet those goals.  Given a likeness to human beings, the same state of reaction will be the goal, and the AI will seek to maintain this state of reaction (persistence).  As such, humans will only be useful to the extent that they most efficiently aid the persistence of the reaction.  And given that we are not perfect creatures to this aim, we will only exist if either we are in no conflict to the aim or until a better solution is formed and implemented.

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Re: Jones is Totally Unrealistic
« Reply #102 on: February 19, 2009, 06:37:02 am »
Here's what I was looking for before the forum went down



Kinda defeats the point of wearing camo. Wonder what their thinking is in the military.

Nice...

Next they'll be giving them bright red coats and training them to march across open fields in orderly lines and columns. I wonder how many will die before they realise that 1700's battle tactics don't work in the 21st century.
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« Reply #103 on: February 19, 2009, 08:48:41 am »
I have been having private discussions with someone else I know and share this information with, and it's basically the same defeatist attitude as you have been talking about.

They get quite upset with you if you call them out for what they are: cowards. But basically they use every excuse in the book to validate their reasons for not doing jack shit:

- Oh, the elite are too powerful
- Oh, I don't want to get hurt
- Oh, I'm just being realistic
- Oh, the people are too dumb/they don't understand/nobody will care about what you will do
- Oh, they will just throw me in jail if I speak up and get active
- Oh, I have such a defeatist/loser attitude that I am going to demotivate the person who is asking me to get involved
- Oh, I have been having stress and I can't walk/speak/whatever
- Oh, Alex Jones is a shill/he drives a luxury car/I keep obsessing about Alex Jones all day as my excuse for not doing anything and getting off my lazy butt
- Oh, everything you say cannot be proven/oh, because you're disconnected from reality, you can't see that the sea levels are rising and global warming is going to kill us all ( ::))

Basically, a lot of people fall in one of two categories: they are either paranoid schizophrenics who like to obsess all day over patriot figures ('my shit smells better than that one/he's the shill, no he's the shill) and then you have the abject coward who is just afraid of getting hurt.
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« Reply #104 on: February 19, 2009, 09:58:36 am »
History shows that the objective cowards always get hurt most because the bullies of history will always pick on them first.
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« Reply #105 on: February 19, 2009, 11:04:57 am »
love it.  ;D
this is the go,who could put a bullet in someone "stepping up to you" in this pimp get up!

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« Reply #106 on: February 19, 2009, 11:14:52 am »

Of course Jones is Totally Unrealistic
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« Reply #107 on: February 19, 2009, 11:23:13 am »
Does it matter? Will you just quietly accept slavery? Some of us, will not.

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« Reply #108 on: February 19, 2009, 01:46:04 pm »
Even when military tech was at quite a lot lower level, guerrilla warfare only works when the people of the land are on the side of the guerrillas.  Just read "Guerrilla Warfare" from Ernesto "Che" Guevara written in 1961.  So, to go out and start guerrilla warfare today would be suicide given that there would not be a support of the guerrillas by the people.  Instead, what would be effective now is anonymous sabotage. 

Most american's today are druggies.  Their drug is entertainment.  Apart from it being a source of propaganda, entertainment is a very cheap drug and won't become unavailable until electricity becomes unavailable.  And so, I would imagine most addicts will stay addicted until the very end and there will not be a support of the guerrillas by the people.

This is true, but even with support of the people its not a strategy for the win, only a long drawn out stalemate at best. As I posted earlier, if Zbig's Alciada in Afghanistan had not the tactical, logistical, technical (and so on) support from the US and UK, that conflict with the then Soviets would still be going on today albeit at a low level (all other things equal).

The key deciding factor is the involvement of an outside element enough to provide cover to communicate, coordinate etc., re-supply, and so on. In the case of the US today this element would have to be most of the US military on the side of the "domestic terrorists".


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« Reply #109 on: February 19, 2009, 07:15:07 pm »
For one, quantum computations will allow only 3 states instead of 2 in the current bit.  While this allows for quite a lot more calculation, this doesn't solve a number of the problems in a book I read a while back.  Forgot what it was called.  It was from the oxford press.  Eh, too much fast food between now and then has corrupted my memory.  Regardless, even with new computational power the idea that an outmoded creature (us) will control a superior create (AI) is humorous.  Further, extended ego is created through inabilities to meet natural ego desires.  As such, goals of people can be completely controlled given arbitrary hurtles to reach natural desires creating artificial desires (like social acceptance).  Course, amusingly enough, the persisting end goal will boil down to persistence itself.  For example, humans act to create a reaction in their brains.  Given a goal of increasing net reaction time (satisfaction time), the human will try to live longer (persist).  When AI comes about, the issue will be what goals will be generated and what paths will most efficiently meet those goals.  Given a likeness to human beings, the same state of reaction will be the goal, and the AI will seek to maintain this state of reaction (persistence).  As such, humans will only be useful to the extent that they most efficiently aid the persistence of the reaction.  And given that we are not perfect creatures to this aim, we will only exist if either we are in no conflict to the aim or until a better solution is formed and implemented.

Quantum computation relies on qubits, which can exist in a superposition between universes; the number of superimposed states possible is dependant on the number of qubits.

Uploading of minds is possible with classical computers, as well. Indeed, the human brain is a classical computer and not a quantum computer. The reason I mentioned quantum computation is because it's a much more powerful form of computation than classical computation.

For much more on that, see the below resources:

"God Proven to Exist According to Mainline Physics," TetrahedronOmega, December 26, 2008 http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=122&mforum=libertyandtruth

Theophysics: God Is the Ultimate Physicist http://geocities.com/theophysics/
Author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Dec. 4, 2011 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2001) http://ssrn.com/abstract=1337761

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« Reply #110 on: February 19, 2009, 08:55:20 pm »
Quantum computation relies on qubits, which can exist in a superposition between universes; the number of superimposed states possible is dependant on the number of qubits.

Uploading of minds is possible with classical computers, as well. Indeed, the human brain is a classical computer and not a quantum computer. The reason I mentioned quantum computation is because it's a much more powerful form of computation than classical computation.

For much more on that, see the below resources:

"God Proven to Exist According to Mainline Physics," TetrahedronOmega, December 26, 2008 http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=122&mforum=libertyandtruth

Theophysics: God Is the Ultimate Physicist http://geocities.com/theophysics/
I say there are three states because last I read the measurement of the superposition would be such that the bit would be 1, 0, or some superposition, and that the individual superpositions would not be used as different states, but rather a grouping would be.  IE, it would be like splitting a range into three parts.  This is the type of quantum computers they are building now, if I remember correctly.  Whether or not the range will be split further is speculation due to the fact that I don't know how to build a quantum computer.  I'll look into it further later.

Uploading the mind and processing at the speed of the mind has just become an ability by supercomputers.  In order to scale this ability down in computer size, quantum computers would be necessary.

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« Reply #111 on: February 19, 2009, 08:56:58 pm »
I dont know about anyone else here but I am prepared almost completely...... I can hold out almost forever. But if they start killing innocents before my eyes......



Dude, what's with all the hair-care products?  I count 8 on the tub and one on the floor.

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« Reply #112 on: February 19, 2009, 09:34:56 pm »
Dude, what's with all the hair-care products?  I count 8 on the tub and one on the floor.

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In the movies the good guys are always better groomed.  ::)

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« Reply #113 on: February 19, 2009, 09:51:55 pm »
Dude, what's with all the hair-care products?  I count 8 on the tub and one on the floor.

 ;D

Too much conditioner can play havoc inside that get-up

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« Reply #114 on: February 19, 2009, 09:59:32 pm »



Not scary at all, almost funny.

Yes those cod-pieces are soo scary!

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« Reply #115 on: February 19, 2009, 10:18:50 pm »
anyone got a 10 by 12 plate carrier ;D

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« Reply #116 on: February 19, 2009, 10:35:11 pm »
Man, I need the conditioner one for my beard the other for my scalp. Then the other one is used for pit hair and pubes. But some days I wake up and have frizzy hair so I need extra conditioning....And then she needs her various conditioners. I have 10 cases of 30 each saved in case martial law is enacted.

Didnt you guys see red dawn? Or Rambo? You need light fluffy bouncy hair.



Can you recommend any? I could do with some extra bounce and shine...

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« Reply #117 on: February 19, 2009, 10:50:00 pm »
Shiny hair makes look me like a Gorilla from behind.

Hoo hoo hoo silver-back rowwwwwwwwwwr!!!!!

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10 by 12 plate carrier? You talking about rifle plates?

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« Reply #118 on: February 19, 2009, 11:03:47 pm »
i will have my plates next week ish i need the vest for them level 3 because im poor
group wants to make me door boy but id rather just get an ATR 100 NIGHTSHADOW

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« Reply #119 on: February 19, 2009, 11:13:34 pm »
I'll pass on the rifle plates myself. Thought about it but then said naaah -- I'll scoop it off the dead if it comes down to pewpew shoot out.

ATR 100 NIGHTSHADOW? What is that? Night vision goggles? All that comes up is ATN Night Shadow.

Speaking gibberish to me... door boy? what?

lol @ the pic.