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[–]dowhatuwant2 882ポイント883ポイント x2 (193子コメント)

>Vote counts, before and after, of a SRS brigade

>SRD thread about /u/potato_in_my_anus getting shadowbanned

>SRD talks about SRS doxxing

>/r/MensRights on /u/violentacrez being doxxed

>SRSters sking for a brigade

>More brigading

>An entire post of collected evidence

>An entire thread that contains evidence of brigading, along with admin bias in favor of SRS

>Here's a PM that mentions doxxing and black mailing

>Direct evidence of /u/violentacrez being doxxed

>SRS getting involved in linked threads as of 2/21/14

>SRSters asking for a witch-hunt after being banned from /r/AskReddit

>"Organic" voting. Downvotes on a two day thread after SRS gets to it.

>User actually admits to voting in linked threads

>Is there any more serious evidence of SRS abuse? All of this is 8 months or older a mix of different dates, so some more recent evidence would be greatly appreciated. It would be good to know if we're in the right here or if we need to reevaluate; however, I'm fairly certain that we're not the shit posters here. I can foresee another bout of SRS related drama flaring up soon. It would be nice to find something recent to support our position because then nobody would be able to claim that SRS has changed.

>Let's please avoid duplicates. Go for the two deep rule: don't post something as evidence it can be reached within one click of a source. If you have to go deeper, then feel free to post it.

>Update: Evidence post of SRS organizing to ruin the lives of multiple people.

>Update: the admin /u/intortus is no longer a part of the admin team and is now a mod of SRS, as shown by this picture (as of 3/19/14). This is clear evidence that at least one admin is affiliated with SRS in a clear way, thus giving credibility to the notion that SRS has or had at least partial admin support.

>Update: There is also evidence that SRS is promoting or otherwise supporting the doxxing of /u/violentacrez. RationalWiki has a section on Reddit and the moderator there is pro-SRS; in the section on /u/violentacrez, there is personal information (name and location) about where he lives. I won't link to it, but you can look for yourself.

>Update: An entire post of evidence that SRS brigades. Courtesy of /u/Ayevee

>Update: Here's SRS brigading a 2 weak old thread, as of 4/27. Ten downvotes since it was submitted.

>Update: An album of SRD mods banning a user and removing his posts when he calls out SRD mods for being in line with SRS

>Subreddit analysis, where SRS posters are also posters in SRD en masse (highest on the list).

[–]NopeNotTrue 247ポイント248ポイント  (52子コメント)

u/spez

Please answer any post relating to SRS and the fact they have been proven to brigade/DOX in the past. Isn't the whole entire subreddit just brigading?

EDIT: I'm not even campaigning to ban SRS - I would honestly prefer no subreddits be banned (that don't host illegal content where the servers are). People who use reddit need to be prepared to act like an adult and ignore anything they find "offensive" or triggering. I draw the line at "harassment" but it is such a tough thing to clarify what harassment is that I'm not sure any subs should be banned at all under that ruling. I just want to hear his thoughts on the leeway they seem (I said seem!) to have been given for offences other subreddits have been banned for (allegedly). I don't think the situation is so clear cut and I would love to hear his thoughts.

[–]LostLozenge 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

SRD should get some flak for that too. Their bias is not incredibly difficult to see, and the sub is largely used as a platform for advertising comments/arguments/positions that the OP disagrees with regardless of whether or not it is 'dramatic'; the fact that others hold opinions which differ from their precise sensibilities is 'dramatic' enough for more than a few submitters there, apparently. People do vote on linked submissions from SRD, and it hardly takes any effort to backspace the 'np' out of the address bar.

Subreddit analysis, where SRS posters are also posters in SRD en masse (highest on the list).

Not surprising.

[–]dowhatuwant2 169ポイント170ポイント  (40子コメント)

Mocking and calling people stupid is not harassment

But doing the same while calling them fat is apparently. Fucking hypocrites.

[–]HexezWork 52ポイント53ポイント  (3子コメント)

You can mock them and call them stupid as long as you agree with our staff's politics.

FTFY if you were confused.

[–]MarxistSmurf 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

You can mock them and call them stupid as long as you don't tell people to kill themselves and degrade them to the point of calling them sub-humans.

FTFY

[–]HexezWork 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You never been to SRS now have you?

Thats a daily occurrence.

[–]robotortoise 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Proof? I've always seen people saying this but they never link any recent proof. It's always like 2-4 years old.

[–]u_Belong_To_Me 33ポイント34ポイント  (19子コメント)

FPH was banned for doing stupid shit like brigading /r/suicidewatch threads and telling people to kill themselves.

[–]Parasymphatetic 13ポイント14ポイント  (16子コメント)

So why didn't the user that did that get banned? Why was the whole subreddit and all of its spawns closed?

[–]BtmnDetroitDeserves 14ポイント15ポイント  (14子コメント)

Because FPH mods were participating. At that point, the sub is so toxic that killing it is the best thing to do.

[–]___Towlie___ 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

Citations? This whole set of responses is hearsay from both sides. I'm interested in citations that prove either 1)FPH mods were brigading. Or 2) FPH mods weren't brigading.

As far as I'm concerned, anyone that whines about FPH (pro or against) rarely brings proof to the table and I'm sick of hearing both of them.

[–]BtmnDetroitDeserves 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here is a post that does a great job of explaining why FPH deserved to be deleted, replete with screencaps.

https://archive.is/GYd1c

[–]Parasymphatetic 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Maybe but i don't understand how subs that do equally effed up shit still exist?

And why wouldn't i be allowed to reopen FPH with new mods and ban all users that harass people?

[–]MarxistSmurf 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

The WHOLE point of FPH was to harass people.

[–]Parasymphatetic 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes yes, you are #1000 to say that. But why are other similar subs still up? No one can answer me that.

[–]dohhhnut -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nope, the point was to say mean things about fat people, which is VERY FUCKING DIFFERENT from harassing.

[–]Anon159023 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same reason PCmaster race was banned, you do stupid shit like that a lot and eventually they just cull the source.

However Pcmasterrace didn't have a giant hissy fit and worked to improve and got unbanned unlike FPH.

[–]municipalpaste 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is there any evidence of this. I'm not pro FPH btw, I hated the sub. I just feel like an accusation like that needs to be backed up with evidence.

[–]AnExoticLlama 21ポイント22ポイント  (9子コメント)

/r/fatlogic isn't banned

[–]UroBROros 32ポイント33ポイント  (7子コメント)

To be fair, I think a lot of people see /r/fatlogic as more negative than it is. It's centered around calling out the bullshit that people use to fool themselves into thinking what they're doing is healthy, rather than calling out the people themselves, if that makes any sense.

I'm actually (successfully) on a weight loss trip of my own, and I frequent /r/fatlogic to keep my own bullshit in check. Just my 2c.

[–]AnExoticLlama 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, I'm pointing out the problem with the other guy's post. Not talking about its negativity

[–]I_ABUSED_YOUR_CHAIR -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

I dunno, but "kill yourself fatty" or comments along those lines are often spawned from that and related places. If I ever were to come to a point where I'd actually consider that 'constructive criticism' or 'moral support' I'd like everyone I know to kill me quickly.

There is literally (yes, literally) nothing dumber and more stupid than such negative comments becoming the norm.

EDIT: Upon second thought: I must say the days of /r/fatlogic and related being that bad seem to be numbered.

I'm actually impressed with the moderation there. +1 to the mod team.

And -1 to you guys. You're quick to downvote on disagreement. Something something reddiquette

[–]ProductofUnreality 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think there's a massive difference between comments like that being spawned from a sub and having a sub that's entirely devoted to sentiments like that.

[–]I_ABUSED_YOUR_CHAIR 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Arguably, /r/fatlogic isn't that bad, especially lately. I wonder where all the FPH users who frequented there went. Is voat finally a stable platform for all the lower scum now?

[–]UroBROros 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

RELATED places perhaps, but that sort of content is pretty quickly and harshly moderated out of /r/fatlogic.

[–]I_ABUSED_YOUR_CHAIR 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I must say the days of /r/fatlogic and related being that bad seem to be numbered.

I'm actually impressed with the moderation there. +1 to the mod team.

[–]shaggy1265 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

People love to ignore this.

/r/fatpeoplestories isn't banned either.

Confirmation bias is a hell of a thing huh?

[–]OBJesus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lmao of course this comment is still making its rounds on reddit. FPH wasn't banned because they made fun of fat people. There's a reason that sub was banned, but Fatlogic wasn't.

[–]Strix97 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Calling someone fat = not nice

Following people into other subs (ex: /r/SuicideWatch) and commenting how they are terrible for being fat. = Harrasment

[–]Its_Phobos 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Would you not consider reposting people's pics from /r/loseit into fph crossing a line? While it didn't happen a lot, it certainly took place, and plenty of people then got their jollies by crossing subs to mock them. Hell you couldn't even point that fact out in fph because you'd be banned as a fat sympathizer. I don't think it should have resulted in the sub being banned, especially in light of /u/spez effectively saying racism (and probably homophobia, misandry, misogyny, etc) are a-ok, but to pretend harassment wasn't taking place and continuing to whine about "muh freedums" made the subscribers sound as stupid as the butterhuffers with their cundishuns.

[–]-moose- 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

you might enjoy

A joke making fun of Reddit CEO Ellen Pao is removed for "harassment" after receiving more than 3000 upvotes.

http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/378smw/a_joke_making_fun_of_reddit_ceo_ellen_pao_is/

[–]BackAlleyPrisonRape 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dude, FPH celebrated and cheered someone on who posted to /r/suicidewatch. That's fucking harassment but you guys don't want to accept that. Encouraging suicide is harassment and if you don't like that then go to Voat.

[–]TitoTheMidget -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, except FPH was banned for harassing the Imgur staff. Nice try tho.

[–]comrade-jim 27ポイント28ポイント  (2子コメント)

They're brigading against white cis males and we here at reddit have no problem with that.

[–]Pebcaks 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Of course, that's the good type of brigading, it's encouraged by these SJWs apologists.

Fucking hypocrites...

[–]___Towlie___ 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gotta let the SJWs feel like special snowflakes. Otherwise they'll realize they're just people with baggage. Can't let that happen, now can we.

[–]DJSmuga 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol they're gonna just breeze right past that one.

[–]WillyWeStack 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

u/spez won't answer. He's one of them.

[–]Turk182 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I will eat an entire bowl of popcorn if /u/spez responds about SRS

[–]PMME_YOUR_TITS_WOMAN 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

He won't.

[–]robotortoise -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cause the evidence isn't recent. SRS doesn't do shit nowadays.

I don't like em, but they don't do much.

[–]ShadowHandler 114ポイント115ポイント  (17子コメント)

SRS thrives on harassment and they really need to go... I had to create a new reddit account because I made a joke about feminists with my last one, not even meaning to offend anyone. There was a post about some misguided feminists at a rally that attacked a photographer for doing his job, and I posted a comment like "I volunteer to be the bus driver for the next rally... But our first stop will be a cliff.". SRS found out and followed me around downvoting me. They also doxxed me, found out where I worked, and tried to get me fired... All because I made a stupid comment which I don't think any reasonable person would associate with being serious.

This went on for months before I deleted my account, and it caused me a lot of stress. If that's not the definition of harassment I don't know what is.

[–]Stupid_Moogle 43ポイント44ポイント  (10子コメント)

You should notify the admins of this immediately. Doxxing is harassment and can have serious repercussions on the people it affects, and I'm sure the admins take it pretty seriously.

[–]ASTRAL_LIZARD 67ポイント68ポイント  (6子コメント)

SRS has two different ex-admins as moderators, there is a 0% chance that particular subreddit will be disciplined.

Reddit admins are fine with harassment as long as you don't call the people you're harassing fat.

[–]NikoMyshkin 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

this does, sadly, appear to be true

[–]shaggy1265 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Reddit admins are fine with harassment as long as you don't call the people you're harassing fat.

Then why have /r/fatlogic and /r/fatpeoplestories been allowed to stay with no threats of being banned?

[–]ASTRAL_LIZARD 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Neither of those subreddits harass people.

Subreddits that harass people directly include SRS, SRD, TumblrInAction, JustNeckBeardThings, FPH etc.

FatPeopleHate harassed imgur staff directly, they got banned.

The subs above harass other communities directly, and are allowed.

Why?

[–]robotortoise -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Subreddits that harass people directly include SRS, SRD, TumblrInAction, JustNeckBeardThings, FPH etc.

I dunno about the other ones, but SRD's goal isn't to harass. It links to users, but it bans anyone who comments and uses np links. If that's intent to harass, well, the word has been butchered.

[–]DeadlyPear 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They mostly stay within their subreddit from what I've seen.

[–]BeardMilk 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

They do those actions off of Reddit where they can't be tracked.

[–]DistortedLines 58ポイント59ポイント  (4子コメント)

/u/spez please answer that, and while you're at it why are /r/subredditdrama and /r/bestof allowed to stay when it is obvious how much they brigade? Or is it okay because these don't alienate companies who wanna put ads on the website?

[–]shaggy1265 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just curious, what is your definition of brigading? Because it sounds like you think simply posting a link to a thread is considered brigading (which is isn't).

I am banned from SRD because I commented in a linked thread. They've got rules in place that they enforce to prevent brigading.

[–]ONLY_COMMENTS_ON_GW 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not just posting links to threads, it's the downvote party and typical harassment that comes after. If you want proof just scroll up to /u/dowhatuwant2's comment

[–]vereonix 53ポイント54ポイント  (12子コメント)

Admins n' such always avoid discussing and dealing with SRS, there must be some reason, but I can't figure out what.

Great comment btw, they can't ignore all this blatant brigading, but I'm sure they will, as they have for years.

[–]MAJORPOOPY 29ポイント30ポイント  (3子コメント)

Seriously. I've seen dozens of questions in these admin threads the last few weeks and they NEVER get touched by the admins. It just reinforces people's suspicions that SRS has some sort of admin support.

[–]exoendo 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

because every click baity offendo-blog on the internet will talk about how reddit banned the "only sub that criticizes racism" or something like that.

[–]vereonix 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Criticizing racism while being racist to white people, hating men, and oblivious to satir, jokes, and context. As well as disregarding any opinion given by blacks/gays/women on topics they don't like, all while being white middle class men themselves.

Wonderful.

[–]A_Mouse_In_Da_House 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a bit to do with money. I worked very shortly with an ad agency. You wouldn't believe the hoops I was told to jump through for the SJWs so that they'd buy our products.

Typically they are: White, College Educated, Moderately wealthy Women. They are avid social media users. They will buy any product even remotely relating to their personal views. They will promote this products via social media, and in turn their followers will purchase the product as well.

They're pandered to because money, and the desire of money is the root of all evil.

[–]Zarokima 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

but I can't figure out what.

Isn't it obvious by how many admins become mods of SRS subs after they step down from adminning? Because Reddit is staffed by SJWs, so of course they're going let their little friends get away with breaking the rules.

Really, the lack of response even though everybody knows how toxic SRS is just shows that it is indeed Reddit-approved harassment.

[–]WillyWeStack 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because they are all a bunch of fucking nerds who couldn't get laid in a whorehouse until they got some cash in their wallet and now they have these pink haired idiots blowing their dicks to get them to do what they want.

[–]onlyblackredditor 118ポイント119ポイント  (4子コメント)

This is a really well put together post. Too bad /u/spez will ignore it.

[–]oss_spy 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I only wish that OP gave me credit for it :/

[–]EFlagS 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hope he will give a reply. He has to. I've this point made time and time against but no response at all.

[–]piss_chugger 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Be careful saying that. If he does respond, you open yourself up to what happened to this guy: http://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/3djjxw/lets_talk_content_ama/ct5skav

[–]seb6554 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

A decent solution would be to force them to submit content in the same fashion as /r/quityourbullshit. Literally forbid posting links to the reddit.com domain on SRS. From the /r/quityourbullshit sidebar:

  1. LINKS TO REDDIT ARE FORBIDDEN - ONLY SCREENSHOTS ARE ALLOWED. PERSONAL INFORMATION MUST ALWAYS BE CENSORED.

They get to "see the poop" but now it'd be very difficult to "touch" it.

[–]AirPhforce 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can use this site to see the votes of posts linked to from srs/srd and other places, and graph their score changes.

[–]uguysmakemesick 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess the way I look at it is like this: if they don't ban r/srs then the admins are all just talking out their asses. And so far that's been the case. So fuck them.

[–]IS_REALLY_OFFENSIVE 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It should be noted that I'm not defending /r/ShitRedditSays. If there is evidence of them brigading other subreddits, they need to be banned. However, we shouldn't just focus on them. There are bunch of subreddits that have committed the same crime and if one gets banned for brigading, the rest should suffer the same fate.

There is also evidence that /r/TheRedPill has been brigading.

Do they get banned as well?

EDIT: More evidence about some other subreddits...

r/hailcorporate

User in /r/conspiracy suggest they brigade /r/videos. Post gets deleted but it managed to get to +41 very quickly.

Here we see /u/liberare admitting that /r/libertarian is brigading /r/politics

Here is evidence that /r/Kotakuinaction brigaded /r/anarchism.

[–]BtmnDetroitDeserves 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

In any debate, the first step has to be to define your terms. What constitutes brigading? Because I have definitely seen something on r/bestof, looked at it, and upvoted it because I personally agreed that it was a good post. I've also seen things linked to in SRD that I downvoted for my own personal reasons. Nobody ever told me to go out and vote as a unified ideological vote brigade. In part because, other than seeing the linked post, I don't really interact with either of those communities in any meaningful way.

What I'm getting at is: if it's just a group of people who agree with each other and say "Hey, look at this stupid thing" and then downvote it without any organized effort to downvote it en masse, then is that really brigading?

[–]itisnotatumah 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They really need to stop dodging this question if they want to have any credibility.

[–]robotortoise 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You...you know you contradicted yourself, right?

The drilldown was bugged.

And none of your points are, ya know, RECENT.

I don't like SRS, but I don't think they're this evil cabal everyone makes them out to be. They don't do shit anymore.

Did they used to be brigading assholes? Yeah. Are they still? Eh....I challenge someone to find any proof that's less than a month old.

[–]Delinquent_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How the fuck is this ok, something that has been happening for quite a while but, the second FPH apparently doxxes some fatties at IMGUR, it's taken down. If you're going to cut the cancer away, you can't just remove a little of it. You must remove it all u/Spez

[–]EhStonedTurtle 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, good luck having the admins address this.

SRS brigading seems to be 10x worse than FPH was.

[–]spacehogg 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you are going to talk about brigading, you'll need to include when /r/KotakuInAction brigaded /r/Planetside as well.

[–]nonsense_factory 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I believe SRS feels that commenting in a linked thread is OK. My understanding of brigading has always been that voting is not OK but commenting is.

[–]thenakedbarrister 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most of the posts you linked to are old. A few are one year old, but most of them are at least two years old. How is any of this relevant now?

[–]binaryecho 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

paging /u/spez .

can you maybe address this? the evidence is pretty damning, especially in light of the guidelines you have brought up here.

[–]1amathrowaway 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're not getting an answer. It's well known that a portion of the SJW Cabal that mods SRS and default subs also works for reddit.

[–]Seraphus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great post.

No way in hell he will respond to it though.

SJWs are untouchable here regardless of what they do.

[–]JohnnySwoleCash 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

May I ask how you can see the downvotes and upvotes for the comments? I thought RES removed that feature..

[–]Ralod 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

For even more proof look at the front page of SRS right now. They are currently brigading this very post.

[–]Squishumz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Answer this, /u/spez. Or are you afraid of admiting you don't give a shit about the rules?

[–]Schrodingersdawg 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

paging /u/spez, please reply to this comment.

[–]tvrdloch 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

and 0 fuqs were given by u/spez.. its just another PR bullshit, not sincere AMA

[–]tungstan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What policy would ban SRS without banning a vast host of other subreddits?

[–]ExtremelyJaded 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

never ever do admins acknowledge SRS. it's here to stay

[–]oss_spy 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

[–]dowhatuwant2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sorry dude, you can see my quote symbols all in there and shit... they didn't apply formatting though for some reason.

[–]NekoLuna 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

/u/spez, you need to adress this, SRS is not as innocenet as you may think

[–]electricmink -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Posted like a true conspiracy theorist. SRS rules explicitly bar voting on linked content, and decrying harassment is one of the primary purposes of the sub, not perpetuating it.

[–]Bhangbhangduc -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I dunno, how could a post calling rape less horrific that hacking possibly be considered objectionable?

Boggles the mind, doesn't it?

Literally those three posts were defending rape, and you think them being downvoted is an example of brigading?

[–]TitoTheMidget -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This whole post should just be x-posted to /r/SRSMythos

[–]Frostav -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

[–]oss_spy 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

/r/ignoringevidencethatstaresinyourface

[–]Frostav 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

lmao do you think I actually give a shit about your """""""""""""statistics"""""""""""""

[–]oss_spy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You don't care about information that shows the facts of the world?

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