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Does God really exist? (self.Christianity)

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[–]Atheistcarl_sagans_ghost__ -7ポイント-6ポイント  (47子コメント)

No. Consider the fact that creatures have been suffering and going extinct for millions of years on this planet. This suffering is unnecessary. If God's ultimate goal was to create humans beings, then he would have just created us from the start. Instead what we see when we look at the history of the planet is exactly what we should expect if there is no God; suffering, death, extinction, over unfathomable periods of time.

[–]Christian (Cross)avericks 3ポイント4ポイント  (17子コメント)

You are under the assumption that a it is necessary for a God to be benevolent. Perhaps there is/are Gods that allow suffering, death and extinction.

[–]hesterbest 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

As this is posted in /r/christianity I think it is fair to assume that OP was referring to the God you get to know in the Old Testament and the New Testament. I think that /u/carl_sagans_ghost__ comment is justified. It is fair to compare the writings in the Bible with empirical evidence, and in that case the answer will be no.

[–]Christian (Cross)avericks 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

So you want the Christians in a Christian sub to tell someone that God does not exist.

K

[–]hesterbest 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I just pointed out that your comment was not exactly a counter argument given this being a Christian sub. I think that Thor, Odin, Ra or any of the other gods is not really what OP is questioning the existence of.

[–]Christian (Cross)avericks -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

But it's my counter argument to the idea that a God cannot exist because suffering exist. That's just terrible logic.

[–]hesterbest 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

It is not terrible logic. How can an omnipotent God allow for the existence of suffering?

If God exist, and he has superpowers, some of them being "Goodness", and "Graciousness". Then it is fair to question his existence when he allows a Christian child to be born with bone tumor.

[–]Christian (Cross)avericks 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I said a God. Not the Christian God. Omnipotent means having all power but that doesn't encompass morality or benevolence.

Then it is fair to question his existence when he allows a Christian child to be born with bone tumor.

Not to be a dick but I'm not going to get into it with you after that sentence.

[–]hesterbest 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes I know you said a God, and /u/carl_sagans_ghost__ spcifically said "no God". But given the context of /r/Christianity and /u/carl_sagans_ghost__ commet, I just pointed out it was not really relevant what other gods do. I can call myself a god, and I exists. Not really relevant is it?

Omnipotent means having all power but that doesn't encompass morality or benevolence.

But God (the Christian one) is not only Omnipotent, hence the list of super powers he is supposed to have. There is most certainly a conflict with the attributes of God (the Christian one) and the lack of morality and benevolence.

Just because your running out of arguments does not make you a dick. The existence of God (any God) is something very difficult to prove, and it is most valid to wander into the domain of evidence.

[–]Agnostic (a la T.H. Huxley)GOD_WAS_A_VOLCANO 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not a Christian. I've never been a Christian. I have no aspirations to be a Christian. Oh, and I've never read the Bible.

Clearly, I am the most qualified person to answer OP's question.

[–]Church of ChristWaywardMetroid 0ポイント1ポイント  (26子コメント)

Why are you here? This person is asking for a Christian answer to a philosophical question. Your answer, I would argue, is not helpful whatsoever.

What is your purpose on this subreddit? Maybe I should just ignore you, but I genuinely want to know why you came here just to discourage someone who is asking a legitimate question and seeking an answer from Christians.

[–]Christian Deistbunker_man 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

If they're asking a legitimate question, then is it really legitimate for the answers to be biased in one direction?

[–]Church of ChristWaywardMetroid 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This person is asking for a Christian answer

[–]secondbiggest -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

People downvoting the answer they don't want to hear.