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GGGA letter to our community and GGG. (self.pathofexile)

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[–]Msmit71[M] 45ポイント46ポイント  (28子コメント)

Do you think a subreddit meta discussion is in order, to discuss changes to the rules? I'm interested in hearing people's opinions, since we prefer to make changes very deliberately in order to avoid backlash and drama.

[–]_Emmitt_[PoESkillTree Dev]: 996805[M] [スコア非表示]  (19子コメント)

We need new/better rules.

[–]TuxedoMarty [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Honestly, I read the rules and everything necessary is included + the actual reddiquette which is in ironical contrast to much content in this subreddit.

What I don't see is posts getting deleted. Which is on one hand a good thing, on the other hand a bad one. We don't need 10000 post mimicking the most upvoted one. If people would adhere to the reddiquette, this would not be an issue. Can mods edit posts instead of removing them? If so you could simply make a stance on this without people crying around "CENSORSHIT" immediately. Making people aware of the rules (most probably never saw them) in this way might actually help already.

Edit: Final edit, promise.

[–]_Emmitt_[PoESkillTree Dev]: 996805 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Mods can't edit what a user sees, except by removal of posts.

[–]TuxedoMarty [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

That is really unfortunate. A removed post is useless as people may see no context on why it was removed and therefore can't draw appropriate conclusions for their own behavior around here.

I heard that the new leadership is planning to change how posts can be approached by moderators. I hope you guys get better tools to work with!

Edit: Would it be possible to emulate such a function with a moderation bot? I don't know what 3rd party tools for you moderators are around to work with.

[–]_Emmitt_[PoESkillTree Dev]: 996805 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Editing posts still won't be a thing. We might get the ability to edit a title, but I doubt that. I think they want to give us better tools to see how users are behaving really.

[–]nonameownsLE SLAM [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

just permaban any retards

job done

[–]_Emmitt_[PoESkillTree Dev]: 996805 [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

We do that a lot. You should see the ban list...

[–]nonameownsLE SLAM [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

odds are they are dedicated enough to make a new account and continue being retarded

do mods have the ability to IP ban? that would stop the lazy trolls

[–]_Emmitt_[PoESkillTree Dev]: 996805 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Nope, we can just ban accounts. Although, I think reddit shadow bans users on the same ip as a banned account.

[–]moldyredditor2.0 is Best.0 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It's certainly something that can be asked in major cases... I've had to do it on a large sub I mod before..

[–]_Emmitt_[PoESkillTree Dev]: 996805 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah, most people stop after 1-2 accounts banned

[–]xDelrick [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

This subreddit has about 50k+ subs, of which that doesn't include people who haven't hit the subscribe button and just casually lurk.

You guys do a good job at moderating the shit that goes through here. Maybe you just need some new dedicated mods? I don't know how that process is handled, but I don't think 12(?) mods in a subreddit this build can realistically cover everything that goes here. That's NOT saying you guys don't do a good job.

[–]_Emmitt_[PoESkillTree Dev]: 996805 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

We can cover everything, the problem is catching everything. There isn't a person that can sit here for a few hours and read every post, it just doesn't work.

We need to gets reports and set up AutoMod to report/remove more.

[–]xDelrick [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Fair enough. I just still think it's a lot of work for the few guys/girls you have.

[–]Bohemos [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

You need to enforce the ones we have. It's not a matter of rules or 'stricter rules' its a matter of inaction by mods.

There's posts in this very thread that you should have banned the user and deleted the comment. If you can't keep up then get more who can and eliminate mods not doing anything.

[–]_Emmitt_[PoESkillTree Dev]: 996805 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Our bad for not keeping up with thousands of posts when there is a report button :)

[–]Bohemos [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Well for one thing, I've seen the same few people consistently being children. We both are aware of that. We all know the names of 'this guy and that guy' who for... honestly... years... have been the ones to instigate.

Secondly... do you think going directly into defensive mode is a way to accept possible criticism?

[–]_Emmitt_[PoESkillTree Dev]: 996805 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

1) Use the report button then. We have banned a lot of people.

2) No, it isn't the correct way, but we aren't the only ones that can help improve this subreddit. I understand that we could do a bit more to clean up the subreddit, but we already do a lot.

I would like to get new rules in place before becoming stricter and explain what is happening and why.

[–]Bohemos [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Of course it's not the correct way. So why do it?

Obviously it's not only the mods, but the mods still bear some responsibility.

Simply claiming 'more strict rules' doesn't fix anything when the rules in place are not enforced very well.

That's why people will call you inept and censorship.

Figure out how to enforce what we have. Encourage reporting in a way that isn't 'well report it our it's not my responsibility' as this wording you are using is likely to make it seem.

Communicate more frequently with the user base when you take action, speak with people who do report stuff.

Don't take that as me saying 'this is how you fix it'. Take it as a beginning step in the process.

Being defensive when I was being pretty clearly not being rude is just going to make the community think your an ass, especially if you do jump straight to the easy and lazy approach of 'stricter rules'. Which honestly...when has that ever worked out to strengthen a community anyways..

[–]_Emmitt_[PoESkillTree Dev]: 996805 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Alright, we can enforce the rules better. Let me do some automod stuff.

[–]AlterChaos 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not sure much needs to be changed in the rules, as the Reddiquette itself has some of the exact things that should be enforced. Of course, this is just a quick, cursory glance, but that's what I got. Internet's gonna internet, and all. Flamers and pricks have a tendency to speak the loudest, but the good people aren't gone yet.

  • Remember the human. When you communicate online, all you see is a computer screen. When talking to someone you might want to ask yourself "Would I say it to the person's face?" or "Would I get jumped if I said this to a buddy?"

  • Adhere to the same standards of behavior online that you follow in real life.

That, or some people just don't know how to behave offline. Also very likely.

[–]hobbit_joe 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would. I lurk here but the way these posts have been going makes me want to not comment, not view threads, or even really interact with most people in game.

[–]hitachaiHC SHADOWFROMFINALFANTASY 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

I absolutely know there needs to be a meta discussion. This sub is the first place that MANY new players come to learn about the game. Seeing slews of toxic posts will really turn people off.

The core game itself is difficult enough to learn, and we as a veteran community need to help spread information to retain a constant influx of new players, as well help each other expand our knowledge in this ever evolving game.

[–]Izuzu__ 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

You need to create an environment in this sub where discussions that turn into personal attacks are absolutely not tolerated. See my comment below. This rapid degradation of a lot of controversial threads makes this sub look terrible.

[–]TuxedoMarty 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you guys think that limiting the use of the downvote button might circumvent the high contrast between sophisticated, reasoned post with unpopular content and posts that cry for attention? How are mods of other subs dealing with similar issues? I am guessing that you guys are involved in some moderator communities which might help you out with some perspective.

[–]anapoe [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Many other subreddits have reminders over the upvote/downvote arrows on how they're supposed to be used, and text over the comment boxes reminding commenters not to be hateful (or whatever).

[–]InsecticideENDLESS LEDGE [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We need some more features to remind people how vote works and encourage healthier discussion. For example, many subreddits fill the text box with this and perhaps we could get more readable and more detailed downvote pop-up box example 1 example 2.

Edit: Sure, these features don't make miracles but I think they would help a bit

[–]bludgeonerV11211 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Aside from overt trolling absolutely no, censuring people for being overly negative about aspects of the game is foolish and unwarranted, people just need to get some perspective and thicker skin, and realise that just because a few dozen people currently are being vocal about their dislike of the game meta that doesn't necessarily reflect the consensus of players.

This is a reality on the internet, the sooner people come to terms with that and change their expectations the better.