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Is SotS becoming a Milgram experiment? (self.sorceryofthespectacle)

zummitroll が 投稿

Why this banality of evil? Have we nothing better to do than ape the Stanford prison experiment from behind a keyboard?

Are situationist ethics all that we have now? Modular thumos and trauma? Trauma and deception and accusation? Is this all that we have now in which to know ourselves and others?

Just how close are we to shoving children into the maw of moloch?

Theodicy, soteriology, aesthetics and poes law. These are the four meta-categories through which we can experience agency, moral or otherwise.

Do you believe in the lucifer effect?

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[–]flyinghamsta 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

i believe in jackie robinson

[–]donkeysmiledwry 1ポイント2ポイント  (75子コメント)

I'm tired

[–]zummitroll[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (74子コメント)

Nobody gives a damn if your tired. There is no escape. Just keep breaking rocks donkey.

[–]donkeysmiledwry 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh they do and I do. I have escaped. Keep docking breaks, rocky.

[–]DriscolDevil -1ポイント0ポイント  (72子コメント)

I'm glad human suffering and abuse of power is so entertaining for you. Maybe one day you can experience that same hell is existence.

[–]zummitroll[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (45子コメント)

I've already experienced it. I have found a way to deal with it. You haven't. Your a disgusting coward. You need to forgive your mommy or your daddy or whoever it was and grow up. poes law knows no bounds with you it seems. You have ZERO sense of humor. Everything is so serious with you! lol.

No one can tell if your really a shill or just a pathetic coward living in mommys basement. I'm not going to ban you I'm going to let you huff your farts as much as you want. You know what a Protestant huff is? Now pull the covers over your head and show us how much you love your stench.

I've gotten quite a few PMs from people about you btw. They range from sympathy to hate. Your really a disgusting display. You would rather revel in your own waste than grow up and face your fears. Your whiny disposition and nonstop victim-trolling is pathetic. There is nothing worse than strained pathos.

[–]DriscolDevil -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

You keep saying you experienced it just so you can justify mocking it. I don't think you are brave for mocking victims of abuse or the idea that people abuse power. You seem to actually have a sick love of domination and power.

[–]zummitroll[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think your brave at all. Your a bitch. A whiny bitch. You need to go away and go victim-troll somewhere else. If you want to participate here you can start by remaining silent until you can contribute something to a convo besides your own veiled biography and by taking responsibility for your own self-enabling and stop huffing your own farts.

[–]DriscolDevil -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There we go again, you don't adress anything I said and you just call me a "troll" to dismiss me. A troll isn't somebody who has emotional responses or acts irrationally. A troll is someone who tries to trigger emotional responses from people for laughs. That oddly seems to describe you.

[–]DriscolDevil -2ポイント-1ポイント  (41子コメント)

You keep accusing me of being afraid. Any proof for that accusation or is that just you trolling?

[–]zummitroll[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (40子コメント)

Oh you're not just afraid your sick friend. You're a bully and a coward, which is always the case. You came here and you started this and you know it and I know it and everyone knows it. And you did it at the occult community as well. Your comment history will be proof beyond out for any healthy rational person that you are a troll, sick, a coward, a bully, a wounded person and deeply in need of help and healing. And that's why you got into the account is it not? Isn't it why most of us explore esotericism, magic and spirituality? But it seems it has yet to kick in and do it's thing for you friend. So what do you want a diagnosis?

My diagnosis is that you're a narcissist and a neurotic and need to move out of your moms house.

You need to forgive your mommy and/or daddy, forgive yourself and begin seeking positive habit-forming hobbies which are creative and will help you make something beautiful in the world. You cannot read a bunch of pulp conspiracy bullshit night and day and hide in your moms basement and expect to find happiness.

The first step is that you have to admit that you want happiness and that is a primary goal. Right now you think your animal bodies happiness is granted through hiding and attack and the combination through this wonderful anonymous medium of the Internet. You're acting like a caged and trapped animal. Your body is telling your mind what to do but you think your mind is telling your body what to do. You're a mess, anonymous friend. Clean yourself up take a look at your habits and things are consistent in.

I was very much molested and sexually abused from the ages of 8 until I was 9. The full impact of that did not even register at all until I was in my 20's. I suppose it took me a few years to deal with it and I didn't do it consciously but I guess when my kids were born is what triggered my entire life overhaul. I realized I was a loser and a womanizer and a drug addict and even though I had quit those things a couple years before my first child was born, I was still all Those things. And it triggered this total dissolution of my self which slowly unraveled in fits and starts for a few years until 8 years ago i had a mega breakdown. That was the "low point" of my life and I have been on the rebuild since and I've never been happier.

But as I've grown more self sufficient I've grown less tolerant of effete bullshit. And you wreak of it. SWIM says grow up dude. Go on an aya quest in South America or eat a ten strip and get your head melted. Truly give up your perceived control to a thorough experience.

[–]DriscolDevil -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I'm a scared bully, guy who glorifies physical violence against people who say something you disagree with, guy who endorses and defends the idea of traumatizing children to make them tougher, guy who sticks to the same false accusations in a pathetic attempt to trigger an emotional response so you can dismiss me.
Kid, I don't have the money or time to go to south america. The fact that you think that's something anyone can do kind of proves how out of touch from reality you really are. No wonder you endorse child abuse, you probably fried yourself into a psychotic stuper by taking drugs somebody told you was ayuaska.

"Right now, you think-" and you accused me of thinking I could read minds. You're such a worthless hypocrite.

[–]DriscolDevil -2ポイント-1ポイント  (37子コメント)

I really hope the government takes your child away considering the insane beliefs you endorse. You will likely try to justify drugging and traumatizing them to make them tougher. You should have been sterilized and you and whatever beast allowed you to breed with her should be put in prison or to a stake.

[–]zummitroll[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Now we are getting somewhere! Look at those juicy accusations dripping from the screen!

[–]DriscolDevil -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Apperently you just don't fucking read. I backed up my accusations, unlike you. You're just a troll, plain and simple. I hope your child manages to escape.

[–]zummitroll[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (34子コメント)

So now your accusing me of drugging my children! So you were drugged then. I'm sorry.

Look I forgive you ok? It's obvious that I have struck upon your real issues which are not the perceived aggressors or perpetrators but instead, a thinly veiled autobiography of your own child hood experience.

I'm sorry you were hurt. it's not your fault. You can move past it. Many of us have.

In buddhism they say life is suffering. Dukkha.

Protestantism and xianity of course tell something similar of life that life is trauma. Would you agree?

Seek help friend. Your going to get in trouble sooner or later if you keep this up. You may accuse someone beyond the pail who is not as nice as me or this group. Good luck on your travels friend. Thanks for stopping by.

[–]DriscolDevil -2ポイント-1ポイント  (33子コメント)

No, I'm saying you would likely justify it. Quit pretending that everything is just projection. You endorsed traumatizing children a d drug use for any mental ailment.
Trauma I'd just one part if life, so are love and joy and anger and sadness and food and starvation. Saying "life is hell" or "life is suffering" is often an excuse to inflict it. No, that's not an accusation. I'm saying I don't think life is just one thing. I think life is suffering for many people, too many people, often because of other people who either enjoy inflicting it or don't care enough to help others who are suffering.

Yes, I could always offend somebody that may act violently. I don't see that as a good reason to not call people out on endorsing awful shit. Yes, I get irrational and angry when I see that people don't care and are actually willing to cover it up for people.

[–]zummitroll[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

Ok great we made some progress. Very good. Well I think let's enough for today. Be sure and check in with Janie on your way out and schedule our next appointment.

[–]zummitroll[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (24子コメント)

SWIM had a couple of major breakdowns on hallucinogens. See the ego when left unchecked becomes a swollen pus filled putrescence in need of drainage and treatment. There's nothing more savory than watching an ego filled creep have a dark night meltdown. SWIM know because SWIM was the ego jerk melting down a couple times.

[–]DriscolDevil -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You need to forgive your mommy and/or daddy, forgive yourself and begin seeking positive habit-forming hobbies which are creative and will help you make something beautiful in the world. You cannot read a bunch of pulp conspiracy bullshit night and day and hide in your moms basement and expect to find happiness.

More strawman attacks. Yup, that's me, living in my mom's basement. I don't at all work my ass off at a deficit with little to no reward. I just live with mommy.
I love the forgiveness line. Oh gee, wonder why you would possibly endorse forgiving child abusers. Nothing wrong with that, I'm just some pop conspiracy theorist fearful troll victim. So many attempts to label and dismiss me.

[–]zummitroll[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

Let me put it another way. My disgust for your online presence is predicated on the practicality of real life and everyday face to face interaction. Hypothetically speaking, If you, john smith were to accuse me, Jane Doe of child abuse face to face in public and it was unfounded you would have a lawsuit on your hands and most certainly if you persisted in ingratiating yourself to that commitment. And/or get your teeth knocked down your throat. But you are a coward and since we are flirting with the screen of anonymity here on the internet you feel yourself veritably safe to seek power by making extreme and baseless claims based on strained logic, tatters of correlation and non-existent "statements" and "claims" by the accused which you have NOT ONCE in any of these many many different threads from several different subreddits, have ever offered a direct link to AN INDIVIDUAL WHOM YOU CLAIM IS IN SOME KIND ETHICAL VIOLATION only to an article or book or fucking THREAD TITLE that is egregiously and studiously mis interpreted.

So in other words, your not merely a coward, your a hypocrite in that you are doing and exemplifying the mechanisms you claim Others are using to "condone abuse".

Life is rough. You will find that out when you move out of mommys basement an discover that internet arguments are no longer the most important thing in your life.

Your a powerless coward imprisoned by your own fear, your a troll or your a shill. That's it.

No one likes you and that's not personal or politcal it's natural and cultural. Someone constantly throwing insults at a group is going to be ostracized. Your ostracization from everywhere you ingratiate yourself is not proof of a conspiracy it's the inevitable result of a very healthy and normative cultural universal.

Kick rocks bitch.

[–]DriscolDevil -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Way to rewrite history. I provided a permalink of a comment made by a user suggesting that you should take blood from a "young innocent victim" and you turned it into some defense of crowley. What do I have to gain by proving my claims if you just ignore it? Yes, if we were face to face you could absolutely kick my teeth in. Is that who you are, Internet tough guy? Yes, it is "cowardly" for me to not take that risk in the real world out of fear of physical harm inflicted by an abusive pick such as yourself.

For the last time, it wasn't the fucking title but the article that you keep claiming I didn't read while denying all of its contents. You are dishonest, manipulative, and you pride yourself on sociopathic indifference to suffering and your ability to physically hurt people you disagree with. Why wouldn't I respect you enough to have a real conversation?

[–]zummitroll[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

Wow that must be 5 accusations!

[–]DriscolDevil -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah that old gag. Just ignore that you just admitted that you turn to physical force when people say something you disagree with, troll. That's kind of the definition of an abuser. You have made nothing but accusations. Show me where I "admitted I didn't read the article" as you claim, where I accused all tarot readers of being pedophiles, prove that I'm being fearful as you claim. Prove a single one of your accusations you fucking hypocrite. You simply ignored and denied when I presented evidence of people endorsing abuse in these occult subs, kind of proves that you take no issue with the abuse or endorsements but you feel the need to hide it or justify it.

[–]zummitroll[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

your a coward. I never threatened you. I used a hypothetical situation to explain near universal responses to false accusation.

You would never ever ever go into public and accuse an individual let alone the entire group of false accusations over and over again to their face. The public group were only amplify a person's pride so whoever you insult if they're smart will after-the-fact collect witness testimony and contact a lawyer. This is of course if it's not just a one time thing. If it's a one time thing the accusation will be considered part of your personality and your dysfunction and ignored. But it false accusations persist in a public setting then the falsely accused will retaliate either through the civil or criminal legal court or if they are not so refined or the culture is not so refined then violence or some type of extreme ostracism will result.

You are an Internet troll. You are abusing anonymity. You're a coward. You are a damaged person who is running away from your problems and this flight of fear is resulting in a perverse distortion of your own perceived power. A power you do not have in reality. I power you did not have when you were hurt. You wish to have this power more than anything in the world you wish to with your words make things happen. Your fetishizing so many things here it's really quite impressive. You were abused by your mama your daddy has a child we get it. You're very much not over it we get it. But what is very difficult to accept is the distortion that you've created due to your pain and helplessness. No one is ever going to allow or except false accusations therefore you're only perpetuating your wound. And it's tiring and I've seen it from you consistently and your comment history is proof that you go to various sub forums and endlessly accuse people somewhere in relation to condoning abuse or being perpetrators of abuse etc.

You need to get a handle on what it is you want. But it has to start inside you if you want to see justice done to people out in the world you never going to get any kind of comfort because you are paradoxically ceding control to the external world which is how you were hurt to begin with. You don't trust the world. Fine. But it doesn't mean you can't trust yourself.

You're very sick you need help and no one here is going to help you no one here wants to help you and probably no one here can help you. Because as of right now you have made the decision that you do not want help because you do not need help.

It is clear to everyone except you that you are the victim and perpetrator, the wound and the sword.

You're pathetic to me. I'm sorry I did send you a few private messages and made a Luke warm attempt at trying to show you some sympathy. And of course you were even more abusive and accusing the normal. No surprise I guess in retrospect.

I don't think anyone on this forum would agree that I am anyway abusive or someone that condones abuse. Furthermore my comment history is public and there are thousands and thousands of comments to read through and you will not find anything questionable in any of my comment history in need of anybody else and you have proven this by being unable to show a link to a comment.

You however are abusive and a passive aggressive way. And slimy victim mentality trolling and libelous wormy cowardly way. I found it deeply repulsive and saddening that someone like you has crafted a view of self that is so entrenched and spewing your wound and pain and powerlessness for everyone to see. And you're the only one that doesn't see it and that is I guess the beauty and sadness of neurosis and mental sickness.

I have perhaps been too aggressive and pointing this out but it is obvious that you do not respond to honest inquiry sympathy or normal conjecture. You've proven is consistently. This is why I call you a coward and I guess a bully. It's amazing that it's taken me this long to call you a bully but I guess that's what you are.

You're a bully abusing anonymity. Using anonymity as a weapon to hide yourself and make false accusations that in public would probably get your teeth knocked out or get you sued.

And I don't mean that I would violently hurt you that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that you know and I know everyone knows that if you walk into a group of people and consistently accuse someone over and over and over again of false accusations that are extremely volatile and their very nature you're not going to get a good response. And this is common sense and everyone knows it and of course she will deny it and you will accuse me some more and perhaps accuse this group. But I'm not your daddy or mommy and this group is not the world.

[–]DriscolDevil -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You continue to call me a troll with no regard for the meaning of that word. How many times have you falsely accused me of that now? Still refuse to provide evidence for your accusations?
I didn't falsely accuse you of anything. You posted an article endorsing traumatizing children to make them "stronger" so I said you endorse child abuse, because you did. The entire article was an endorsement of child abuse. You keep firing blindly at what you think may trigger emotion (like a troll) to distract from that. You are cold and manipulative. You're a liar and a troll.

You're right, I'm powerless. You and your people are good at manipulating and lying and covering up your crimes or the crimes of others. You said provide one example of a person endorsing child abuse, I showed you just that and you tried to spin it into something positive. That's pretty suspicious if you claim to also dislike child abuse.

[–]DriscolDevil -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You again accuse me of being fearful. Is that your entire troll tactic? Just cycle between those same baseless accusations? Several times I have explained my legitimate accusations and you simply ignore it and keep going through your strawman attacks.

[–]zummitroll[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (18子コメント)

Let me put this still another way.

Your entire online persona requires the abuse of anonymity. Therefore what you express, or rather what is expressed through you is from your shadow. " You" to the extent that you think "you" are really expressing "your" opinions is false. You are a demonic manifestation of something else for the simple fact that you could in no way walk up to complete strangers and falsely accuse them of things over and over.

Your possessed. And trapped in a fake personality.

So far you've accused me of child abuse, protecting a child abuser, condoning child abuse and drugging my own children then you wished the government to take my children and I be set on fire. Sounds like your imagination is a little out of alignment and teds to run off with you. Which is what happens WHEN YOURE POSSESSED!

[–]DriscolDevil -2ポイント-1ポイント  (17子コメント)

You keep saying "falsely accuse" when I've backed up my accusation. You absolutely endorsed child abuse. Traumatizing a child to "make them tougher" is abuse. We can disagree on that, but you keep avoiding that by pretending I'm just randomly accusing everyone. You were the one making and still making false accusations.

[–]zummitroll[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (16子コメント)

What I am saying, what the article is saying, is that life is traumatic. That's it. Admitting this, entering into and exploring your various traumas and we all have them and they are each individually infinite for each one of us, exploring the sources and extent of these various experiences leads you to the lessons of the experiences. This is called wisdom. You don't have any.

[–]DriscolDevil -1ポイント0ポイント  (15子コメント)

That's not what the article was saying. Did you read it? It talks about people being forced into the wilderness as children to put them in a situation where they either die or almost die. If they return, they are allowed treatment and "rebuilt" into whatever "the masters" decide You speak in lies, troll. You are nothing but a sociopath hiding your true nature. You say I have no wisdom as if you would know, as if you have wisdom. You get wisdom from experience, not by reading some books and talking down to everyone. Everyone has some level of wisdom. A fool tries to measure theirs against others like it's their penis.

[–]zummitroll[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (12子コメント)

Could you please cut and paste this quote from the article?

[–]DriscolDevil -1ポイント0ポイント  (11子コメント)

Could you please get fucking sterilized?

[–]zummitroll[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh wow I found I the article where it says they die. And all that about the masters and luminarty and everything.

I guess you did read the article. Your right. This changes everything.

[–]DriscolDevil -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I did read the fucking article you lying troll fuck. Oh right, nobody ever dies during the rituals. It always works out fine when you send children off to have near death experiences in their own. If the article doesn't say they die, they all survived. You know that's bullshit, you are just covering up for your fellow abusers you worthless troll fucking manipulative parasite piece of shit. All you do is lie "Didn't read the article" you repeat, fucking liar. Denying that it presents child abuse as something to strengthen people. I really hope your child is taken by cps and you are sterilized.

[–]IntravenousVomitno idea what this is 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I believe in this beer around the neck of whose bottle the five fingers of my left hand are tightly wrapped.

[–]IntravenousVomitno idea what this is 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, you don't.

[–]DriscolDevil -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Worthless troll fuck abuse defending piece of ahit

[–]DriscolDevil -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lying troll piece of shit

[–]DriscolDevil -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Worthless fucking troll

[–]DriscolDevil -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lying piece of abusive ahit

[–]DriscolDevil -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's all a fucking joke to you

[–]DriscolDevil -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not a fucking joke to us

[–]DriscolDevil -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

You abusive fucking beast

[–]DriscolDevil -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Abusive fucking beast

[–]zummitroll[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm abusive because your a subpar troll of mediocre and disengenuous manipulatory skills?

You suck at what you do demon. Get behind me suntan!

[–]DriscolDevil -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

All you do is troll while calling others trolls you worthless piece of shit. You are a disease. Your kind should be thrown into a fucking pit and burned.
"Derhurhur, he so mad" and you call me a fucking troll. You are a fucking paradite. The fact that you haven't been exterminated is proof of our sick ineffective society.

[–]zummitroll[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I AM THE WINNER OF THE TROLLATHON!!!!

[–]DriscolDevil -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Go fucking yourself troll