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AllAddressing the moderation of r/smashbros (self.smashbros)

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How is quality OC like https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/3d8m4n/how_evo_2015_is_going_to_go/ removed due to being classified as a "shitpost"? I think the removal of content that many users on the sub enjoyed thoroughly should at least be grounds for discussion, not immediate action due to some steadfast rule...

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[–]BeagleBagelWhatever 132ポイント133ポイント  (58子コメント)

I like how it was deleted after garnering 1000+ upvotes and inciting mass hilarity in the comments.

The only reason I can think it would be removed is it would entice other people to spam the sub with stuff just like that.

[–]/r/smashgifsahampster 56ポイント57ポイント  (40子コメント)

The thing is you can't use the upvotes something gets to justify an exception to the rules. What you should focus on is the interpretation of the rules, because total garbage gets upvoted to the top on every large subreddit form time to time.

That being said, in regards to the stories people think up I've only seen really good/genuinely funny ones hit the front page, and the awful ones die off in the new queue. Hopefully a more black and white rule clarification can come from this.

[–]BASS RATTLE STARS OUT THE SKYSapharodon[M] 38ポイント39ポイント  (39子コメント)

The thing is you can't use the upvotes something gets to justify an exception to the rules. What you should focus on is the interpretation of the rules, because total garbage gets upvoted to the top on every large subreddit form time to time.

Exactly. It doesn't matter if a bunch of people thought it was funny or amusing - if it broke the rules, it broke the rules. It was pretty blatantly a joke post even if a ton of effort went into it. This kind of post, even if it did take a ton of effort, is more suited to /r/smashcirclejerk than here. Hell, I'd even suggest you repost it there.

Now, whenever the mods say something like this, someone else chips in, "well, you let this other joke post slide once!" And you're right - sometimes we mess up and miss posts. Sometimes posts are in grey areas (eSports Express, for example) and we vary on how we handle them - we're still trying to figure out more black and white ground rules for this stuff ourselves. It happens, the mods aren't perfect, and we're always striving to improve. But that still isn't justification to let other rulebreaking posts slide too.

I wasn't the mod who removed that original post, but I think the deletion decision was correct. It sucks because, well, I actually found the post to be really funny. But just because a post is amusing and took a lot of effort doesn't mean it warrants staying up, especially when it's blatantly breaking a subreddit rule.

[–]MillerDaLite 17ポイント18ポイント  (13子コメント)

I think the problem comes from people not being clear on what a shit post is a think a shit post is inherently easy to make

[–]BASS RATTLE STARS OUT THE SKYSapharodon[M] 18ポイント19ポイント  (12子コメント)

The thing is that rule 1A says "memes and joke posts." The post that was removed, shitpost or not, was definitely a joke post. Being long winded and articulate doesn't stop it from being a joke.

I personally wouldn't call it a shitpost, since some genuine effort went into it and a sincere attempt at telling a fun, satirical story, though essentially fanfiction. But it was still a large, elaborate humour post grounded in Smasher memes and inside jokes. I liked it and thought it was super funny myself, but I can agree that it broke a rule and should be removed, or at least reposted to a more appropriate sub like SCJ.

[–]Thesilense 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This point is extremely minor, but I think you should make rule 1A its own separate rule. As it stands, it could easily be read as "low quality joke posts" rather than "joke posts."

[–]sevenmd 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just a heads up, wording it as "meme and joke posts" makes me think no joke memes or meme-like images. It doesn't make me think of all jokes as being forbidden, such as the elaborate funny text post being discussed.

I might word it separately. "No meme posts" followed by "No joke posts". Something like that.

[–]BASS RATTLE STARS OUT THE SKYSapharodon[M] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe. I'll bring it up with the other mods and see how we can clarify it, or rectify it if necessary.

[–]chaoshavok 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for not letting this sub become a total shithole like /r/leagueoflegends

[–]IstheLieReallyaCake 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd argue The Longest Joke in the World is a short story of sorts, but, alas, that gets into literary philosophy.

Also, have you guys considered hiring a community manager? I'd argue that's the biggest component to running a large forum.

[–]WHY ARE U READING FLAIRSbunnymeninc 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

sidebar: can that same type of attitude be applied to the comments?

not an insult or dig or anything, I'm wondering why they are so common.

[–]BASS RATTLE STARS OUT THE SKYSapharodon[M] 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

We try to handle as many meme/lenny face/bot spam/etc threads in the comments that we can. We really do. But for every thread that exists on this sub, there's an exponentially higher number of comments to moderate - and we only have so many people to do that with. It's helpful when people report mass chains of meme comments and stuff, but generally that doesn't happen. All we can do is actively monitor every big thread existing at any time to make sure those things don't bury any actual discussion. I don't know if we have the sheer manpower necessary to moderate comment sections like we do posts.

Plus, we do try and be a bit more laid back when it comes to comments. Comments are where people chat, bounce ideas off of each other, etc - we try and be a bit less restrictive.

[–]NNID:pidgezero_one||3DS:3110-7180-7058||Brawl/PM:5202-9106-3435MoonbasesYourComment 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

lenny face

Oh gosh, that's one hell of an elephant in the room

[–]BASS RATTLE STARS OUT THE SKYSapharodon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

sorry homie i didn't mean it like that

[–]reese_ridley 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

do you guys have an automod filter on threads/comments? in /r/blackpeopletwitter we had a huge problem with this kind of meme spam so we filtered out for key phrases, now low effort posts like "no chill fam" and "savage bruh" are automatically removed without having to do any work

alternatively, it helps to have a LOT of active mods

[–]BASS RATTLE STARS OUT THE SKYSapharodon[M] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We do, but I don't know how aggressively we use it since I'm usually not the one who handles bots/code/CSS/etc. Now that you mention it, we should probably be using that more aggressively to handle some of these problems. It won't fix everything, but it might be a start.

[–]scipia 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is there a rule that bans fanfiction? Because that's all that it was.

[–]ikillspacies 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

and clearly, this sub needs to be taken seriously, between its ten thousand links of rumors that may or may not have happened

[–]dokkanosaur 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

I think the more salient point here is "Why are there rules that actively misrepresent what this community wants?"

Rules get made to make sure everyone has a good time. If people are having a good time but the rules won't allow it, the rules need to be changed or modified.

[–]BASS RATTLE STARS OUT THE SKYSapharodon[M] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We try and keep rules that allow content that makes people happy while keeping the subreddit orderly and of (generally) high quality content.

But the problem is that a lot of people out there really, really like easily digested amusement posts more than anything else. Because of Reddit's structure as a website, this allows lower quality amusement posts to bury higher quality posts as a result. If we want to maintain any level of quality discussion and submissions on this sub, we gotta curb the amusement posts once in a while. The mods aren't willing to let this place devolve in quality just so that nobody loses out on jokes.

[–]NNID:pidgezero_one||3DS:3110-7180-7058||Brawl/PM:5202-9106-3435MoonbasesYourComment 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Why are there rules that actively misrepresent what this community wants?"

I don't think that's a fair point -- many of the rules are in place to prevent this sub from becoming Smash-flavoured /r/gaming. A joke post may get 1,000 upvotes, but out of 170,000+ subscribers, how many more of them don't really want that?

[–]Loyal2NES -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Rules are made to keep order, set standards, and shape a community in the direction envisioned by its leaders. "A good time" doesn't enter into it.

[–]ikillspacies [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"A good time" doesn't enter into it.

moot point, because that is the direction moderators kind of want. that's sort of why this is an argument, because people are arguing if the ends (having a good, fun community) justify the means (having to take out some fun things for the sake of ensuring it doesn't quickly multiply into madness) for this particular rule

[–]gooberdude [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Are you being serious? Literally we all play and watch Smash Bros to have a good time. This is a completely recreational endeavor. The rules should be here to make sure we keep having a good time and presumably that is what they are here for. The reason memes and shitposts are unwanted are because they would eventually ruin people's enjoyment of the sub. Don't get so far into this you forget what we're here for..

[–]MarfFelixTheLeo 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

And people constantly posting false rumors about M2K is not shitposting? Interesting.

[–]BASS RATTLE STARS OUT THE SKYSapharodon[M] 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

When did I ever say that false rumours are okay?

By definition it isn't shitposting as shitposting is just intentionally posting stupid shit for laughs. But I agree that they're poor posts and we work our asses off to remove overly dubious Tweet threads when we can. Hell, we've been working on figuring out how to handle Tweets before EVO, because god knows that's going to wind up a dramafest somehow, too.

[–]MarfFelixTheLeo 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

I just wish all the drama causing nonsense posts would get removed before they blow up and sometimes fuck people over. This is not to say that the mod team is not trying to preserve the quality of posts on this sub, just that sometimes the posts that are voted highest (and left un-removed) do not pertain the game(s) nor contribute any value or entertainment.

[–]BASS RATTLE STARS OUT THE SKYSapharodon[M] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

The example you linked - honestly, if I could go back in time, I would have deleted the original post that started it immediately. It was a horrible that it even managed to blow up the way it did, but by the time we realised what an impact it had created, we were swamped in drama, accusations, rage and chaos - and basically had to allow both parties to at least state their side of the story before shutting the topic down.

Often discussion on community stuff - be it competitive community, casual community, etc - is pretty damn worthwhile. You can only really talk about the raw games for so long before you wanna hear about what others are doing with them, too. But yeah, posts like the whole PBnJ drama is something we're definitely cracking down on from here on out.

[–]MarfFelixTheLeo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

People love to shit on this sub, but honestly, if the mod team wasn't as active or smart enough we would become the pit that is r/LeagueOfLegends. You guys have a tough job as this community continues to grow, bringing benefits and detriments alike. If your team needs help managing the number of people posting, don't hesitate to ask for help via reporting/flagging and adding new mods (maybe do the latter on the DL).

Although the majority of this sub can be, and are, mouth breathers; there are some people here who care about the health of the community and are willing to help out. Respect to you and the mod team for trying to remove most of the toxicity that FGCs attract.

[–]WHY ARE U READING FLAIRSbunnymeninc 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

ban them. even if its only temporary it will stop gifs 2.0 from happening.

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    [–]BASS RATTLE STARS OUT THE SKYSapharodon[M] 9ポイント10ポイント  (9子コメント)

    I'm not anti-fun. Hell, I don't even like how the rule is written "no jokes as a whole." But that's something the mod team as a whole has to tackle in a way that's both reasonable and doesn't get abused by the sub as it grows. For the time being, that's the rule. I'm sorry that I can't do more than that.

    [–]SinceBecausePickles 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Honestly is it really that bad of an idea to lock removing content behind a certain amount of upvotes? Low-effort shitposts that only gather max a chuckle from people reading it probably only get 10-30 upvotes max. The post OP is talking about that got removed is top quality content, hilarious, a breath of fresh air, and in no way degrades the quality of the subreddit compared to the daily "how do I get gud" posts. And I imagine the point of mods moderating the subreddit is that it doesn't degrade into low-effort and low-quality posts, so removing that post is IMO uncalled for.

    You guys should test run a rule that locks content from removal after a threshold of 200 or so upvotes after a certain amount of hours, just to see what happens.

    [–]BASS RATTLE STARS OUT THE SKYSapharodon[M] 8ポイント9ポイント  (7子コメント)

    I... am wary. Just because a large mass of people like something doesn't mean it's good content. This is literally the subreddit that upvoted a picture of Captain Falcon to the top of /all once just for shits and giggles.

    I know this example is different because, honestly, it was well written and funny while not being low-effort. I'm honestly sad to see it go, and wish I could justify making it an exception. But the mods do have to remain consistent with rules if they expect anyone to take them seriously.

    [–]Windy-kunWindy-kun 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I feel like the mods around here just can't really win. No matter how you guys try to uphold the rules, people end up complaining about it somehow. Regardless of how people are reacting, you guys did uphold the rules and even if it wasn't a popular decision, it still had to be made.

    [–]ikillspacies -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

    and did that single image of captain falcon somehow ruin the subreddit as a whole? did the subreddit break in half and die off because a single goofy image was upvoted?

    you're trying to speak as if these aren't just things that pop up every once in a while, like they've infested the subreddit when they're literally just a single post in a sea of thousands of posts

    [–]BASS RATTLE STARS OUT THE SKYSapharodon[M] 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

    The subreddit didn't die. But that particular post was actually a catalyst for a lot of the rule changes that came about afterwards, along with a lot of the other low quality posts and joke threads that were being largely applauded at the time. During that time on the subreddit, it was just swamped with low quality posts - probably a byproduct of the massive population influx that the sub had seen during the Smash 4 prerelease hype. The subreddit was, yes, in really horrible shape, because moderation was so much weaker then than it is now. Allowing dumb posts to pass by just because a lot of people like them helped feed that problem.

    [–]ikillspacies -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

    During that time on the subreddit, it was just swamped with low quality posts - probably a byproduct of the massive population influx that the sub had seen during the Smash 4 prerelease hype.

    ...and a single post that was allowed somehow heavily caused this? are you sure that wasn't the fact that you still then allowed it once it started being a nuisance?

    like... do you not realize what I'm getting at here? it's okay to have a little of some silly things. it's okay for the moderation team to reflect that. this just flat-out gives the implication that you (or, more specifically, the moderation team in general) don't know how much is too much, which is a problem with the moderation team more than it will ever be a problem with the community

    [–]NNID: FureaucracyHadodan 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Can't really have upvotes decide things like that. Remember the Captain Falcon pic?

    [–]SinceBecausePickles 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

    That rarely happens though, and one post like that (that most people thought deserved thousands of upvotes) definitely doesn't reduce the quality of the subreddit.

    [–]Reesch 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    But if one person gets to do it, everyone should get to. And we don't want everyone just posting worthless content.

    [–]GlowingOrangeOoze 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I don't think this is a valid line of reasoning. This is basically why there's a rule against rampant memage.

    [–]Reesch -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

    That's literally what I'm saying. People just follow the trend and half the posts would be idiotic stories for a day or two. If we have a rule against it, nobody gets to do it. If one person gets to break a rule, the rule should be discarded.

    [–]mentemunoz 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    thats not how it works, and it doesn't make any sense. you are talking as if there was no objective way to tell apart shitpost (real shitpost, meaning it's SHIT and it doesn't contirbute anything) from posts that obviously propose something interesting and new. let me remind you that the first and upmost factor that decides which posts are worthy, is the people on reddit. so rules like "no shitposting" are made to steer the content of this subreddit, and also to address specific situations when a REALLY SHITTY POST would get tons of upvotes. which in this case, it obviously isn't.

    [–]Reesch [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    It is not the absolute worst post ever, and plenty of people enjoyed it, but you have to draw a line. People don't like that the mods put it on the bad side of the line and now they're terrible.

    This is absurd.

    [–][US] sboles66sboles66 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Remember the "how do I use the final smash" post? And how they tried to do again like 2 days later?

    [–]gooberdude 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I had the same feeling when the "Space Jam Aliens steal the Top 5 players powers, which five players do you send to win them back?" thread I made was removed after hitting the top of the front page and generating like 300+ comments. There was an awesome mix of both jokes and serious discussion about the players just under the top 5. I'm still not sure what rule it broke, it was just an fun way of framing the "Who's rank 6-10 in Melee?" discussion.

    Dunno why they waited so long to make the decision to remove, I mean they obviously knew about the post considering the very mod that removed it made one of the first, and top voted comments.

    Don't get me wrong, I have a ton of respect for all the work you do mods to keep /r/smashbros[2] free of shitposts and I totally get your intent most of the time. But dang. Still salty about that one :/

    [–]Windy-kunWindy-kun 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Probably had to discuss whether or not it was deletion worthy before they decided to put their foot down and say, yeah it's gotta go. I can only assume they decided they have to be quicker and more decisive after that the next time it happened.

    [–]gooberdude 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The strangest part was that the post was "un-removed" like 10 hours later, and was briefly back on the front page for a bit before decaying away. I didn't get any messages from the mods after the ones that informed me of the initial removal though, so I can't really say why.

    [–][US] sboles66sboles66 44ポイント45ポイント  (22子コメント)

    Once one person does it, 15 other people will be posting their shitty stories too. It happens a lot around here.

    [–]John_Q_Nippleton_III 14ポイント15ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Ah, just like /r/dota2

    [–]Winnarly[M] 35ポイント36ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Bingo. I even like these types of posts and I think they shouldn't be on /r/smashbros.

    Source: head mod of /r/smashcirclejerk

    [–]Cheeriosmultigrain_cheerios 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

    You do you, winnarly. Mod team is doing a pretty good job of at least monitoring posts to keep this place from being completely worthless

    [–]Winnarly 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

    /r/smashbros bucket list:

    ☑ Not completely worthless

    [–]Reesch 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This place is impossible to moderate and you guys pull it off pretty well. You do a good job.

    [–]ikillspacies 1ポイント2ポイント  (16子コメント)

    I like the idea that we're treating the subreddit like it consists entirely of infants with no self-control

    oh yeah, this one funny post will clearly just turn us into a sack of raving loons

    [–][US] sboles66sboles66 4ポイント5ポイント  (13子コメント)

    It has in the past. A lot. I remember people specifically doing stuff like "X character as a girl" or "X character as black" or whatever. You can pretend that an anarchist world can sustain quality all you want, but the past shows that it can't.

    [–]ikillspacies 0ポイント1ポイント  (12子コメント)

    then you have a moderation team that understands how to have enough of it?

    this is slippery slope as fuck, there is no reason to not allow a bit of something if it's clear people enjoy it

    [–]Reesch 1ポイント2ポイント  (11子コメント)

    You must not see very many subs get big. There's a reason people hate it when their favorite subs become default: it literally always goes to trash. Every single time. That's why /r/science and /r/AskHistorians are incredibly heavy-handed. They have to be for the sub to be good.

    [–]ikillspacies 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

    no, they do that in order for the sub to be accurate. honestly, how can you genuinely compare the historical accuracy of important events to fucking super smash bros?

    [–]Reesch -1ポイント0ポイント  (9子コメント)

    I'm talking about the rules. If you think the post that was deleted really was so amazing that it should be allowed to break the rules, I don't want to discuss it.

    [–]ikillspacies 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

    jesus christ can you strawman any harder

    moderators should know how to control it so there's not too much without gutting any enjoyment of it. that's the entire point I'm making here, the rules are shit

    [–][US] sboles66sboles66 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You and the mods have 2 different views. This sub isn't just for literally all smashbros content, they have a specific amount of quality they want to maintain on this sub and that post didn't meet their quality expectations.

    [–]Reesch -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

    You have no idea what it's like to moderate a subreddit, let alone one this big. You seem to expect these guys who volunteer their time to making a forum for quality content to somehow make everything perfect. It will never be perfect. No sub ever will. The rules are so far from bad you don't even know.

    You just want to whine like half the people reading this thread. It is not as easy to make rules and regulations that satisfy everyone as you seem to think. You're being dumb.

    [–]ikillspacies 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

    okay cool, just respond with ten times the strawman

    if you want to pretend I'm a crying baby for pointing out the flaws in a large community forum's rules, be my guest. the fact of the matter is, it's a poorly done rule, all I'm doing is pointing out, and trying to paint me like I just kicked ten puppies for acknowledging it is pretty immature

    [–]John_Q_Nippleton_III 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I like the idea that we're treating the subreddit like it consists entirely of infants with no self-control

    Cause it is

    [–]ikillspacies 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    maybe you should help by adding to the pile of condescending walls of text over how terrible everyone you don't like in /r/smashbros is for having opinions you don't want

    [–]NNID: SethClyan || 3DSFC: 0989-2838-4409sethclyan 23ポイント24ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Quality satire/joke posts like the one in question should be allowed like how it's allowed in /r/leagueoflegends.

    Some examples:

    http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2t2y96/2017_urgot_rework_is_released/

    http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/3d9ns2/the_problem_with_being_a_marksman/

    Rule one deletes low quality posts, but this thread wasn't low effort or low quality to any extent. While controversial tweets are up-voted to the top daily with no interruption.

    Edit: Wrong on the last part, low quality = joke posts/memes in all cases as stated and not necessarily just low effort posts. So it should've been deleted in that case, but I'm arguing that satire, joke posts should be allowed if they are high quality like the thread in question.

    [–]hounvs 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

    It was a meme/joke posts which is against the rules. Just because you picked out a rule that it didn't break doesn't mean it didn't break another.

    [–]SinceBecausePickles 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    He's saying it SHOULD be the other rule.

    [–]hounvs 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    No, read his last sentence.

    He's saying /r/lol allows it, we should too. proposing a change to current rules.

    His next statement is about it being allowed under current rules, which it's not.

    [–]NNID: SethClyan || 3DSFC: 0989-2838-4409sethclyan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah i was wrong on that part, it may have not been low effort/quality in my opinion but it was still a joke post and breaks the stated rules. My b

    Edit: edited my comment, thanks for replying

    [–]sm4shMarioToasterzMakeToast 37ポイント38ポイント  (6子コメント)

    NOOOOO THAT WAS PURE LITERARY ART

    DID ANYONE SAVE IT? WE ALL NEED TO DOCUMENT THIS SOMEWHERE

    BRING IT BACK MODS, OR WE RIOT

    [–]ynglv 42ポイント43ポイント  (4子コメント)

    http://pastebin.com/vSGJuNbW

    [–]kpecc99 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You da real winner of EVO 2015

    [–]CannaSwiss 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Not gonna lie I was expecting crap, but that was kinda entertaining

    [–]sm4shMarioToasterzMakeToast 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thank you ily

    [–]torshitamorfos2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    the real MVP

    [–]BeagleBagelWhatever 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

    OP is posting his pastebin in the comments, check there

    [–]MillerDaLite 13ポイント14ポイント  (9子コメント)

    It's really high quality fluff it took legitimate effort to write. We have plenty of other similar content on here like that 20XX time line. I think it easily falls under the mods vision of the sub as a catch all Smash subreddit like how r/Pokemon is except there's definitely a higher competitive scene presences here

    [–]#neverstopHUHingvoidFunction 11ポイント12ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Which mod has ever said they wanted the subreddit to be like /r/pokemon?

    [–]MillerDaLite -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

    They said they wanted it to be a catch all sub reddit for smash in general and I think a little extra emphasis on the competition

    [–]#neverstopHUHingvoidFunction 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Who said that, and when? The last year has been a strong push to keep /r/smashbros quality above that of many other large subreddits. If it has ever been a mod's vision to be like /r/pokemon, then that vision has changed.

    [–]MillerDaLite 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I was making the comparison as Winnay said in some long video about the subreddit he wanted the sub to be a catch all sub reddit for smash while not devolving into easily consumable post.

    [–]Winnarly 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Being a catch all sub doesn't mean being /r/pokemon. We want to appeal to a wide range of players, but also maintain a relatively high level of quality.

    [–]MillerDaLite 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    clearly a bad comparison then edit maybe we just need anouther sub-subreddit for legitimate smash humor.

    [–]Greidam 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Oh lord please no don't ever say we're like r/pokemon

    Especially in the dark ages that was the rock bottom we refused to hit

    [–]reese_ridley 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I've moderated a few subreddits in my time, and the common trend has always been that the less you moderate the content, the lower the quality of content posted becomes. Reddit's voting algorithms cater heavily to a short attention span so the moderator's job is to ensure that quality content has a chance to thrive- with open season moderation all we'd see is fanart, memes, tweets, and other assorted shitposts instead of great stuff like that "laser damage against Hbox" post the other day.

    anyway, all hail our glorious overlords, this place could be a lot worse

    [–]Reesch 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    a few subreddits

    Only 142. nbd

    [–]WSFpower 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I would classify that post as a work of art

    [–]Thesilense 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Honestly my problem with the deletion of the post is the rule itself. The rule is: No Low Quality Posts. It then says "including..." The problem is, as is apparent in this thread, not all joke posts are automatically low quality. I myself didn't find the post particularly funny, but I DID think it was well thought out and high quality.

    The rule ought to be reconsidered or separated out to actually make sense.

    [–]MARFpfSonata 21ポイント22ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Although I don't think it should have been deleted, it was pretty stupid. The kind of thing I found funny when I was like 13. So, calling is a shitpost isn't too far off.

    [–]d4b3ss 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    i can totally ignore stuff I don't like though so I didn't care but you're definitely kind of right

    [–]LeagueOfVideo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If the Mods had allowed the post to remain it could have caused more people to post similar things, in which case it might become harder to ignore.

    [–]Silvermane714 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Ah, of course! We can only allow true INTELLECTUAL humour into our subreddits! Mayhaps if we let such immature posts slide, we would all descend into madness and become plebeians. Thank you, kind sir, for defending our collective sense of humour. tips hat

    [–]Wii U: drdevicemdNico_is_not_a_god 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

    If fanart is allowed, "fan fiction" should be allowed. I'm certain it took just as much creative effort and time on behalf of the dude who wrote that story as it took for someone to draw a picture of rosalina.

    That said, I was against the fanart unban. I just want consistency.

    [–]RidiculousNicholas55 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Pretty sure fanart isn't allowed here anymore, it has its own sub now.

    [–]Wii U: drdevicemdNico_is_not_a_god [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    It is now, as self posts. Unfortunately, in my opinion.

    [–]SarcasticLizard 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    But they really are shitposts. They started with 4chan posts about half life 3 being revealed at e3 (you know, "suddenly gaben is lowered via crane onto the stage. he utters a single phrase: I hope it was worth the weight. a new era of gaming blah blah blah"). they were reposted on reddit and got really popular for some reason. They all read the same way. They're shitposts.

    [–]Winnarly[M] 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    For the sake of transparency, we received a modmail message contesting the post's removal and this was my response:

    Afraid I'm going to have to back up Cyclops on this one. Like it or not, that was a shitpost. We see them all the time on /r/dota2, and although they are often clever and funny, that's simply not the type of content we allow here.

    As for the meme concerns, that is something we've discussed openly, repeatedly, and at tremendous length. Our stance on allowing memes is not going to change.

    [–]ZeroBlindDragon 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

    For the sake of clarification, I was the one who sent the modmail and this is the response I received... from you.

    All I can say is that I am deeply disappointed in this response. I feel like a lot of what I said was simply ignored. What am I supposed to do when I can't get a decent reply from the moderation team? )=

    This is the modmail I sent.

    I have a moderation issue against TheCyclops for his decision to remove ReverendAK's post titled "How EVO 2015 is going to go".

    His arguments for the removal of the post are as follow:

    "We can't just allow things that are popular. The front page would be covered in memes if we did. [...] It directly breaks rule 1a which is quite explicitly written."

    First, I request that you explain me how is it breaking Rule 1A. It wasn't a low-quality post : the user spent hours writing it. It wasn't a meme nor a joke post. It was a genuine story. It was a piece of fiction. It was art. Stories aren't banned from this subreddit, correct? This should also include stories dedicated to make us laugh.

    Second, this is may or may not be related to my complain, but I believe a revision of Rule 1A is in order. I refuse to accept that anything involving a "meme" or a "joke" is a low-quality post. An example of what I consider to be a high-quality post would be the "20XX Timeline". If you can control the quality of "meme" and "joke" posts, the front page won't be filled with meme's like TheCyclops fears so much. My suggestion would be that indications be established in the rules for what is an high-quality post (which will be kept on this subreddit) and what is a low-quality post (which will be removed).

    Thank you very much for reading. Have a great day!

    And this is the reply I sent you. I am still waiting for a response.

    You did not tell me why you believe it was a "shitpost". I hold my claim and it is a story; a piece of fiction. Are (funny) stories banned here? I also request that you tell me why you do not tolerate this kind of content on /r/smashbros. Can you please link me to a topic on this subreddit which discusses the use of memes on here?

    [–]Opticine 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Inb4 this gets deleted too

    [–]Winnarly 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Nah, we're always open to criticism.

    [–]professorwarhorse 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

    tbh if the post stayed up then it would've only invited more people to start submitting their stories and then we would've become r/smashliterature

    Is there any way to move threads to another subreddit? Maybe forwarding it to /r/smashart or something instead of just deleting it without warning would be better.

    [–]TheRealMrWillis 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I could see there being a sub like /r/20XXstories or something like that

    [–]subredditChecker 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    There doesn't seem to be anything here

    As of: 01:30 07-15-2015 UTC. I'm checking to see if the above subreddit exists so you don't have to! Downvote me and I'll disappear!

    [–]Konyuna 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    There's a lot of reasons why a lot of people consider this sub to be mediocre.

    [–]SinceBecausePickles 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    IMO the rule should be changed from joke posts to low quality posts. A post like that comes once every couple months max, and it's great to have a breath of fresh air between the "how do I git gud" posts.

    [–]Magnetrude 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

    The actual community thinks reddit is bad for a reason

    [–]1950-9189-8894Abraman1 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I thought we were done with this whole "real community" talk

    [–]MrJackpot 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

    We are. Reddit is not the actual community.

    [–]Sakuyalzayoi [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Perhaps not the whole but it's certainly not an ignorable part of it. And if the reel community includes stuff like Hugs whining at Hbox that he's killing the game then I guess that's what the reel ppls want

    [–]Magnetrude -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well, when 90% of the posts are about tournaments you kind of have to be a person that is involved in tournaments to understand how things are being conveyed from a competitors perspective. Same situation happens when 95% of people I talk to at tournaments are against customs, but more than half of the twitch chat thinks customs are the new meta.

    [–]El Brosnando. NNID: NightrunLiamLiamrun 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    IT GOT GILDED...it got gilded. Have you no shame?

    [–]Russellsloud 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    mods right now

    Edit: seriously though this sub used to be fun...

    Edit 2: You know what? I will quit my bitching this sub is still pretty great!

    [–]Winnarly 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    ｈａ, ｈａ, ｈａ, ｈａ.

    [–]EverythingSmash 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The rules should reflect what the people want for the sub, not some vision the mods have for it. But in my opinion that's not the case here on this sub.

    [–]Maruhai 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah honestly removing this post was a mistake.

    [–]ElfieStar 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Fuck, that got deleted? That was the best thing I've read all week.

    [–]well-placed_pun 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "No fun allowed."

    [–]64 Kirby/Falconlifeoftheta [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Because it was a shitpost...?

    [–]kpecc99 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That was the most beautiful thing

    [–]MistuhhSilky 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Nah man thats bad content. What this sub really needs is more people linking to drama and bs on twitter. Thats the good stuff

    [–]RyeDo -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Oh joy, the bi monthly "we don't want moderation we just want moderation without moderation. let's discuss this again" thread every other subreddit has without fail.

    [–]breadburger -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It wasn't even that funny.

    [–]werburg -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I mean... It was a shitpost. A pretty amazing shitpost.

    [–]joedude -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is one of my favorite typical threads on /r/ssbm

    [–]Revven -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I rolled my eyes at it and left the thread. It was the same kind of stuff you see all the time on 4chan or anywhere on the internet except it was for EVO... instead of E3 or whatever big gaming conference thing...

    It may have been "high quality" in the sense of the effort the poster put into it but as far as I'm aware high quality not only denotes the content but also the idea (the post is essentially based on a internet trend and/or meme that traces back many years) and the amount of discussion said post can bring.

    I didn't read the thread extensively but I cannot imagine the thread offered up much discussion at all and the mods want any content to at least be quality enough to generate actual discussion -- especially if it's going to be a text post. Again, I didn't read the comments but generally I'd assume the comments consisted of adding to the "story" or just commenting on how funny it is -- neither of which... are discussing anything.

    [–]Fblue [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Part of what defines a meme is that it's unoriginal and low-effort. A well crafted joke post like the one removed should be rewarded as it encourages others to put in similar effort.

    My understanding of 'shitpost' comes from the Something Awful forums, where mods judge subjectively based on effort.

    [–]username303 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Man, everyone's reaction to this really bothers me. A mod removed a post that was in violation of the subreddit rules. The only issue was that they were a bit slow about it.

    If you want to discuss the subreddit rules, that's fine, but you should approach it in a reasonable manner. I'm sure no one on the /r/smashbros mod team would oppose a healthy discussion on the rules regarding "fan-fiction" or whatever you want to classify this as. It's very possible that posts like the one that was removed were simply overlooked during the creation of the current rules, and a second look would warrant a clause allowing them.

    However, the reality still stands that the post was in violation of the current rules and that warrants immediate removal. Attacking the mods over this one case of "quality post deleted" is not a healthy way to approach the rules as a whole.

    Also, saying "the community should decide what content is allowed" or "posts that everyone likes shouldn't be removed" is a really flawed way of approaching reddit and moderation in general. The "community" of /r/smashbros is an ever changing thing. If all of /r/leagueoflegends came over here and stated upvoting a post titled "melee is shit", just for the lols, that post would quickly become number 1. Their upvotes count just as much as yours, and there'd be no way to tell the difference between the "trolls" and the "community". Clearly, the post "melee is shit" was well liked, so we should allow all posts trash talking melee. I recognize that this is a fairly extreme example, but my point is that the mods and the rules are the cornerstone on which this "community" is built, not the users that come here every day to read news. The rules should certainly be up for discussion at all times, but upvotes and knee jerk reactions to deleted posts are TERRIBLE ways to gauge the interest of the "community".