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[23:59] <Silentagony> ugh we're going ot see about whether robotanna works out

[00:00] <Silentagony> she said she'd follow our rules but she banned a *lot* of people today

[00:00] <sevenless> i'm presuming there's going to be some point at which we're all banned for being evil cissies

[00:00] <Silentagony> sevenless: that won't happen

[00:00] <sevenless> perhaps we could hurry up and get there already so we can start somewhere else

[00:00] <Abortion> so robotanna will be replaced Silentagony?

[00:00] <maxineb> bowing down to a mob with pitchforks without anything having actually happened yet would make you lose credibility in some's eyes too

[00:00] <Abortion> do you really need another mod 〜(￣▽￣〜)(〜￣▽￣)〜

[00:00] <Silentagony> Abortion: well she's *brand new*

[00:00] <eternalkerri> Let's be honest, you traded one drama queen for another

[00:00] <maxineb> i stand by standing up for laurelai before anything happened

[00:00] <Silentagony> so we're going to give her a shot at learning our ways

[00:01] <Abortion> oh

[00:01] <Abortion> I thought you typoed "not" into "ot"

[00:01] <Silentagony> but it's going to be like a 48 hour period.

[00:01] <Abortion> not "to" into "ot"

[00:01] <zandt> it just feels like she wasn't vetted or something

[00:01] <Abortion> now it makes more sense

[00:01] <Abortion> RobotPalin? 〜(￣▽￣〜)(〜￣▽￣)〜

[00:01] <eternalkerri> sounds about right

[00:01] <zandt> and that's what I want to believe, because if she was vetted, then a new mod replacing her won't fix anything

[00:01] <Abortion> I like RobotAnna but she's a force of nature

[00:01] <eternalkerri> and therefore shouldn't mod

[00:02] <Silentagony> well nobody is perfect and unfortunately,

[00:02] <Silentagony> moderating lgbt means 2 things:

[00:02] <sevenless> Silentagony: can i suggest, as respectfully as possible, that r/lgbt needs more representative mods

[00:02] <Abortion> can't use a nuclear powered chainsaw to do surgery

[00:02] <maxineb> it's possible to be a pitbull with some views yet be impartial in responsabilities

[00:02] <zandt> I'm willing to let today be bygones Silentagony. just not terribly optimistic, that's all

[00:02] <Silentagony> 1. when you remove transphobia, it'll be screencapped and flaunted all over r/ainbow and r/subredditdrama and you will get hate mail like you've never seen before

[00:02] <Silentagony> 2. when you are added as a mod, everything you've done ever becomes public knowledge and everything you say is WRONG

[00:02] <Silentagony> so

[00:02] <Silentagony> it's just not as easy as you guys thing

[00:02] <Silentagony> think*

[00:02] <zandt> a lot of those screencaps were of questionable 'transphobia' though, that's why they were screencapped

[00:03] <TheErik> Silentagony: Why did she go on a banning spree?

[00:03] <BecomingMolly> Silentagony: i'd prefer a real answer to my question this time.

[00:03] <zandt> but that's neither here nor there

[00:03] <Silentagony> BecomingMolly: I answered you in the thread.

[00:03] <BecomingMolly> No, you did not.

[00:03] <Abortion> Silentagony do you really need another mod, stop making people suffer!

[00:03] <BecomingMolly> you continued to lie

[00:03] <Silentagony> Yes, I did.

[00:03] <maxineb> moderating bigotry sounds reasonable, there should be more care in establishing if the content is malicious or born of ignorance

[00:03] <Abortion> for being mods

[00:03] <Silentagony> I didn't lie.  You're insane, leave me alone.

[00:03] <Abortion> lol

[00:03] <sevenless> i really haven't seen any indication that transphobia is a particular issue on r/lgbt, more than other kinds of prejudice. however, distrust of the mods is a huge issue

[00:03] <Abortion> I've heard from mods of other subreddits that it's a seriously headachy and thankless job

[00:03] <Silentagony> TheErik: I don't know but I undid it.  She's not online right now.

[00:03] <zandt> sevenless, stop being transphobia you cissie scum

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[00:04] <zandt> transphobic**

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[00:04] <BecomingMolly> I'm insane? Your recollection of the actual events seem to be a little off, Silentagony

[00:04] <TheErik> Silentagony: Thank you for taking time out of your day to address the community.

[00:04] <Silentagony> sevenless: a lot of people want to say they didn't see it.  The reason you didn't see it is either: you don't recognize it OR you were not in the threads pertaining to trans people OR you simply didn't see it before it ended up in our reported queue and got removed.

[00:04] <eternalkerri> you see, calling people insane doesn't win friends and influence people.

[00:04] <sevenless> for a subreddit with 30,000 GLBT readers, it defies common sense to have 3 mods who are T.

[00:04] <sevenless> and none of any other variety.

[00:04] <Silentagony> okay 1: I'm not trans

[00:05] <Abortion> lol

[00:05] <maxineb> could you read up to my wall of text here with some analysis/suggestions

[00:05] <Silentagony> 2: see 1

[00:05] <Abortion> womp womp sevenless

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[00:05] <Silentagony> but I'm not going to go around broadcasting: ATTENTION I AM CIS\

[00:05] <sevenless> Silentagony: okay, how many cis gay male mods have you got?

[00:05] <Silentagony> because that seems to me to be like

[00:05] <Silentagony> HI I AM NOT GAY

[00:05] <maxineb> cissy

[00:05] <Abortion> I don't care if lgbt has a straight mod, as long as they do the job well

[00:05] <Silentagony> we are not going to discriminate on gender

[00:05] <maxineb> too scared to transition

[00:05] <Silentagony> we have homosexuals, bisexuals, and trans people

[00:06] <zandt> to be fair, you're not trans, but I'm under the impression you're dating another mod

[00:06] <Silentagony> and that should be just fine

[00:06] <Silentagony> unless you're saying that there MUST be a man in charge

[00:06] <zandt> I might've read that wrong, a lotta redditness to keep up w/

[00:06] <rmuser> also trans people can be gay! /breakingnews

[00:06] <Abortion> how many degrees of separation from trans people would you accept in a mod zandt

[00:06] <Abortion> :-P

[00:06] <zandt> Abortion, what ?

[00:06] <CranberryKid> but the community as the whole should have equal rep from the mods.

[00:06] <maxineb> well sa is the manliest person in this room

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[00:06] <sevenless> Trans people will in general have a different spectrum of concerns than cis gay people.

[00:06] <Abortion> or do you mean mods shouldn't date each other regardless

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[00:06] <sevenless> And it's against common sense to have zero representation for mods for a community that size.

[00:07] <Silentagony> I will date whoever the hell I want.

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[00:07] <CranberryKid> the mods will get respect when they stop going on crazy ban sprees like this

[00:07] <zandt> Abortion, not so much 'not at all' but when we have 3 mods, and 2 are dating, I dunno

[00:07] <Silentagony> CranberryKid: there are no ban sprees.  Robotanna did some banning and that's going to be serious addressed

[00:07] <Abortion> do checks and balances between mods happen and work on other subreddits zandt seriously asking

[00:07] <zandt> Silentagony, I'm not telling you who to date

[00:07] <CranberryKid> good

[00:07] <CranberryKid> but i disagree with laurel appointing her own successor

[00:07] <maxineb> id nominate TheErik

[00:08] <maxineb> because he has a big gun

[00:08] <CranberryKid> i don't think its right

[00:08] <zandt> Abortion, no idea. I'd guess not, safely

[00:08] <Laike> and a big beard

[00:08] <maxineb> but instead of bullets in bullet chamber

[00:08] <Abortion> all I know is sometimes mods quit a subreddit because they disagree with the other mods but do they balance each other out successfully

[00:08] <maxineb> it has love

[00:08] <BecomingMolly> Silentagony: here's the post, as your memory is faulty: http://i.imgur.com/F4ey3.png clearly, this person was saying hateful things and I was supporting them. OHWAITTHATSNOTHOWITHAPPENEDATALL.

[00:08] <Silentagony> we have somebody in mind for a replacement if we need to, but we'll give her one more chance

[00:08] <TheErik> Thank you maxineb :)

[00:08] <Abortion> I mean I don't care if the mods work together and agree with each other

[00:08] <Abortion> as long as they do a good job

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[00:09] <Silentagony> BecomingMolly: I'm more than a little sick of people taking their most benign post and holding it up as the reason they were banned to create drama and dissent.  That's not why you were banned and you know it.  I'm so tired of this.  

[00:09] <Silentagony> but I don't care anymore

[00:09] <Silentagony> if you promise to knock it the hell off

[00:09] <Silentagony> I'll unban you

[00:09] <zandt> Abortion, same here

[00:09] <BecomingMolly> I made no other posts in /r/lgbt in the month. You have yet to link me any proof. If you want us to turn a blind eye to your conduct in SRS, you must do the same to my criticism of you in SRD and /r/ainbow.

[00:10] <Abortion> besides doesn't a subreddit owner hold the ultimate power regardless

[00:10] <BecomingMolly> correction: i made no other remotely controversial posts in /r/lgbt/

[00:10] <BecomingMolly> Not to mention, that is the post that was linked to me as the ban reason when Laurelai banned me. It stands to reason that it is the post i was banned for.

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[00:11] <BecomingMolly> your repetitive denial proves nothing without actual information to back it up.

[00:11] <maxineb> they're in the sidebar

[00:12] <Abortion> BecomingMolly welp SA said you'd be unbanned if you promise to knock it off, are you unclear on what to knock off

[00:12] <BecomingMolly> There is noting to knock off. She insists the ban was valid to begin with, which it was not.

[00:13] <BecomingMolly> What she's telling me to 'knock off' is proving that she is WRONG and that she refuses to face facts.

[00:13] <maxineb> another thing most learn at a point in their lives is when to shut up

[00:13] <maxineb> another thing, actions hold more than words

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[00:14] <Laike> I feel like we need a video of a puppy to break up some of this tension

[00:14] <Laike> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9pxOT9BC1U

[00:15] <Laike> ok, now we can go back being all tense and shit

[00:15] <TheErik> This is me telling all of you to relax and remember to love each other: http://i.imgur.com/vjEK6.jpg

[00:16] <Abortion> that reminds me of godfather

[00:16] <eternalkerri> yeah, the removal of Laurelai and replacing her with SilentAnna and pretending things are going to be coca-cola and picnics is going to totally calm everything down

[00:16] <Abortion> a film about duty and betrayal

[00:16] <Abortion> and now back to the drama (づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ

[00:17] <zandt> lol

[00:17] <maxineb> conviction without a violation?

[00:17] <NotAradon> http://i.imgur.com/BVpXJ.gif

[00:17] <CranberryKid> cocacola picknicks LMAO

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[00:18] <zandt> http://i.qkme.me/7ek5.jpg

[00:18] <Silentagony> eternalkerri: again, rmuser sets the moderation standards.  IF robotanna doesn't follow them, she'll be removed.

[00:18] <eternalkerri> ok, and replace with who?

[00:18] <snorlax> someone else from srs?

[00:19] <Abortion> what what's wrong with SRS

[00:19] <snorlax> Dworkinism...

[00:19] <zandt> *if she doesn't follow them after today

[00:19] <Abortion> I subscribe to SRS and posted on there twice

[00:19] <Abortion> the what now

[00:19] <xarcus> SRS tends to yell at people on the internet a bit too much.

[00:20] <maxineb> i tend to dislike mobs with synchronized thoughts

[00:20] <maxineb> such as the one that happened in r/lgbt as well

[00:20] <Abortion> maxineb so you're really not a fan of synchronized swimming eh

[00:21] <snorlax> I never like dwater.

[00:21] <snorlax> To wet for my tastes.

[00:21] <Abortion> well you are a snorlax

[00:21] <eternalkerri> Let's be perfectly frank.  When people come to reddit, they expect the upvote/downvote system to regulate the dialogue, not banhammers, yelling and screaming.

[00:21] * Abortion gently pets snorlax

[00:21] <maxineb> correct

[00:21] <TheErik> http://www.reddit.com/r/lgbt/comments/qgnmu/official_mod_qa_questions_concerns_suggestions/c3xhpyc

[00:21] <ErikaJ> daisies

[00:21] <Abortion> the upvote/downvote system is not enough for any subreddit that wants to be a safe space

[00:22] <Abortion> unless they make it private

[00:22] <maxineb> but in a community composed of people undergoing an uphill battle for basic human rights, some things can affect users like fucking bigotry

[00:22] <eternalkerri> asking for an open admission website to be a safeplace is not going to happen

[00:22] <eternalkerri> This is not Something Awful with a payed registration.

[00:22] <sevenless> the fuck is a safe space

[00:22] <sevenless> it's the internet

[00:22] <maxineb> yeah, having for goal to have it all clean would be realistic

[00:23] <sevenless> not your clubroom

[00:23] <Abortion> TheErik d'aww (✿ˇ◡◡ˇ)人(ˇ◡◡ˇ❀)

[00:23] <snorlax> sevenless: Its a place you can go when you have issues, being serious problems, and not get hounded by trolls.

[00:23] <snorlax> IE if you are suicidal a safe place would be where you won't get told to go and off yourself.

[00:23] <xarcus> I haven't been on Reddit in the past few months.

[00:23] <zandt> aka not reddit

[00:23] <Abortion> it's not either or eternalkerri

[00:23] <zandt> (I keed a little bit)

[00:23] <xarcus> Can somebody please summarize the r/lgbt drama for me?

[00:23] <maxineb> and not have current hazardous bigotry problems or past traumatizing memories being thrown at your face because free speech

[00:23] <sevenless> snorlax: no open forum can possibly be free of remarks which upset people

[00:23] <Abortion> there are many many degrees styles and methods of moderation and content shepherding

[00:23] <zandt> would be nice if /r/lgbt were friendly

[00:23] <sevenless> and be worth looking at

[00:23] <maxineb> i see that you've never been abused

[00:24] <maxineb> put yourself in another perspective

[00:24] <snorlax> xarcus: basically... everything.

[00:24] <maxineb> don't be a dunce for once

[00:24] <sevenless> xarcus: basically, it's incredibly gay

[00:24] <eternalkerri> And that's the risk of being on the internet....thats the risk of an open society period.

[00:24] <CranberryKid> *sprinkles flower* WELLLLLLLL DUUUUUH

[00:24] <sevenless> i think we're actually at a level beyond gay drama

[00:24] <zandt> you're all making decent points

[00:24] <Abortion> discussions can and are channelled and regulated all the time

[00:24] <snorlax> sevenless: Eh thats true.. but going to a suicidewatch form and telling people to off themselves is a special kind of asshatery.

[00:24] <maxineb> snorlax: if suicidal a safe place is an ambulance in transit to an hospital

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[00:24] <eternalkerri> reddit will not ever change away from its current model

[00:24] <BecomingMolly> http://www.reddit.com/r/lgbt/comments/qgnmu/official_mod_qa_questions_concerns_suggestions/c3xhplw *cough* Silentagony

[00:25] <Abortion> its current model allows mods to delete posts and ban people

[00:25] <sevenless> snorlax: you can't guarantee you won't see things that upset you if absolutely anyone on earth can post.

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[00:25] <eternalkerri> and the only way to ever make r/lgbt truly a "safe space" is to completely lock it down by making it a private subreddit

[00:25] <sevenless> this is, like, not a surprising observation

[00:25] <Abortion> who is aiming for that sevenless

[00:25] <snorlax> That's not the fucking point.

[00:25] <CranberryKid> the point is the forum can be a place of intellectual solitude and the mods are using it for asshattery

[00:25] <snorlax> I was explaining what a safe place was.

[00:25] <Abortion> no one is aiming for zero upset

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[00:25] <Abortion> that I know of

[00:25] <sevenless> Abortion: that's what "safe space" implies

[00:25] <maxineb> nobody ever reads what i say

[00:25] <sevenless> i'm explaining to you why it can't be done

[00:25] <snorlax> Not some fucking eutopia where the rabbits are horsea and the cats are trees.

[00:25] <Abortion> safe space for lgbt people obvs

[00:25] <snorlax> I mean fucks sake man.

[00:25] <sevenless> it's an open forum on the internet. you are going to get trolls. period.

[00:25] <Abortion> not safe space for every possible configuration of sensitivities

[00:25] <sevenless> just like you do everywhere else.

[00:26] <Abortion> yes and mods handle trolls to varying degrees of success

[00:26] <Abortion> sometimes it's low sometimes it's high

[00:26] <eternalkerri> as long as its on reddit, anyone can create a sock and troll for at least one post

[00:26] * snorlax lollerskates to his roflecopter

[00:26] <Abortion> or are you saying that it's impossible

[00:26] <xarcus> SilentAgony: Why is BecomingMolly banned exactly? I missed that bit somehow.

[00:26] <maxineb> yes, and you get rid of them

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[00:26] <sevenless> i don't like reddit's downvote mechanism either, but for a different reason

[00:26] <eternalkerri> it is fundamentally impossible to change that

[00:26] <sevenless> i don't think any comments should be hidden by default, personally

[00:26] <snorlax> sevenless why u so fabulous?

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[00:26] <Abortion> and troll posts can get deleted upon report eternalkerri

[00:26] <Abortion> I'm not sure what you're saying eternalkerri

[00:27] <sevenless> snorlax: no, you're awesome

[00:27] <Abortion> that if something can be posted it shouldn't be deleted?

[00:27] <maxineb> it's practically possible to send the garbage content to the null device

[00:27] <snorlax> :P

[00:27] <eternalkerri> they will still stay up until deleted

[00:27] <snorlax> im too drunk for this.l

[00:27] <Abortion> ok?

[00:27] <sevenless> i'm personally a fan of well crafted troll posts

[00:27] <eternalkerri> and then they can create another alt and do it again

[00:27] <eternalkerri> and again

[00:27] <eternalkerri> and again

[00:27] <Abortion> me too sevenless tbh

[00:27] <maxineb> what are you arguing anyway, i detect no meaning but lots of words

[00:27] <sevenless> that's the main reason slashdot was fun in the 90's

[00:27] <BecomingMolly> Aaaand now she's removed the discussion because she refuses to admit she is wrong. So i'm supposed to just wait patiently to be unbanned when i was banned for literally no reason at all.

[00:27] <snorlax> LOLLER

[00:27] <maxineb> we had a troll in this channel, he was a master troll

[00:28] <snorlax> maxineb: Cholby?

[00:28] <zandt> Cydd ?

[00:28] <eternalkerri> if you want r/lgbt to be truly a safe place, you have to take make it a private subreddit

[00:28] <maxineb> no

[00:28] <snorlax> Cydd wasn't very good at trolling.

[00:28] <sevenless> anyway, anyone talking about safe spaces on the open internet is nuts.

[00:28] <Abortion> I created and run a free speech chan elsewhere quite happily where if anybody has a problem I tell them to use /ignore and don't ask for any moderation

[00:28] <Abortion> but that's not something that works in every situation

[00:28] <maxineb> the guy with multiple nicks and personalities sparkling debates with entirely different viewpoints

[00:28] <Abortion> or conducive to every kind of community and discussion

[00:28] <maxineb> browser was one of them

[00:28] <ri0tdorque> Abortion, *hhhuggglleesss*

[00:28] <Abortion> why  is it nuts sevenless

[00:28] * Abortion gently pets ri0tdorque

[00:28] <snorlax> maxineb: interesting...

[00:28] * ri0tdorque curls up

[00:29] <Abortion> Major Drama in r/lgbt

[00:29] <ri0tdorque> wait who's doing what?

[00:29] <sevenless> Abortion: because the definition of safety you're using rules out participation by the open net

[00:29] * ri0tdorque frowns

[00:29] <Abortion> the drama llama was in heat and is now birthing many many drama babies

[00:29] <Abortion> to a point yes sevenless

[00:29] <ri0tdorque> indeed they are :(

[00:29] <eternalkerri> so simply put, this attempt to quash any and all real and percieved trans/bi/homo phobic statements is Quixotic at best

[00:30] <Abortion> it's still doable to a practical and measuarable and productive degree eternalkerri

[00:30] <sevenless> eternalkerri: i think that's more an excuse for serious mod power abuse

[00:30] <eternalkerri> well its either/or

[00:30] <sevenless> Abortion: free speech dammit.

[00:30] <Silentagony> it's not so much major drama

[00:30] <maxineb> a solution would be to be more careful in establishing whether it's ignorance where education works or bigotry which should be in the garbage bin

[00:30] <Silentagony> we're like

[00:30] <Silentagony> trying to put the drama out

[00:31] <Silentagony> maxineb: I answered that like 5x in the thread, but hangon

[00:31] <eternalkerri> either you have 5-10 mods on at all times quashing anything out of line, or you have to accept that its going to happen

[00:31] <Silentagony> let me find you a convenient comment

[00:31] <Abortion> free speech isn't applicable to lots of situations, and shouldn't be

[00:31] <Silentagony> maxineb: http://www.reddit.com/r/lgbt/comments/qgnmu/official_mod_qa_questions_concerns_suggestions/c3xhlby

[00:31] <maxineb> Silentagony: i went in more details earlier in this channel :P

[00:31] <eternalkerri> ah, but maxine, this is where we have a conundrum

[00:31] <eternalkerri> perception is a bitch

[00:31] <ri0tdorque> indeed

[00:32] <ri0tdorque> a royal one it seems....

[00:32] <eternalkerri> and what I percieve as ignorance, you might find bigotry

[00:32] <zandt> Abortion> free speech isn't applicable to lots of situations, and shouldn't be <---- example (I'm with you, I think, just wondering what you mean)

[00:32] <maxineb> yes, it is

[00:32] * Abortion poots

[00:32] <Silentagony> I think I have a fairly good system

[00:32] <maxineb> most likely interaction is required to establish what the intent is

[00:32] <ri0tdorque> hhmmm well there's giving people the benefit of the doubt but after that....

[00:32] <ri0tdorque> and hey hey Silentagony :)

[00:32] <sevenless> I agree there's no really absolute free speech most places. But we should be able to tolerate most things, even if it upsets people.

[00:32] <xarcus> Silentagony: Why is linking to r/ainbow banned?

[00:32] <eternalkerri> honestly, no you dont Silent

[00:32] <Silentagony> hey ri0tdorque ;)

[00:32] <Abortion> I don't object to mods trying to delete bigoted posts in r/lgbt to minimize people seeing them

[00:33] <Silentagony> xarcus: it isn't - I explained that in the thread as well

[00:33] <eternalkerri> you would not be having these issues if it was

[00:33] <Silentagony> the problem is that

[00:33] <sevenless> I do. They get minimized anyway.

[00:33] <Silentagony> most people's perceptions are coming from banned people

[00:33] <Silentagony> who want to say things like

[00:33] <Abortion> I think there can be sound and workable principles of free speech that works in some situations

[00:33] <Silentagony> "I WAS BANNED FOR LIKE NOTHING!"

[00:33] <zandt> Abortion, I don't either, but how many people who weren't ___phobic got called that by a mod ?

[00:33] <Abortion> like the free speech chan I run 〜(￣▽￣〜)(〜￣▽￣)〜

[00:33] <zandt> that's my problem

[00:33] <Silentagony> to gain support, attention, and start shit with somebody they feel slighted them

[00:33] <BecomingMolly> Except i was literally banned for nothing.

[00:33] <Silentagony> people who linked to r/ainbow were only banned when it was in the context of

[00:33] <Abortion> zandt doesn't mean there can't be good modding

[00:33] <xarcus> FREEEEE SPEEEEEECCCCHHHHH

[00:33] <Silentagony> "this transphobia is being deleted"  "COME TO AINBOW FRIEND!" over and over

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[00:33] <Silentagony> or just posting to it everywhere

[00:33] <zandt> Abortion, that's what I'm hoping for

[00:34] <maxineb> a post recently asking how transgenderism is not like that disorder where people want to cut a limb was pretty stupid, but if you put yourself in the perspective of ignorance towards trans stuff, it's a question that can arise, and it's best that if it does it is asked and corrected don't you think

[00:34] <Abortion> I am hoping r/lgbt doesn't get splintered... more than it is

[00:34] <Silentagony> omg BecomingMolly seriously if you just promise not to do it again I'll fucking unban you but knock it off omg

[00:34] <sevenless> Silentagony: so in other words, most of this stuff was being caused by the initial round of censoring anyway?

[00:34] <sevenless> Hmm?

[00:34] <BecomingMolly> Silentagony, you have yet to prove any point about why i was banned. I did all the research for you, and found all of my lgbt posts in the last month.

[00:34] <eternalkerri> I'm afraid Abortion, that it is inevitable

[00:34] <Abortion> lol oh well it's just reddit

[00:34] <sevenless> Abortion: hahahaha

[00:34] <Silentagony> BecomingMolly: not my job to broadcast the reported queue

[00:35] <NotAradon> wat

[00:35] <BecomingMolly> Yes, Silentagony, unban me, and we can be done with this, but i'd also either like an apology or an actual link to where I was in the wrong.

[00:35] <maxineb> BecomingMolly: looks like a mistake happened and it is being corrected, the suggested action is shut up

[00:35] <Silentagony> sevenless: most of the recent stuff was this guy who posted a thread about how the mods suck and everyone wanted to go "COME TO AINBOW IT IS BETTER! MODS WILL ALLOW EVERYTHING!" and did it like several times in the same thread.

[00:35] <Silentagony> it was insane

[00:35] <Silentagony> so we deleted that stuff and deleted people who spammed links

[00:35] <snorlax> The thing is.. it really does look like she was banned for nothing.

[00:35] <zandt> ^

[00:35] <snorlax> That's the problem.

[00:35] <Silentagony> of course it does she deleted her offending shit

[00:36] <eternalkerri> yeah

[00:36] <Silentagony> that's what they're all doing

[00:36] <sevenless> Silentagony: not to go captain hindsight here, but wasn't this a fairly predictable consequence of bringing the banhammer down in the first place?

[00:36] <Silentagony> it's so damned tiresome

[00:36] <snorlax> sure. they were...

[00:36] <eternalkerri> then quit

[00:36] <zandt> then please start screencapping before deleting and banning

[00:36] <BecomingMolly> I have not edited a single post and you know it, Silentagony. Admit you were wrong for once and we can be done here.

[00:36] <zandt> so we can see that these people are all lying

[00:36] <xarcus> sevenless: if you ban people, they're supposed to go away.

[00:36] <eternalkerri> if it is such a chore to run this sub, then why keep going

[00:36] <Silentagony> zandt: that would be rude.  I'm not going to show everyone what somebody did to deserve a ban.  

[00:36] <NotAradon> evidence is overrated anyways

[00:36] <maxineb> Abortion: a good term would be garbage collection

[00:37] <zandt> Silentagony, just keep them for when someone says you/a mod banned them for nothing

[00:37] <sevenless> xarcus: they live there, banning them will piss them off

[00:37] <eternalkerri> what truly could you gain from managing this sub if it is this stressful?

[00:37] <maxineb> i work 120 hours a week, what do i gain hm

[00:37] <Abortion> I haven't been delving into this deep enough but wow is there a reason why you guys owuldn't trust a mod over someone complaining about a ban

[00:37] <Silentagony> eternalkerri: can the armchair psychobabble.  You don't know my life or my motives and you're not going to therapist me into quitting

[00:37] <zandt> after a few of them, I'd be willing to believe the mods over the countless users

[00:37] <zandt> as it is, all I can go by are screens from users

[00:37] <BecomingMolly> all four of my posts in /r/lgbt that i linked are the only posts in that sub that i have made in over a month, and none of them have been edited. You and I both know this, Silentagony.

[00:38] <Abortion> it's just one case out of thousands Silentagony had to deal with, of course BecomingMolly has more info and recollection on it

[00:38] <zandt> Abortion, that's why I'm suggesting screencaps on their side

[00:38] <maxineb> 40k people, 2 mods sifting through shit

[00:38] <Abortion> that's a pain in the ass

[00:38] <eternalkerri> im not trying to, im just trying to understand why you complain when the issues that you are facing are staring you right in the face

[00:38] <Silentagony> it's not thousands, it's like less than 100

[00:38] <Abortion> you'd have to screen cap it all and then name it and store it

[00:38] <Silentagony> there are less than 100 bans

[00:38] <BecomingMolly> You want this to be done, all you have to do is admit that it was a mistake. You don't even have to admit that Laurelai banned me maliciously, you just have to admit i was wrongfully banned, and we can move on, Silentagony.

[00:38] <Silentagony> there are like

[00:38] <zandt> yeah it is, being a mod sucks dont it

[00:38] <Silentagony> 5 things in the reported queue in one day

[00:38] <Abortion> I mean reports Silentagony

[00:38] <Silentagony> it's not really that hard

[00:38] <Abortion> oh ok

[00:38] <Abortion> well I take it back

[00:38] <Abortion> screen cap it all

[00:39] <maxineb> fun fact: type /mode +b here

[00:39] <Abortion> 〜(￣▽￣〜)(〜￣▽￣)〜

[00:39] <Silentagony> BecomingMolly: I'm already moving on, by ignoring you.  Later.

[00:39] <BecomingMolly> Very mature.

[00:39] <snorlax> HAHAHA

[00:39] <CranberryKid> wow

[00:39] <xarcus> nothing happened maxineb

[00:39] <snorlax> And nothing changes.

[00:39] <CranberryKid> why is it so hard to look at her posts?

[00:40] <eternalkerri> this is exactly why r/lgbt is having so many problems

[00:40] <zandt> CranberryKid, because someone might have to admit they're wrong

[00:40] <CranberryKid> no shit

[00:40] <NotAradon> Easy to tell if there has been any edits btw.

[00:40] <Silentagony> CranberryKid: I've hashed it out with becomingmolly like 10x in the modmail.  I have looked at the posts.  She reposted screencaps of shit to subredditdrama and ainbow and everywhere else flaming me all over reddit.  Why should I be sympathetic and go over it again and again?

[00:40] <zandt> NotAradon, is it? I'm reddit stupid

[00:40] <xarcus> Maybe a community of about 40K needs a few more than 3 mods.

[00:40] <NotAradon> Yeah, there is a star that shows up after "ago"

[00:40] <zandt> ah

[00:40] <NotAradon> if it's edited

[00:40] <NotAradon> else it's just blank

[00:40] <zandt> interesting

[00:40] <Abortion> after like 15 seconds?

[00:40] <CranberryKid> because we would just fucking reset back to before this drama and bury the hatchet

[00:40] <BecomingMolly> Because you want us to ignore your conduct in SRS, Silentagony. You don't get to cite my opinions of you in SRD or Rainbow.

[00:40] <NotAradon> so it's REALLY easy to tell if it's been edited

[00:40] <Abortion> of the initial posteration

[00:40] <Silentagony> xarcus: AGAIN, there are like 5 things in the reported queue each day.  The only reason there are more than 2 of us is because rmuser and I are a couple and we sleep/eat/whatever at the same times

[00:41] <BecomingMolly> You can't have a double standard.

[00:41] <maxineb> i know a guy, brilliant plasma physicist. he visits church every sunday. he must be a bad plasma physicist

[00:41] <sevenless> to be honest, the real problem is that google chrome goes to r/lgbt every time i type "r" into it

[00:42] <BecomingMolly> Not to mention i've only modmailed you the one time, and you turned it malicious, not me. I approached you amicably at first, Silentagony, despite our differences.

[00:42] <zandt> sevenless, haha

[00:42] <sevenless> zandt: i literally just closed the tab and reopened it at the same site

[00:42] <zandt> that's pretty funny to me

[00:43] <Abortion> when I type r into firefox's url bar ... rotten tomatoes comes up (づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ

[00:43] <themacg33k> goddammit

[00:43] <sevenless> I don't get the appeal of that site

[00:43] <themacg33k> TOP USING THIS CHANNEL

[00:43] <themacg33k> *STOP

[00:43] <maxineb> themacg33k: stfu, issues of the past few days are resolved

[00:43] <themacg33k> Seriously, when the fascists resign and leave you can use it

[00:43] <eternalkerri> I just don't see lgbt recovering at all.

[00:43] <themacg33k> Otherwise, stop it and take it elsewhere

[00:44] <themacg33k> eternalkerri: aye…

[00:44] <zandt> NotAradon, I don't seeany stars on BecomingMolly's posts

[00:44] <zandt> *see

[00:44] <sevenless> eternalkerri: it's found its real purpose: drama generation

[00:44] <zandt> I could be missing them I guess

[00:44] <eternalkerri> sad really

[00:44] <Abortion> wut sevenless rottentomatoes is supremely useful for helping me decide what movies to see

[00:44] <NotAradon> zandt: then they aren't edited

[00:44] <sevenless> Abortion: I just check out what Ebert says.

[00:44] <BecomingMolly> Thats because I never edited them.

[00:44] <Abortion> I like ebert lots

[00:45] <Abortion> but he's wrong quite a few times

[00:45] <sevenless> He has a few known biases

[00:45] <sevenless> Women with big boobs, for a start

[00:45] <maxineb> i have that one too

[00:45] <Abortion> if rotten tomatoes has a film at 70%~+ and the trailer looks good and the subject looks interesting

[00:45] <Abortion> I will go see it

[00:45] <sevenless> well, it's more "what should i pirate"

[00:45] <BecomingMolly> my information has been entirely factual, Silentagony just refuses to admit a mistake was made. I could press the issue more, as I'm fairly sure Laurelai banned me maliciously, however all i'm asking for is an admission that a mistake was made.

[00:46] <xarcus> Silentagony: I'm saying that because I don't think 40K should be held at the whims of 3 people no matter what their intentions are. 3 people are always going to have issues modding 40 thousand people no matter how competent those people are. Shit will slip past the reported queue or not even get reported, and then posted on SRS for huge embarrassment for all.

[00:46] <Abortion> I pirate voraciously but I enjoy seeing films on a GIANT ASS SCREEN

[00:46] <Abortion> no doubt one day they will be ab le to duplicate that experience at home

[00:46] <eternalkerri> the apointing of Laurelai and SilentAnna, the lack of admission of mistakes, the banning of users arbitrarily, the inability to listen to the community at large, the witch hunting of dissent...

[00:46] <Abortion> in which case I will pirate more

[00:46] <sevenless> Abortion: a giant ass-screen?

[00:46] <Abortion> that too

[00:46] <Laike> I'm trying to decide if I should throw out this pot of oolong tea or try another infusion, it was bitter as hell D:

[00:46] <Abortion> imax porn!

[00:46] <eternalkerri> Why should SilentAgony care at all what SRS thinks?

[00:46] <themacg33k> Linear Generator of Bionic Telecommunicated DRAMA

[00:46] <zandt> BecomingMolly, you're not going to get that. my concern is that if you can get banned over nothing (as it appears to be the case) others can be receive similar unfair treatment

[00:47] <xarcus> Posts shouldn't have to be put on display for people to see that they're bad.

[00:47] <BecomingMolly> That's the point though, they're supposedly reversing the unfair policies, and yet I can't even get them to look at the facts i present them, zandt

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[00:47] <zandt> BecomingMolly, :(

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[00:48] <snorlax> themacg33k: a fucking large drama collider?

[00:48] <themacg33k> snorlax: I was trying to do it based on "LGBT"

[00:48] <eternalkerri> Yeah, I give r/lgbt another two, maybe three months of limping along before there is anything more than 10 posts a day to the sub

[00:48] <BecomingMolly> The issue isn't whether we like eachother. We both know full well that we do not. The issue is that she first lied about me, and then when i proved her wrong she tried to cite my criticism of her in other subreddits, a clear double standard of their new policy on /r/lgbt buisness being the only thing we can judge them on.

[00:48] <themacg33k> eternalkerri: I’m not going to post there so :)

[00:49] <eternalkerri> ...that aren't complaints

[00:49] <snorlax> someone should post a bunch of dick punching gifs.

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[00:49] <eternalkerri> no they shouldnt

[00:49] * xarcus eats some popcorn.

[00:50] <snorlax> I can wish right?

[00:50] <snorlax> :P

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[00:50] <maxineb> everyone is absurd and i want to punch all involved in the solar plexus

[00:50] <NotAradon> http://zeroshift.imgur.com/popcorn_gifs

[00:51] <BecomingMolly> http://i.imgur.com/V9Ppl.png once again, for all to see

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[00:53] <xarcus> http://i.imgur.com/W3tbW.gif

[00:53] <zandt> lol xarcus

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[00:54] <xarcus> Oh jeez everyone stopped to watch the black guy eat popcorn.

[00:54] <eternalkerri> I'm calling it here now, folks, r/lgbt is dead.  In the attempt by altruistic but ultimately misguided and overzealous mods, it has died.  The village was burned to save it.

[00:54] <zandt> it's alive, it just sucks

[00:54] <zandt> anyway

[00:54] <zandt> that's enough for me tonight

[00:54] <zandt> take care everyone

[00:54] <xarcus> GOOOOOODDDDD NIIIIIGGGGHHHHHHTTTT

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[00:55] <maxineb> damnit, who put a doomsday pedestral in this room?

[00:55] <eternalkerri> yeah, im bored now, its all over except for the last gasp and the final nervous twitches..

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[00:56] <xarcus> BecomingMolly: I think you should just remove yourself from all involvement with r/lgbt. It's pretty obvious the moderation doesn't want you there.

[00:56] <xarcus> Just stick with the other lgbt subs.

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[00:59] <BecomingMolly> xarcus, I intend to right a wrong perpetrated against me. I have no real interest in actively participating in /r/lgbt with it's current mod staff, however, i should not be banned.

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[01:00] <xarcus> Good luck getting them to admit they were wrong then. Especially with all the imaginary power they have.