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[–]davidreiss666 72ポイント73ポイント x2 (81子コメント)

The best run subreddit communities are the ones that have mod-teams that enforce the rules and don't allow any hate-speech and other bullshit.

For example, /r/Science does not allow bullshit opinions that aren't scientifically valid. Either as submissions or comments. So, they will ban you for creationism, anti-vaccine BS and climate change denial as these are all views that are backed by all the world scientific community. In short, they want everyone to know that /r/Science is scientifically accurate. The same goes for other science based communties on Reddit such as /r/AskScience and /r/Biology.

Likewise, /r/History and other history-based subredits like /r/HistoryPorn, /r/AskHistorians and /r/BadHistory don't allow history-denial. So, things like Holocaust denial, Lost Cause of the Confederacy propaganda, Ancient Aliens crap, Neo Nazis, White Supremacy and other total bullshit views will get you banned.

There is a large problem with hate-based groups that are trying to colonize (their word) Reddit in their attempt to spread their views. Hate based groups like: White Supremacists, Neo Nazis, Skinheads, Holocaust Deniers, Extreme Misogynists, Homophobes, Racists who view all Muslims as terrorists, Extreme Racists, etc. It's a large number of groups, and there is a massive amount of overlap between these subgroups.

These radical nuts run subreddits like: /r/CoonTown, r/GreatApes, /r/European, /r/Holocaust (holocaust deniers), /r/TheRedPill, /r/KotakuInAction, etc.

Right now, /r/CoonTown almost gets as much traffic as stormfront.org. And that's not including the traffic from all the other racist shithole subreddits. That spike in traffic is the Dylan Roof shooting, and the extra traffic seems to have staying power considering they picked up 4,000 subscribers in two days and another 1k at least since.

If they don't take care of it, reddit will soon have the dubious honor of being the most active white supremacist forum on the the Internet.

Hate Speech should not be a profit center for Reddit, or any other corporation. If the admins don't want to take the lead on this, then hopefully one or more media outlets will start pick up on it and force the Admins to deal with it.

Another point that largely gets ignored in this debate: Non-racists generally don't want to hang out with racists. Racist and hate-group users generally strive to drive out the non-racist users.

Everybody has a story about the racist family member that they only see once a year at some family gathering, and we all dread running into that family member. We really don't want to hang out, even for a short amount of time, with that person. Well, when it comes to family we make sacrifices, so we (1) try and only talk about the weather or sports with them and (2) are very thankful it's for only one-hour a year. But when it comes to non-family, you don't make the same allowances. We just cut those people out of our lives.

Bad users will drive out good users. And then more bad users will be attracted to this site. And it will become a bad-user reinforcement-cycle with more and more bad users driving out, they hope, all the good users. These groups even know this, and count on the non-racists leaving. It's why they use terms like Colonizing, as they are actively attempted to take the entire site over. That is their goal. They are not interested in undirected discussion with anyone. They want to control the narrative and how any discussion happens. They are actively trying to turn young people who aren't already racist bigots into more racist bigots. If you allow them to run wild, 90% of the good users will leave. And what's left will simply be a Storm Front members wet dream.

Paul Graham mentions this issue with bad users in this essay.

Other web sites like Twitter, Facebook and Google+ have taken to dealing with racist hate groups. It's high time that Reddit did the same.

I also want to address the BS that some limits on free speech are inherently bad. Because the only country that really thinks free speech means "Anything Goes, including extreme bigotry" is the United States. But other nations, such as Germany, France, the UK, Canada, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, Italy, etc. place some limits on "Free Speech" via bans on things like Holocaust denial. Now..... I'm sorry, but you can't tell me Germany or Canada is any less free than the United States. The reason the Germans don't allow open-Nazis into the political debate in their country is that they tried it once. It ended badly.

In short, you don't allow these people a foot hold because their goal is to make Reddit into a hate-propaganda site. Hopefully the admins are finally going to do something about these groups. It's high time the admins took action.

[–]cha0s 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hi,

As a mod of KotakuInAction I find it offensive and hateful for you to associate me with racism and other -isms you pulled out of your ass to slander things you don't agree with (like ethical standards, particularly in gaming journalism).

Someone who has a reputation of spamming their own subs and using their mod power to silence any criticism of that, as well as promote your own content unethically, the reasons for you trying to lump KiA in with the rest become obvious.

[–]Olive_Jane 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a reader of /r/KotakuInAction, I wanted to just say that I also believe /u/davidreiss666 is wrong in lumping that sub with racist groups/hate groups. The sub isn't like that at all.

[–]eatredditsbandwidth 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oh look, another person linking the xkcd comic that's wrong about what free speech is. I await the upvotes you're sure to get.

I also like how you put KotakuInAction as if they're anything similar to CoonTown.

[–]BenedictCumberland 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hating women is pretty similar to hating black people, friend

[–]NoFunInBand 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey! They don't hate women! Just the vast majority of the people they hate happen to be women!

[–]theone899 29ポイント30ポイント  (4子コメント)

Stop comparing KotakuInAction to hate subs. We fucking debunked this already. You had no argument whatsoever when you were called out on your bullshit.

[–]beccaface 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is quite a bit of overlap.

http://www.africanawiki.org/_blackbox/coontown/

[–]Brenbren25 25ポイント26ポイント  (2子コメント)

David you are the worst moderator I've ever had the displeasure of seeing on reddit. Why on earth where you, an American a moderator on /r/Europe? Because you crave power, the power to silence legitimate views that you disagree with.

[–]i-am-you 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He was a mod of /r/canada too before they booted him out

[–]ReducedToRubble 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

These radical nuts run subreddits like: /r/CoonTown[10] , r/GreatApes[11] , /r/European[12] , /r/Holocaust[13] (holocaust deniers), /r/TheRedPill[14] , /r/KotakuInAction[15] , etc.

I think this is exactly why people are afraid of censorship. You lumped one right-wing subreddit (KiA) and Europe (?) in with a slew of extremist subreddits, all because they happen to be of a political viewpoint that you disagree with.

While I also disagree vehemently with KiA, I think it is insane to compare them to the neo-nazis in /r/holocaust, the Klansmen in /r/coontown, or the misogynist /r/TheRedPill. For fucks sake the most prominent GamerGate "leaders" are two jewish women and a gay dude. They're unquestionably right leaning and by no means centrist, but that doesn't make them extremist nor worthy of banning.

[–]diversity_is_racism[🍰] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Likewise, /r/History and other history-based subredits like /r/HistoryPorn, /r/AskHistorians and /r/BadHistory don't allow history-denial. So, things like Holocaust denial, Lost Cause of the Confederacy propaganda, Ancient Aliens crap, Neo Nazis, White Supremacy and other total bullshit views will get you banned.

Banning viewpoints seems to me totalitarian; requesting that they be in polite form and sourced seems rational, as you would do with any other viewpoint.

[–]DoctorWaluigiTime 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

When one tries to represent something, such as science or history, accurately, it's okay to shunt away things that are scientifically/historically inaccurate. It's not totalitarian to require, say, sources for your view, and not just allow another platform to say whatever you want off of.

[–]longooglite 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

totalitarian

not being allowed to shout Holocaust denying shit on /r/AskHistorians

okay

[–]RodrigoPer 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

You despise free speech. You despise any worldview different to your own. Everyone has seen your mod sub comments.

Bruh if ur fav fruit was a banana you'd censor mentions of apples if u could.

[–]jackp0t08 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah this post is cancerous. Basically saying Reddit shouldn't be free speech, it should be an echo chamber that reflects his views.

[–]johker216 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You realize that Reddit's remedy for banning users is to have them create their own sub, right? Subs are free to ban ideas, but that leads to other subs getting created; this seems like the ideal situation. Changing the process and allowing Reddit to choose the type of speech instead of communities is dangerous to "open" and "honest" discussion.

[–]Arathian 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That comes from a guy who has been kicked from multiple communities for enforcing his personal viewpoint in his moderation...

edit:

kotakuinaction

Fuck off.

[–]TIL_I_Am_Hitler 25ポイント26ポイント  (21子コメント)

How is KiA a racist subreddit? Are you kidding me?

[–]CallMeBigPapaya 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

They call KiA racist because their extreme "inter-sectional" ideology. Also because "sexism" is a word people don't really care about anymore and "misogyny" is a word they use incorrectly instead, but it has been so misused that people are starting to ignore it too.

[–]KRosen333 18ポイント19ポイント  (17子コメント)

It's not.

These radical nuts run subreddits like: /r/CoonTown, r/GreatApes, /r/European, /r/Holocaust (holocaust deniers), /r/TheRedPill, /r/KotakuInAction, etc.

Two of those are not like the others.

[–]FG_SF 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah whoa lol why is RedPill being lumped in with CoonTown & Holocaust? That seems insane. I think RP gets pretty insane, and it's a very different place than it could have been, but piling it in with those others is just ludicrous.

[–]Anarchist_Aesthete 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's talking about bigotry, including sexism, which is definitely found in TRP.

[–]only_your_enemy 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

The SJW fuckheads like /u/davidreiss666 smell blood in the water and are taking the opportunity to lump KiA and TRP in with the mix. Really underhanded, but completely in line with their behavior.

[–]Siliva 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

But it's a cave of Extreme Misogyny©.

[–]breakwater 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because reasons.

[–]BoxworthNCSU 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Waiting for any evidence you have that KIA is hateful... But since you don't have it, nor does anyone else, I'll move on.

[–]Im_a_wet_towel 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

These radical nuts run subreddits like: /r/CoonTown, r/GreatApes, /r/European, /r/Holocaust (holocaust deniers), /r/TheRedPill, /r/KotakuInAction, etc.

Do you have any specific examples? I mean, a lot (if not most) are pretty bad subs, but are we just listing things with no sources?

[–]Braver_Incident 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Spreading their views? I've been on reddit for over a year and the only time I actually got confronted by cold hard racists was when I went to /r/anarcho_capitalism to argue about socialism.

This doesn't affect 99% of redditors

[–]aaarrrggh 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

KotakuInAction absolutely does not belong on that list.

[–]FlamingBearAttack 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh yes, it absolutely does.

[–]aaarrrggh 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're saying that a community dedicated to highlighting the (very considerable) corruption in the gaming press should be considered alongside holocaust denial communities, /r/coontown and the red pill?

I'm afraid people like you are very much part of the problem.

[–]wfa19 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

KiA has not done anything near to the degree the others have. At least the subreddit officially

[–]JP_Rushton -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I also want to address the BS that some limits on free speech are inherently bad. Because the only country that really thinks free speech means "Anything Goes, including extreme bigotry" is the United States. But other nations, such as Germany, France, the UK, Canada, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, Italy, etc. place some limits on "Free Speech" via bans on things like Holocaust denial. Now..... I'm sorry, but you can't tell me Germany or Canada is any less free than the United States. The reason the Germans don't allow open-Nazis into the political debate in their country is that they tried it once. It ended badly.

The US is the only country in the Five Eyes without such "hate speech" laws. "Hate speech" is just anything I disagree with, right?

Shut down anything you don't agree with, right?

Is that stupid comic supposed to mean anything? Anything you disagree with deserves to be shit down, am I correct with that assertion?

[–]frankenmine 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How desperate must you be that you'd gild yourself and have yourself upvote-brigaded to simulate approval of a position absolutely nobody approves of.

[–]28DansLater 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

TL;DR: Ban all the subs David doesn't agree with.

[–]Cthulhumanism 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

https://xkcd.com/1357/

Obligatory.

[–]xkcd_transcriber 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Image

Title: Free Speech

Title-text: I can't remember where I heard this, but someone once said that defending a position by citing free speech is sort of the ultimate concession; you're saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that it's not literally illegal to express.

Comic Explanation

Stats: This comic has been referenced 2139 times, representing 2.9467% of referenced xkcds.

xkcd.com | xkcd sub | Problems/Bugs? | Statistics | Stop Replying | Delete

[–]CVTHIZZKID 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

There's no way you wrote that in one minute.

[–]DEATH-BY-CIRCLEJERK 38ポイント39ポイント  (2子コメント)

He had it prepared ahead of time, just like most of the other 169 parent commenters in the first 32 seconds of this post lol

[–]CVTHIZZKID -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I can imagine the karma whores just salivating and refreshing Spez's userpage over and over again, waiting for their chance to pounce.

[–]impablomations 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or maybe since this AMA was scheduled, they had their questions pre written with the thought that if they got in early then they might get answered by /u/spez. Nah, can't be that, too far fetched.

[–]amijustamoodybastard 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

This ama was scheduled he typed it up at an earlier date.

[–]JP_Rushton 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of course not. He had that set up already.

[–]NolanChancellor1488 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

You are one of the biggest idiots on this site and everyone hates you.

[–]Bilgistic -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why don't you respond to what he actually wrote?

[–]MaleGoddess 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

how is KiA a hate based group?

[–]smeezekitty -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Although subs like Science do need somewhat heavier moderation to keep the discussion serious, the strictness of policy makes the subs a pain to participate in. Some of the content they delete should be allowed

[–]1point618 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

+1

It seems that more and more "free speech" here is used to mean "letting users drive other users off the site, as long as it means that the admins can't drive anyone off".

I'd much rather that we have a rule by a conscientious minority than a tyranny of a rabid majority.

The dichotomy is not between "free speech" and "safe spaces", it's between "safe spaces for assholes and bullies" verses "safe spaces for everyone else".

Inb4: "You're just offended." I'm a white rich white dude. It's pretty much impossible to offend me. This is about wanting more different perspectives amongst the people I interact with here, and not letting a small rabid group of users run anyone who disagrees with them off.

[–]Stop--Posting -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

> Unironically using "Le Xkcd Defense"

Lol.

http://sealedabstract.com/rants/re-xkcd-1357-free-speech/

[–]wwxxwwxx -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Jesus how long did it take you to write this

[–][削除されました]  (1子コメント)

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    [–]wwxxwwxx -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I know, but this is incredibly long. I wanted to know how long it took to prewrite it

    [–]Best_Zyra_LAN -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I don't think its really fair for you to lump in KotakuInAction with those other subreddits. Whether or not you agree with the opinions of that sub, it is not nearly on the level of disgusting hate of coontown or holocaust.

    [–]New707 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Notice how he says hate speech " and other bullshit." Other bullshit defined as things that don't conform to his ideology or worldview and can be loosely defined as "shit i don't like"

    [–]DoctorFahrenheit -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    TL;DR

    I can't hide from the variety of viewpoints that exist in the world and I need reddit to be limited to the small subsection of opinions that I agree with.

    [–]The_GanjaGremlin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    GOOD GOYIM

    [–]OldCarSmell42 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    /r/KotakuInAction

    You showed too much of your agenda legbeard. You and your ilk are the cancer of this site.

    [–]FG_SF -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    /r/AskHistorians does not tolerate bad history, but they also don't tolerate coarse language & uneducated questions. It's an ivory tower atop an ivory tower, run by people with a fetish for deletion.

    [–]DrunkDeathClaw -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Please go shove a cactus up your ass.

    [–]OfficialUSA -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Lol@all the KiA defenders to your post.