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[–]Yanrogue 256ポイント257ポイント  (44子コメント)

I see people in the thread calling this a hate sub that is on the same level as coontown.

WTF is wrong with these people?

[–]SpawnPointGuard 146ポイント147ポイント  (9子コメント)

They don't come here.

[–]Ssilversmith 49ポイント50ポイント  (8子コメント)

And when they do, they cherry pick those one or two shitty comments out of hundreds. And one of those two comments is actualy sarcasm taken out of context.

[–]Smark_Henry 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

go to subreddit

find the most downvoted shit

act like it's the most upvoted shit

[–]NGC2467 107ポイント108ポイント  (23子コメント)

That comment spiked up to hundreds of upvotes within the first few minutes of the thread being opened. It is now throroughly downvoted. One of several anti-free speech, slandering comments with the same voting pattern. Am I crazy for thinking this might be coordinated? In a regular thread it would never have been upvoted in the first place.

[–]BunandfunRuns /r/devroots/ 80ポイント81ポイント  (20子コメント)

Ghazi was talking earlier about how they were coordinating their response to this AMA offline. I'm sure they had something to do with it.

Source: https://archive.is/4YqM1

[–]AntonioOfVeniceRuns /r/polygon \ Karma King of late April 2015 46ポイント47ポイント  (13子コメント)

Ghazi doesn't have enough members to brigade anything. It was probably one of the larger SJW-subs.

[–]Mournhold 38ポイント39ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, a lot people who frequent ghazi know each other from other subs and frequent similar subs such as SRD. So saying "Ghazi" coordinated this is probably misleading at best, so I would agree with your opinion here. However, if there was some coordination to le upboat certain posts and down vote others, it probably included a number of ghazi mods and or subscribers.

[–]twomongsmakearight 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not just subs. Many of them use IRC and Tumblr for coordinating shit like this. There's that in-joke they use about being 'the cabal', but there's no denying they can organise stuff like this really well and it does have a real affect on Reddit.

Hopefully if the CEO is serious about brigading and vote manipulation, he'll finally do something about them. I'm not holding my breath, personally.

[–]PCGamingOppression 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

AMR/ghazi/SRD pretty much all share the same user base.

[–]BunandfunRuns /r/devroots/ 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

You're probably correct. I bet it was a meeting of all the SJW subs and ghazi just happened to be invited/leaked that they were doing it.

[–]Delixcroix 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It isn't so much the members in Ghazi that matter as it is well connected with the againstmensrights subs which has strong connections with possibly the sites most famous brigaders SRS. They all share a common goal as a singular hate group though so its members are interchangeable.

[–]phil_katzenberger 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

I LOVE the idea of a collective statement from our sub. Lets keep it short, sweet, and stinging.

"KIA is CoonTown."

[–]Ssilversmith 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

KIA makes some pretty nice and afforadble cars with moderate to high reliability. Please don't compare them to a shitsub

[–]_pulsar [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I like the one that's like "I just want to look at cat pictures without seeing racism and creepy pedos."

Oh really? So then subscribe to /r/cats, /r/aww and other related subs and only look at your front page. Problem solved as no one ever talks about anything even approaching that stuff in those subs.

But the truth is that they're probably one of those "I don't do drama!" types who are always starting more drama than anyone else.

And even if you browse /r/all you're RARELY going to see any of that anyway. These people act like 85% of the content is all this outrageous blatantly racist/sexist content. They've trumped up quite the boogeyman.

[–]Danielle_S 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

oh wow.

"unlimited free speech" actually stifles meaningful discussion by drowning out minority opinions, often with personal/sexist/racist attacks. Without moderation, only the thickest-skinned contributors will remain, e.g. the channers.

so calling someone a white basement dwelling dudebro would pretty much cover all of it eh? An I don't think anyone from gamer "no dissent allowed' ghazi has anything meaningful to add on the subject of moderation. You advocate for censorship. When your game plan is to cater to whoever has the thinnest skin, you're pretty fucked as someone will magically always have thinner skin than the last person.

[–]ev1lb1t 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

SRS.

I love how now one of the top comments is a massive running document of SRS brigading, doxing, and harassment.

[–]DrCoquenbols 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't imagine it's particularly well coordinated or at all really deliberate or insidious. It's just that this is a topic that pertains strongly to SJWs so they're probably flocking, and they also hate GG, so it would make sense that they would immediately upvote it. Then reasonable people show up and think "wow that's retarded" and then downvote it.

[–]cfl1 70ポイント71ポイント  (0子コメント)

They listen and believe.

[–]JesusPimpHand 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not as bad as we thought.

He might even agree with us

I hope I don't come off as sucking him off too hard, I just really don't want to lose Reddit.

[–]fernandotakai 179ポイント180ポイント  (14子コメント)

lol davidreiss666 calling KiA "radical nuts" (and his comment was gilded twice) and lumping it together with greatapes and coontown.

is he literally retarded?

[–]subhorizonKOBS Reject | Happy Camper 52ポイント53ポイント  (1子コメント)

Does that mean he is inciting harassment on us as a group?

Does that mean he just violated reddit's new policies?

[–]nbca 59ポイント60ポイント  (3子コメント)

He's just a well-rounded idiot. Seen him in action across various subreddits for a while and this level of idiocy is nothing new.

[–]Fyrex 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bigots like that often are :)

[–]Interference22 22ポイント23ポイント  (3子コメント)

Comparing a group of people who think there's something amiss in the world of videogames journalism to a social issue as far reaching as racism is beyond crass.

[–]Wolfbeckett 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I see you've forgotten the narrative. To these people, this sub isn't about the world of video games journalism, it's about misogyny and harassment.

[–]man_slave 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Been a long time since I've seen davidreiss drama

[–]Rokakku 122ポイント123ポイント  (3子コメント)

Check this shit out regarding dancingqueen90 being shadow banned for asking about neofag.

No Real user should ever be shadowbanned

became

I'd like to use it as seldom as possible

In less than a week.

[–]guyjin 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

was that the one mentioned in another comment that they 'were shadowbanned for a different reason than they think'?

[–]smerfylicious 117ポイント118ポイント  (30子コメント)

That wording though jesus.

•Anything that harasses, bullies, or abuses an individual or group of people (these behaviors intimidate others into silence)

yeah, that can't be abused at all.

[–]SingularTier 54ポイント55ポイント  (5子コメント)

Sounds like a certain twitter personality is going to re-double their efforts to claim harassment by a group of people criticizing their views.

[–]CountVonVague 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also official policy is against doxxing, so that's a marginal win, for a company like reddit to reject that type of personally exposing content. Puts a bunch of the political outragists in a tight spot i'd imagine, knowing their actions and desires to be condemned.

[–]Kyoraki 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

Hasn't she also been banned on /r/GamerGhazi now?

[–]AntonioOfVeniceRuns /r/polygon \ Karma King of late April 2015 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

Nope, only demodded (or demodded herself).

[–]porygonzguyWriter for SuperNerdLand 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I had heard second-hand that she was banned as well.

[–]its_never_lupus 21ポイント22ポイント  (18子コメント)

So, bye bye SRS?

[–]shoryusatsu999 52ポイント53ポイント  (14子コメント)

No. They're practically sanctioned by Reddit. Hell, at this rate, they're likely gonna be made a default sub.

[–]Kyoraki 16ポイント17ポイント  (9子コメント)

If it comes to that, I hope it suffers the same fate as Shit4chanSays.

[–]PillaroAutismo 7ポイント8ポイント  (8子コメント)

That was a thing? I feel like Reddit wouldn't have the server capacity to handle that.

[–]Renegard 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

Shit4chanSays is an actual board on 4chan /s4s/. It is the dedicating Shitposting board, nothing even remotely like SRS.

[–]phil_katzenberger 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would love to see that go down. Loooooove.

[–]Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hahahaha. That's funny.

[–]cynicallyoptimistic 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, that was the first thing I noticed. Ripe for abuse.

[–]only_your_enemy 40ポイント41ポイント  (1子コメント)

We'll consider banning subreddits that clearly violate the guidelines in my post--the ones that are illegal or cause harm to others.

There are many subreddits whose contents I and many others find offensive, but that alone is not justification for banning.

https://archive.is/316Pb

Dear Ghazi: popcorn tastes good.

[–]Bannedfromthenet 103ポイント104ポイント  (4子コメント)

"Kotaku in action, Tumblr in action, etc are all hate/harassment subs aimed to disparaged PoC and women. FACT FACT FACT FACT!"

I guess I'm hating and harassing myself who knew. I guess I've secretly been on those red-pill and white supremacists subreddits the whole time. I guess it's my to shut it down.

[–]Siliva 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

Internalized whatchamacallits.

[–]subhorizonKOBS Reject | Happy Camper 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, I hate myself also.

Fuck me! This diverse asshole should never play video games again! /s

[–]TimetravelerKihot MILF in your area - chat now! no login required! 129ポイント130ポイント  (12子コメント)

And already the first feminists join the battle, demanding that MensRights gets banned. Who didn't see that one coming?

[–]50ShadesofYay 89ポイント90ポイント  (4子コメント)

yet theres nothing wrong with againstmensrights

[–]TimetravelerKihot MILF in your area - chat now! no login required! 31ポイント32ポイント  (2子コメント)

Weird world we're living in.

[–]TheThng 20ポイント21ポイント  (4子コメント)

luckily there were a lot of people calling them out on it. Faith in reddit slightly restored.

[–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET 141ポイント142ポイント  (10子コメント)

One user I replied to has already compared KotakuInAction to fucking holocaust deniers/hate subs. The same user that got debunked is now spewing that shit on his AMA.

He's being upvoted and gilded.

[–]fernandotakai 56ポイント57ポイント  (2子コメント)

man, all the brigading on that post is so insane. 60s into it and people already posted HUGE comments that had ~100 upvotes and gold.

[–]FalmerbloodElixir 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

The entire front page of SRS is full of links to various comments in the thread. It's no surprise.

[–]-Shank- 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's getting dumped on now.

[–]Kyoraki 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

He's being upvoted and gilded

Is it really a shocker that the SJW crowd have more money than sense? These nuts were born with a silver spoon up their arse.

[–]PCGamingOppression 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, gold is only like a few bucks. Hell I could go in right now and drop 50 bucks worth of gold on posts and not worry about it in the least.

It's just a huge waste of money. Priorities are all out of whack.

[–]Chris4Hawks 30ポイント31ポイント  (0子コメント)

I saw that too. He also was gloating over how default subs censor opinions like it was a good thing.

[–]Wolphoenix 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's hilarious how SJW's fail to see that they see us as they think we see SRS

[–]JaytDude 234ポイント235ポイント  (65子コメント)

And of course, some drooling moron compared KiA to coontown. A couple of shills are also being pushed to the top.

[–]Siliva 137ポイント138ポイント  (23子コメント)

There's some long-ass posts that were clearly prewritten and then upvoted to the top. Dat brigading

[–]remzem 54ポイント55ポイント  (11子コメント)

Yeah it was a horrible idea for them to announce the exact date and time of the ama. Given how crucial the first few votes are in a comment or submission getting upvoted and viewed. Already see that the srd/ srs clown mach has brigaded his prewritten crap to the top.

[–]Deathcrow 33ポイント34ポイント  (9子コメント)

Already see that the srd/ srs clown mach has brigaded his prewritten crap to the top.

Not to mention the other pre-written reply to that comment that immediately followed by another SRDer. Makes the whole collusion/brigading thing pretty obvious.

[–]JesusPimpHand 6ポイント7ポイント  (8子コメント)

They have an IIRC, what I would pay to see all of their comms, not just easily viewed ones.

[–]Deathcrow 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

Meh, I don't give a shit. They can play their cool kids "super sicrit clubhouse" high-school games all they want without me. Just reading that retardation in there will probably make you lose a few points off your IQ.

[–]87612446F7 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

And i'm sure there will be ZERO bans for blatant coordinated vote manipulation.

[–]Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 34ポイント35ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's fucking despicable that not everyone is treated with the same rules as everyone not part of the echo chamber.

[–]shoryusatsu999 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

Despicable, but predictable. They really need to learn something new.

[–]supercore23 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

There's nothing wrong with prewritten questions. If a high profile AMA is coming up it's probably a good idea to get your shit in line ahead of time so you can get in early while the person is still answering.

Mass upvoting is also, in my opinion at least, not necessarily a bad thing. As long as they're not using bots, the votes may be coordinated but each of those votes is an actual person that actually wants the question answered. I don't really like it but I can't say I have a huge problem with it. Coordinated downvoting on the other hand, I think we can all agree, sucks.

[–]1DG4F 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

You have a point, but when the specifics of that AMA are essentially an unknown what you're doing is going in with an agenda regardless of what the content will be. They thought /u/spez was gonna start flailing the banhammer around to subs, even got a brand new popcorn gif, but now they're butt hurt because things didn't go as planned. I think you could argue that /u/ was going into this hoping to drum up support for the banning of KiA lumping us with the other subs who were, which they were hoping, banned. Evidence being the mod logs a couple of our mods posted. They specifically say they're trying to get KiA banned, and seem obsessed with the word pissbabies.

[–]ggthxnore 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Coordinated upvoting is literally brigading. It's the whole "disrupting the natural flow of a subreddit/discussion" thing. It didn't rise to the top naturally, it got there because people planned it in IRC. They may all be real people and not bots, and sincerely believe in what they are upvoting, but the coordination gives them an unfair visibility advantage. If they all had to come to it on their own, without any coordination, then while it might wind up with the same total # of upvotes they would not come all at once, people would have more time to downvote it or upvote other comments.

I, personally, am not a fan of the whole up/downvote thing and how popularity determines visibility and no one, not one single person, actually follows "reddiquette", but reddit themselves are pretty committed to their system and have strict rules about vote brigades and shit like that, and this is clearly in that same vein.

[–]CarCrashPregnancy 22ポイント23ポイント  (3子コメント)

From the current wording KIA seems safe. I had a pre-written question myself, and it ended up getting addressed in another one. One of the things I asked for was instead of banning how about just labeling content with flair better. People can still have their kool-aid and drink it that way. I want to see everything on reddit that I subscribe to. But I don't want to see dogs humping cats, can you just be required to flair "animal sex" and I can go...oh cool I don't want to see that, so I won't click that, because I'm a big boy and can go to bed without wetting it.

[–]mrmacky 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

can you just be required to flair "animal sex" and I can go...
oh cool I don't want to see that, so I won't click that, because
I'm a big boy and can go to bed without wetting it.

As an aside I'm developing a piece of [community] software for a group of people that KiA would likely label as SJWs. (In my opinion they've just stewed in the Tumblr echo-chamber for too long.)

This type of content tagging system is exactly the sort of thing we're using to balance their desire for respecting users with 'triggers' against my own intolerance for censorship.

A lot of cool things fall out of such a system! For instance users with epilepsy can either block animated content, or make it click-to-play. Another example is that we can use these content-tags to make sure certain stuff doesn't reach younger participants on the site.

As an added benefit our rules can be much more clear-cut. For e.g: "don't do anything that will piss off our ISP" instead of really vague things like "don't hurt muh feelings."


That being said, I'm still not quite sure how I feel about implementing such systems. In my opinion: it enables people to make their "echo-chambers", "hugboxes", et al. more airtight.

I believe seeing beliefs which challenge your own is an important part of personal growth; and giving people the opportunity to opt-out of seeing such views can be very dangerous.
(As a concrete example: I went to parochial schools for my entire K-12 career. I would be a very different person if no one had ever challenged my beliefs re: creationism, for instance.)

So I'm quite torn: I don't want to build tools which reinforce the walls of hugboxes; yet I do wish to respect people's choice to hide certain content. In other words: these tools do help eliminate totalitarian censorship, but at the cost of promoting a sort of self-censorship. Is that a worthy compromise? I'm not really sure ¯\(ツ)/¯.

[–]CarCrashPregnancy 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea I guess it turns into a double edged sword. I can see it being cool as a rebuttal to the twitter block bot, but could quickly turn into something sinister in the wrong hands. I think I'd rather see it as a content flair, and not a filter. So it's still available, but you can still choose. Which is also how I fell out of my religion. My mother never stifled my search for the truth despite being devote southern baptist. She watched documentaries with me, and we would discuss them at length.

And truth be told, every time I go to KIA, I also check Ghazi. Sometimes the posts here are just too good to be true and I need to see if the sugar isn't a bitter half truth. Thankfully most of the time it's that sweet sweet candy I enjoy

[–]Logan_Mac 22ポイント23ポイント  (6子コメント)

I reported that one for vote brigading, it's so shameless giving that everyone's calling on their bullshit

[–]CarCrashPregnancy 27ポイント28ポイント  (4子コメント)

any comment I've seen asking what to do about SRS is getting brigaded into oblivion

[–]Logan_Mac 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't believe this!

[–]Draconilian 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except for the ones that were written by SRSers ironically

[–]TheThng 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

pretty sure it was linked to the SRD IRC.

If true, its not surprising given their past as a brigade

[–]Lagahan 51ポイント52ポイント  (7子コメント)

Every SJW on the site it seems had 20+ minutes worth of writing in posts, on a 10 minute old AMA (when I read it). Nevermind banning subreddits and people, this site is no longer a free and open platform when people prep comments and then brigade them with upvotes. Whats the point?

[–]birdboy2000 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

The AMA was announced a couple days in advance. I don't view prewriting as a rules violation.

Brigading is clearly going on, I've seen some pretty severe swings on my posts in the thread. (can't say which side is doing it, or if both are, but it's definitely happening.)

[–]TorchicBlaziken 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think brigading needs to be involved for them to go into a thread on /r/announcements. Redditors downvoting comments they don't like is just something that happens.

[–]birdboy2000 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's more the pace of the swing. I expect things to go back and forth a bit, and they are, but someone's pushing their votes on certain posts all at once.

[–]Cplblue 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well there's a post on the front page of this sub-reddit giving everyone a heads up about the AMA 6 hours in advance. Pretty good chance that people wrote their questions prior to get them spell checked and in proper reddit format to copy and paste for the AMA. As for the brigading, well this isn't exactly news :/

[–]Lagahan 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll be honest, I forgot the AMA was happening, so I was shocked to come into a 10 min old AMA looking like a 4 hour old one.

[–]mythrilman 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

Gotta love how it was up basically the second the ama was posted and instantly had 100 upvotes. Nothing suspicious at all. No brigading or anything.

[–]Ergheis 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sad thing to think about is this: they have quite clearly stated to shadowbanned people that the link they clicked and upvoted through was why they were banned. It implies that they have the ability to see who upvotes through links...

...and yet it doesn't seem to be a problem here.

[–]its_never_lupus 35ポイント36ポイント  (12子コメント)

I've seen threads in TheoryOfReddit that casually drop KiA in a list of reddits alongside openly racist ones, TheRedPill and MRA subs. The media campaign may have cost many journos a lot of credibility but it has been effective. People read the reports instead of coming here.

[–]AntonioOfVeniceRuns /r/polygon \ Karma King of late April 2015 27ポイント28ポイント  (3子コメント)

Tell a lie long enough and people will start to believe it.

Even still, the only ones who have ever bashed me for posting in KIA have been people with a history of posting in SRS.

[–]Impeesa_ 19ポイント20ポイント  (5子コメント)

There you are, right there, lumping mensrights in with TRP and coontown. That's exactly what you're talking about.

[–]peckx063 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

There you are, right there, lumping TRP in with coontown.

[–]GrampappyJoe 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

There you are, right there. Hi.

[–]1DG4F 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, but /u/cha0s responded well.

[–]1DG4F 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Doing so was a gamble, and once again they failed miserably. What they don't realize is that outside of their hug box they sound crazy, and by that comment bringing it up it allowed us, and others, to respond. I've seen /u/cha0s, /u/IAmSupernova, /u/Logan_Mac, and /u/MannoSlimmins all putting in work, and I appreciate the quality of which they did it. These are little snippets of why antis refused to do AirPlay, because "normal" people would see the difference between us and, historically, that tends to turn them pro.

......OH! /u/porygonzguy was also being a boss ;)

[–]DeadGamerWalking 43ポイント44ポイント  (9子コメント)

/u/davidreiss666 really has a hate boner against us.

[–]TheTaoOfOne 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol, I enjoyed one of his comments here in another thread:

Yeah, I have gotten dozens of usernames mentions from there.

Talking about KiA. And yet, this is the only comment I could find with an actual mention to him. Feels not Reals I suppose.

[–]GG_MeowIt's about meowthics 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

That guy is one of the biggest problems with this site: he wants things banned he doesn't like. At least it seems that a statement has been made that content won't be banned, just because someone doesn't like it.

[–]16intheclip 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's already a complete shitshow with highly upvoted & gilded comments comparing KiA to racial hatred subs. Yup, goes about as well as I imagined.

[–]aprobo 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

Anything that incites harm or violence against an individual or group of people (it's ok to say "I don't like this group of people." It's not ok to say, "I'm going to kill this group of people.")

I look forward to seeing this enforced against feminists. #KillAllMen

[–]HexezWork 33ポイント34ポイント  (2子コメント)

The usual suspects are in full force associating KiA with racist (I believe they should exist but they are racist) subreddits.

Fun to see them getting downvoted heavily cause clearly its just GG and the rest of the world.

People are real tired of SRS's shit.

[–]JesusPimpHand 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I tried to put in a good word for us, but I prolly just look like a loser sucking up. At least I tried. What he has said so far is hopeful.

[–]Irvin700 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like how he's trying to justify what he said about the bastion of free speech part.

Oh, this is going to be good.

[–]OPUno 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

On Yishan and Pao saying stuff that contradicts the answers given:

Well, only one of us actually works here.

[ ]Not rekt.

[X]Rekt.

[–]1DG4F 24ポイント25ポイント  (26子コメント)

/u/MannoSlimmins that post with the mod log conversation, HOLY FUCKING SHIT MY SIDES!!!

[–]MannoSlimminsPeople who talk in metaphors should shampoo my crotch 18ポイント19ポイント  (14子コメント)

Thank you, thank you.

See guys? I'm here to do more than antagonize the community. I also antagonize the trolls <3

[–]TheHat2 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

Equal opportunity offender?

[–]MannoSlimminsPeople who talk in metaphors should shampoo my crotch 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Exactly. I'm an antagonistic egalitarian.

[–]AntonioOfVeniceRuns /r/polygon \ Karma King of late April 2015 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

You are abusing the institutionalized power you have as a mod to oppress these poor trolls. This is 'punching down'.

[–]MannoSlimminsPeople who talk in metaphors should shampoo my crotch 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is 'punching down'.

Unfortunately, as a 6-foot-7-kin, i routinely hurt my back punching down on the tiny people

[–]porygonzguyWriter for SuperNerdLand 6ポイント7ポイント  (7子コメント)

Hey man I posted it first, give credit where credit is due

[–]1DG4F 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

You posted an inferior version....... I apologize.

[–]porygonzguyWriter for SuperNerdLand 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

:|

[–]1DG4F 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

That was supposed to be a joke, but I've been told I'm not that funny.

[–]porygonzguyWriter for SuperNerdLand 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

My reply was also a joke

[–]1DG4F 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Are we having an "awkward off"?

[–]porygonzguyWriter for SuperNerdLand 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Possibly.

Is this the part where the penises touch?

[–]1DG4F 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think we have to play swords while pissing first.

[–]JesusPimpHand 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

There was a laundry list of SRS misdeeds here too, I love the light being shed on this musty site right now. I might even eat some popcorn.

[–]TimetravelerKihot MILF in your area - chat now! no login required! 36ポイント37ポイント  (6子コメント)

Anything that incites harm or violence against an individual or group of people Anything that harasses, bullies, or abuses an individual or group of people (these behaviors intimidate others into silence)

Here we go :D

[–]HexezWork 52ポイント53ポイント  (5子コメント)

Ohh boy that means SRS's constant harassment and bullying of specific users by direct linking and being encouraged to direct link with no censoring of names will be removed.

Waits

[–]TimetravelerKihot MILF in your area - chat now! no login required! 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Let's see :D We should ask him about this. Although now it's probably to late to ask a question that will be read.

[–]HexezWork 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

They have a comment at 20 comment karma, about 1,000 letters of text, and x3 gold atm.

Ya...

Funny watching them try to push their shitty opinion up, the normies are really tired of their shitty opinions.

[–]TimetravelerKihot MILF in your area - chat now! no login required! 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yup. I also bet that "they" here is one man with multiple accounts.

[–]_pulsar 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

They've migrated to SRD.

[–]deltax20a 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why would someone give gold to the CEO?

I mean, I know the answer, but that thirst is real.

[–]inti-kab 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

how the hell idiots calling KiA a hate sub? It has little to no NSFW related stuff, it doesn't promote racism and hate on any group/individual (sure we hate SJWs but we don't go around promoting hate on them), we dont doxx others, we don't have/promote sectarianism, and dont spam other sub-reddit. This sub is dedicated for gamergate and calling out the media/SJWs on their bullshit!

[–]SlipperyThong 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

We're a hate sub because we show special snowflakes that they aren't really special.

[–]SpawnPointGuard 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

So rapingwomen will be banned. I think I can live with that one, especially if they're encouraging others to rape. coontown will be allowed to stay but they will be rebranded... which is odd. The super offensive subs will get the "reclassification" which is similar to the NSFW tag. All I'm thinking about this is that KIA is going to be branded as a hate sub or something. It probably means they won't show up when you click random and, if I had to take a guess, they will not show up on /r/all.

[–]Battess 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

The few examples he gave for being reclassified as opt-in only are pretty extreme. No matter what a few people screech over and over you only have to glance at KiA for a second to see it doesn't belong in that category. I don't see what would motivate him to come to some other conclusion, against his current attitudes.

[–]WoahtheredudexTop Class P0RN ⋆ 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

So rapingwomen will be banned. I think I can live with that one, especially if they're encouraging others to rape

So I just went there to see if that sub was serious and to be honest I couldn't find anyone really supporting rape there outside of obvious jokes. It seems to be a satire sub.

[–]Sivarian 61ポイント62ポイント  (35子コメント)

From the AMA, things now restricted:

  • Spam
  • Anything illegal (i.e. things that are actually illegal, such as copyrighted material. Discussing illegal activities, such as drug use, is not illegal)
  • Publication of someone’s private and confidential information
  • Anything that incites harm or violence against an individual or group of people
  • Sexually suggestive content featuring minors

Spaghetti was spilled by people here and elsewhere, as expected. I'm sure I'll be seeing a million more posts about how "the admins will twist the anti-inciting harm/violence to ban KiA!" but, legitimately, I don't expect this to happen. It's highly unlikely and being convinced that some Reddit Admin conspiracy will see KiA banned is a pointless mental exercise.

Something to note is that these are, per the post, rough bullet points. They'll be looking to clarify the language and provide clear examples in the future--the purpose of this AMA will be for people to get an idea of what those details will be.

KiA's primary focus right now should be looking forward to new moderators/candidates to help keep the sub as well-maintained as it's been thus far, if not better.

EDIT: "/r/coontown will be reclassified. The content there is offensive to many, but does not violate our current rules for banning."

PREPARE THE SALT TRUCKS

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    [–]snarkbot_777 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

    if the hateful users continue to spill out into mainstream reddit, we will try more aggressive approaches.

    "Double down on containment! Shuffle away the dissenters from the advertisers! How's that 'junk shot,' solution to cap all the racism and illegitimate downvoting coming along?"

    [–]CountVonVague 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    About as well as our "crap shoot" plan sir! The mean comments keep flowing and the Jimmie Valve won't stop rustling. Maybe we should switch to a "astroturf" surface dispersant to keep up the company's image and push everything to downvote hell on the seafloor!

    [–]cfl1 26ポイント27ポイント  (19子コメント)

    Wrong. You left out the most ridiculous one:

    Anything that harasses, bullies, or abuses an individual or group of people (these behaviors intimidate others into silence)

    [–]GGRain 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    can we get ghazi banned because they harass and bully people of KiA :D? I bet not.

    [–]Somesortofthing 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Aren't the new rules(except the reclassification thing, which I think is probably a good compromise between the admins and the community of the more questionable subs) completely identical to the old?

    [–]cfl1 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Anything that harasses, bullies, or abuses an individual or group of people (these behaviors intimidate others into silence)

    [–]TheThng 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

    PREPARE THE SALT TRUCKS

    https://i.imgur.com/AYL8YHa.jpg

    I managed to cap this before there were any replies that I could see.

    I saw the salt coming a mile away.

    [–]SF218 40ポイント41ポイント  (25子コメント)

    Honestly? Most of /u/spez's answers are sound and fair. I like the reclassification approach. I've seen it used elsewhere and it works really well. So long as he follows through with CLEARLY defining what constitutes harassment, all is well in my mind. This is a fair compromise thus far.

    [–]IAmSupernovaMod - @SupaNovaKiA 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah it seems pretty reasonable to me.

    A lot of people are trying to soapbox and get an official statement on certain topics. The policy itself looks like it will be easy to follow. I don't see any problems with anything.

    [–]AntonioOfVeniceRuns /r/polygon \ Karma King of late April 2015 5ポイント6ポイント  (8子コメント)

    What the hell is 'reclassified' anyway? Will people receive a warning before being permitted to enter Coontown?

    [–]poelol 13ポイント14ポイント  (7子コメント)

    To me it sounds like:

    1) If you lurk and don't log in, you will NEVER see these subs

    2) If you log in, you need to opt in to get that content.

    I don't know if it's going to be big on/off switch or you will have to go by sub. If you go by sub, it will effectively kill them as no one will even know they exist because you can't search for them.

    [–]subhorizonKOBS Reject | Happy Camper 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

    From spez himself.

    Spirited debates are in important part of what makes Reddit special. Our goal is to spell out clear ruled that everyone can understand. Any banning of content will be carefully considered against our public rules.

    Can't wait to call this out if he bans KiA.

    [–]birdboy2000 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Part of me thinks he's actually going to be reasonable and only purge a small number of subreddits, all of which were, if legal, still apolitical and in seriously bad taste. Maybe a violation of the free speech policy that built reddit, but personally something I could begrudgingly live with - I still feel bad for the people who used those subs, however, because I think reddit recruited them to grow and screwed them over for money.

    Part of me thinks he's talking out of both sides of his mouth and is going to write a vague "harassment" policy and use it as an excuse to go full purge.

    (and a tiny portion of me holds out hope reddit's going to finally apply the same rules to SJWs who harass - and for that matter non-SJWs who pick acceptable targets, ala cringepics and justneckbeardthings - as it did places like FPH. If reddit is serious about ending harassment whoever it comes from and defines clear rules that let places like this still function, I'm turning adblock off again.)

    [–]bat32391 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

    How the fuck is kia a hate sub? I mean holy shit we were fucking compared to rapingwomen and coontown. WTF. All the shit is fucking retarded, why can't we just treat others the way we want to be treated? It should be that fucking simple.

    [–]LackingTact19 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I started responding to a comment doing this and deleted it before sending cause it would be pointless, their views are completely set in stone and they won't change for anything

    [–]ItzWolfeh 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Some fucking autist in that AMA said TiA and KiA just harass POC and women, looks like I've been unknowingly harassed by you shits for the past months.

    [–]1DG4F 15ポイント16ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Ha, ghazi is a bit butt hurt. They had such high hopes for this AMA, and now they can't use their brand new popcorn gif :(

    [–]BItchesBeOnMyD 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    now they can't use their brand new popcorn gif :(

    idk why, but I just laughed really hard at that.

    [–]cfl1 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

    God damn it, they made me upvote cha0s. I feel dirty.

    [–]Eustace_Savage 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    There are more things that unite us than divide us.

    [–]LackingTact19 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

    The r/subredditdrama thread for this was the first one I saw so I checked it out and they were PISSED, I never realized who exactly frequented that sub, so much hate. KiA was called out quite a bit and ridiculed while also being accused of brigading, but no one could seem to actually come up with any point besides a long string of haha's. Can't even have a discussion cause it's immediate hostility

    [–]BItchesBeOnMyD 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Honestly, I thought the ama was great. It started out a little spotty, but /u/spez really clarified his positions later in the ama. Plus the SJW's got absolutely fucked, even funnier that they were expecting somethig huge, because of troll yishan.

    [–]ProblematicReality 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    These radical nuts run subreddits like: /r/CoonTown, r/GreatApes, /r/European, /r/Holocaust (holocaust deniers), /r/TheRedPill, /r/KotakuInAction, etc.

    Unbelievable, unfuckingbelievable, how can you go so low as to compare KiA to places like coontwon? It's not only ridicules but actually counterproductive to THEIR cause, don't these intellectual parasites realize that the only thing this will do is legitimize ACTUAL racists and push centrits more to the extreme?

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      [–]IAmSupernovaMod - @SupaNovaKiA 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The thing had 1k posts in 5 minutes. There were tons of people waiting for it to be posted. I don't really think I'd consider it brigading. It was announced and planned.

      [–]Sivarian 19ポイント20ポイント  (4子コメント)

      I'm guessing it's not 'brigading' as much as it's "several thousand people reading and voting at once."

      [–]asianedy 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

      How does a post over 2000 words minimum get over 200 votes in under a minute, when the post itself was posted in under a minute?

      [–]ThatFacelessMan 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

      Can we appreciate at the very least his sick burn of Pao and Yishan?

      You have /u/Yishan[1] and /u/ekjp[2] directly contradicting this answer very recently in Reddit posts.

      Well, only one of us actually works here.

      [–]Kyoraki 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

      I'm starting to think that Yishan is deliberately trying to bring reddit down. For all his talk of a great purge, and the death of coontown, fuck all has actually happened. The proposed changes while still vague, have been very mild on comparison to what Yishan was promising.

      [–]Eustace_Savage 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

      He sympathises with Pao. Of course he wants to take down reddit. That much was obvious from all hubris filled shit posting. Has he posted since the AMA? I expect him to be very quiet for a while.

      [–]Dohnought8765 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      More than that, ceos are made and broken by their ability to make long term decisions.

      Yishan was simply covering his own ass, and making himself look like he made a great decision in hiring Ellen, who was perfect for Reddit, but Reddit was too far gone for her help.

      [–]OPUno 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      He answered to the burn:

      And, I don't contradict this answer either; I'm not sure which of my recent comments you believe indicates this.

      Dunno if he really expected people to believe that, I think that's he's desilusional at this point.

      [–]xelaboc 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Is this the beginning of the end?

      [–]mct1The Hitchhiker's Guide to #Gamergate 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Already over the admin wars are.

      [–]TheThng 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

      nah

      from what I gathered, blatantly stupid shit like rapingwomen is going to get the axe, but other places that actually house discussion, even distasteful discussion, will make it through just fine.

      [–]LiterallyEthics 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      There is some major voting manipulation/brigading going on in that thread.

      [–]UberAndrewMore traps than Ghazi 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The new policies seem alright, but some of them seem vague enough they could easily be used to ban subreddits they simply don't like. Let's wait to see what they define as "harassment" or "harm" before we freak out.

      [–]FrostytheSnowColt 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

      As Reddit has grown, we've seen additional examples of how unfettered free speech can make Reddit a less enjoyable place to visit, and can even cause people harm outside of Reddit.

      He's basically saying that he cares more about making the site more popular than anything resembling integrity. Yes, free speech makes places less desirable. But the only reason he would care about that is ad revenue.

      Free speech isn't about saying things that other people like. If the only things that can be said are those that "make the site more enjoyable", you end up with an echo chamber hugbox.

      [–]feroslav 19ポイント20ポイント  (12子コメント)

      It's official he is way worse than Pao. He wants to ban subreddits taht "cause harm to others". This can be literally anything. I can't stand his dishonest bullshit about mission of reddit and other bullshit.

      [–]UberAndrewMore traps than Ghazi 16ポイント17ポイント  (4子コメント)

      That policy is pretty vague, but we'll have to wait and see what they define "harm" as.

      If they stick to subreddits that actually endorse bullying and harassment, then I don't see a problem, but if they use that policy to ban subreddits they just don't like then there's a problem.

      [–]subhorizonKOBS Reject | Happy Camper 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

      That's wishful thinking. It's too vague. Any group of people can band together and say "_____ subreddit is harassing us," and they will ban that subreddit.

      They have proven themselves to ignore practicing transparent, clear, and concise decisions when dealing with subreddits. On top of that, they are horribly inconsistent with who they ban. They cut down FPH while keeping CoonTown up? How the fuck do you mess that up?

      [–]Karmaze 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The neohipster culture in tech is racist as fuck. I would not expect anything else

      [–]porygonzguyWriter for SuperNerdLand 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      That policy is just as vague if not vaguer than the current admin's policies.

      Good luck to any sub trying to make sure that it won't affect them because I can guarantee it's gonna be applied haphazardly.

      [–]HandofBaneShitposter Extraordinaire 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Several hundred people have asked for a clear word on "what is harassment being defined as?" So far, nothing in response really.

      Shit is coming across as half-hearted PR right now.

      [–]totlmstrBanned for triggering reddit's advertisers 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

      [–]snarkbot_777 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

      An AMA was a shitty way of trying to do this, nobody's questions will follow his copypasta note cards perfectly so they will go unanswered, and fucking term paper length posts like the first one take too long to read or respond to. They should have just posted a video statement against a green screen for future fun posting and "community involvement."

      [–]MaximoffZero 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Anything that harasses, bullies, or abuses an individual or group of people (these behaviors intimidate others into silence)

      Asked about this in particular. Way too vague.

      [–]RandomFoolHere 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Let's see if /u/spez answers real questions not posted by a shill with an honest direct answer.

      [–]remzem 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Translation:

      The reddit content policy will remain unchanged and is thus: Reddit will continue to ban communities if mainstream media notices them and they begin to make us look bad enough that it hurts our revenue.

      The only difference is that through a combination of reddit's extreme growth in traffic and the mainstream medias dwindling traffic resulting in them more and more targeting reddit with outrage clickbait we are now more often under pressure to ban communities.

      The language in our old public psuedo-policy around free speech was far too explicit. It was becoming an issue as we ramped up bannings to protect our image and brand. We've decided that we will keep our policy of free speech because it sounds nice but we're going to vague up the language a bunch. No longer will we tolerate "all speech" because that is too explicit and objective. From now on we will only tolerate "authentic speech" because who the fuck knows what that is.

      [–]bugme143 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      https://archive.is/7Orj6
      Proof SRS brigaded, ignored by /u/spez.

      [–]feared_rear_admiral 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

      To bring it up again: I didn't see a single question about SRS and SRD answered by spez. It's so easy to focus on bullshit like coontown that is obviously in bad taste but easily refuted. The brigade subs should be front and centre in this debate because it's 100% to do with what users on this site do to other users.

      But again, nothing.

      [–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

      This means that /u/Yishan was wrong. Huffman didn't carry on Pao's policies at all.

      [–]WFW_311 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I note a Spez response ends with W is this the new And N ?

      [–]kaszak696 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Oh great, another set of very vague rules that can be twisted into anything he wants.

      [–]EpiquePhael 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Man, I would read through all of it, but the noxious amount of smug radiating from it keeps making me sick.

      [–]StayingOccupied 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Will the reclassified subs be blocked from /r/all now?

      [–]Logan_Mac 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      All that PR lingo makes me fucking mad jesus fuck. Big words and no answers

      [–]northguard 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Since he's mentioning the new mod tools every single post regarded to bannings I think one thing they will add that not many people are paying attention to is either take away mods' ability to make defaults private or give admins the power to open subs overridding mods' control. The defaults going private was a gigantic slap in the face and black mark for reddit and I really don't see them risking that happening again. Not to mention admins overridding mods "makes sense" from a forum point of view even if it won't work for reddit at all since admins do fuck all in subreddits.

      [–]ev1lb1t 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      His original post is linking to that discredited "safe-space" study

      Of course he links to the blog without the comment blowing out of the water with the force of a supernova.

      That said, I've been reading his responses to actual users and his examples are definitely not 'SJW safe-space puppy room' crap.

      Still, zero official clarification on what "harassment" means, only responses to individual user posts with no updates in the actual rules post, leaving it completely open.

      That said, his solution appears to be a second NSFW style classification, which is a hell of a lot better than out-right removal.

      It looks like they learned their less from the FPH fiasco: don't kick the hornet's nest.

      [–]ClitInstantWoodThe Bear GG 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      His last reply was 50 min ago and then he posted to /r/todayilearned with some popcorn joke. Are you fucking kidding me

      [–]LiterallyEthics 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Anybody know what happened to /u/dangerdark? He had an amazing comback to spez's comment

      First, they don't conflict directly, but the common wording is unfortunate. As I state in my post, the concept of free speech is important to us, but completely unfettered free speech can cause harm to others and additionally silence others, which is what we'll continue to address.

      He basically called him out asking who the hell he thought he was talking to. Then got like 3000 upvotes. His post was editted to this:

      Hitler wasn't all bad. After all, he did kill Hitler.

      His username still shows his post and not [deleted]. Doesn't this mean they shadowbanned him?

      [–]FranticJ3 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      "You know it when you see it basis"

      I love how vague that is