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Is the TRP community becoming misogynistic? (self.PurplePillDebate)

SepeanHappily Married Man が 投稿

This is a question for those who think TRP is at its core an amoral and accurate sexual strategy: it tells the truth about female sexual strategy (which isn't always a pretty picture, but that is no more misogynistic than it is misandric to point out that most criminals are men) and teaches men how to become attractive to women.

If you're RP or BP beyond that is irrelevant, but if you believe that TRP is at its core immoral, this question isn't for you.

So TRP is amoral, but that doesn't mean the community can't become evil. Like for instance a religion that is at its core peaceful could easily have its followers develop more and more rabid ideas until it becomes some oppressive death cult.

Obviously, there are a lot of TRPers in the anger phase. That's understable, considering the deception and emotional abuse nice guys have been put through. It stings when you face up to the truth and the wasted years. You're supposed to move on from that eventually, and go enjoy your life and your time with girls rather than wallowing in misogynistic hate. Girls are what they are, grow a pair and get over it.

At least, that's the idea. But is the community moving in a direction where "we" (whatever the fuck that means) aren't getting over it? Is the TRP community becoming misogynistic as a whole? Have we stopped encouraging people to get over the anger phase and instead use rhetoric that perpetuates the rage?

Yeah, this is concern trolling; I don't see it happening right now and I hope it won't. But you know, things go bad sometimes. Movements start out with a just cause but eventually become unjust.

So, discuss.

EDIT: A few posters seem to read from this that I think TRP is misogynistic, so above I bolded my opinion on the matter. /u/B00TYMASTER put it very well: The Red Pill advocates for the acceptance of women and their true nature.

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[–]klukluxkafka 15ポイント16ポイント  (17子コメント)

Reality is misogynistic. Reality is also racist, ethnocentric, and brutal. Sorry folks.

[–]chasingstatueszion was part of the matrix 6ポイント7ポイント  (7子コメント)

What reality? Who's?

[–]Lonny_zone/( .□.)\ ︵╰(゜益゜)╯︵ /(.□. /) [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

The one we all live in. Do you live in an alternate universe where slavery and the holocaust never happened?

Also: whose*

[–]chasingstatueszion was part of the matrix [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Racism exists in reality but what do you mean it is reality?

[–]Lonny_zone/( .□.)\ ︵╰(゜益゜)╯︵ /(.□. /) [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

To clarify: racism is a part of reality.

[–]veyron3003 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

You may want to stop listening to the Jewish media and look up studies and statistics.

[–]TheHeroReditDeservesShit Poster [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Is this whats its come to?

[–]abacuz4Blue Pill Man [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Hahahahahahahahaha WTF?!?!?!?

[–]chasingstatueszion was part of the matrix [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If you want to make the claims, the burden of proof is on you.

[–]trpobserverKeepin' it theoretical 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

We should take reality to court!

[–]exit_sandmanSocial Justice War Criminal 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

But... but reality has a liberal bias...

:(

[–]klukluxkafka -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

reality has a liberal basis

Only if you approach reality with a mental handicap.

[–]luxo42Non-Red Pill 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Misogyny is an attitude. Facts can never be misogynistic by definition, because facts can't dislike anything.

[–]abacuz4Blue Pill Man 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Facts may not be misogynistic, but interpretations of the facts certainly can be.

[–]ventimus [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Ehhhhhhh. Facts can be manipulated by attitude. Let's look at a different example. Fact: XX% of XX crime is committed by black men. Then it is extrapolated that many black men are criminals. But the issue is more complex than this, it depends on the current laws in place, and how they affect different population demographics. This is where you can get into institutional racism, etc. My point is that while facts "can't dislike anything," the groundwork behind a societal problem can set the facts up to prove whatever attitude you wish.

[–]luxo42Non-Red Pill [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

By saying reality is racist or misogynistic, he implies that the only correct interpretation or response to a factual statement is the racist or misogynistic one.

I am saying that the racism or misogyny lies only in the interpretation, intentions, or suggested attitude of the speaker, not the factual statement itself.

As long as we can both interpret a factual statement in a non-misogynistic way and also be correct, then the factual statement itself can't be misogynistic.

[–]veyron3003 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

When 12.5% of the population does nearly 50% of the crime, it is not racist to avoid blacks as they have a higher tendency than any other race to commit a crime. I bet if there was a heart monitor stuck to your chest, your heard would beat faster in a ghetto than in the country side.

[–]am_thro_way 9ポイント10ポイント  (10子コメント)

Becoming? I thought TRP was openly and proudly misogynistic.

[–]CyraleaRedPill EC 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

Sexist. The word you're looking for is sexist.

[–]am_thro_way 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Why not both?

[–]CyraleaRedPill EC 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Because one is true, and the other isn't. Look up the definitions.

[–]am_thro_way -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

sexism: The belief that people of one sex or gender are inherently superior to people of the other sex or gender.

misogyny: Hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against women.

I would say both are prevalent (though the latter somewhat less so) in TRP. If you disagree, you can take it up with your fellow EC.

[–]nomdplumeRed Pill Lone Wolf [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Because one prominent TRPer identifies as a "total misogynist", that must mean that TRP is inherently misogynistic?

Look, I have no doubt that there are many people who belong to conservative political parties who are racist, but that doesn't mean that I think that conservative political parties are inherently racist and that their members are, too.

[–]CyraleaRedPill EC 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

While I'm normally of one mind with Arch, I disagree on the misogyny front.

[–]thefisherman1961Red Pill Man 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

You either don't know what TRP is about or you don't know what the word "misogynist" means.

[–]SepeanHappily Married Man[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh no, you ruined my argument.

[–]veyron3003 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Dont look at the food and assume you hate it. Try it first.

[–]Areimanes 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

Treating women like you would treat men (i.e. without special preference) is already seen as sexist.

Source: Men who treat women the same as they treat other men, without benevolent sexism/female privilege, are seen as overwhelmingly sexist by both men and women.

The threshold to be labeled sexist/misogynistic is already so low thanks to feminism and the Women Are Wonderfull Effect, that these terms no longer hold any value to me.

[–]vandaalen 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sexist != misogynist.

I am a sexist. I believe that men and women are born inherently different. However I do not hate women because they are different, what would make me a misogynist.

[–]drok007Anti-Blue Pill 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually as of 2012 it does mean pretty much the same thing due to the idiots over in the New Zealand/Australia area.

[–]HighResolutionSleepCATS DONT KNOW WHAT ITS GONNA BE, FUKKEN WIT A NIGGA LIKE ME [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Has this study been reproduced or studied further? I can only take one study done once so seriously.

Don't get me wrong, the findings are what I would personally expect to see, but I have certain standards of evidence compelling me to see more.

[–]ReddishBlack 8ポイント9ポイント  (25子コメント)

Misogyny is a silly word made by weak people to try and martyrdize the mundane human experience of people disliking you for your shitty behavior.

Talking with the words of the weak gives them legitimacy, if you wish to strive for weakness and victimhood, go ahead and speak their language.

[–]chasingstatueszion was part of the matrix 5ポイント6ポイント  (23子コメント)

the mundane human experience of people disliking you for your shitty behavior.

It's more like people disliking you for the shitty behavior of someone else entirely, someone whom you happen to share some physical characteristic with. Misogynists dislike and assume things about women they've never met or hardly know. Hasty generalizations and all that jazz.

[–]Sacred_Moose_Knuckle 1ポイント2ポイント  (22子コメント)

It's more like people disliking you for the shitty behavior of someone else entirely, someone whom you happen to share some physical characteristic with.

One of the best descriptions of feminism I've ever read.

[–]chasingstatueszion was part of the matrix 1ポイント2ポイント  (21子コメント)

So you react by doing the same thing? Their shitty behavior is an excuse for yours? You actually want to copy the actions of feminists?

[–]Sacred_Moose_Knuckle 2ポイント3ポイント  (20子コメント)

Not at all, I reject your characterization of TRP entirely.

[–]chasingstatueszion was part of the matrix -2ポイント-1ポイント  (19子コメント)

Lol, what characterization?

[–]Sacred_Moose_Knuckle 2ポイント3ポイント  (18子コメント)

It's more like people disliking you for the shitty behavior of someone else entirely, someone whom you happen to share some physical characteristic with. Misogynists dislike and assume things about women they've never met or hardly know.

This characterization. Although you tried to apply it to TRP, it doesn't work, and is an interesting piece of projection, as it perfectly describes feminism/TBP.

[–]chasingstatueszion was part of the matrix -2ポイント-1ポイント  (17子コメント)

We were characterizing misogyny, not TRP. But do you disagree that TRP groups people together based on physical characteristics (like individuals with pussies) and characterizes said group based on their experiences with and opinions about some members of those groups (and I say some because obviously you haven't personally met all women)?

[–]TheJollySatandropping truth bombs since 84 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

groups people together based on physical characteristics (like individuals with pussies)

We group people together based on physical and behavioral characteristics.

Firstly it's pointless to go ahah i got you. Read on.

There is a whole range of strategy that can be used against men for the self interests of a female, based on common male traits and we constantly admit it in TRP. We can be hamsters, we can be irrational, a different flavour of dread turn us into compliant puppies. Do i want such conversation gone? No, that would be a foolish loss of material for insight into my own genders weaknesses. Sticking my own head in the sand to the modern man's gullible pliancy when in chasing a mate is incredibly naive.

Do i feel insecure about it.

No.

As we are not made insecure by such judgement or being grouped based on physical attributes ,(if anything we take advantage of simplistic grouping by telling guys to lift), you cannot hope to make us feel guilty for doing it to others.

This is not our standard. One of the core RP tenants is to not give a fuck a bout the judgement of others. It's a source of strength.

If you can think in this mind set you will be able to figure out why we are comfortable admitting we use generalizations. As a redpiller and a budding sociologist i can tell you they are incredibly useful as general rules. Don't make the mistake of assuming every one lacks the critical thought processes to be able to use such rules (on men or women) with tact, subtly and in way that still leaves room to learn more. TRP relies on more than just physical attributes for accurate grouping. If it were that simple there would only be one set of information with a tick box saying vagina and a 1-10 hot scale linking to RP rule xyz. Redpillers would have no hope picking LTR material from plates they would only spin. There are behavioral queues that are looked for to separate the two.

There are mannerisms, tone and body language diplomats need to pick up before becoming effective operators. These rely on common cultural traits in order to work, the semantics of a common cultural trait are running very close to a grouping based on physical and behavioral characteristics of some sort. TRP is absolutely no different from a diplomat using the same mechanisms to be more effective when meeting people in a new country.

TLDR, grouping isn't bad. It's a simple tool that gives you simplistic results. We do not ignore behavior, after initial attraction has been established, reading behavior becomes a far more important in building up and retaining attraction. Behavior is also the primary determiner separating LTRs from plates.

*grammar

[–]chasingstatueszion was part of the matrix -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Sociology is a soft science, at best. Armchair/Internet bandwagon sociology is masturbatory. TRP has little basis or backing for most of their claims about genders and "gender weaknesses." Their very specific claims about general female behavior are likely applicable to a specific type of women, as well as projected opinions about said women. But as they haven't actually conducted any objective, randomly and widely sampled, unbiased studies to prove this theory, it's all ideology.

And to me, "man" by itself doesn't automatically mean anything except human with penis. It takes more than just that for me to start stereotyping. Take away a couple of his teeth, give him a mullet, put him in front of a trailer with a confederate flag hanging off of it and then I'll be making some generalizations. Put a business suit on him and give him a brief case, I'll make some generalizations. Give him a sheer top and skin-tight metallic pants and platform boots and make-up and a feather boa and I'll make some generalizations. But if you're just trying to describe Man with no context or origin or culture or anything, you're guess is as good as anyone's.

[–]probably_quite_drunk 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

But do you disagree that TRP groups people together based on physical characteristics (like individuals with pussies) and characterizes said group based on their experiences with and opinions about some members of those groups (and I say some because obviously you haven't personally met all women)?

Would you disagree that BP does this to TRP?

[–]chasingstatueszion was part of the matrix 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

You actually group yourself together around a philosophy that you literally subscribe to.

[–]nomdplumeRed Pill Lone Wolf 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is doing the same thing with all humans (a group characterized by the physical) then misanthropic?

[–]Lonny_zone/( .□.)\ ︵╰(゜益゜)╯︵ /(.□. /) [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The funny thing is that feminists want to attach gender to hatred, but they don't want to attach gender to sex.

[–]B00TYMASTERRed Pill Man 2ポイント3ポイント  (26子コメント)

I think you are misunderstood in regards to the definition of misogyny.

Misogyny is the Hatred of women.

Does the Red Pill community Hate women? No.

Hitler hated the Jews. That is hate, and those are feeling we don't share or promote over at TRP at all.

I'll be honest upon first swallowing the pill I became very resentful towards women and even hated them. That all came from within me, though. I felt betrayed and angry at women. Time healed that wound and TRP helped me overcome those feelings my promoting the betterment of myself, first and foremost. TRP also gave me better insight of women to better understand them for who they are and that greatly aided in overcoming those feelings. TRP doesn't preach or advocate for hate, TRP states what they believe is the truth and as of now nothing has proven TRP wrong or has proven itself as more effective than TRP.

The Red Pill advocates for the acceptance of women and their true nature.

[–]Cbus_anonymous 1ポイント2ポイント  (25子コメント)

Misogyny is more than hatred of women.

misogyny [mi-soj-uh-nee, mahy-] Spell Syllables Examples Word Origin noun 1. hatred, dislike, or mistrust of women, or prejudice against women.

[–]Lonny_zone/( .□.)\ ︵╰(゜益゜)╯︵ /(.□. /) [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

A very recent modification of the definition by feminists so that they can call anything misogynistic. Many online dictionaries failed to append misandry in the same way.

[–]Cbus_anonymous [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Or not at all? Either way. The stance engenders hatred.

[–]B00TYMASTERRed Pill Man [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

So to mistrust someone is to hate them? To dislike someone is to hate them?

[–]Cbus_anonymous [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

That's correct. Here's the definition of hate, because this seems confusing to you:

hate [heyt] Spell Syllables Synonyms Examples Word Origin

verb (used with object), hated, hating.

  1. to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest: to hate the enemy; to hate bigotry.

  2. to be unwilling; dislike: I hate to do it.

verb (used without object), hated, hating.

  1. to feel intense dislike, or extreme aversion or hostility.

noun

  1. intense dislike; extreme aversion or hostility.

  2. the object of extreme aversion or hostility.

adjective

  1. noting or relating to acts that are motivated by hatred, prejudice, or intolerance: a hate crime; hate mail.

Verb phrases

  1. hate on, Informal. to show hate toward, criticize, or belittle, usually unfairly: Don't hate on him just because he wins all the time.

[–]B00TYMASTERRed Pill Man [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

mis·trust misˈtrəst verb 1. be suspicious of; have no confidence in.

noun 1. lack of trust: suspicion.

dis·like disˈlīk verb 1. feel distaste for or hostility toward.

noun 1. a feeling of distaste or hostility.

[–]Cbus_anonymous [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Uh huh. You're just disproving yourself here, and I doubt your point was to take responsibility for your own mistakes.

[–]Lonny_zone/( .□.)\ ︵╰(゜益゜)╯︵ /(.□. /) [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I don't understand.

Or not at all?

What are you talking about?

[–]Cbus_anonymous [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It has no connection with feminism whatsoever. It's intrinsic to the word hate.

That's correct. Here's the definition of hate, because this seems confusing to you:

hate [heyt] Spell Syllables Synonyms Examples Word Origin

verb (used with object), hated, hating.

  1. to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest: to hate the enemy; to hate bigotry.

  2. to be unwilling; dislike: I hate to do it.

verb (used without object), hated, hating.

  1. to feel intense dislike, or extreme aversion or hostility.

noun

  1. intense dislike; extreme aversion or hostility.

  2. the object of extreme aversion or hostility.

adjective

  1. noting or relating to acts that are motivated by hatred, prejudice, or intolerance: a hate crime; hate mail.

Verb phrases

  1. hate on, Informal. to show hate toward, criticize, or belittle, usually unfairly: Don't hate on him just because he wins all the time.

[–]B00TYMASTERRed Pill Man 0ポイント1ポイント  (16子コメント)

Ok. Nothing changes even with this definition. We accept women and their nature for who they truly are and aim to better ourselves for ourselves and partially in part to appeal to the feminine nature in more quantity.

[–]Cbus_anonymous 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

Except for all the things? It's a definition that aptly describes trp treatment, and you can no longer weasel away from it on a semantic basis.

[–]B00TYMASTERRed Pill Man [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

The only thing I can somewhat see fitting is the "mistrust" part. And you know what? We should feel as if our trust was betrayed, and we should be cautious. We have found out that we are puppets of modern society's feminine imperative. This society is literally set out to deceive us. Does that at its core make us misogynists? No... unless you judge human nature and everything that goes on this world by text book definitions and online dictionaries.

The textbook/online definition and LAW of rape in many countries defines rape as "penetration." Does this mean that a man cannot be raped unless he is physically penetrated? No. But that's what the law states.

Back to my point is that although mistrust is used in some definitions, that in itself is not enough to make us misogynists. The same way women make blanket statements saying "all guys cheat" "all guys are assholes" or the girlfriend/wife that searched through her mans phone because she doesn't trust (Mistrust) that he's faithful is not a misandrist. Just because she did what the dictionary definition would describe as misandry doesn't make her a misandrist.

This same concept applies for many forms of discrimination, you often see on the news a celebrity or politician slips up and says something politically incorrect or in privacy that may not necessarily be too bad in nature, but the media blows it and from there on out they are labeled "racist" or "sexist" or "ageist" the list goes on, but just because they slipped up doesn't mean their true nature is one of a "racist" or "sexist" or "ageist" etc. Additionally, in recent news regarding the confederate flag. Just because someone supports it or uses it doesn't make them a racist, just like if someone supports and is active on TRP they aren't misogynistic.

Back the the Red Pill. Many men in the anger phase come across as a little off color because they are angry and they have every right to be, we've been betrayed. Feminists are angry and say and do awful things often but no one gives shit or labels them misandrist.

I can guarantee that you can go to TRP sub right now and you won't see a respectable women who didn't do something wrong get shit on. When a woman does something we perceive as wrong and hurts or affects a fellow man or especially a fellow TRPer, we will take his side and some less than respectful comments might be made to support our brethren but we aren't misogynistic for that, just like how when a man hurts as woman's feelings she'll cry about it to her friend group and to cheer her up and support her they will trash talk the man whether he was in the right or the wrong. TRP differs from that dynamic in that instead of just offering support and words of kindness or trash talk the other person, we offer advice for the person in need can better themselves, we don't like to sulk in the negativity like the KKK does with regards to racism, we like to prevent the situation from happening again and avoid being hurt or hurting others, then we support the process of betterment even if it appears harsh to the outsider. It's tough love in a way. A misogynist would sulk in the anger and blame women for everything and use hate to fuel themselves. At TRP we can blame ourselves for our mistakes and then work to fix them to prevent it from becoming an issue again we use bettering ourselves mentally and physically and the improvements we make as fuel for us.

Slut-shaming occurs EVERYWHERE so you can't blame TRP for that. Plate spinning advocates that it should not be a secret and that your "plates" should be aware that it is not monogamous, so that's not misogyny. Anywhere you go there will be multiple sides to an idea and both sides usually don't speak highly of each other, that doesn't necessarily make anyone "racist" "sexist" etc.

TRP is not a misogynist community by any stretch.

[–]Cbus_anonymous [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Quick question, do you honestly believe what you're saying here? Are you capable of seeing that trp fosters paranoia and delusions? For example, most people don't actually give a shit if you live or die. You could be in a room, and their eyes could see the whole room, and they won't even notice your presence. Most people are focused entirely on what will further their own lives; you aren't now, nor were you ever, "puppets of modern society's feminine imperative. This society is literally set out to deceive us." Fair warning: if you came into the local psych hospital spouting this shit, you'd be correctly assumed to be having a psychotic break. These sorts of delusions of persecution and grandeur are associated with fairly serious mental disease. The arbitrary and disorganized speech doesn't help either.

Arguing that all women are Machiavellian and hypergamous (words that, surprise!, the red pill doesn't seem to understand...along with rape law, nice, solipsism, genes, evolution, science, fact, intelligence, logic, etc.) because of their genes is prejudicial, distrustful, and hateful, in other words, the full meaning of misogynistic. Disavowing responsibility for this doesn't make you seem like more of a man, fyi.

And, um, yeah, I have looked in the red pill, and it's filled with the same psychosis I mentioned before. "A woman was driving next to me on the expressway, but she didn't pull off and ask for my number. What kind of shit test is that? Totally hypergamous and Machiavellian, obviously, but I want to dominate her next time, so what should I have done?"

[–]nomdplumeRed Pill Lone Wolf [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Arguing that all women are Machiavellian and hypergamous is prejudicial, distrustful, and hateful

Wait, how is arguing that all women are Machiavellian and hypergamous hateful? Prejudiced I get (everyone is prejudicial by nature. APALT). Distrustful is questionable - if I trust that humans are going to human (such as the fact that I 100% trust that people will be prejudicial, even the ones who vehemently claim not to be), am I truly being distrustful? I trust humans to act like humans most of the time. I trust men to act like men, and women to act like women.

There is nothing "wrong" with being Machiavellian and hypergamous. In fact, it makes a lot of sense in a lot of situations. It's in that individuals best interest to be that way, that's why they are that way most of the time. Women have to survive without having the benefit of physical dominance and the ability to use force. So they have to find other tools to use. Why wouldn't they?

Can humans act otherwise and even against their natures? Sure. But I don't presume that they will - that would be naive of me and totally unfair to them.

Nothing pisses me off more than people who misplace their trust in me. People want to see others as more than they are, but that is a totally self-centered and unreasonable expectation. An expectation that I never want placed on me, so I try to return the favor as much as I possibly can.

[–]B00TYMASTERRed Pill Man [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I trust men to act like men, and women to act like women.

Be careful there. You'll be called "sexist" for saying even that.

What you meant to say is "I trust humans to act as humans taking into account whatever they identify as whether that be Oak Tree, Cupholder, Demisexual panhellenic office stapler, cis-monster truck, or a ManBearPig ... or a WomanBearPig ... or a DemisexualOfficeStaplerManBearPig... etc. (it goes on forever)."

[–]nomdplumeRed Pill Lone Wolf [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What you meant to say is "I trust humans to act as humans taking into account whatever they identify as whether that be Oak Tree, Cupholder, Demisexual panhellenic office stapler, cis-monster truck, or a ManBearPig ... or a WomanBearPig ... or a DemisexualOfficeStaplerManBearPig... etc. (it goes on forever)."

True, lol.

[–]Cbus_anonymous [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

hate [heyt] Spell Syllables Synonyms Examples Word Origin

verb (used with object), hated, hating.

  1. to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest: to hate the enemy; to hate bigotry.

  2. to be unwilling; dislike: I hate to do it.

verb (used without object), hated, hating.

  1. to feel intense dislike, or extreme aversion or hostility.

noun

  1. intense dislike; extreme aversion or hostility.

  2. the object of extreme aversion or hostility.

adjective

  1. noting or relating to acts that are motivated by hatred, prejudice, or intolerance: a hate crime; hate mail.

Verb phrases

  1. hate on, Informal. to show hate toward, criticize, or belittle, usually unfairly: Don't hate on him just because he wins all the time.

[–]B00TYMASTERRed Pill Man [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Listen to any song or watch any movie or show and you'll see how society is controlled by the feminine imperative for over 50 years. You'll see that women plead for their prince charming, obsessed with her, adores her, give in to her every wish and command and how that's sought after. No enter reality and recognize that's not what women want. Women want an alpha fucks male who has his priorities straight, not some beta bucks provider. Go to /r/relationships and you'll see instantly the AF/BB dynamic. This isn't delusion. This is reality. If it wasn't TRP community would have a much smaller community and TBP would offer an actual argument or something to the table rather then mock TRP without merit. I've been on both sides of the pill. As a beta male I got friendzoned "LJBF", cheated on, dumped, walked over and since swallowing the pill my life has made a 180 degree turn. That doesn't happen if something doesn't work. TRP wouldn't be so popular if it was misogynist bull shit.

I understand that for most people I'm not shit, nor are you. But we better ourselves, for ourselves, and those we surround ourselves with. I don't care what Steve or Amanda sitting across the conference room think of me. But I better myself for me and the people that do care for me and in this process I garner much more attention as well.

Your response offered no rebuttal to any of my arguments or points other than calling me psychotic, delusional, you changed the subject, and you used big words you think you know the meaning of. You literally didn't say one thing to refute anything that I said. I don't know how can standby your belief with such conviction but can't argue or offer any decent points to prove it superior or prove TRP wrong. You are a victim to the parasite that is the feminine imperative and it's a shame you can't see it happening to you. Evaluate your life and dig deep and see how you are benefitted from this lifestyle.

Edit: Whoops just realized I've been presenting my (more than valid) points to a woman. There is no changing your view as if you were a beta male. You promote the feminine imperative and I've basically been wasting my time trying to share TRPs philosophy to a brick wall only to get general and unsubstantiated statements back. You've never experienced what it's like to be a male in today's society, let a lone a beta male who's been walked over his whole life so I don't expect you to understand. Good day.

[–]Cbus_anonymous [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Listen to any song or watch any movie or show and you'll see how society is controlled by the feminine imperative for over 50 years.

This is true, provided you eliminate nearly all of songs, movies, and shows. This is the sort of delusion I was mentioning before. In order to prove your argument to yourself you simply eliminate the 98% of reality that doesn't follow what you're claiming.

Except for refuting your entire post, I didn't refute anything. Good job, you sound really...smart.

[–]B00TYMASTERRed Pill Man [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You made no refutations whatsoever. Additionally, name some songs or movies (with lyrics and words) that don't revolve around a beta male character and his "undying love" or willingness to "take a bullet" for her or walk "100000 miles for you" or "love you to the world's end" it goes on forever. Because if you deserved my time (which you don't) I would compile a list to the moon and back with titles showing this dynamic. Only difference is when a man believes all of this communicated to him through all these mediums and shapes into your average run-of-the-mill typical beta male that we see so frequently in society and expresses these ideals he gets shot down, stepped on, he's frequently unhealthy, he gets cheated, dumped, fathers kids he thinks are his that aren't etc.

[–]Cbus_anonymous [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

http://www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/2014/hot-100-songs

There are less than five songs on that list that connect to what you're saying at all, and let's be clear here, it's the definition of what's representative in American culture for last year.

Now let's look at movies:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/top/bestofrt/?year=2014

Feel free to select a different source if it's important to you. Point being, you're not going to find a list in any year that has more than 10% of the movies doing what you're describing. Reality is, it's likewise less than 5%.

And all of your "logic" is like this. You take some profoundly tiny fraction of reality and state that it's representative of all. This is a delusion.

[–]Will_Im_NotM - Bi - Here for the drama [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

We accept women and their nature for who they truly are

That's prejudice.

I also really doubt that TRP "trusts" women.

[–]B00TYMASTERRed Pill Man [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Let's take this stuff in context at least, bud.

5,000 women were surveyed across Scotland, England, Northern Ireland, and Wales. Here’s a summary of the results: –50% of women would lie to their husbands if they got pregnant by another man, having the provider hubby believe he’s the actual father. –42% of women would lie about contraception in order to get pregnant. (always use your own condoms, never raw dog a girl who claims to be on the Birth Control pill no matter how convincing she is) –96% admit to lying, cheating or stealing in some form. Ninety-fucking-six percent. –45% said they tell “little white lies” pretty much every day. –83% of women admit to telling “big, life-changing lies.” –Romantic partners are more likely to be lied to by women than their family, friends and coworkers. –57% of women admit to stealing. –38% would marry purely for money (surely while going to great lengths to convince the man of how and why he’s the love of her life). –31% of all women (and 65% of single women) would not tell future partners about contracting a venereal disease. –55% of women pretend to be sick or tired in order to avoid sex with their “significant other.” –30% of all women have had an affair with a married man. –68% of women do not trust their partner (I believe we call that “projection”). So yes, guys–women lie. Constantly, about everything related to sexuality and relationships. Usually, they’re lying to you.

[–]Will_Im_NotM - Bi - Here for the drama [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

You don't know with certainty and the minimal conceptualization you have of TRP is probably quite ignorant and shaped from biased outside viewpoints and obviously society itself.

Fine. From the horse's mouth then:

Don’t trust women. Lying and manipulating is to them what resolve and hard work are for us: our weapons in life

So yes, guys–women lie. Constantly, about everything related to sexuality and relationships. Usually, they’re lying to you.... But trust them? No, not by a long shot. And you shouldn’t either.

[–]B00TYMASTERRed Pill Man [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Let's take this stuff in context at least, bud.

5,000 women were surveyed across Scotland, England, Northern Ireland, and Wales. Here’s a summary of the results: –50% of women would lie to their husbands if they got pregnant by another man, having the provider hubby believe he’s the actual father. –42% of women would lie about contraception in order to get pregnant. (always use your own condoms, never raw dog a girl who claims to be on the Birth Control pill no matter how convincing she is) –96% admit to lying, cheating or stealing in some form. Ninety-fucking-six percent. –45% said they tell “little white lies” pretty much every day. –83% of women admit to telling “big, life-changing lies.” –Romantic partners are more likely to be lied to by women than their family, friends and coworkers. –57% of women admit to stealing. –38% would marry purely for money (surely while going to great lengths to convince the man of how and why he’s the love of her life). –31% of all women (and 65% of single women) would not tell future partners about contracting a venereal disease. –55% of women pretend to be sick or tired in order to avoid sex with their “significant other.” –30% of all women have had an affair with a married man. –68% of women do not trust their partner (I believe we call that “projection”). So yes, guys–women lie. Constantly, about everything related to sexuality and relationships. Usually, they’re lying to you.

[–]Will_Im_NotM - Bi - Here for the drama [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Right, so TRP says that you shouldn't trust women. Which is what I said. And not trusting women is literally a definition of misogyny. Are you caught up now?

[–]drossy11 6ポイント7ポイント  (35子コメント)

It already is.

  1. Demoting a girlfriend to a plate without telling her. Call it whatever you want but you're cheating.

  2. Deflecting when someone has feelings for you to get more sex. Just fucking cut them lose.

  3. I'll admit this isn't a popular opinion but some guys say physically cheating for men as long as they stay committed to their girlfriend is okay since men are the gatekeepers of commitment and women are the gatekeepers of sex, women cannot though.

  4. The hatred for older women. If you don't want to date them, don't.

  5. Taking one example of a guy getting screwed over by a terrible person and applying it to every female.

  6. Stripping the other person from all power in the relationship.

These are just the ones at the top of my head there are many, many more.

[–]Quintus_PillusA danger to society 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

I don't align with many RP beliefs, but I want to give your post a reply.

Demoting a girlfriend to a plate without telling her. Call it whatever you want but you're cheating.

That's something that both, men and women, RP or not, do. I think that people call it "checking out emotionally". You read "I demoted my girlfriend to a plate" and it sounds cold and harsh, but that's exactly the same that a woman is doing when looking for a new man while being in a relationship to hop from one relationship to another. Although then it's "The spark is not there anymore, we're going to try counseling, although Mike from work has been very attentive lately..."

Deflecting when someone has feelings for you to get more sex. Just fucking cut them lose.

Can you specify what you mean exactly here? I don't know the context or I'm missing something.

I'll admit this isn't a popular opinion but some guys say physically cheating for men as long as they stay committed to their girlfriend is okay since men are the gatekeepers of commitment and women are the gatekeepers of sex, women cannot though.

Don't disagree. I don't like cheating, no matter who does it, although it does seem true that women tolerate physical cheating more than men (while men doing the same with emotional cheating). The classic 45-50 years old wife who knows her husband is cheating but says "It doesn't matter where he goes, what matters is where he ends (by my side)". That's a trope in many stories and I'd say it has a strong root in reality.

The hatred for older women. If you don't want to date them, don't.

I don't think the word "hatred" suits here. What you say is also a simplistic approach to it. What is disliked from older women is that they may come with a lot of baggage (mind that we all do, but older women can have ex-husbands, children or children urgencies, etc.) and the possibility of them settling with you, which as a red piller, is something to avoid at all costs.

Taking one example of a guy getting screwed over by a terrible person and applying it to every female.

Taking one example of a girl getting screwed over by a terrible person and applying it to every male. Replace then "girl" with "black" or whatever to keep it rolling. Everyone does that. However, I imagine you're talking about AWALT, which is a cautionary tale that is very hard to swallow. I like to simplify it as "That sweet nerdy girl? Go beta on her and she'll dump you like any other".

Stripping the other person from all power in the relationship.

You can't get your power stripped in a relationship unless you give it away or there's a crime involved. This is true for both men and women. You can always walk away. RPers don't have any magical powers to remove the agency of a woman unless she has no agency to begin with or gives it up. If a person can walk away from a relationship, that person still has power.

[–]Cactuar_TamerMaking poor life choices. 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

You can't get your power stripped in a relationship unless you give it away or there's a crime involved. This is true for both men and women. You can always walk away.

Can we not indulge in the libertarian fantasy that anything less than a gun to the head means 100% super double-plus free choice? Agency can absolutely be thwarted by external factors.

In reality, choices are constrained by all sorts of logistical, financial, physical, and mental barriers. Some are naturally occurring, and yes, some are deliberately put their by others including but not limited to, family, employers, romantic partners, etcs.

[–]despoticVeracityRed Pill 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even a gun to the head is a choice. But that aside:

TRP does not advocate violence, isolation or control of women. When people come in asking 'how do I make girl do X' the replies are invariably 'you don't. She's not yours. It was just your turn.'

TRP advocates forcing but one choice upon women: 'do I want him?'

Anything else TRP suggests is to make her answer that question in the affirmative. Even the notorious dread game is mostly just upskilling and forcing her to consider whether she wants to keep him. That's not robbing her of agency, unless you're suggesting she's been hypnotised by Chad's thundercock.

[–]Rufus_Reddit 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be clear, TRP does not advocate "stripping the other person from all power in the relationship," but rather being open, honest, consistent, and clear about the relationship structure.

Everybody leverages their relationships. Even if the TRP program is particularly sophisticated or successful, that's selfishness, and not misandry.

[–]HighResolutionSleepCATS DONT KNOW WHAT ITS GONNA BE, FUKKEN WIT A NIGGA LIKE ME [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Can we not indulge in the libertarian fantasy that anything less than a gun to the head means 100% super double-plus free choice? Agency can absolutely be thwarted by external factors.

My problem with this mindset is that people are all too quick to hand out passes to women, especially within a sexual or romantic context, to absolve them of the responsibility to use their agency. The opposite mindset wherein everyone- sans violent coercion- is responsible for their own decisions lacks this issue.

It isn't a perfect model, but it has its advantages.

[–]Quintus_PillusA danger to society 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Some are naturally occurring, and yes, some are deliberately put their by others including but not limited to, family, employers, romantic partners, etcs.

Who allows those to interfere to the point that they strip away your power? Those without boundaries, those giving away their power.

[–]relationshipdownvotethe blue pill is a suppository 7ポイント8ポイント  (8子コメント)

So cheating is misogynistic? Not dumping a person when they're developing feelings for you is misogynistic? Maintaining a traditional relationship is misogynistic?

The poster above that points out the low bar for misogyny is right.

[–]exit_sandmanSocial Justice War Criminal 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, you have to prioritize female happiness, if necessary higher than your own.

[–]drossy11 -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

Not at all what I said. Putting your sexual satisfaction before being a decent human being is.

[–]relationshipdownvotethe blue pill is a suppository [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Putting your sexual satisfaction before being a decent human being is.

That sounds more like being an asshole or a bad person rather than misogyny. I don't think men or women who cheat do it because they hate the opposite gender, I just think they do it because they are inconsiderate assholes with poor self control. Explain to me how it's misogyny.

[–]drossy11 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Its misogynistic to justify it saying that it's ok because women don't mind as long as they have your commitment. But they can't cheat because they're the gatekeepers of sex.

Cheating itself isn't though. That's how I see it anyways.

[–]nomdplumeRed Pill Lone Wolf 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would say that's self-centered rather than misogynistic. Misogynistic implies malice and hatred.

[–]aquaticbubNew Formula TM 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

decent human being

If your priority is to fulfill a sexual need, wouldn't it be completely logical to prioritize it instead of trying to fill someone else's notion of a "decent human being," whatever the fuck that means at any given moment

[–]drossy11 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sure. If everyone acted that way we'd live in a much worse world, which is why it isn't a social norm. Like if I wanted to be the hottest woman on earth and my priority was to kill off all the hotter girls rather than filling someone else's notion of what is an appropriate life goal, wouldn't it be logical for me to do so? You can rationalize anything.

As long as you're honest about being misogynistic.

[–]aquaticbubNew Formula TM 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Misogyny is ingrained hatred, or prejudice towards women. How can it be misogynist if the framework for TRP is set by women's nature? Is nature misogynist? It's not like TRP was just created. It is a systemized implementation of human flaws and errors, and what TRP uses when pertaining to women, you seem to find misogynist. That doesn't even make sense with the true meaning of the word. Like I said, then it's also misandrist and misanthropist, because TRP says basically everyone is worthless at their base, and everyone succumbs to their nature unless they can actively seek to change it. Guess they just hate humans then.

[–]exit_sandmanSocial Justice War Criminal 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The hatred for older women. If you don't want to date them, don't.

Here I have to chime in. It isn't "hatred for older women", it is an intense dislike of older women who are taking advantage of hapless men. Either by trying to lock them down under false pretenses or by henpecking them (or worse) in their relationships.

A woman doesn't magically become an asshole because she hit 30, a woman who is has been one before.

[–]CyraleaRedPill EC 3ポイント4ポイント  (16子コメント)

Time and time again BP'ers show they have no clue what misogyny means. They've re-invented to mean "anything that makes women feel bad".

  1. Doesn't mean you hate women. Means you've decided not to invest your time with a specific partner any more, for reasons. Men and women both do this.

  2. Doesn't mean you hate women. Just means you like sex.

  3. Moral opinion, irrelevant to TRP. TRP doesn't prescribe "ought".

  4. We don't hate older women. We're just not attracted to them. Do you hate all men that you aren't attracted to?

  5. Not hatred. That "one example" ended up being thousands of examples, from which we were able to derive common behaviours. That's literally the raison d'etre for the manosphere.

  6. Again, not hatred of women. Just prioritizing personal happiness.

If you guys redefine words, of course you'll get more hits.

[–]drossy11 0ポイント1ポイント  (15子コメント)

Well part of the definition of misogyny is sexual objectification. Any occasion where you reduce a woman to a function while disregarding her feelings is. Which is a pair of sentences that probably makes your blood curl.

Doesn't mean you hate women. Means you've decided not to invest your time with a specific partner any more, for reasons. Men and women both do this.

Yes that's fine, it's a normal part of the decline of a relationship. What I had in mind with "demote to plate" is that you start fucking other women without breaking up with your girlfriend because you like the sex and because she's now a "plate" and it's acceptable.

Doesn't mean you hate women. Just means you like sex.

If you're in TRP you must know first hand that being strung along hurts. I know that first hand. Why give someone false hope when you can just find someone who is willing to have actual casual sex, being the RP connoisseur that you are I'm sure you wouldn't have a too difficult time.

Moral opinion, irrelevant to TRP. TRP doesn't prescribe "ought".

Misogyny has to do with morals. If TRP isn't, then logically, parts of TRP must be misogynistic. Cheating destroys people. Justifying it because you want your cake and eat it too is selfish.

We don't hate older women. We're just not attracted to them. Do you hate all men that you aren't attracted to?

Not being attracted is fine but I may hit the "wall" myself if I see another post about how all single women over 30 have put themselves in this situation by riding cock after cock. This is not necessarily true. The revenge fantasies are terrible as well.

Not hatred. That "one example" ended up being thousands of examples, from which we were able to derive common behaviours. That's literally the raison d'etre for the manosphere.

Yes but in the extreme cases, even most women will agree that the girl in question was a cunt.

Again, not hatred of women. Just prioritizing personal happiness.

It's unhealthy.

[–]CyraleaRedPill EC 1ポイント2ポイント  (11子コメント)

sigh

You live in an age where information is literally a few clicks away. You have no excuse for being ignorant about very simple things, like the definition of a word.

mi·sog·y·ny məˈsäjənē/Submit
noun
dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.

That's it. No other definition. No interpretations. It does not mean "things men do that make women upset". It does not mean sexual objectification.

What I had in mind with "demote to plate" is that you start fucking other women without breaking up with your girlfriend because you like the sex and because she's now a "plate" and it's acceptable.

You can make the argument that it's shitty behaviour not to tell her. It's still not dislike, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.

If you're in TRP you must know first hand that being strung along hurts.

  1. Repeat these words for me, out loud so you can hear yourself: "Misogyny isn't making women feel bad. It's the literal dislike of all women". Being selfish doesn't mean you hate women. It's means you're selfish.

  2. If the CC-riding situation doesn't apply to you, why are you upset by it?

  3. No, women nearly always band together to support one another. Go to /r/relationships or /r/askwomen. Very, very rarely will you see anyone outright condemn women. Either way, irrelevant to the discussion on misogyny.

  4. We get to decide that, not you.

[–]drossy11 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

I really didn't think I had to paste something that shows up as the first thing you get when you type 'misogyny' into the search engine but I stand corrected.

Misogyny (/mɪˈsɒdʒɪni/) is the hatred or dislike of women or girls. According to feminist theory, misogyny can be manifested in numerous ways, including sexual discrimination, belittling of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification of women. Misogyny can be found within many mythologies of the ancient world as well as various religions. In addition, various influential Western philosophers have been described as misogynistic.

Those are all examples of objectification. I can stay here an argue with you but it's clear that this is becoming a circle-jerk of guys stupidly following their dick wherever it points so I'll leave you to it.

[–]CyraleaRedPill EC 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

According to feminist theory

And there's the problem. It's the feminist interpretation of an existing word. And you'll forgive me if I label them as a tad untrustworthy, given that their MO is to literally re-define reality to their personal benefit.

The commonly accepted definition of misogyny is not the feminist one. The feminist one means "Things that upset women".

[–]drossy11 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

Well that's the current definition. TRP and Feminism oppose each other so I'm not surprised you disagree.

Given that their MO is to literally re-define reality to their personal benefit.

Please. This is what TRP does too.

[–]UncharminglyWittyPurple Pill 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

That's the current interpretation. Not the current definition. You cannot call an interpretation a definition.

[–]drossy11 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

No. It's the definition.

[–]UncharminglyWittyPurple Pill [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

...you realize that that's not how definitions work right? Use a dictionary.

[–]CyraleaRedPill EC 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's how feminists use it. Even if they deny it. Listen to a woman's actions, not her words.

[–]drossy11 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

ITS LITERALLY THE DEFINITION.

[–]probably_quite_drunk 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well part of the definition of misogyny is sexual objectification

No, it isn't. Definition here. You can't redefine words to suit your own personal vendetta.

[–]BaadKittehRed Pill Opponent [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Language evolves, no matter how much progress scares terpers.

[–]probably_quite_drunk [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And yet facts remain constant. No matter how much you delude yourself into thinking they don't.

[–]Chigibow 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

None of that is misogyny.

Demoting a girlfriend to a plate without telling her. Call it whatever you want but you're cheating.

If you never agreed to be exclusive, this isn't wrong. It's not her job to decide where you stand. It's harsh yes, but tough shit, women are brutal too so it's fair game.

Deflecting when someone has feelings for you to get more sex. Just fucking cut them lose.

Women get bored with guys that are too easy. It's an intensely emotional experience for a woman to be kept guessing and teased - not using that emotion to both of your benefit is a waste.

I'll admit this isn't a popular opinion but some guys say physically cheating for men as long as they stay committed to their girlfriend is okay since men are the gatekeepers of commitment and women are the gatekeepers of sex, women cannot though.

Again, it's not cheating unless you both agreed to exclusivity and you break that promise. Besides, cheating isn't even that bad - it can be used to create drama and women love drama. Drama = emotion = passionate sex

The hatred for older women. If you don't want to date them, don't

Saying that most women above 30 are ugly isn't misogyny, it's reality. Women are only worth your time up to a certain point. This isn't the politically correct wonderland, people are allowed to be real.

Taking one example of a guy getting screwed over by a terrible person and applying it to every female.

Certain characteristics are universal to nearly all women. Assuming certain negative things is just smart play. Accepting negative sides to women doesn't mean you hate them as a whole.

Stripping the other person from all power in the relationship.

Again, misogyny how ? Why does she need to have control in order for you to like her ?

Setting the bar way low for that word.

[–]dakruNeither 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you never agreed to be exclusive, this isn't wrong. It's not her job to decide where you stand. It's harsh yes, but tough shit, women are brutal too so it's fair game.

The person said "demoting a girlfriend to a plate without telling her". If she was your girlfriend then you probably agreed to be exclusive.

[–]CyraleaRedPill EC 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

You haven't given any evidence to your assertion. What makes you think TRP is becoming misogynistic? Something preferably more than just a generalized feeling.

[–]SepeanHappily Married Man[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't think it is becoming misogynistic.

[–]CyraleaRedPill EC 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's not clear in your post. Perhaps you should flair this as "Question for Blue"?

[–]SepeanHappily Married Man[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I made an edit.

It's more a question for red and purple. Blue pillers who think TRP in itself is misogynistic aren't relevant to this discussion.

[–]exit_sandmanSocial Justice War Criminal 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

For the currently given interpretation of "misogyny", TRP definitely is it, and pretty gleefully by that.

But it would also be according to a more neutral definition that doesn't equate "not thinking women are awesome" with "misogyny".

[–]Archwinger 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Becoming? I'm a total misogynist. So are a lot of red pill advocates. So what? Me being a woman hating bigot doesn't change the rules of attraction. They're how things work whether I do the typing or whether you read about them on Huffington post.

I'll just use the words cunt and slut a lot more.

[–]exit_sandmanSocial Justice War Criminal 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think that's also why bluepillers have to contest ("fake field report") or at the very least denigrate ("broken woman") any redpill success story. Because if there's one thing that would keep them awake at night it would be the realization that you can be a complete and utter douchebag particularly to women and yet they would walk barefoot through trails of broken glass in order to get to you.

So they have to explain away the success of assholes ("they're just better-looking") and continue to promote the idea that the value of niceness and loyalty is on par with attractiveness.

[–]Will_Im_NotM - Bi - Here for the drama [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Because if there's one thing that would keep them awake at night it would be the realization that you can be a complete and utter douchebag particularly to women and yet they would walk barefoot through trails of broken glass in order to get to you.

No, not really. There's plenty of mouth breathers out there who date people I dislike. It's not like women are angels who only judge attraction based on morality like TRPers say they used to believe. Plenty of men like hot bitches, why wouldn't the same apply to women?

[–]terminator3456 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

becoming

LOL

[–]thefisherman1961Red Pill Man 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think some Red Pillers actually do hate women, but they make up a negligible percentage of the community.

[–]Elkmont 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

No. There was a post yesterday where OP claimed women were useless except for reproduction. He was downvoted into oblivion and told to grow up and get over his anger.

[–]wtknightNon-Red Pill 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

Red Pill is already misogynist. AWALT is misogynist. Substitute the word "Blacks" or "Jews" for many of the things that Red Pill says about women.

[–]SepeanHappily Married Man[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

So "Black people have dark skin" or "Black people originally came from Africa" would be racist?

It's not racist/misogynist if it is true.

[–]Atlas_B_ShrugginRed Pill 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thats your mistake. NOTICING race or sex differences in any way or context not approved by the left is racism or sexism

[–]Will_Im_NotM - Bi - Here for the drama [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

TRP is not saying "all women have two X chromosomes". TRP is saying "All women are lying whores" or "All women will leave you the second they get a better option".

It's not racist/misogynist if it is true.

But it's not true! Even TRP admits that AWALT is not true.

[–]epicureanmanslutNiceguy 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

You could also do this with a lot of SJW material. There's actually a chrome extension which lets you swap SJW speak into nazi, all it does is replace men with jews and women with aryans and bam.

[–]Will_Im_NotM - Bi - Here for the drama [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm personally sticking with the chrome extension that replaces "SJWs" with "skeletons". The internet makes a lot more sense now.

You guys, the skeletons have completely taken over the American government!

[–]BaadKittehRed Pill Opponent [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

/r/menkampf/

Many people would probably be surprised that I'm amused by mockery of over-the-top SJWs, because they see my advocacy of basic human decency, emotional maturity, and respect in relationships as putting me in that category. Nope. I disdain extremists of all types.

[–]jayden695I'm low down and i'm shifty!!!! 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

You could also do the same thing with quotes from Anita and a shitload of other feminists.

[–]Lonny_zone/( .□.)\ ︵╰(゜益゜)╯︵ /(.□. /) [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What would be a move towards support of misogyny? Gang rape? Domestic abuse?

Not gonna happen.

I think since TRP started concerning itself with feminism rather than just sexual strategy, it became more legitimate and harder to interpret as misogyny.

[–]cxj70%R/30%B [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think trps core ideas are 70% correct, but believe a critical mass of users has driven the course of discussion way off the rails of self improvement or useful posts of any kind into a tornado of negative emotions that prohibit most rational discourse. Thats just the reality of a mass userbase imo.

[–]haircombsnightmare 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

It hides under a lot of fancy words, which only makes it more evident. Sorry, no one but RedPill swallows the "not misogynist" part.

[–]SepeanHappily Married Man[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

If describing how women behave and how to become attractive to them is misogynistic, what does that say about women?

[–]haircombsnightmare 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

See? Hiding under a lot of fancy words.

What you do is more on the lines of describing what YOU think women are like, generalizing the whole gender based solely on it, and claiming your strategies are amoral while apologizing rape on the back.

Nope, not buying it.

[–]aquaticbubNew Formula TM 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

What you do is more on the lines of describing what YOU think women men are like, generalizing the whole gender based solely on it

Let's teach men not to rape, it's the patriarchy's fault, etc.

For a moment let's imagine 1,000 guys all start coming across the same generalizations in their life about other men. They realize, holy shit, these generalizations work, and are applicable, reproducible, and effective. They include the 1,000 who discover these generalizations, as well as all the other men. Now, if they start to apply these generalizations, in order to get results they want, are they misandrists? Do they hate men? Even if the generalizations are "negative", are they hating men? Or are they just utilizing a system already put in place that they just happened to discover/realize? You're saying TRP is wrong about their generalizations, but until anyone has conclusive evidence to back that up, it just sounds like whining. If TRP is misogynist, then it is equally misanthropist. It says things about human nature that could be seen just as negative. Is talking about how betas fail at noticing their own behavior misandrist? No, so why is talking about how women fail at noticing their own behavior misogynist?

[–]BaadKittehRed Pill Opponent 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

"Becoming"? The base premise is misogynistic. Shrouding your misogyny in pseudoscience only fools yourselves. "Women's true nature" is a ridiculous idea, as if women- or men, for that matter- were a homogeneous group with no individual differentiation. You disdain women and you seek to learn to use them for your own purposes without having to make any compromises toward their happiness. Your purpose is repugnant to any decent person.

[–]Lonny_zone/( .□.)\ ︵╰(゜益゜)╯︵ /(.□. /) [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You disdain women

No. I like dislike the ones that fail to use logic.

and you seek to learn to use them for your own purposes

How? If I become a better mate I'm only making her life better.

without having to make any compromises toward their happiness.

If I weren't making a woman happy, why would she stay with me?

[–]nomdplumeRed Pill Lone Wolf [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"Women's true nature" is a ridiculous idea, as if women- or men, for that matter- were a homogeneous group with no individual differentiation.

Yeah, just as ridiculous an idea as efforts to determine "human nature", as if humans were a homogeneous group with no individual differentiation. You can go tell all the social scientists that they are wasting their time...

You disdain women and you seek to learn to use them for your own purposes without having to make any compromises toward their happiness.

Huh.

I guess all the work I do to make women more attracted to me and to make them feel like my presence provides them extraordinary value in their life represents no compromise toward their happiness.

If all that effort is wasted on them, I guess I should just give all that up, grab a club, whack women over the head, and drag them back to my man-cave. Sounds way easier...

[–]Rufus_Reddit -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

So TRP is amoral, but that doesn't mean the community can't become evil. ...

In order for something to be 'evil' you have to make some kind of moral judgement. Aren't we all a bit too old for imaginary friends and moral absolutes?

We can consider a convenient example, there's the ever popular golden rule: "One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself." Since TRP advocates dimorphism in gender roles, it clearly goes against that notion of 'right'. (Admittedly, moral notions are often a bit more nuanced than that, but that really only reinforces the claim that morals are subjective.)

The notion of misogyny is similarly subjective. TRPers certainly don't hate, dislike, or have contempt for women. (Even if they have contempt for certain things that women frequently say or do.) TRP is about heterosexual relationships, so sexualization and sex discrimination are intrinsic to it.

[–]CisWhiteMaelstromEndorsed Contributor -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

I actively stop encouraging people to get out of the anger phase and I try to squash such talk when I see it. Men are entitled to their anger for as long as it lasts and who the fuck are you to tell them otherwise? I wish you'd posted this to /r/TheRedPill so they could ban you and there's be one fewer of you guys in our community.

[–]SepeanHappily Married Man[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

This post doesn't belong on TRP. TRP doesn't want concern trolling (for good reason), and as I wrote this is not something I see happening.

As to staying angry: Whatever loss or injustice anyone suffered in life, I would suggest that they eventually move on and let go of their anger or sorrow. I believe that a lot of men are angry for good reason; I've felt it, and they have my full understanding, respect and sympathy. My advice is still to move past it, for their own sake.

[–]BaadKittehRed Pill Opponent [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The irony of you wishing someone had posted a dissenting opinion in your precious sub so they'd be banned is utterly delicious even before we take into consideration you misunderstood it. I believe I'll keep this one for posterity.

[–]CisWhiteMaelstromEndorsed Contributor [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I didn't misunderstand it. It's the same concern troll nonsense that shows up everywhere.

[–]nomdplumeRed Pill Lone Wolf [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I think I get were you are coming from - no one likes having their feelings invalidated.

However, if someone were to come to me for advice on how to be more successful because they were so pissed off at their failures, one of the very first things to go to work on is that anger.

Bitterness, resentment, frustration, and everything else that goes along with that anger is counter-productive to success. It represents a complete loss of frame. Every emotion, including anger, needs to be subordinate to the individual and his goals/commitments if he hopes to be successful. No great man/leader/warrior operated from being angry.

One can have anger without being angry. To be great, you need to have your emotions instead of letting your emotions have you.

[–]CisWhiteMaelstromEndorsed Contributor [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's not where I'm coming from. Where I'm coming from is that free discourse is vital to sharing ideas and anger is part of those ideas. His "advice" is also textbook concern trolling. Anyone who thinks appeasing feminists and blue pill will help a sub needs to answer for why TRP has more activity than seduction and mensrights put together. Last, the real loss of frame is changing our frame to go from our agenda to BP's. If our unpleasant frame bothers BP and this guy, that's your problem and not ours.