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Bill Burr on "White Male Privilege" (youtube.com)

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[–]ItsMeTheMo 196ポイント197ポイント  (20子コメント)

That ending -- "It's comedy, you know, people get hurt. That's how it fuckn' works. This is the worst appology ever, but it's coming from the heart, alright, so go fuck yourselves." Lolz, Bill Burr is the best.

[–]screenlicker 38ポイント39ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's worth rewinding to the start of the video to give context. I thought the whole thing was funny and insightful.

[–]dangerdark 140ポイント141ポイント  (64子コメント)

There's only one privilege. It's wealth. And like Carlin said, "You're not in the club".

[–]RememberedWater 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah but if I argue with rich people it doesn't go anywhere. They just sail away.

Lot easier to bait people based on their colour.

[–]ResidentDirtbag 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, but being a poor black person is significantly shittier than being a poor white person.

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    [–]Sugreev2001 107ポイント108ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Gotta love Bill Burr. Nobody talks about double standards better than him these days.

    [–]tmassofficial 56ポイント57ポイント  (18子コメント)

    never met him, but I know I'd like to drink with this guy

    [–]awyden 18ポイント19ポイント  (13子コメント)

    he's on the wagon. probably not permanently though, talks about how he wants to drop like 30 pounds or something

    [–]lemongrenade 25ポイント26ポイント  (9子コメント)

    His wagon rides never last more than a month usually

    [–]tha_dank 11ポイント12ポイント  (7子コメント)

    And he thinks he can make 72 days...I'm pulling for him, but good luck billy boy.

    [–]lemongrenade 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "I go to the gym every day it's just become a part of my life and if you don't wanna be a fatty you'll go to the gym everyday YA CUNT"

    [–]Sluggocide 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I went 90 days a year ago after drinking pretty much daily for 5-6 years. Lost like 40 lbs(coupled with going low carb).

    [–]tha_dank 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Good for you man! That's pretty dope. I say that mainly because 75% of the ppl at his job are drinking and/or drunk, so that may tempt him. I really am rooting for him, just being realistic.

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      [–]im_always_fapping 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Your party has died of dysentery

      [–]BinaryBlasphemy 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I GO TO THE GYM EVERYDAY. IT'S JUST BECOME PART OF MY LIFE.

      [–]Goonsrarg 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      "It's just become part ME life."

      [–]thepunismightier 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You taking the challenge with him starting today?

      [–]vereonix 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

      One of his stand up shows is on Netflix, well worth a watch.

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        [–]Prescript2 572ポイント573ポイント  (181子コメント)

        No such thing as white privilege.

        Every white privelege is simply an inverse of a disadvantage experienced by another race. Not being discriminated against is not a privilege, its the zero line that everyone deserves.

        Are happy and successful black people who haven't been discriminated against privileged? (They exist.) No, of course not, they are simply treated right.

        Because every privilege is hiding its inverse discrimination, every mention of privilege is a wasted opportunity to talk about the real problem. These people will not do anything that will disrupt their lives to help black people and so resort to disarming these problems by making it about themselves and punishing themselves. This alleviates guilt and allows them to continue normally while doing nothing for real.

        People talk about black grievance in this guise because they don't like dealing with real issues and want to self pity.

        They elevate basic rights to privileges, bringing discrimination to the zero line. This also has the effect of demoralising everyone involved, making them not ask for more in life which everyone should be striving for without guilt and how the powers that be would love everyone to be like. Divide and conquer.

        Before I am punished for telling the truth I would like to point out I am a gay black man.

        Peace and love to all mankind. Please be nice to eachother, in comments there is too much hate. Hurting one type of person won't help another type.

        Please watch this.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX25PDBb708

        [–]nrobi 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

        This is a glass half full/half empty distinction you're making. When people say "white people have advantages," of course the inverse is "people of color have disadvantages." The difference is only semantic.

        Also, worth noting that much of the prejudice against certain groups of people does provide a clear advantage for white people. An example is housing discrimination: if it's harder for black people to get houses, it is easier for white people by necessity.

        [–]antieverything 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Yeah, but if it makes me, as a white guy, feel bad about myself there must be some mistake, right? Isn't the end goal of social justice that white dudes get to stop feeling bad? And this only makes me feel worse!

        [–]CheeseDrink 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Isn't the end goal of social justice that white dudes get to stop feeling bad?

        I'm not sure if you've been paying attention to the same "social justice movement" that I have. It's pretty much the objective to make white men feel like they're the center of the universes problems.

        [–]Prescript2 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

        The meaning of the words defines the focus of the debate. Which is not on black people when you shame white people. It is not just semantic.

        Your example is a good example of this.

        [–]Lamparita 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I completely agree. Not many people see that the question leads the discussion. So much has been done with the wrong premises, it's embarrasing. Also, people are way too eager to jump on the wagon, just giving these movements more momentum without really thinking what is going on.

        [–]Clockw0rk 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Ideas like these are the core underpinnings of Egalitarianism.

        Good on you, dude. Spread the word, keep up the good work.

        [–]newnameuser 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I hear that it has something to do with money and that's the real difference. This link can share what many white people who aren't wealthy may not be able to see.

        http://jimbuie.blogs.com/journal/2007/11/50-examples-of-.html

        [–]Justworkhere 26ポイント27ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Wow, I've never heard it put that way. That makes a lot of sense.

        [–]Anathos117 41ポイント42ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I've never heard it put that way.

        Probably because any time somebody says it they get bombarded with comments telling them that if someone else is disadvantaged you have an advantage and having an advantage is a privilege. Which is nonsense; a privilege is something extra you have, something special. Basic rights aren't privileges.

        [–]jose_con_queso 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        a privilege is something extra you have, something special

        In this case, the privilege is not that you have basic rights, it is that there is no systemic mechanism standing between you and those basic rights. The privilege is in not having to fight for the right to vote or the right to be married to the one you love. The privilege is the confidence that you can walk through a store and not be followed by security. The privilege is never having to adjust your way of speaking before people will listen to you.

        Privilege is not a discussion of how people think every white person has money. It is a discussion that requires stepping out of your own skin for a moment to see things from a different perspective. Privilege is knowing you can avoid doing that by making the argument about semantics and have a majority agree with you.

        [–]Sarioth 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

        I agree with this and also think the term leads to many white people reflexively disagreeing with anything the person who brought it up says, particularly if they're white with a lower socioeconomic status.

        Someone like that looks at white privilege and balks, because it doesn't fit with their life experience. Instead, point out to them instances of discrimination, and they can't really refute them because they haven't experienced it.

        [–]EggoEggoEggo 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Especially since the story is usually "The last person who lectured me about my privilege went to Yale".

        Fuck those rich assholes whose daddies paid $250,000 for their gender studies degree, just so they could lecture my broke ass about my "privilege".

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          [–]captainthataway 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Happy successful black people who never have been discriminated against do not exist. Even Michelle Obama has been called the president's "baby mama".

          [–]TuckerMcG 41ポイント42ポイント  (15子コメント)

          I wish more people thought like you. This should be the top comment. Basic human dignities are not a privilege. They're not something that is given from one person to another, they're innately imbued upon all of us.

          Society strips some people of those basic human dignities, yet preserves it for others. And the preservation of those basic human dignities is not a privilege, it's a right. Heterosexual couples weren't privileged that they could get married, it is simply that homosexuals were discriminated against when they were denied that right. Same goes for police brutality. Or job opportunity. Or any other social inequality we witness in the modern day.

          We are making progress. And the whole discussion about privilege hinders that progress because it presumes that the basic human dignities that should be preserved for everyone are something that weren't earned - they were earned, simply by being born they were earned. The injustice is that they were stripped from some people, not that they were preserved for others. That preservation is justice, and everyone is entitled to it. Confounding a right for a privilege demeans that basic principle of every democratic society, and makes it harder for those who are denied protection of those rights to redeem what has been stripped from them.

          [–]ChiUnit4evr -5ポイント-4ポイント  (12子コメント)

          I think the idea of "privilege" stems from the fact that basic human dignities are generally given to white people and not given to minorities. And as much as we'd like basic human dignities to be a right, when the governing institution, whether intentionally or unintentionally, doesn't uphold that right, they are in essence assigning dignities to one group and not to another. That makes it a privilege.

          And no, money has nothing to do with it, take Stephen A Smith's word for it.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpAjJlfijJ4

          [–]Prescript2 28ポイント29ポイント  (8子コメント)

          Someone else called it a semantic game and that is what you are doing. You are defining grievance as someone else's advantage? Let's cut out the middleman and face our problems for real.

          [–]ChiUnit4evr 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Oh I absolutely agree. Calling it privilege allows for a deflection of the conversation.

          [–]bad_religion 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

          It also puts those "privileged" on the defensive and makes it an us versus them issue.

          [–]bisonburgers 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It's always about semantics. So many times I've read through arguments where people essentially agree, but just keep arguing because they call it something different. I love words, I love linguistics, but words can confuse an argument and bring understanding to a screeching halt because people can't agree on a definition.

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            [–]GatorDontPlayThatSht 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

            basic human dignities are generally given to white people and not given to minorities.

            That's not true at all.

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                [–]VampiricCyclone 20ポイント21ポイント  (4子コメント)

                The real problem is that we refer to "white privilege," and as a result, all of the proposed solutions to the problem are "punish all white people in an amount commensurate with their inherently privileged state" -- which solves no problems, and serves only to increase the amount of bitterness and discrimination in the world.

                [–]-Themis- 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

                I have never heard anyone suggest that the answer to white privilege is to "punish" white people. It's mostly to bring others up to the same standard. No one says "you know, the police kill a lot of innocent black people. Clearly the solution is to unnecessarily murder more whites."

                [–]i_drah_zua 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I think parent commenter meant something in the line of positive discrimination/affirmative action.

                E.g. to make it harder for non-minorities to get chosen for a job with the same qualifications as someone from a minority.
                It basically discriminates against non-minorities because of their status, but you know, it's ok, the majority is the not protected by law.

                [–]rudster 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Look up "whitesplain" and "mansplain". Pretty much 100% of the time I've heard of "privilege" it's to express that some group doesn't have the right to their opinions. Also, 100% of the time the person using the word privilege is a person who's life so far has been a virtual paradise, applying it to someone they can't be sure didn't spend their entire life getting ass-raped in a third-world prison.

                [–]standardbearer1492 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Black people kill more innocent black people than the police does. Maybe black people need to be held somewhat responsible for creating the kind of societies where murder is rampant and the police are constantly on edge. Or we could blame this "White Privilege" that magically keeps American blacks down but allows dirt-poor immigrants who don't speak English to set up businesses, prosper and send their kids to college.

                [–]pokemon2012 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

                There's a lot of shallow understanding of what "privilege" means in this thread, but this recent NYT piece on what privilege means I found both thoughtful and relevant here. It captures why the semantics do matter and how the word has become loaded for the wrong reasons. Sharing in case anyone is interested. www.nytimes.com/2015/07/19/magazine/how-privilege-became-a-provocation.html

                [–]Prescript2 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

                People conflate lack of knowledge with being "blinded" by not being discriminating against. You're not blind and you it's silly for people to say white people don't know about racism. Education is the key, not self reflection.

                [–]Rswany 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                Nothing wrong with trying to present knowledge from a relatable perspective.

                In fact that's one of the most basic teaching tools.

                [–]Prescript2 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Yes you are very right but the perspective (privilege belief) is an inverse of discrimination that hides that discrimination and so is a complete failure to educate about that discrimination.

                [–]Rswany 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Eh, you can't properly talk about privilege without mentioning discrimination.

                The people are so focused on the "you are white and you should feel bad!" are just a loud angry minority.

                Which is unfortunate because it detracts from the actual legitimate significance that discussions of privilege can have.

                The idea of structured privilege is all about different perspectives and the different discrimination that exist between perspectives.

                [–]-Themis- 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                No such thing as white privilege.

                You rename "white privilege" the baseline, and instead call it "non-white disadvantage/discrimination." How does that change the statement in a useful way?

                Is "you have an advantage" different from "he has a disadvantage" in a material way? Because i don't see that difference.

                [–]laowai_shuo_shenme 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Yes, it is significantly different. If I have an advantage, then the implication is that I don't deserve what I have. Maybe it was given to me, or I didn't have to work as hard as I should have to get it. You're saying that I have too much, rather than that other people have too little.

                That's where you create opposition for yourself. Plenty of white people work hard for little reward too, and when you try to tell them how easy they have it and how they don't deserve what little they have then their completely understandable response is likely to be "fuck you."

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                  [–]screenlicker 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  First of all, I watched that video... incredible. I wish I'd seen this version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjOkvxMHapo instead - without the music - but still. Had no idea Chaplin ever did that. Beautiful.

                  every privilege is hiding its inverse discrimination

                  Completely agreed.

                  These people will not do anything that will disrupt their lives to help black people and so resort to disarming these problems by making it about themselves and punishing themselves.

                  Don't know who "these people" are specifically, but think you are probably meaning "people who claim white privilege does not exist" and including Bill Burr into that group. If so, then maybe the first part is right, but including Burr into that group is a mistake, IMO. Burr's main point in that video, to me, was "everybody has issues", full stop. Many of the white people in America are poor, and without health insurance. I this Killer Mike has a great line in his song, "That's Life":

                  The comment Kanye made was damn near right

                  But Bush hate poor people

                  Be 'em black or white

                  ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt9X1gvz728 )

                  Bill Burr is a comedian and a human being and probably sometimes oversimplifies things, like we all do. I don't feel like he did that in this case. He was saying, "life's fucking hard for everybody" and it really is, IMO.

                  [–]1371CE 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  These people will not do anything that will disrupt their lives to help black people and so resort to disarming these problems by making it about themselves and punishing themselves.

                  I think he meant people who claim white privilege is an actual thing we should be worried about so they don't have to think or act.

                  [–]aoeu4321 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Don't know who "these people" are specifically, but think you are probably meaning "people who claim white privilege does not exist" and including Bill Burr into that group.

                  I think the idea there was that people bemoan "privileges" so they can feel better about the fact that they don't do anything to help the disadvantaged.

                  [–]fencerman 54ポイント55ポイント  (51子コメント)

                  Every white privelege is simply an inverse of a disadvantage experienced by another race. Not being discriminated against is not a privilege, its the zero line that everyone deserves.

                  Why does that semantic game matter? If you say "white privilege doesn't exist, it's just that everyone else faces discrimination that white people don't have to deal with", that's not any kind of meaningful difference at all. Okay, call it "white non-discrimination", it's the same thing.

                  [–]Anathos117 66ポイント67ポイント  (7子コメント)

                  Why does that semantic game matter?

                  Because what words we use words has an impact on how we think and what actions we take and how other people respond to us. "White privilege" presents the issue in an inherently combative way. It transforms an issue that most people agree with ("many minorities, particularly black people, face a number of socioeconomic disadvantages") into an us-vs-them issue ("white people need to have less so black people can have more"). And that creates opposition to progress where none used to exist.

                  [–]Prescript2 93ポイント94ポイント  (31子コメント)

                  I never said white people dont have to deal with discrimination and what you call privilege I called a right for all that is the normal. This is what I mean by the zero line. Discrimination should be in the negative but when you say basic rights are privileges you normalize discrimination.

                  [–]HeyYouDontKnowMe 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  There is a meaningful difference. One implies that white people are all actively propping up the status quo. The other does not.

                  [–]narcoleptita 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Why does that semantic game matter?

                  Because it implicates the 'privileged' in the crime of oppression. You can treat others equitably but you're still guilty because you're an indirect benefactor of oppression (at least under this line of thinking.)

                  [–]Master119 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Because words have power. Words change how you think. If you say white privilege, the connotation is that whites are lucky and don't deserve it. If you say discrimination of non-whites, it becomes more clear that the issue is discrimination.

                  [–]PSGWSP 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Why does that semantic game matter?

                  Because it puts white people on the defense (they feel blamed) and thereby doesn't help solve the problem.

                  [–]TheCodexx 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Is there seriously people outside of specific forums who actually intentionally discriminate, though? Who say, "yeah they're [ethnicity], screw them!"? Because it seems like I've met maybe one or two in real life. But these people never get yelled at. Instead, random schmucks on the street get yelled at for being lower-middle-class and being "fortunate" enough to go to a crappy suburban public school instead of a slightly crappier inner-city public school.

                  Let's face it, this isn't a racial issue and anyone who tries to make it one is avoiding the real issue. Some people do not have the economic means to afford living and afford the free time needed to be involved in their child's education, and that impacts and perpetuates a cycle. The solution is to recognize it as such and look for a way out, not to rant that someone else is richer than you. There will never be a scenario where every single person is born on the same page, but every single person has opportunities to make something of themselves. And sometimes random chance, or luck, factors heavily into it.

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                    [–]antieverything 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    Rights theory is awesome...for children and the uneducated. People who actually study this stuff, however, have moved on to models that actually describe reality as opposed to simply enumerating our aspirations.

                    [–]Prescript2 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    How does shaming white people educate about the reality of black people?

                    [–]antieverything 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    It is only "shaming" because you choose to feel shamed instead of acknowledging that society is driven by structural elements much larger than us as individuals. When your basis is a simplistic fantasy land where injustice must necessarily be rooted in the horrific acts of iniquitous people as opposed to deep rooted social structures and historical trends, it is very easy to take offense at someone describing the world as it actually is.

                    [–]janschy[🍰] 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

                    But your talk of white privilege and black disadvantage is just semantics. You're just calling the cup half empty instead of half full, right? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

                    And what do you mean by "they" or "these people?"

                    [–]stoopidquestions 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Isn't it all spin? Words hold implications; global warming vs. climate change, or pro-life vs. anti-choice. Saying being treated fairly is a privilege I plies we expect less of the human race. Celebrities and the rich get to buy privilege; the way your average white-guy is treated is how every average person should be treated.

                    [–]Prescript2 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    White privilege is a delibrate twisting of and hiding of black grievance and I untwisted it.

                    [–]Qapiojg 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    But your talk of white privilege and black disadvantage is just semantics. You're just calling the cup half empty instead of half full, right? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

                    Your wrong. The implication changes between them. Privilege is a special advantage given to a group. Implying that basic human rights are a privilege makes them no longer basic human rights. Rights and privileges are two separate things. It creates the dynamic that this is something that can or should be taken away.

                    Using this kind of logic, free speech isn't a right it's a privilege given to you by the government. They can take it away anytime they wish and you have no reason to be angry because it was simply a privilege you were afforded and not a basic human right. This creates a dynamic that restricts personal freedoms instead of extending them to those who should have them. We need more freedom, not less.

                    [–]Cassaroll168 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

                    The concept of white privilege or male privilege is not to make anyone feel guilty or make anyone feel they shouldn't strive for more. It's a way to try to show those who don't understand the discrimination that happens to blacks, to gays, to atheists, to any minority that is underrepresented in powerful institutions.

                    White privilege is a concept meant to illustrate to white people, who don't see racism around them and feel they aren't racist themselves, that they are seeing the world through a perspective that is skewed by their experience. They assume racism doesn't exist because they've never seen it themselves and that is their privilege. It takes the powerful foregoing their privilege and allying with those without it to make meaningful change. It took LBJ being willing to lose the south for a generation to implement the Civil Rights Act.

                    Everyone misconstrues the concept to mean "you're white, you should feel bad about that." It has nothing to do with that. Plenty of black people are privileged in their own ways, plenty of white people are not privileged in their own ways. It's just about checking people who see the world through their own experience rather than through the facts.

                    Take Sean Hannity. He talks about how when he gets pulled over by the cops, he shows them his gun that he has a permit to carry, and they have a polite conversation about his ticket. As a result, he can't understand why anyone hates or is afraid of police. His experience as a white male with major media power, influence and relative fame is good, so why wouldn't anyone's experience be good? That's his privilege speaking. Because he didn't experience it first hand, he assumes it isn't real.

                    It's really about shortening the empathy gap. Getting people to realize that their experience is based on a whole lot more than their own decisions. I think it's a good concept that deserves to be understood on its own terms, not co-opted and turned into some liberal hate-speech about how guilty every white person is.

                    Bill, no one is saying every white person owns a yacht. We're saying if you do own a yacht, consider that that's not everyone's experience of the world and why that might be. We're saying if you're white, consider that your experience might not be analogous to an hispanic person. That just because you succeeded through just hard work doesn't mean they could do the same.

                    Bill Burr is a simpleton who can't see the nuance in the concept, assumes it's attacking him, and attacks back.

                    [–]Prescript2 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    Are you surprised people dwell on themselves when you tell them to think about discrimination through their own lives?

                    From the people that disagree with me this is the true intent of privilege shaming. It is meant to educate but still fails to educate because the white people who are educated think about themselves instead of black people.

                    The solution is to abandon the concept of privilege and make greater attempts to make people face black people.

                    [–]Rswany 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    Equating topics and problems in a way that is directly relatable to a person is a very common teaching tool and rhetorical tool in general.

                    [–]sistersunbeam 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    The other thing that I often hear in an attempt to counter the concept of white privilege is the idea of wealthy black people being better off than poor white people; how can there be white privilege if that kind of thing exists?

                    But as you touched on, "privilege" is bigger than just white privilege. There's also socioeconomic privilege and male privilege and able-bodied privilege. So when all that comes into play, we end up with different people benefiting and suffering in a bunch of different ways. You can even benefit in one aspect of life and suffer in another. This hypothetical wealthy black family has socioeconomic privilege that a poor family (black or white) doesn't. But their equally wealthy white neighbor's still have the benefit of being white.

                    [–]kittiesntits 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I agree with most of.your points but I think your attack on Bill Burr is condescending. If youve heard him speak at length about these topics hes not a simpleton. He was just responding to one angry guys generalization. I mean his wife is black I'd have a hard time believing he doesn't understand any nuance in the race debate. Plus he regularly admits where hes coming and would probably honestly agree that hes a "simpleton." I just really like Bill Burr, man.

                    [–]standardbearer1492 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Classic motte and bailey argument. Can't defend the concept of "White privilege" as it is routinely used just retreat to some more easily defended position.

                    [–]C7H5BiO4 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

                    I find the term white privilege to be stupid. To me, it eliminates any work I (or any white person) has ever done. My college degrees? Meaningless. The things I worked for? Worthless. The actions that have affected people? Pah! Don't make me laugh. To me, that makes it seem like I was just handed everything, and shit just happened to me that was positive. Like I never put in my blood, sweat, and tears, and I've never lost sleep over anxiety or was so sad I debated on offing myself. All of those experiences are meaningless/never happened and didn't make me into the productive person that I am today.

                    Fuck the term white privilege. It's used as an argument by the people who have the victim complex, where they're told throughout their whole life they're victims, so might as well act like one. We don't need to cut people down to a lower level, we need to stop the whole "everyone should feel sorry for us!" schtick and make use of what you were given. Being a victim does nothing but be a detriment to the society.

                    [–]-Themis- 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Wait what?

                    Do you mean that when someone says "hey people who are rich start with an advantage," it means that what Bill Gates accomplished is meaningless, because his father was a lawyer and he grew up with wealth? Because that's a really weird way of looking at the world.

                    [–]laowai_shuo_shenme 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I'm not sure people think of it that overtly, but that's the implication. If you attribute a portion of someone's success to privilege, then you inherently devalue their effort. Sometimes this is justifiable. Paris Hilton would be nothing and no one without her name. Other times it's not. Not many people could do what Bill Gates did even with his starting point.

                    There's a lot of nuance between those points, but the vast majority of white people were not born into meaningful privilege that should diminish their personal efforts. So every time you tell them about their privilege, you shouldn't be surprised if they don't take well to the implication.

                    [–]Prescript2 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    It is sad to see people like you feel this way. Life is not a zero sum game. Saying you can't be have problems because some people are worse off is like saying you can't be happy because someone out there is happier.

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                      [–]lagrandenada 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      So my question is, would you consider having loving parents as a right or a privilege? What about access to a good education? I really am intrigued by what you've said here, and am now simply being inquisitive.

                      [–]Prescript2 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Having loving parents is certainly a basic right that I was unfortunately denied and education too should be for all. Please imagine a graph. The discrimination should be in the negative, these rights should be on the zero line. Say they are privileges and see how you raise up discrimination!

                      [–]corranhorn85 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Is the assumption that white people have loving parents?

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                      [–]Mobilebutts 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

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                      [–]sweeptheleg55 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Awesome thoughtfull response.

                      I'm gonna be a dick and say as a white man I kinda wish I did have a group I belonged to that would help form my identity. We're just a group of people with no inherent struggle. But I think there is commraddery among people who are struggling together. I envy that a lot. All I have is a group of bros I can join? No thanks. It's weird, but I really envy the close knit groups I see a lot of minorities have. I'm dating a Philipino girl and the automatic friends she can make when she bumps into another Philipino is really cool. It's like a lot of barriers for communication and connection aren't there. As a white guy all I see are walls and defense mechanisms. The onus seems to be much more on me to be reaching out.

                      [–]Batsignal_on_mars 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I prefer to call it 'luck' honestly.

                      [–]Bizronthemaladjusted 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Very well said.

                      [–]TemptThePuffin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Before I am punished for telling the truth I would like to point out I am a gay black man.

                      You want truth? REALLY?

                      Well here's truth: those shoes really do NOT go with that belt.

                       

                      Edit: Sorry, man. I had a bad day. I shouldn't have taken it out on you.

                      [–]fauxRealzy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Wow, I wish I could upvote this forever.

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                        [–]dhockey63 22ポイント23ポイント  (5子コメント)

                        I feel like all these people pushing the whole "white privilege is real!" narrative should focus their attention on the main cause of unfairness and privilege in our society: income level.

                        [–]augiemarched 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                        I'll give you the root of that: education level.

                        [–]sharkington 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I don't think that's true at all. Trades are so easy to get into, and pay so well right out of the gate. I always see people talking about the poor disadvantaged youths that didn't make it to university and now their whole life is going to be shitty. Well, a GED will get you into a community college, and a community college can get you into mechatronics, engine repair, medicine, etc. And most community colleges offer extensive financial aid, going so far as to provide allowances for books, transport, food and even board.

                        I mean, even without community college, I see people come up through fabrication shops and learn to weld or do electrical work, which they can end up making a serious career out of. Or you can join the military and learn a trade there, then when you get out you have the post 9/11 GI bill, 4 years of trade experience, and preferential hiring due to being a veteran.

                        Moreover, government jobs like water treatment, public transport, police, and post, will hire completely unskilled employees into well paying jobs, with good benefits, for a career that will last your entire working life.

                        I know I've gone on a bit of a tangent, but the point that I'm trying to make is that I really don't believe that argument about black neighborhoods with shit high schools that don't funnel enough kids to university. University is a massive wager, and it is absolutely ridiculous to believe someone struggling to make rent on a $400/mo house should be trying to take that bet.

                        I used to live and work in the great city of detroit, and I saw so many people who used the above options, and more. I also saw so many people who dropped out of high school and just kept cashing grandpa's welfare check. Obviously we have impoverished and needy people in this country, but I believe a vast proportion of those 'downtrodden' are just lazy and used to having things easy. If you want to see poor people who really have no options, go to Sao Paolo, I've said it before, but the kids in those favelas would literally kill to have a shot at life in detroit.

                        [–]weirdalec222 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        and the next piece: parental involvement

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                            [–]wingfn1 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            lol "Don't tell the Puerto Ricans!"

                            [–]Andy1_1 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            There's rich privilege in all races, if you're not rich you're not getting any privilege.

                            [–]Jay0253 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            Growing up in a home with air conditioning in only 1 room of a 3 bedroom house in 100+ degree weather. Having only one meal per day. Sometimes the electricity being off for a few days or more because we had no way to pay it. Gotta love that white privilege, right? /s

                            [–]IAmBecomeGay 38ポイント39ポイント  (46子コメント)

                            Kind of weird that he ended up marrying someone who is really into social justice issues when he makes fun of a lot of those terms like white privilege (like in OP's video) .

                            For example this clip from their show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJZP2gsS5VQ

                            I know it's 25 minutes long, but no timestamp necessary, you really only need the first 30 seconds. She actually says "this is so offensive that like I can't even".

                            [–]BarfReali 61ポイント62ポイント  (25子コメント)

                            Bill is liberal. The OP's video shows that he doesn't fall into the hyperbolic finger pointing our liberal youth and media love to do. But he does recognize that America is 70% white and it is easier for white people here in general. The guy has toured around the US for a long time, I'm gonna guess he has more perspective than a lot of us. EDIT: I've listened to MMPC long enough to know that Bill DOES believe in white male privilege, but will argue bullshit like in this video

                            [–]MEMES_IN_MY_ASSHOLE 21ポイント22ポイント  (23子コメント)

                            I don't know why you're being downvoted. You're right. White privilege is a thing, but it's not this magical ability that the hyperbolic media likes to portray it as. Most white people are poor, they're just not gonna get shot by the police as much.

                            [–]tranam 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

                            They are less likely to be viewed as thugs, or different, or one of "them." I grew up in a working class, poor white neighborhood with many of the same issues that ghettos face.
                            End of the day, i recognize that i'd rather be poor and white than poor and black.

                            [–]dhockey63 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Less likely to be viewed as thugs, more likely to be viewed as white trash. As a white guy who grew up in a middle class neighborhood I can tell you that even my white neighbors viewed poor white people as undesirable white trash. Ex: "Did you hear there's going to be a new trailer park about a mile down Lincoln street? Fuck, I sure as hell hope all that white trash stays out of our neighborhood. They'll ruin the place" - Literal quote from a neighbor growing up

                            [–]Ballersock 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I live in Virginia and I have a little bit of a southern accent and sometimes I don't give enough of a shit to shave. There is a HUGE difference in the way I'm treated when I go somewhere in an oil-stained t-shirt and shorts that I just threw on so I could go grab something and when I happen to be dressed up.

                            I walked into a Men's Warehouse looking about a suit to wear to my cousin's wedding and I wasn't too underdressed (plain tshirt, shorts and some Toms without socks) and I had a hell of a time getting a rep to even talk to me for any length of time about suits. I went back on a day I happened to be relatively dressed up (shirt, tie, dress pants, shoes) and the second I walked into the door, I had a rep ask if there was anything they could help me with and told me about their ongoing sales.

                            I'm not trying to say whites have it bad or whatever, I'm just saying that there is class discrimination based purely on what you're wearing/look like and my black friends that can afford to wear nice clothes talk a whole lot less about the "bullshit" that happens to them than the ones that cannot or do not.

                            [–]sakiwebo 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            I don't know man. I guess if you live in the US, Europe or other "white" countries. But coming from the Caribbean, I don't think I'd want to be the poor black kid in a pre-dominantly white "ghetto". Probably for the same reason I wouldn't want to be the poor white kid in a "black" ghetto.

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                              [–]AimToBCalmAndLogical 17ポイント18ポイント  (11子コメント)

                              People get butthurt when they're told they have it easier than everyone else because even though it's true, it doesnt mean our lives are easy, just easier.

                              [–]El_Gosso 18ポイント19ポイント  (4子コメント)

                              The real frustration is being told that you don't get to try to understand a situation because of your race and gender.

                              [–]Ballersock 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              And the next time they make any type of claim, ask them if they have a PhD in the subject. If someone wants to pull that "You're white and male so you have no perspective on anything" card, be just as pedantic over everything. Ask for a source for everything. "Well, you're not a meteorologist, so I don't think you can have an opinion on the weather today."

                              Or just tell them that since they're not a white male that they don't know what type of perspective a while male can have, and therefore are unable to have an opinion on what a white male can have perspective on.

                              [–]El_Gosso 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              I'm personally trying to steer away from pedantry, I find it to be rarely productive.

                              [–]Fractureskull 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              Yea, it never works in a real conversation.

                              [–]Ballersock 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              If they're at a point where they're telling you that you can't have an opinion on something, you're beyond having a real conversation. If there's more people in the conversation, I wouldn't be pedantic, but if someone's just talking to me on campus or at a bus stop or something, I have no problem throwing it back in their face.

                              [–]dhockey63 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              Denying a bullshit excuse for one's failure is not getting "butthurt", it's simply saying they're wrong.

                              "Dude you have it so easy being white!"

                              "Eh not really, I mean I grew up in a poor area and my dad walked out on us when I was 2"

                              "Lol stop getting butthurt WOW"

                              [–]MEMES_IN_MY_ASSHOLE 43ポイント44ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              People also get incredibly butthurt when they're told that maybe, just maybe, they're not oppressed.

                              [–]XDark_XSteel 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Shit, I'm confused now. This comment could be used by someone on either side of the "argument" and they would think they're right.

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                                [–]syriquez 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Except it's the dumbest fucking complaint in the world.

                                http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2314#comic

                                THERE IS ALWAYS SOMEONE THAT HAS IT WORSE. I can spout off annoying, pointless fucking platitudes, too.

                                What you SHOULD strive for is to not go "boo-fucking-hoo, the white man has [x] advantage", it's "how can I make it so my community is respected and this advantage becomes something we ALL share."

                                But that doesn't get attention nor does it get the money, so people like Jesse Jackson get it.

                                [–]disposable_me_0001 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                I think some people think that saying white privilege exists is the same as saying all white people have life easy. This is clearly not the case. In fact, that the added expectation for you to do well makes things even harder.

                                [–]halfbluehalfyellow 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                But he does recognize that America is 70% white and it is easier for white people here in general.

                                Meanwhile the government of white America endlessly pushes for diversity and non-white immigration and pushes to hide white history in favor of multiculturalism.

                                [–]AnalogRocks[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                Ehhh I've listened to tons of his stuff and she doesn't seem to be too into SJW issues. She is a little, but she's not some massive feminist.

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                                  [–]RaddialFox 66ポイント67ポイント  (39子コメント)

                                  I used to get a little pissed off when people told me I got where I did because I'm white. And I get why that makes white people mad. I never thought I had any advantages over other people because of my skin color. I went to school, I worked shitty jobs, joined the military, got out, went to college, sent out hundreds of job applications, got one reply, and I've worked my 80+ hour a week job ever since. It upsets me when people tell me I had an advantage over others because I felt like it broke me down and categorized me as someone who had it easy. But then I realized i can walk down the street and not have cops profile me, people don't cross the street to avoid me because they're scared of my skin color, I don't get treated like a lower class citizen when in stores or at a restaurant. As a white person you don't notice the kind of lives other people have to live and that's the privilege. Not everyone thinks we have big boats but they do think we have it easy socially. And I wish other groups of people had it better socially as well. They had the same privilege I do which is simply benefit of the doubt.

                                  [–]dhockey63 56ポイント57ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                  But then I realized i can walk down the street and not have cops profile me, people don't cross the street to avoid me because they're scared of my skin color, I don't get treated like a lower class citizen when in stores or at a restaurant.

                                  Being white as well I feel like you should realize this happens to poor "trailer trash" looking white people as well. Used to work at Wendy's as a teen, still remember how everyone including my manager would be on alert when a white trash looking guy would come in to the store.

                                  [–]bbbeans 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  The difference is a "trailer trash" looking white person could (hypothetically) clean up and not look that way. A non-white individual will always be non-white.

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                                    [–]harrysplinkett 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    the problem is really with the term "privilege". it's an academic term that that for regular people suggests some sort of super awesome life hack that white people have. life shit for most white people too, but it's more shit for black people.

                                    i'd reserve the word "privilege" for rich people regardless of race or gender. because the divide between the white man and the black man or a man and a woman is a lot smaller than between a rich man and a poor man.

                                    [–]skepticalrick 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    Wow. Don't give into that bullshit. It's not skin color. It's over all appearance. Let's say you're walking down an alley and two strangers are walking towards you( they're not together, just two people who happen to be walking). One is a white guy with ripped jeans, dirty shoes, dirty shirt, and shitty tattoos all over. The other person is black, but he is dressed in khakis and a polo, carrying a briefcase. Who looks like more of a threat..? The white guy does. That's how I view the world, be aware of your surroundings and take note. If you go around focused on the color of people your going to miss all sorts of other important clues about their character.

                                    [–]RaddialFox 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Same. White, black, brown, green; it's not the color that I'm looking at, it's your posture, clothing, attitude, that dictates whether or not you're a threat. But I'm me, I'm not everyone else. There are some like you and me who are like this, there are others who aren't.

                                    [–]HEADPOCKET 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    All of those privileges you mentioned are de facto privileges. The privileges that women and minorities get (affirmative action, quotas, grants, being a protected class under the law, et al) are de jure privileges.

                                    My problem with pointing out white privilege is that you're only looking at the good shit. It's like women who say men have it made because of higher pay, having positions of power, etc., and completely ignore suicide, homelessness, all the dirty jobs, being expected to pay for everything, no reproductive rights, divorce rape, being the last people off the Titanic, etc.

                                    I'm not complaining about being a white guy, I'm just saying that it's disingenuous to point out all the good things while ignoring all of the shitty things. I really don't think a rich black man like Al Sharpton lecturing to a starving unemployed white male bachelor who lost out on a job position to a African-American woman about white privilege is going to have much of an effect.

                                    [–]thro_way 25ポイント26ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                    But then I realized i can walk down the street and not have cops profile me, people don't cross the street to avoid me because they're scared of my skin color, I don't get treated like a lower class citizen when in stores or at a restaurant.

                                    And similarly, the preferential treatment that black people get from universities, corporations, and the government is "black privilege". Right?

                                    [–]EdenBlade47 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Affirmative action is an attempt to make up for the systematic disadvantage black people are at after centuries of slavery and being second-class citizens. Look how recently the Civil Rights Act was passed. There are black Americans alive today who at one time were literally unequal to whites in the eyes of the law. The cumulative effect of years of black people not being allowed education, political office, being lynched and. Calling affirmative action and similar race-based programs "black privilege" is like saying that wheelchairs and motorized scooters are "handicap privilege" because they don't have to work as hard to move.

                                    If you're white, it doesn't mean you come from generations of wealthy and educated individuals, but I guarantee none of your ancestors in the past three centuries faced the severity and consistency of disadvantages that black Americans' ancestors did.

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                                      [–]el_throwaway_returns 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      I think the top comment said it best. Those advantages are things that everyone should expect. That can't reasonably be considered privilege. Calling it privilege is a disservice to the disadvantages that many minorities in America face.

                                      [–]urection 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      lol if you don't think all that happens to poor people of any colour

                                      [–]PrincessLarry 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      The whole social thing, for me it has a lot more to do with how one presents themselves rather than their skin color. Someone can make me run to the opposite side of the street just based on how they dress, their posture, and body language. Color really has nothing to do with it.

                                      [–]RaddialFox 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      That's always been me too. It's a safety thing. If your walking my direction and I can't even see you because of a hood over your head, me defenses are going to be up. If you have been walking behind me for a good measure of time, my defenses will go up. I agree with you

                                      [–]PalomPorom 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      Can you tell me what you do that requires you to be on the clock from 8am to midnight five days a week?

                                      [–]RaddialFox 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      I work in post production for movies. I work from 9am to 1030am mon-sat but during our "6 month sprint", we usually work from 9am - 2/3am mon - sat with the final month or so of a project bleeding into 7 days a week. It varies from project to project how long that lasts, but yea. In 2013 we worked 7 days a week for 5 months straight.

                                      [–]idledrone6633[🍰] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      I've been pulled out of my car and searched for seemingly no reason as well. I'm white. I've applied for jobs I haven't gotten and I come from a poor background. White privilege is the dumbest thing invented. If I try to apply at a mostly black place, I won't get the job because I'm white.

                                      If I walk through a mostly black neighborhood, I'm being profiled by all the blacks there. White people are bullied in predominately black schools. Racist shit happens to everyone. The real problem is blacks tend to do it to themselves which is a shame.

                                      [–]332i 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      White privilege is a term invented by lazy black people; ie an excuse. Plenty of black people do just as well as any other race in america and you won't hear them say shit about white privilege. It is a term invented by people who live in ghettos, have criminal records, didn't go to or learned much in whatever schooling and so on.

                                      If you replaced the white people who were previously pinned as being white privileged with blacks...then what? It'd just be a society where some people do better than others. Which is reality. It is the way of the world. Pragmatism. Ah, but no. Let's make it a race issue. Blacks create more racial issues than any other race here in America in the current day. There is no way around that. If someone disagrees with my last point, please respond with a reason, rather than just a downvote because you don't like what you/don't want to believe it. I'd really enjoy seeing your reasoning.

                                      [–]lopezandym 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      I'm not saying I agree or disagree. I will say the statement "Blacks create moe racial issues than any other race here in America in the current day" is a statement that doesn't reflect the issue properly.

                                      There is a truth in this country that racial segregation and discrimination existed, and it existed during a time that wasn't generations ago. People were alive during segregation and consequently, integration. Frankly we are just 2-3 weeks away from the 50th anniversary of the Voting Rights Act signed by LBJ that tried to eliminate the many ways blacks were prevented from Voting in elections. The racial issues were "created" a long time ago. I think in this age of social media, there are more outlets for the discriminated to show the discrimination and therefore more exposure to racial issues that may have never gotten national attention before. Does that mean they are "creating" issues? I'm not sure. But I just don't think that statement is completely a fair one.

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                                          [–]sayitinmygoodear 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                          Its annoying that working hard for most of your life and getting a nice place in life is considered white privilege. It cheapens everything you have done by the sweat of your own brow by saying it wasn't by your own power you got on top.

                                          [–]Stile4aly 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          Unless you live on a desert island and you're connecting to Reddit via some elaborate homemade coconut computer, nothing you accomplish is solely the result of your effort alone. We are part of a society and the way we treat each other may open or close certain doors. Likewise, the way our ancestors treated each other may have opened or closed certain doors. Acknowledging that many white people experience certain societal benefits that many people of color may not isn't denigrating to you; it's a recognition of reality.

                                          [–]sayitinmygoodear 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          My ancestors were Irish/English, we didn't get hand outs and worked for everything we have, it doesn't mean a warm shit what color we were. If you have the desire to get ahead you will regardless of whatever excuse people are using now to justify their own shortcomings.

                                          [–]Duke_of_New_York 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          "I grew up with no hugs!" Love you, Billy.

                                          [–]dan_why 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          If the value of your opinion is based solely on the mis-founture you've inherited due to the circumstances of our birth and therefore your lack of privilege, then the smartest people in the world should technically be Children dying from Malnutrition in Somalia.

                                          Discussions and learning is about a pissing contest of who's had it tougher, but a willingness to put aside who a person is, to listen to what they have to say.

                                          [–]hahadummy 20ポイント21ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                          Well... the white privilege argument is not that the lives of white people are fuckin' awesome. Not sure where he picked that up. It is simply that white people--other things being equal--don't have to put up with as much social, political, and economic barriers as other disadvantaged groups. I've never understood why this is such a complex idea to grasp.

                                          [–]DiscoHippo 10ポイント11ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                          White privilege is not the problem. Minority disadvantage is the problem. White people not being hassled by the police is not the problem, white people not being incarcerated is not the problem, etc. The problem is not with white people, so why frame it as a white problem?

                                          We shouldn't be trying to bring white people down, we should be bringing others up. The term "white privelege" is purely combative and unhelpful.

                                          We need to see it and address it honestly at face value: it is minority disadvantage. That is the problem we want to fix, nothing else.

                                          [–]SonOfSusquehannah 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          All of this makes me think of a line from Ned Stark. "What you want isn't justice, it's vengeance..." Using the term white privilege makes it sound like people want vengeance on social injustices to minorities not that they actually want to "fix" anything. It is in every way on the whole a combative term. You hear people saying they are "fighting" against white privilege. So if we are fighting AGAINST something how isn't it combative? If we are all moving towards or simply fighting FOR equality and that zero line it makes all the difference in peoples initial response and approach to this matter. Some here argue that semantics means nothing but that's a ridiculous statement. It's the same as me making a judgment about someone based on my first time seeing them. We as humans do this instinctually. You see people and make a judgement. Then your self talk comes into your head and says "yeah but he's just like you asshole". And yes, that's what we all need to work towards. However, my statement remains the same we all still do it. Like it or not you're a fucking animal and so am I. So to bring this full circle, the impression you get the first time you hear or read something is the same as the one you have the first time you see something. Hell, it doesn't even have to be about people...make it about dogs or plants. Whatever you need to fucking do. We judge, it's engrained. The thing we need to do is act like the "CIVILIZED" animals we make ourselves out to be and make the mental note to disregard that judgement of people and things. My point being that we make this same judgement when hearing or reading something...only that judgement is way more harsh in my opinion than the one we are actually discussing.

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                                            [–]Prescript2 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                            It is not complex, I ask why define as advantages for some what should be dealt with as discrimination against others?

                                            [–]foshogun 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            If there isn't a real difference then it's a semantic one and who cares what you call it?

                                            [–]Prescript2 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            The semantics define the focus which should be on the discrimination not crying over not being discriminated against.

                                            [–]foshogun 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Is it not a 'privilege' to be free from most discrimination? That's kind of the point I thought.

                                            [–]bbbeans 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            yes! thank you!

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                                              [–][deleted] 17ポイント18ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                              I've been surrounded by 'victims' of social injustice my entire life. I hate to break it to you but spending 20% of your paycheck on drugs/alcohol, 20% on rental furniture/electronics, and then eating out every day is not the institution. It's poor choices.

                                              And before someone tells me some garbage about having children, that was a poor choice too. Either you were irresponsible with contraceptives or you were irresponsible thinking you could raise a child on $100 a month. Kids are expensive and you shouldn't take it lightly.

                                              Rest assured that if you choose to be a shithead and live in a shitty part of town you will get equally shitty treatment white or otherwise. It's not rocket science.

                                              Here's my advice, if you have kids, raise them to care about their future and keep them out of trouble by any means possible. If you don't have kids, then keep it that way until you can live in a neighborhood without a coke dealer.

                                              But then again, I'm just some white male who grew up around these people, what would I know.

                                              [–]SaltyPeach 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              Make smart decisions and take responsibilities? Get out of here with that nonsense!

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                                                [–]FukDwiCare 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                Saving this page to come back later and read the comments.

                                                I look forward to what I assume will be a rational and well constructed debate on what is actually a good point from Bill Burr.

                                                [–]stinkerb 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Bull Burr is not afraid to stand up and tell it like it is. A true modern day warrior in a sea of pissy-pants cowards.

                                                [–]Pontus_Pilates 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                Am I'm missing the /s at the end? Because if not, someone should explain him what white privilege actually means.

                                                [–]Sluggocide 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                Is being able to walk a privilege when you meet a flight of stairs knowing some people can't walk? Or are the people who can't walk at a disadvantage because stairs exist and they are a group that can't use them? Being white is not a privilege, otherwise it would cancel itself out every time who white people had to compete for something. White people have been in Europe slaughtering each other for centuries, never did they get together and go "hey, idiots, we're all the chosen people and we all deserve whatever we want, so lets band together and oppress the world!" The whitest of the white up in ireland have been murdering each other systematically in modern times without a hint of recognizing their lives should be great because they are white.

                                                [–]bbbeans 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                Being white is not a privilege, otherwise it would cancel itself out every time who white people had to compete for something

                                                What? What does "cancel itself out" even mean?

                                                White privilege means all other things being equal, a white person has it easier than someone who is non-white. It doesn't mean white people got together and made a conscious plan to oppress the world.

                                                [–]Sluggocide 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                All other things equal? First of all that is an impossibility, because that situation cannot exist. 2ndly, if being white is a privilege, how does it apply when in competition with other whites? Where is the privilege in being white in society when you are failing and losing everything because of another white beat you out? Surely you're just as bad off as when a white beats out a minority? Why aren't asians subject to this and beaten down by it?

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                                                    [–]k0mbine 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Ol' Billy White Guy spoutin' some truth yet again

                                                    [–]skepticalrick 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    I pre-empted the fuck!

                                                    [–]_ruinr_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    "Don't tell the Puerto Ricans!"

                                                    I'm Puerto Rican. This made me laugh.

                                                    [–]PrincessLarry 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Maybe a little late to the party here. But why does no one ever talk about the fact that people of different ethnicities often get free rides to college? So long as you've got the want to do it, that door is open. And now I don't know about other companies but I would assume it's about the same as mine, employers are hiring on people of different ethnicities just to make themselves look good for being diverse. Oh, you're from nigeria? Not quite qualified? That's ok, have a job! I've had to work just as hard to get to where I am and prove myself as the ethnic people within my company, and they don't have nearly as much student loan debt as me. I'm sure that they are paid more too.

                                                    [–]BlackTeaLeaves 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    The white supremacists woke up I see

                                                    [–]son_nequitur -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    "White privilege" doesn't mean you have a yacht. It means people look at you differently when you walk into the bank to apply for a loan.

                                                    There is also such a thing as class privilege, and if you are poor, your class privilege might cancel out your white privilege in a lot of situations. So if you're white and you grew up on the "wrong side of the tracks" you might get rejected for that loan as soon as you open your mouth, or when the banker sees your obvious poor person attempt at rich people clothes.

                                                    I don't get why Bill Burr looks at this math and concludes that white privilege doesn't exist. Just because white privilege doesn't universally solve every problem for you doesn't mean it's not a thing.

                                                    If his point is that we need to talk more about class privilege, then FUCKING YES. That should be coming up just as often as gender and race because it's a huge fucking deal. Like where's our first president whose parents didn't go to college? (in modern times) Part of the problem is there are rich women and rich black people, but there are no rich poor people, so it doesn't get the airtime it deserves.

                                                    [–]CheesusRice 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    I think his rant is more to the stereotype. If you flip it and put any other gender/race/ethnicity in there then it's racist/sexist, "how dare you, blah blah blah." He just goes down the rabbit hole with examples for the sake of making it funny.

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