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[–]Idrewablueduck 41ポイント42ポイント43ポイント 41分 前* (17子コメント)
Hi /u/davidreiss666,
I'm a military veteran of the Iraq war. I deployed to a combat zone with a diverse group of people. Some of those people didn't share the same skin color as me or the same cultural heritage. They were great people and I would have given my life for any one of them (even though some of them I didn't agree with all the time)
I also support the subreddit /r/KotakuInAction
I support it because it's a place aimed at keeping journalists ethical. You should rethink this prepared post that you've just given to everyone and including KiA in the list of subreddits you think are racist and vitriolic. And while I don't support racism in any way or sexism and I am for the equal treatment of all, I also cannot support you claiming that we should simply eradicate all the things we disagree with when it comes to speech because I've seen first hand what happens when people try and exercise their right to speak their minds in a country run by theocratic dictators; they cut off their hands and rape their women.
Just because you don't like something that conflicts with your world view doesn't justify removing those places' ability to exercise speech. I see you've linked a url to an XKCD comic about free speech and government. I like XKCD. They put out some really great stuff. But they're wrong in this instance. Censorship doesn't cease to be censorship if it's a private citizen doing it. We tell governments that they don't have the right to censor most things because we have natural rights to speech and generally governments are institutions with the largest amount of force able to affect speech at any given time. I doubt you're an ignorant person and actually judging by your post you're quite well articulated. So maybe you just haven't thought about it much.
Reddit is a private company, however, and at the end of the day they're free to do what they'd like. Of course I'm free to go somewhere else if I don't agree with what they're doing. But I like reddit. I like that it once stood for a place that understood the concept that to be considered a place that stands for open discussion sometimes we have to voluntarily expose ourselves to criticism and speech we don't agree with. That's a core foundation to and the first codified right of our country. It's what separates us as a society from countries like Saudi Arabia and Egypt where they jail journalists and bloggers for expressing dissenting opinions. We don't get to choose the dissenting opinions we like to hear. It's either all or none. That's what free speech is all about. It's up to me and you and everyone else to muster up compelling and well sourced arguments based in hard sciences to combat those speech that we know are wrong. That's the mark that makes us different from groups like ISIS. And if a private company doesn't uphold that ideal then why should a government.
You're a smart person and I'm sure you have the best interests of reddit at heart. But don't confuse good intentions with terrible implementations. You and I can come together and publicly criticize places like /r/CoonTown because that's what intellectually honest and strong people do. What we don't do is stomp our foots down and simply declare things to be a way because that's what makes us feel good. Five year olds do that. Not adults.
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Edit: removed an apostrophe
[+]davidreiss666 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-42ポイント-41ポイント-40ポイント 32分 前 (11子コメント)
Don't bullshit me. The ethics in journalism line is total fucking bullshit of the highest order. It's a lie you guy's KNOW is a lie but say it anyway. That subreddit lacks all ethics.
What is /r/KotakuInAction about:
See this comment by /u/str1cken. It will tell you want that subreddit is about. I'll cut and paste the comment here.
>I haven't seen any personally "nasty stuff" about Pao
>Nothing based upon her Gender or Ethnicity/Race.
Hey there!
I was curious about this myself, so I did a little bit of research.
Right now 16 of the top 20 posts of all time in KiA are about Ellen Pao directly (the post includes her name in the title) or indirectly (either about policies she has made or holding her responsible for things happening on reddit).
Weird, right? This sub is 10 months old but 80% of the top-upvoted posts in the subreddit are about Ellen Pao. Huh.
I know, I know : It's actually about ethics in games journalism.
Here are some choice net-positive-vote-total comments from just the top 5 Pao-related posts on KiA:
"Arrogant bitch defines Ellen Pao quite well." [+222]
"ekjp... ellen kj pao... Ellen Kim Jong Pao?" [+93]
"YOU'VE BEEN BANNED FROM /R/PAOYONGYANG[1] FOR THE FOLLOWING REASON: FAILED TO CREATE A SAFE SPACE FOR DIVERSE PEOPLES, TRIGGERING CONTENT. 찬양 영광스러운 친애하는 지도자 엘렌 파오" [+66]
"the vile and corrupt slime that is Chairman Pao" [+61]
"I feel personally attacked by this bitch. In our culture, we disembowel poeple like her, stuff her with lemon grass and roast her on a fire pit." [+56]
"She's an utter cunt, to the fullest effect. I'd call her an asshole to counterweight the supposed implication of sexism, and maximize impact, but I think people now know she is indeed a cunt." [+34]
"Even on females, the genitals can be a pretty useful target." Username EllenPaosSidewaysVag responds : "I'm counting on that." [+27]
"Pao Zedong is crazy." [+23]
"We should send this bitch to North Korea and then see how much she likes censorship." [+20]
"All hail our glorious leader, Chairman Pao! May she forever reign from her seat in Paoyang!" [+16]
"She's the kind of cunt who screams for a lawsuit when she doesn't get her way." [+10]
"Worst blow job i ever got in my life was from that skank." [+9]
(Regarding Ellen Pao's lawsuit:) "kung pao suey" [+5]
"Fuck you, Ellen Pao." [+3]
"fuck this asian cunt" [+3]
"ellen pao is a cunt." [+3]
"If anyone deserves a cunt-punt ... fucking pathetic bag of stupid." [+2]
So let's put that one to bed : Plenty of KiA users have said and upvoted "nasty stuff" about /u/ekjp and there's definitely more than "nothing based upon her Gender or Ethnicity/Race."
[–]666f726573746c 15ポイント16ポイント17ポイント 24分 前* (2子コメント)
Moderator of over 140+ subreddits Over 2,000,000 Link Karma
Moderator of over 140+ subreddits
Over 2,000,000 Link Karma
And then you post shit like this. Dude. It's a website. Sorry you don't agree with what's posted on the Sub, but its hardly as bad as you're painting it. I highly suggest you take a break and just filter it out if it offends you that badly and just let it go. It's really troubling that you're acting like this towards a Subreddit that isn't even close to being the worst on the site in terms of hate. FFS it's people angry about games journalism...
Seriously though... Take a breather. It's seriously scary how active you are on this site.
Edit: Oh, I see you comment on /r/subredditdrama AKA /r/shitredditsays 2.0 now.
That explains everything.
Nothing to see here people; just a SJW angry that people don't 100% agree with them. And by the looks of their history one with a lot of time on their hands...
[–]Eustace_Savage 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 17分 前 (1子コメント)
You haven't come across this guy before? If he doesn't like you he mass-bans you from every subreddit he moderates.
[–]666f726573746c 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2分 前 (0子コメント)
That's incredibly sad... I actually feel kind of bad that a person can just waste their life away like this. Maybe it's the only form of power and control he has in his life? Either way I hope he gets help. It's not normal or healthy to spend that much time on a website like he seems to. Good God his posting history...
[–]Idrewablueduck 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 20分 前 (0子コメント)
This is a really nice straw man that you have prepared. None of this actually deals with the issue of censoring speech that you find distasteful.
I wouldn't expect you to understand from an experiential point of view the dangers of censoring speech but at least acknowledge the philosophical legitimacy of fighting distasteful speech with rational argument and logic - not sophistry.
I see you've focused on many comment links that deal with emotional remarks made by people. Many of these comments come from a parent post that deals with remarks and interviews with Mrs. Pao. Ad hominems are tools for small minded people not interested in debate. They're an unfortunate side effect of being able to have open debate. The adult thing to do is simply ignore them.
It is undeniable that the stated goal of KiA is to seek out and criticize unethical journalism. Attempting to deny that goal by strawmanning the argument with the content contained within posts about journalist and journalism is a mark of a poor debater.
Again, you can't be a place that encourages open debate by setting limits on the topics up for debate.
[–]dsiOneBAN2 15ポイント16ポイント17ポイント 25分 前 (0子コメント)
Don't take my word for it, go read about her case against Kleiner-Perkins
Have you actually done this? She did terrible shit there, including dragging down other women while trying to barge her way through.
[–]MaleGoddess 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 24分 前 (0子コメント)
most of those are playing on her name. If she was a male, they'd be calling her an asshole or a dick instead of a bitch or cunt.
KiA is about freedom of speech too, so when speech is being censored by the scapegoat CEO, yeah, it hits the front page, and then it gets even more upvoats and comments from people coming from r/all who aren't even KiA regulars.
[–]Ergheis 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 25分 前 (0子コメント)
Ahh, you know you're getting that quality discussion when the first words are "don't bullshit me."
[–]The_Derpster 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 25分 前 (0子コメント)
Ohhh no! People were upset at a woman. It must be because she has a vagina!
Yep . .That's it, all Mysoggyknees. It has absolutely nothing to do with their actions or behavior. :/
[–]megadog14 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 22分 前 (0子コメント)
I like how you grouped a veteran with racists and neo-Nazis simply because he likes ethics. Some would consider this offensive. Others might even consider it harassment.
[–]New707 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 24分 前 (0子コメント)
OH NO a popular post made at the right time hit r/all and got voted up WHAT EVER SHALL WE DO!!!!
[–]SpawnPointGuard 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 19分 前 (0子コメント)
We are about ethics, but we're about a lot more than that. The number one concern I see is censorship. GamerGate was founded on it. I wouldn't have even heard of any of this without censorship. So, when censorship was going on, our active users jumped from about 1000-1400 to about 4000-5000. That's why the Ellen Pao posts are the most popular of all time. Also, using a +3 comment that just says, "Fuck you, Ellen Pao" tells me that you don't have any ammo.
[–]richjew 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 23分 前 (1子コメント)
In b4 the tolerant liberals start dogpiling this guy.
[+]Insetick スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7ポイント-6ポイント-5ポイント 27分 前 (2子コメント)
nothing in KiA's top 25 links of all time is about ethics in gaming journalism
[–]poelol 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 14分 前 (1子コメント)
You realize that the top 25 are the ones that hit /r/all, right? So the majority of the users upvoting them were NOT from KIA.
[–]Insetick -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 8分 前 (0子コメント)
But they were the posts that got enough momentum from the users of KiA to reach /r/all. The top 25 posts of all time for /r/games are about games. The top posts for /r/fitness are about fitness. But none of the top posts for KiA are about ethics in gaming journalism.
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