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GOAL[Goal] - We're back baby! #OperationAzureOrbs. Message SB-Nation advertiser Citizen Holdings (self.KotakuInAction)

theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET が 投稿 - stickied post

This is to target Polygon. Citizen is one of the world's largest producers of watches. TDLR message is - you will not be buying Citizen products because of SB-Nation's affiliate sites insulting attitude towards the consumer.

http://wiki.gamergate.me/index.php?title=Projects:Operation_Azure_Orbs

https://archive.is/iNRVV

Evidence of Citizen advertisement:

https://archive.is/r8OlW

Vox owns SB-Nation, Polygon and The Verge. All inter-connected.

So let's see, evidence that Vox and their properties are for the young male audience? Let's have a look:

Polygon

The Verge

  • Calls a Dr. Matt Taylor a misogynist for wearing a T-Shirt of clad women; not only do they assume he is a sexist for wearing such a thing but bully him into an apology - https://archive.is/SlKvz

Vox

So we should contact the advertisers of SB-Nation to show them how they are excluding other men (such as ourselves/others) in their demographic - they exclude other men as we want to support SB-Nation but do not want to support Vox's other properties, which demonize young males, thus we urge advertisers to re-consider whether they want to advertise on a site which hinders market potential; the overlap between techies/gamers into sports websites such as SB-Nation is hindered by this.

To expand on that, this is how you illustrate each point, examples:

  • The Verge attacking Dr. Taylor is quite contradictory given that NFL matches have...cheerleaders; does it make me a misogynist for liking clad cheerleaders? Why does SB-Nation cover such a sport yet their other property demonizes men who like this?
  • Why should I support SB-Nation if Vox's other property Polygon is calling ''all video games stupid''? As a gamer and an NFL fan, I want to support SB-Nation but don't want to give Vox revenue if their parent website Polygon is slandering my hobby and gamer identity
  • Why should I support SB-Nation if Vox media supports imprisoning other males of my age-range?

Example email (don't use this exact wording):

Hello, I am emailing you in regards to your advertisement and association with SB-Nation. While I am a sports fan, this overlaps with my gaming hobby and interest in technology. While SB-Nation is a good site for sports, it is owned by Vox media, which owns other properties for tech and gaming (Polygon, The Verge, Vox).

Vox's properties have constantly slandered the male demographic, such as myself. This is despite the fact that the male demographic is their core audience, the evidence for this:

Polygon admitting core audience are young males (https://archive.is/oklon#selection-919.0-919.34)

The Verge and SB-Nation core audience are young males aged between 18-34:

https://archive.is/Jj3pS#selection-1413.0-1413.10

https://archive.is/AgAQ5#selection-1333.0-1333.10

Despite this, these sites have not only slandered my hobby/the hobbies of many others but also demonized the male demographic.

Polygon has called all video games stupid and insulted the gamer demographic - (https://archive.today/rkvO8) + (https://archive.is/g6FaX#selection-1531.0-1531.38)

Vox has supported laws which demonize young males, and would see young males imprisoned (https://archive.is/pehlQ) + (https://archive.is/fxBbf#selection-957.542-957.609)

And The Verge, ironically libelled a respected Scientist as a 'misogynist' for wearing a T-Shirt of clad women. This incident has now become infamous, yet how can a Vox property slander men for liking clad women yet SB-Nation covers sports which have cheerleaders? Who's primary goal is to look clad for men?

^ https://archive.is/SlKvz

There are many others such as myself who would like to support SB-Nation and Citizen, but are wary with who we give money and revenue to. There are a lot of us who would like to point out that market potential is hindered, SB-Nation is partnered with sites that prevent an overlap in readership between Vox's properties as some of those properties not only openly insult readership, but also demonize the male audience and insult their own readership; in addition to libelling people.

Based on this, I won't be buying Citizen products due to who you advertise with, and I urge you to re-consider advertisement with a media network that that hinders their market potential by insulting the people they claim to appeal to. I will also not be buying any of your products. I will instead consider buying those of competitors. Please reconsider who you advertisement with.

Thanks

Who to contact?

customerservice_us@citizenwatch.com

Phone them if you're up for it.

(800) 321-1023

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[–]DwhyDx 32ポイント33ポイント  (6子コメント)

Kia right now

[–]Angle_of_the_Dangle 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

LET'S FUCKING DO THIS!!!

Hey, /u/theone899 now that we got a sticky, you might want to think about linking to the other two Azure Orb posts you made recently (Heineken and Stetson iirc).

[–]IMULTRAHARDCORE 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Time for ethics!

[–]Stolpa 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Excellent post OP! It's got all the information we need. Writing e-mail now.

[–]Kroljas 17ポイント18ポイント  (45子コメント)

Le sigh, I'm at a bit of a conundrum. Y'see, I have a friend that writes for SB-Nation. We play Warhammer 40k and AoS together. He's a great guy, lots of laughs, so on and so forth. I'm apprehensive about getting involved in this one because of that.

On the other hand, despite trying to be civil with each other, I keep hearing overly SJW and radical things come out of his mouth, and the fact that he writes for SB-Nation while keeping these views, makes me distrust SB-Nation entirely.

Such zingers from him include.

"I hate that SJW is used as a perjorative term."

"Gamergate is so full of shit. They just harrass and torment women."

"Just a bunch of neckbeards complaining that a woman has opinions on video games."

"The gaming scene is SO misogynist." ((This one annoys me, because he refuses to ever play with one of the ladies that frequents our local Games Workshop store, despite her being very fun to play the game with.))

"Anyone that supports men's rights are just idiots." ((I'm not an MRA, but I can't stand the hypocrisy. He complains when someone (((Usually me, Cough))) points at Radfems and their insanity, but stereotypes and insults MRAs that do the same thing.))

So, KiA, what do?

[–]ShadowShadowedDocumented "The Sir Keesian Method" 26ポイント27ポイント  (1子コメント)

Get a divorce, lawyer up, and hit the gym.

[–]AlphaWookie 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

You forgot delete facebook.

[–]Interlapse 33ポイント34ポイント  (0子コメント)

Send emails, disregard crazy guy.

[–]RobertNAdams 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Keep in mind that Jon Stewart and Bill O'Reilly are friends. They disagree on tons of stuff, but they're still friends.

Similarly, Stewart takes the piss out of Fox all the time (and rightfully so). I think that's a similar situation to what you're dealing with here.

It might damage your friendship though. That's something you have to be prepared for. Some people (including those on "your side") are so tightly clung to their ideology that they'll disassociate themselves from people who dare to even criticize them.

[–]crusades2014 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

"The gaming scene is SO misogynist." ((This one annoys me, because he refuses to ever play with one of the ladies that frequents our local Games Workshop store, despite her being very fun to play the game with.))

Can you explain why? Seems bizarre. Don't tell me it's because he thinks she's not a good player or something. I don't think I could contain my sides.

[–]Kroljas 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Lol, well, I went to high school with her, so I've known her for a long time. She shows up for games wearing really low cut shirts, and gets overly excited when she wins. ((Which, honestly, is using the assets that she's got, which I'm fine with.))

His main complaint is that she "Cheeses it." by playing the best army at the time when it comes to the current meta. But she's not a tournament player, so it's irrelevant. Our local gaming community has had problems with power gamers and 'Rule Nazis' before, but we've ousted them.

[–]shinsuke_nakamura 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Where is the girl at when I play games?

Seriously though, I can see your friend throwing a handkerchief over her exposed breast line, and asking for the damsel to hold his white plated steel gloved hand.

[–]DariusJustice 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just talk to him and pick his brain for a while, see where these views are coming from. As a SB-Nation frequent (Arrowhead Pride) I'd assume he doesn't write for a specific team blog, but rather one of those sucky general sections.

In the end, e-mailing is all up to you.

[–]howieloader 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Dude wtf, I play X-Wing and Star Wars Armada and, aside from my wife who occassionally plays X-Wing, if another chick ever wanted to play that would blow my mind... What is wrong with this guy???

[–]Ravanas 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Jesus, somebody else still plays X-Wing?? I'm not alone?! I thought I was alone!!

[–]howieloader 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

My LGS has XWing/Armada night every Thursday with good turnout... Wave 7 plus the Raider seems like its reinviggerating people who might've thought it was starting to grow stale... Its still going pretty strong, imo...

[–]Angle_of_the_Dangle 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Convince your friend to get an irreversible vasectomy. If he is displaying those levels of stupid, we have to start thinking about gene pool at this point.

Once that is done, go home and send your emails.

/s

[–]Mashiki 4ポイント5ポイント  (30子コメント)

So, KiA, what do?

Redpill them.

[–]HariMichaelson 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Le sigh, I'm at a bit of a conundrum. Y'see, I have a friend that writes for SB-Nation. We play Warhammer 40k and AoS together. He's a great guy, lots of laughs, so on and so forth. I'm apprehensive about getting involved in this one because of that."

Then don't get involved in this one. This isn't GamerGhazi where they shoot you for deserting or something.

"On the other hand, despite trying to be civil with each other, I keep hearing overly SJW and radical things come out of his mouth, and the fact that he writes for SB-Nation while keeping these views, makes me distrust SB-Nation entirely."

Sounds like a tool.

"So, KiA, what do?"

The following is how I would handle this issue, were I in your position. I would make use of my normal communications medium to contact this friend, (if we regularly meet in person, this would be a face-to-face) and I would drop an ultimatum on him.

"So, with all the crazy shit you and your place of work have been saying (proceed to list examples) I'm considering shutting all of you down through a massive email campaign. Give me a reason to show mercy. Actually investigate the people you're slandering and investigate their claims, and then reach your own conclusion. Do that, and regardless of what that conclusion is, I won't participate in the email campaign. Don't, and I will gleefully join in that email campaign."

Then obviously, depending on the answer, I would have made my decision.

[–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Debunk him. Tell him that only a minority of tweets from GG hashtag were harassing whereas those against GG were more harassing/higher in quantity. Point out that GG donated to Fine Young Capitalists and that we raised money for a rape victim.

Point out that there are many minorities/women in GG. Basically, challenge him - ask for proof when he says ''GG harasses women''.

[–]sean_seany 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cross Posted on GGHQ . had to trim the body a little to fit on the board. Hope you dont mind /u/theone899 ?

Lets get to it SeaLions !

[–]EmoryM 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've never read Polygon, are there good examples of them criticizing Japanese developers? I wanted to write an email which was more about Polygon hating Japanese culture (and games!)

Do we keep a list of shitty Polygon articles somewhere, indexed by topic?

[–]mnemosyne-0000#BotYourShield 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Archive links for this post:

I am Mnemosyne, goddess of memory. I remember so you don't have to.

[–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're good, but not as good as PreserverBot.

[–]Temias 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well why not. After all, Citizen could be glad about getting some fresh feedback on what kind of shit their money goes to.

[–]Davidisontherun 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hard to justify a purchase of their watch that is celebrating space exploration when they advertise with companies bullying scientists.

[–]LifeThirdTier 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Finally, something aside from mindless bitching. This is the Gamergate I signed up for!

[–]SnatchTease 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

sent

[–]weltallic 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not living in America, does anyone here know what the practical impact was of the whole "contact Rush Limbaugh's advertisers, tell them you won't buy their products" thing?

It was a while back, and quite a big thing, I recall. Every dropped advertiser made the news aggregator sites I read at the time. Whatever happened with that? Were there permanant changes, or did advertisers pull back, only to resub later?

[–]HariMichaelson 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rush was damn-near destroyed by that campaign. His reach is much shorter than what it once was. Sure, people still listen to him, but he has been dropped from so many stations it's kind of hilarious.

[–]The_King_of_Pants 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Last time i listened to Rush his ads were all PSAs and dead air.

[–]Calbeck 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the focus and wording is too "buzzwordy" --- but I just rewrote it to my own specs anyways. I recommend everyone do that... in no case should we be repeating each other anyways, as originality and speaking from the heart have more impact than 5,000 slight variants on the same phraseology.

[–]scionesciam 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't participate in this. So I say: Good luck everyone. Let's hope it's effective.

[–]Zero132132 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

My e-mailin' fingers are out of practice. It's been a while, but let's do this!

[–]sensual_rustleReminder: Hold your spaghetti 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Woot! Things might be getting better!

[kek. Doubtful but let's see]

[–]mansplain -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

wane and wait for alternate methods of attack.

[–]AlphaWookie 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Done and done

[–]snakeInTheClock 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wait, two sticky posts at the same time? Reddit can do that? %)

Also, sent.

[–]realityengine 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let's be real, why not just call it operation blue balls?

[–]YosharianWalks around backward with his sword on his hip 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pleasure Palace of the B'thuvian Demon Whore

[–]mnemosyne-0000#BotYourShield 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Archive links for this discussion:

I am Mnemosyne, goddess of memory. I remember so you don't have to.

[–]EatAllThePoop -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

You guys are going to spam advertisers because you're pissed over a half-dozen opinion pieces? Seriously? Sometimes people are going to disagree with you, dudes. Grow up and get over it.

[–]TRPACC 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thats generally what happens when people write hate propaganda targeting a group to their biological features .

You don't just get over fascists on the rise , the correct thing to do is oppose them .

[–]Teenymcweeny -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

For a group that I thought was in part about campaigning against censorship doesn't it seem strange to petition a company to cut ties with sites because you don't like what they are saying?

[–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's more than ''I don't like what they are saying'' - a video gaming website calling it's own audience stupid and dead will warrant a response; they violated their responsibility.

[–]Teenymcweeny -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Their responsibility to not state an opinion different from your own? The article that says video games are stupid is actually a fairly positive review of rock band 4 from a person who clearly doesn't like music based video games. It's irresponsible to apply that one persons opinion to an entire website, especially one that I reckon thinks video games are rather important.

[–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, I was referring to Polygon smearing gamers as dead - insulting one's own audience is just stupid. The fact that advertisers pulled out as a consequence of that is a testament to it.

If you run a website and smear the audience you're writing for, then consumers are within their right to voice complaints. Imagine if a sports website smeared their fans as dumb? The readers would be within their rights to voice complaints.

Voicing a different opinion would be ''I don't like this game because...'' whereas saying ''gamers are dead'' and attacking the audience of the medium you are writing for is a bizzare and asinine thing to do.

[–]UberAndrewMore traps than Ghazi -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

If the companies choose to continue to do business with they people that's their own choice, we're not forcing anyone.

We're simply letting them know what their partners stand for.

[–]squdgey -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

"ethics"