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BusinessFormer Reddit CEO alleges co-founder Alexis Ohanian fired Victoria Taylor, not Pao (thenextweb.com)

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[–]_Gambino 1060ポイント1061ポイント  (61子コメント)

I hope people talk about me for weeks when I get fired.

[–]ThePriceIsRight 416ポイント417ポイント  (36子コメント)

they'll talk about how glad you're gone

[–]Star-Bellied-Sneech 62ポイント63ポイント  (4子コメント)

Everyone leaving gets a party. Some before you leave. Others after.

[–]admlshake 28ポイント29ポイント  (2子コメント)

Heh, it's funny you say that. Years ago a plant manager (I work for a manufacturing company) was terminated for being a grade A ass hole. When the new manager came out to the floor too announce it about 300 people all started cheering.

[–]brickmack 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

We had a gym teacher get fired (never found out why, but given his usual behavior he probably was a pedo) in middle school and someone actually brought celebratory cake

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      [–]ucantsimee 198ポイント199ポイント  (26子コメント)

      Price is wrong, bitch.

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        [–]onnoj817 21ポイント22ポイント  (4子コメント)

        they will. every week they will be like "fuck that guy. now i have to do all his reporting."

        [–]VanimalCracker 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Remember that asshole that used to work here? Used to just sit on reddit all and make other people pick up his slack.. What a little bitch.

        [–]onnoj817 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

        hes not coming back. i'm taking his fucking cube hanger and his tape dispenser.

        [–]elreydelasur 50ポイント51ポイント  (5子コメント)

        you'd have to act really Childish

        [–]breauxbreaux 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Is Ellen Pao the Batman?

        Was Victoria Reddit's Harvey Dent?

        Is Pao not the hero we need but the hero we deserve?

        [–]Woodshadow 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It happens trust me. Everyone feels on thin ice when someone gets fired.

        [–]brocksamps0n 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        If you take out your penis they will!

        [–]bobjohnsonmilw 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        The story of me getting arrested at a company party made me such a legend at that place I actually became friends with people that joined that company after I left, just based on them hearing the story and needing to meet me. Five years later and I talk to my new friends from there more than some of my former coworkers, and they still tell the story about me.

        [–]ttubehtnitahwtahw1 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Nope, the vast majority won't care. Just like in her case.

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          [–]Magicdealer 628ポイント629ポイント  (72子コメント)

          "Round Two! rings bell

          ... sigh

          [–]strategic_butter 312ポイント313ポイント  (27子コメント)

          Hijacking top comment.

          I think the hidden subtext is that Alexis Ohanian possibly wanted to monetize AMA's and Victoria wouldn't go for it. I have absolutely no proof except that the statement the AMA mods made suggested they didn't trust that money wouldn't exchange hands over AMA's if left up to the reddit administration.

          [–]crabsongs 66ポイント67ポイント  (2子コメント)

          That is the same assumption I made from reading his comments.

          [–]__________________l 83ポイント84ポイント  (4子コメント)

          "Popcorn tastes good"

          -/u/kn0thing

          [–]timelording 50ポイント51ポイント  (5子コメント)

          And then assuming Victoria has signed an NDA your theory makes even more sense.

          [–]moeburn 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Just to be clear, the agreements that people sign after being fired that says "I won't say why I was fired" usually aren't NDA's, they usually aren't even legally binding contracts. They're basically a formal agreement that says "I won't shit on your company if you'll continue to give me good recommendations to future employers".

          [–]KilowogTrout 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

          NDAs are pretty damn common, so she probably signed one when she started at reddit.

          [–]Ozzimo 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Very true. I'm still under NDA for every game I've tested and I stopped testing like 3 years ago. Come back in 15 years if you want to hear about Fable II :D

          [–]brozzart 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

          I read this exact same theory about Pao when this whole thing started. Maybe Reddit takes off their sleuthing cap on this one since our record is God awful.

          [–]Neckwrecker 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

          In b4 someone implies reddit killed a guy.

          [–]ribosometronome 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Reddit: Conveniently cautious when it's a white man who might have done a bad thing.

          [–]exaggerate_a_point 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Exactly right. I think Alexis Ohanian didn't necessarily fire Victoria or even want her gone. More likely he just wanted to monetize AMAs or change them to the point where Victoria couldn't see herself working comfortably within that role any more. She might have been fired once she made that decision by Alexis or another manager.

          Seriously a lot of people here act like they wouldn't be let go if they disagreed with their own company's direction. I personally would leave the company I work for if they made a decision that I couldn't live with. Call it laid off, firing, or creative differences, but I personally don't put much blame on Ohanian or Pao for that.

          Now, monetizing AMAs (or whatever we find out is the reason) is a different beast and I feel could be argued as a bad management decision.

          [–]lancerusso 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Start the petition to bring back pao and to fire Ohanian?

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            [–]DrSteve2 49ポイント50ポイント  (22子コメント)

            Shall I get the pitchforks or the torches?

            [–]ANITW 37ポイント38ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Ugh bring both. I'm sure everyone will be mad about something someone somewhere did soon enough

            [–]shitiforgotmypasswor 23ポイント24ポイント  (4子コメント)

            I'm ready!. ---E

            [–]Broke_stupid_lonely 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

            That's a really small pitchfork. Here take mine 

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            [–]3p0int1415926535897 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Aww shit ---L

            [–]Mr_Piddles 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Both. It's late, and we'll need to see.

            [–]KaptainKhorisma 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

            r/pitchforkemporium

            [–]WRX_RAWR 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Paging /u/pitchforkemporium

            [–]phoenixink 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Both. Flaming pitchforks.

            ------€~~·•°

                ~ ^~^°

            [–]water_mizu 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Absolutely. Here at reddit we don't need proof. Just pitch forks and torches.

            [–]jellyfish_asiago 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            You can say that about the rest of the internet.

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              [–]nixonrichard 41ポイント42ポイント  (7子コメント)

              The original IAmA post said she was fired by Kn0thing.

              However, the chairman of the board of directors rarely actually micromanages individual employees like that.

              Pao more than likely was the one who actually fired her, and other Reddit employees have openly said it was Pao and Alexis who canned her and are the only ones who really know why she was canned.

              However, I'm totally game for round two.

              Hard to find something as catchy as "Chairman Pao" though.

              Alexis of Evil?

              You Know Kn0thing?

              Ohanianderthal?

              [–]gnathan87 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Hard to find something as catchy as "Chairman Pao" though.

              alghengis okhanian...?

              [–]Clewin 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Well this is exactly why I said in other threads that until I hear both sides of the story I'm not going to quickly judge someone, which is basically what happened. Still, it was handled rather poorly, whatever the reason for the firing was (I'm starting to think insubordination for not monetizing AMA from other posts - a valid but extremely unpopular reason, and I can see Pao being trapped between a rock and a hard place if she was ordered to do it by the board).

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                [–]jaksida 19ポイント20ポイント  (4子コメント)

                RIP Voat. Again.

                [–]jellyfish_asiago 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Just think of it this way, Voat, although struggling right now, will only evolve faster now with all these issues.

                [–]Buttraider404 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Voat isn't at all struggling right now. It's growing at a good rate. And someone is pissed, considering the large scale ddos attack on the site recently.

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                    [–]scheise_soze 401ポイント402ポイント  (59子コメント)

                    What a soap opera...

                    [–]gn0xious 79ポイント80ポイント  (17子コメント)

                    Coming to theaters summer 2016, the Social Network 2...

                    [–]morvis343 24ポイント25ポイント  (13子コメント)

                    Not sure if joking, but this would actually make a pretty good movie.

                    [–]DaveThe_blank_ 36ポイント37ポイント  (6子コメント)

                    no! you shut your whore mouth! That's the last thing this place needs... a fucking motion picture...Jesus tap-dancing fucking Christ...

                    [–]JudeOutlaw 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    I'd watch a coming of age movie about Jesus proving he don't need his daddy's approval when he decides to pursue a career in tap dancing.

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                      [–]Rafaeliki 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

                      This would be the most boring movie ever.

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                          [–]GirlGainingKnowledge 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

                          Pretty much. What's the next plot twist? xD

                          [–]sunburntsaint 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          i cant wait for the kids to go back to school

                          [–]fruitbooploops 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          These guys are always here. When summer started I actually noticed people were being nice in threads, but maybe not

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                              [–]scoofy 28ポイント29ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              /u/kn0thing (alexis) responds here.

                              [–]naughtypanda66 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              How badly do you have to fuck things up to have your counter-part in the company publicly say you are a disappointment?

                              I work all day and still get to see soap operas live.

                              [–]othiSA 382ポイント383ポイント  (28子コメント)

                              The communication from the top of reddit has been amazingly disingenuous. "We're sorry, we'll do better" * short time later * "No really, we're sorry. this time we'll do better, promise!" Huzzah for corporate doublespeak.

                              [–]Deto 216ポイント217ポイント  (19子コメント)

                              To be fair, they really have no responsibility to tell the public why she was fired, or who did the firing. I mean, we'd all love to hear the juicy details, but it would be unprofessional for them to divulge that kind of information.

                              [–]othiSA 60ポイント61ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              I wasn't referring to specifics regarding a reason for letting an employee go. Out of this whole saga, that is maybe the one thing that wasn't poorly handled. Employee privacy is a good thing.

                              [–]wildcarde815 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              Yea I don't think people realize how expensive engaging in gossip over employee terminations can be.

                              [–]brickmack 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              This is why I think the site should be run more like Wikipedia. Have an actual government thats at least moderately representative of the people making all the decisions and is required to be open about everything, and make all the money to run the site through donations. No ads, no taking bribes to manipulate the users, none of that shit. The word "company" or even worse "profit" should never come up at all.

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                                [–]FootofGod 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Huzzah for everyone buying it every time. Why do anything different? You can very obviously just use the same tactic and get peoples money. Its like complaining that someone throws rock every time when you throw scissors every time and cry "ohh, you're gonna get it so bad if I ever throw paper!" Then never doing it.

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                                  [–]geoface 239ポイント240ポイント  (49子コメント)

                                  I thought we've known since day one that Alexis did the firing? There is nothing "new" about this "news".

                                  [–]Crookmeister 264ポイント265ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                  Ya, I'm pretty sure Karmanaut did another post saying Kn0thing did the firing.
                                  Here is a quote from Yishan in a thread from yesterday.

                                  I'm glad redditors have started to piece together all of this. Here's the only thing you're missing:

                                  It travels upstream, except when it comes from the CEO's boss.

                                  Alexis wasn't some employee reporting to Pao, he was the Executive Chairman of the Board, i.e. Pao's boss. He had different ideas for AMAs, he didn't like Victoria's role, and decided to fire her. Pao wasn't able to do anything about it. In this case it shouldn't have traveled upstream to her, it came from above her.

                                  Then when the hate-train started up against Pao, Alexis should have been out front and center saying very clearly "Ellen Pao did not make this decision, I did." Instead, he just sat back and let her take the heat. That's a stunning lack of leadership and an incredibly shitty thing to do.

                                  I actually asked that he be on the board when I joined; I used to respect Alexis Ohanian. After this, not quite so much.

                                  [–]cooleemee 78ポイント79ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  I guess all popcorn tastes good when you're the boss of the CEO.

                                  [–]chronicvape 46ポイント47ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                  so. .. FUCK ALEXIS?

                                  brb finding bulk supplies of farming equipment, kerosene and wick.

                                  [–]detail3 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  If you look a little further down...the literal next post...you'll see the former Sr. VP of Product at reddit say that actually Alexis reported to Ellen per the agreement.

                                  [–]portugalthephilosoph 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  That quote was in the article....

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                                    [–]headzoo 214ポイント215ポイント  (23子コメント)

                                    Yeah, he was kind of coy about it, but right in the middle of the drama he basically said he fired her. I almost feel bad for Pao. She was actually doing the professional/mature thing by not running her mouth, even when everyone was coming down on her, and everyone took her silence as an admission of guilt. She was kind of between a rock and a hard place. I dunno... I've been in that situation before, and it sucks.

                                    [–]alphanovember 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    Yeah seriously, it was in one of the long admin posts. Only thing is I can't find it now. I was positive it was by one of the two, but I guess not.

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                                      [–]NoOneKnowsMyName 347ポイント348ポイント  (49子コメント)

                                      This whole thing is making me not like reddit....

                                      [–]factoid_ 54ポイント55ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                      I like reddit just fine. I'm just starting to not like Alexis Ohanian. His attitude lately has been terrible. He is out of touch and needs to go away. The word coming to mind most often is "douche canoe"

                                      [–]Tovora 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      How about the popcorn though.

                                      [–]factoid_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      I gotta admit the guy had a point. Popcorn is pretty awesome. I like it too

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                                          [–]hrtfthmttr 142ポイント143ポイント  (31子コメント)

                                          You are not alone. This drama has seriously turned me off of this website. What a stupid thing.

                                          [–]maillig 208ポイント209ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                          Yet here you are...

                                          [–]tpr68 81ポイント82ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                          The meth of the Internet

                                          [–]biggiesmallztough 32ポイント33ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                          yet here I am

                                          [–]burnSMACKER 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Yet here you stand

                                          [–]Absay 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          I fucking hate Reddit telenovelas... Oh look, a cat gif... my god, I love Reddit!

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                                            [–]fluffhead1089 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            yes, it has completely turned me off as well....as I sit here all day lurking reddit.

                                            [–]Danni293 31ポイント32ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                            What's turning me off is that recently it seems everyone has a stick shoved up their ass! The only friendly people I really encounter now who actually appreciate my sarcasm and humor are on the porn subreddits, but then, having a stick shoved up your ass in those subreddits has quite a different implication.

                                            [–]MoarBananas 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            No don't say that! Mistakes have been made in the past, but we'll change. Promise!

                                            [–]bernie16wb 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            Honestly I hope Voat's servers start working so the fucking morons that are upset by this and the FPH thing can go away.

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                                              [–]jrothca 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              I'm not about to let office politics get in the way of my reddit viewing habits. I come for the content not because I really like the CEO.

                                              [–]xilpaxim 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                              I don't understand how the actions a few (yes they are top staff) people can affect how you are using a site made up of millions of individual users.

                                              [–]same_as_i_was 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              You don't understand how the actions of the CEO and boss of the CEO could effect the direction a company is run?

                                              It's all speculation right now, but it's seeming like they are trying to monetize reddit in ways that reduce the overall quality of the website. (censorship, AMA paid shills?)

                                              [–]spheredick 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              That's rather disingenuous, isn't it? There are a ton of decisions Reddit's executives or board could make (but won't) that would dramatically affect the way those millions of users use the site.

                                              The slowly-growing rift between Reddit's staff and its community has been alienating users, and the colossally poor management of Victoria's exit threw a lot of fuel on that fire.

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                                                  [–]darmog 36ポイント37ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                  CEOs report to the board, the chairman is the head of the board. chairman of the board does not report to a CEO.

                                                  Something smells fishy about Ohanian's claim.

                                                  [–]josephedwardgray 170ポイント171ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                                  I have a hard time believing this since Reddit is never wrong, especially when they lynch mob.

                                                  [–]GenXer1977 69ポイント70ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                  I mean, there was a petition with thousands and thousands of signatures asking for Pao's dismissal for firing Victoria. House much more proof do you need?

                                                  [–]Badfickle 38ポイント39ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                  Yes and we have absolute proof that she wasn't fired for a good reason. Right?

                                                  [–]blazinblu 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                  In all honesty, I find it incredulous that this issue escalated as far as it did despite no one knowing anything. In all threads on this issue, people would ask "What actually happened?", "Why did she get fired?" and "Do we know it was Pao who did it?", and the response was pretty much always "We don't know" or some random speculation.

                                                  Half the website shut itself down despite now knowing any details about what happened. People vandalised Pao's wikipedia page and basically defamed her without any reason other than wild speculation.

                                                  But of course, this is Reddit. We love our lynch mobs.

                                                  [–]dugant195 32ポイント33ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Actually half of reddit shutting down had nothing to do with Pao dislike....it was over the mods being made their lifeline had been cut without warning or any indication of when they would get another. That's what THE MODS were angry about...everyone else...yeah they just like their pitchforks.

                                                  [–]truehitman2012 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  It dosent matter why victoria was fired. The problem was that the admins didn't inform the people that relied on her that she was fired.

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                                                    [–]NyranK 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Wasn't the issue.

                                                    She was fired and everyone who depended on her was shafted. No-one was told, no-one was given alternatives, no-one was given an explanation or assistance. That was the reason the subreddits went private. It was a major issue after a long list of screwing with the volunteers who made the site run.

                                                    She could have literally killed a dude during office hours, but they should have scrambled to provide explanations, reassurances and assistance to the people her sudden removal impacted. Hell, even just some kind words or a little heads up would have been all it would have taken to keep everyone calm.

                                                    [–]Turok1134 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                    The petition was started before Victoria was fired, but no, sure, go ahead and spew more bullshit.

                                                    [–]l_Am_Providence 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                    But no one knew why Victoria was fired? For all we knew she was blowing the dude in reception. People will sign for a cause with very very little knowledge.

                                                    [–]enderandrew42 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                    We've known since day one it was /u/kn0thing fired her.

                                                    [–]amcma 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    That's not what the front page during the blackout would lead one to believe

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                                                      [–]When_Ducks_Attack 68ポイント69ポイント  (73子コメント)

                                                      If someone else actually did the firing, and that fact was known, why did Reddit go after Pao?

                                                      [–]i-like-coffee 199ポイント200ポイント  (37子コメント)

                                                      Probably because Pao had the good graces not to throw her boss under the bus, although it seems that her boss had no such qualms about her.

                                                      [–]mankind_is_beautiful 72ポイント73ポイント  (31子コメント)

                                                      So we like her now? Jeez I can't keep up.

                                                      [–]Metal_Badger 60ポイント61ポイント  (23子コメント)

                                                      No, it's just that there seems to be a "greater evil", if you will.

                                                      [–]uploader001 46ポイント47ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                      I'm starting to believe Reddit is kind of like the DBZ universe. There always seems to be "an even greater evil" after we finish with the other.

                                                      [–]CeasarTheFirst 16ポイント17ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                      The amount of time for anything to change seems about right.

                                                      Pao is Vegeta.

                                                      /u/shitty_watercolour is Mr. Popo.

                                                      /u/_vargas_ is Piccolo

                                                      Who are the other characters' reddit equivalents?

                                                      [–]Metal_Badger 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                      /u/_vargas is the pig who's name I cannot remember.

                                                      Pao is Raditz, sorry Pao (no one should be called Raditz)

                                                      Vegeta turns into a hero, and I can't see who that is.

                                                      Someone should sit down and figure this out, I still have some normalcy I'd like to keep.

                                                      [–]Stronkadonk 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                      I'm Yamcha, I keep getting banned or shadowbanned then it gets reversed or some shit

                                                      Except for /r/anime because the mods eat dingleberries

                                                      [–]Metal_Badger 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                      Pretty bold calling dibs on Yamcha, sure you're not Yashirobe?

                                                      [–]______DEADPOOL______ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      /u/warlizard is Mr. Satan

                                                      /u/katie_pornhub is Bulma

                                                      /u/spez is Kaioo

                                                      /u/cat_sweaterz is Kaioo's gorilla

                                                      /u/______DEADPOOL______ is Deadpool

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                                                          [–]InvincibleAlex 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                          Pao was Vader and Ohanian was Emperor Palpatine. He was behind the scenes scheming all along.

                                                          [–]Metal_Badger 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          Those aren't DBZ characters but I'll allow it.

                                                          [–]AML86 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          Redditors thought they were going after the Sith Lord, but she was only the apprentice.

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                                                            [–]Innalibra 30ポイント31ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                            I mean, I never thought she was a great CEO or anything but the sheer amount of hate that was directed towards her was totally uncalled for

                                                            [–]Nate_W 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            It made a bunch of immature assholes look like immature assholes. Which is worth something I guess.

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                                                              [–]UncleTomas 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              Pao was Darth Vader and her boss was the Emperor.

                                                              [–]spacecity9 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              I've been liking her. She gets reddit mad and brings loads of drama

                                                              [–]jerrypup 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              Ellen Pao 2016!

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                                                                [–]Platypus3333 55ポイント56ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                The Reddit mob doesn't have a stellar track record of going after the right people. It just wants blood.

                                                                [–]PigeonDrivingBus 32ポイント33ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                Her lack of penis was a contributing factor

                                                                [–]NoahThompson59767 33ポイント34ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                Knowing Reddit, because she was a woman in a position of power.

                                                                [–]le_inspiror 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                Cause nobody had any real information but they still wanted to be offended. Such classic stupidity.

                                                                [–]Valhallen114 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                I'd imagine that the majority of people were just bandwagon'ing along and pointing fingers without actually investigating. "Who did what now?!....... DISPOSE OF THEM!!!!"

                                                                If that truly is the case here, then it becomes increasingly comical for other communities to laugh at.

                                                                [–]ljarvie 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                I don't recall Pao being accused of the firing, but it could've been in one of the multitude of posts I didn't get to. I do remember Pao's leadership causing changes the users didn't like.

                                                                [–]mankind_is_beautiful 37ポイント38ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                I don't know if there is anything Pao wasn't accused of in the last two weeks or however long it's been.

                                                                [–]D_DM7_D7_G_Gm_D_E_A 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                Wasn't she the Boston bomber?

                                                                [–]rprebel 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                Who is the hacker 4Pao?

                                                                [–]vonhollen 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                I heard from some Reddit comment that she invented cancer and that itchy feeling you get when you're trying to fall asleep.

                                                                Seriously though, it's really hard to follow what's an actual problem when the community loses its mind over absolutely everything.

                                                                Banning /r/transfags was a really good thing, but it's fair to say there should be clear unambiguous rules in place. Instead of discussing those rules, so many people took to ranting about freedom of speech and hating on Pao directly.

                                                                When Victoria was fired, it was the same thing from the users. It's nice that the mods were able to use that anger to try and get some positive changes in, but that anger is still poison for everyone involved.

                                                                If we keep acting like this, then no one is going to want to risk their career being in any leadership position at Reddit. Why would anyone risk engaging with the Reddit community if it's so hostile?

                                                                Even better, why would anyone risk creating any changes? I have an idea for better tools. Should I work on that and see if they're liked? Nope, the community hates rc1 and told me I should die in a fire. Should we ban /r/abusivelegalliability? Not sure, what's scarier? Users, lawyers, or a very guilty conscience?

                                                                If we're positive, then we can make more people actually want to make Reddit better. Everyone please remember that the admins and other staff at Reddit are real people too. Give them the benefit of the doubt instead of the end of your pitchforks.

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                                                                    [–]Creativator 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                    Gotta go scapegoatin' after the best available scapegoat.

                                                                    [–]GAMEchief 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    /r/BestOfOutrageCulture

                                                                    reddit is just constantly looking for excuses to be pissed off about something, with no regard for fact checking.

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                                                                      [–]troldrik 33ポイント34ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                      popcorn tastes good.

                                                                      [–]Scuzzboots 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      Ya know, I've personally been fired for less then scrupulous conditions than what I can imagine Victoria has been subjected to. I don't feel nearly as lucky as Victoria should for being able to say on her resume that she's been fired from Reddit, THE front page of the internet (sarcasm oir otherwise), as opposed to my meager installments of employment.

                                                                      I get this overwhelming feeling that we are taking Victoria's firing harder than Victoria is herself.

                                                                      [–]AllenHo 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                      This will soon be an Oscar contending movie written by Aaron Sorkin. Jimmy Fallon as Alexis Ohanian. Kate Mara as Victoria Taylor. And Ellen Pao played by...Emma Stone.

                                                                      [–]marvin_sirius 45ポイント46ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                      How many reddit posts do we need linking to articles quoting reddit posts?

                                                                      [–]ucantsimee 46ポイント47ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                      How many reddit posts do we need linking to articles quoting reddit posts?

                                                                      [–]dietmoxie 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      All of them

                                                                      [–]Merlord 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      Actually this is a reddit post linking a blog which got all it's information from another, more reliable blog, which was quoting a reddit post. Sometimes I fucking hate web news.

                                                                      [–]mrizzerdly 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      https://xkcd.com/978/

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                                                                        [–]bobsp 51ポイント52ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                        To be fair, Alexis has always been a bag of shit.

                                                                        [–]typemeanewasshole 145ポイント146ポイント  (33子コメント)

                                                                        But....this doesn't fit our angry narrative....

                                                                        [–]dowhatuwant2 40ポイント41ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                        Yes it does, we hate them both.

                                                                        [–]6ickle 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                        And redditt are just a bunch of bullies.

                                                                        [–]DeanKeaton 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        And redditt are just a bunch of bullies.

                                                                        "Redditors" not "redditt" w/ extra "t". Get it right or we'll kick your ass figuratively.

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                                                                          [–]NyranK 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          Sure it does. People were pissed off with censorship, poor communication and shitty management decisions.

                                                                          They didn't take down the subreddits because 'Man, fuck that Pao chick', they did it because Victoria was fired out of the blue and left them all hanging, after many previous issues of questionable management.

                                                                          Pao has her own issues, but this latest shitstorm was directed at her because blame floats to the top. She was the CEO, so she's held accountable for management. If Alexis was pointed out as the person to blame at the start of all this, that's where the venom would have been directed instead.

                                                                          As it is now, all the steam's gone. It'll take something new to rile people up again, rather than rehashing an issue people thought was resolved.

                                                                          But even then, they'll pick someone people are already angry with, blame them, reshuffle things around so the next person to show up has a clean slate to fuck us over from.

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                                                                            [–]FullSharkAlligator 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            Another embarrassing chapter for reddit users

                                                                            [–]ablebodiedmango 32ポイント33ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                            Sounds like reddit pulled another Boston Bomber.

                                                                            Fucking hilarious.

                                                                            [–]Rytlockfox 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                            Perfect analogy. Though we knew this information from day 1 and yet if you mentioned it you got downvoted to hell.

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                                                                              [–]anumati 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              It's almost as if the inner workings of reddit don't fit the narrative created to support the prejudices of some segments of reddit.

                                                                              [–]p3rspxv 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                              Shit... I just put my pitchfork back in the attic...

                                                                              Can I be a torch guy this time?

                                                                              [–]bumblevee23 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              The plot thickens...

                                                                              [–]U2_is_gay 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                              It's ridiculous that a Chairman would have direct influence over firing someone in Victoria's position. She wasn't C-level. She was important, but just a staff member nonetheless. Surely there were numerous people between Alexis and Victoria. Did she sodomize the guy's cat or something. Why would the Chairman of a 500 million dollar company take the time to personally decide to fire a mid level employee.

                                                                              This is the juicy shit everyone wants to know about.

                                                                              [–]wipeyournose 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              Goddamn who fucking cares about this high school drama Bull shit? Leave this shit ass site if you don't like it. A bunch of fucking Pansy's, I swear.

                                                                              [–]daredaki-sama 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                              why is this shit news?

                                                                              and why is this on /r/technology?

                                                                              [–]kajaxoga 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              Alexis is pretty big in the technology community. It's news about him. Makes sense.

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                                                                                [–]you_shall_not_reddit 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                The awkward moment when you tar and feather the wrong person...

                                                                                [–]Spiralyst 12ポイント13ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                                                                So does the Reddit community owe Pao an apology now?

                                                                                Communication is the most important tool we have, especially in business. All of this was a result of poor communication and nothing else. Shame.

                                                                                [–]sheeeeeez 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                There was a post on punchable faces with Ellen's face with the title "Ching Chong Ding Dong" with 2-3000 upvotes. This site does not exactly have the mental state to apologize for their dumbassery.

                                                                                [–]munchbunny 48ポイント49ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                Some of us already owed Pao an apology for the many lines that were crossed. She may have done some bad things (can't tell for sure because of the corporate veil), but nothing to deserve the kind of vitriol and other things she got.

                                                                                Unfortunately the ones who crossed lines are also mostly unlikely to recognize that and apologize.

                                                                                [–]Spiralyst 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                Reddit can turn in to quite the beast when it wants to. The riot mentality is strong on this site. Seems like in a 48 hour period the memes and jokes kept taking darker and darker turns. The entire time all I could think about was that this is a human being. Why do we feel so entitled to take whatever umbrage we might have with someone's performance and turn it in to a reason to just be nasty and cruel? I have higher hopes for Reddit, but sometimes it can really disappoint.

                                                                                [–]Merlord 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                People say that it's because on the internet we don't see the faces of the people we harass, which dehumanises them. While that is part of it, I think the bigger issue is that there are few social ramifications for internet activity, so people's true colours come out. The internet is really showing just how much of our moral behaviour is due to social pressure, rather than any inherent human 'goodness'.

                                                                                [–]Spiralyst 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                It's one of those situations where I agree with you but wish I didn't because it's pretty sad.

                                                                                Even as we speak I've encountered a Redditor, u/Surprise_Racism, who is the prefect example of what we're talking about. A brief scan of his history will show you just how scummy Reddit gets. This guy has -100 comment karma. Literally every single post of his is hateful and used to break up conversation and just be a distraction. It's a shame we can't ban accounts that are obviously not used for anything other than to hurt other people. And his comments are prolific. Which means some sad soul is actually signing in day in and day out with no motive other than to be a gigantic pain in everyone's ass and say as many mean things as he can. What a travesty.

                                                                                [–]TheRetribution 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                Sure, I'll apologize for this one, even if I didn't personally accuse her of anything. There's plenty of other things to not like her about anyway.

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                                                                                  [–]FunMop 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  I thought we knew that?

                                                                                  I thought the Pao hate was more because of the lack of knowledge of Reddit and the direction it seems Reddit's being taken.

                                                                                  [–]galva169 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  I'm running out of popcorn here.

                                                                                  [–]RandomRedditReader 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  We did it again reddit...

                                                                                  [–]sunburntsaint 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  how about who the fuck cares. I mean seriously, the entire time this bullshit lynch mob has been going it has been "its not that they fired her but the overall lack of communication from admins in all things reddit" I just wish everyone would just shut the fuck up and go back to the normal goings on.

                                                                                  [–]bobconan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  This is like a fucking movie. Its the surprise ending where we all get to feel regret for hating the wrong person......

                                                                                  [–]bakuretsu 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  For a while I thought I had accidentally unsubscribed from every sub except /r/circlejerk.

                                                                                  [–]GothicToast 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  So what you are saying is, we all had a knee jerk reaction without all the facts and forced decisions to be made that drastically altered someone's life... only to find out a week later that we got the wrong person in trouble?

                                                                                  As an American, I wouldn't have it any other way.

                                                                                  [–]DongleNocker 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  I am not sure who the hell to believe anymore, but what I do know is that I am getting really tired of the censorship, banning of subs, and the drama that doing so created.

                                                                                  [–]fartuckyfartbandit 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  a reddit employee leaked this on 4chan last Tuesday. Way to stay current /r/technology

                                                                                  http://i.imgur.com/07tdYEP.png

                                                                                  [–]flintforfire 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  This needs to be on the front page for a while. One of the main reasons Pao was demonized was for the firing of Victoria. The only other possible grievance was the banning of certain subs. If I owned reddit I would ban a lot more disgusting subs than she did.

                                                                                  [–]lowdownporto 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  i got an idea... maybe reddit should stop with the witch hunts... i dunno just a crazy idea.

                                                                                  [–]bud05cab 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                  Transparency. Seems like reddit has none. But what do I know? Probably nothing. This is making my head hurt.

                                                                                  [–]tommo_95 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  To be honest Internal hiring and firing should be a matter for the business only. No one knows why victoria was fired and that's the way it should be. The company isn't going to flat out tell everyone why she was fired because that could ruin her future employment opportunities.

                                                                                  This whole saga was blown way out of proportion.

                                                                                  [–]wildcarde815 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  This has nothing to do with transparency, it has to do with employee privacy and not wanting to get sued.

                                                                                  [–]iPadCamera 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Well, this is pretty funny. Considering the shitstorm, basically, that people threw to get Pao out.

                                                                                  [–]FlareUnderscore 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  I hate Facebook drama-Reddit

                                                                                  [–]Funktapus 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  I hope you guys feel dumb for blaming everything on her

                                                                                  [–]RufusMcFly 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  This was known previously and ignored. The anti Pao thing had nothing to do with Victoria's firing. It was a movement that was growing among the racists and sexists of this site for weeks. They opportunistically used Victoria's firing to blur the narrative and get the useful idiots of Reddit to remove Pao for them. Mission fucking accomplished, you dolts.

                                                                                  [–]ImSorryForWhatISaid 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  This is your fault reddit. Yours. For all you know Victoria was having sex with the maintenence staff on the conference room table and stealing from the petty cash box. But nevermind let's just join the gang bang and start protesting with zero facts. Point is you have zero knowledge of the truth and was in complete mob mentality. Maybe she is not reddit Jesus, but you know what? You people are the devil.

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