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[–]LividGGPartisan 93ポイント94ポイント  (33子コメント)

The most ironic part is that the social justice narrative likely contributed to labors defeat.

These people are a cancer on the left, and if they manage to gain too large a voice in the US, the democrats will likely lose to whatever insane figurehead the republicans come up with this time.

Honestly, I'm not sure I'm that against 'the other side' winning, being a staunch left libertarian myself - mainstream leftism has to wake up and do some fucking chemo therapy, and they won't do it untill they realize that backing the SJW narrative is a losing proposition.

[–]informat2 52ポイント53ポイント  (20子コメント)

These people are a cancer on the left, and if they manage to gain too large a voice in the US, the democrats will likely lose to whatever insane figurehead the republicans come up with this time.

This is my biggest fear. I really don't feel like spending another 4 years with Bush 2.0 just because SJWs pissed off the swing voters.

[–]LWMR 50ポイント51ポイント  (7子コメント)

Bush 3.0, surely? (GHW, GW and Jeb)

[–]Sporkosophy 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

Presidential Hat Trick.

[–]Sandwiches_INC 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

as long as i get free fries at arby's if i present my copy of the hat trick, i'll be ok

[–]Gingor 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Damnit, they should have just called him George, then it could be GHW, GW, G.

[–]BlizzardOfDicks 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bush 4.0 actually. (GHW, GW, BO and Jeb)

[–]MazInger-Z 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, first one was the beta test.

[–]Torchiest 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

We've already had six years and counting of Bush 2.0.

[–]BurnerNumber3 3ポイント4ポイント  (10子コメント)

Please for the love of God, Rand Paul 2016.

I'm a Republican, while I don't have too much of a problem with Bush... I just pray to Christ Rand can win the nomination.

[–]YVX 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

How do you feel about Bernie?

[–]Doyle524 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm a Paulaholic too (right/Constitutional libertarian), and honestly, I want to like Bernie so badly. A third party winning the presidency would be wonderful, and might even spark a bunch of positive electoral change. However, I just can't get behind his socialist platform.

I'm just happy that he will likely take votes away from Hillary in the same way that Perot did to Bush in 92.

[–]BurnerNumber3 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

I dislike the idea of Socialism and don't want it to take root in the country so... sad to say I'm not much of a fan.

Still arguably lives up to his ideals better than Ms. Clinton.

[–]YVX 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fair enough. As long as you don't vote for jeb or hillary you're cool with me. :)

[–]Iconochasm 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think he's an honest guy who genuinely believes in his terrible ideas. Clinton is a reprehensible scam artist, plain and simple.

[–]Cishet_Shitlord 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know if Rand is the best candidate to vote for yet on the repubs side, but I do know I don't want another Bush or Clinton. Like, we get it, let's move on.

[–]Flowers_for_Algernop -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I just pray to Christ Rand can win the nomination.

I'm sure you do, but no moderate is going to support that theocrat once people get a good look at his fake Libertarian bullshit. He's just like his father; an authoritarian who has the gall to masquerade as a Libertarian but not the guts to leave the GOP.

[–]BurnerNumber3 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

.> Called repeatedly for the NSA to be abolished .> Tax plan involves abolishing the IRA .> Filibustered the patriot act

He's done more to advance the cause of liberty than most, he may not be a perfect libertarian candidate but I'd vote for him a thousand times before I'd vote for Clinton or Bush.

[–]FlameFist 10ポイント11ポイント  (10子コメント)

Honestly, I'm not sure I'm that against 'the other side' winning, being a staunch left libertarian myself

I'm really not liking how American politics is turning out. I'm also left libertarian, and it appears that our Republican/Democrat split is steadily becoming left authoritarian versus right libertarian. I don't like either option and it's just going to make politics a lesser of two evils again.

[–]SideTraKd 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's always going to be the lesser of (two?) evils, no matter what.

Like fingerprints, there is probably not another single soul in the world that has the exact same ideological opinions as you do, across the board. There is almost certain to be at least some minor differences.

So, even if a promising candidate comes very close to matching your ideals, and their opponent does not, then you are still choosing the one that offends you the least.

Not to mention the fact that NO politician should be blindly trusted, and for good reason.

[–]FlameFist 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're right, but it's especially bad because American politics is ENTIRELY "Democrat versus Repubican" and due to the first-past-the-post voting system, that will never change. CGP Grey did a really nice video on how strategic voting and first-past-the-post inevitably results in a two-party system with no room for change.

I remember hearing something about a referendum going through various state legislatures that would call Congress to change the voting system away from first-past-the-post, but I don't remember the details at all.

[–]SideTraKd 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That isn't always entirely true... For instance, if it was always about Democrat versus Republican, then Bill Clinton would never have been president. And, in this case, we're really only talking about federal elections. Local elections have historically been a lot more diverse.

The bigger problem that we have is the concentration of power into a central government, above all others, and very tone deaf to any local concerns. The more we invest in a "one-size-fits-all" government, the less accountability, and less concerns for the needs of the common man.

This is why we're moving toward a more and more polarizing "left versus right" dichotomy.

[–]omwibya 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Can someone explain to me wtf is a left libertarian? Libertarians are right wing by definition. Individual freedom is on the right not the left just in case you wanted to make a pro abortion/gay rights argument.

[–]FlameFist 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's that, and I believe corporations do need regulations in place to prevent them from doing stupid things, like fucking up the environment and giving workers an OSHA-compliant workplace.

I also believe basic income is a fundamental right, which would actually benefit corporations by allowing minimum wage to lower drastically. If the government is already doling out the $9/hr living wage people need, corporations wouldn't have to face the "pay workers a living wage" argument and thus human labor could be a lot less expensive.

[–]omwibya 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

then you are not a libertarian. you are a socialist(albeit a moderate one). basic income being a fundamental right is strongly opposed by libertarians.

libertarianism is all about the non-agresion principle. You are not allowed to initiate violance upon others and their property. Libertarianism is based on respect for private property.

Regulations enforced by governments and basic income(ie: redistribution from others thru taxation) are violations of the non-agresion principle.

Know your definitions before indentifying as an ideology.

PS: wtf is a living wage? how do you determine that? isn't that rather subjective? do you realise that poor people in america are richer than the vast majority of people on the planet? (http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/06/01/astonishing-numbers-americas-poor-still-live-better-than-most-of-the-rest-of-humanity/)

[–]FlameFist 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

then you are not a libertarian.

I'm only going by those online chart quizzes that give you a bazillion questions and four quadrants at the end, and I always end up squarely to the left and squarely libertarian.

libertarianism is all about the non-agresion principle. You are not allowed to initiate violance upon others and their property. Libertarianism is based on respect for private property.

Regulations enforced by governments and basic income(ie: redistribution from others thru taxation) are violations of the non-agresion principle.

I think you're a lot more extreme libertarian than you'd think. Taxation is violence? No taxation at all? That's just untenable.

How do we fund disability programs? Do we just euthanize the crippled? If we had, wouldn't we have lost Stephan Hawking? What about Hotwheels?

How about schools? Should schools be privatized? Let alone how bad a lot of private schools are, wouldn't that automatically make an inherent class split between high-quality and low-quality schools? This class split does already exist, I admit; property value in towns with good schools is much higher than towns with worse schools. But privatizing the whole school system would both make that cost split incredibly transparent and pervasive, and impose the problem American colleges have with constant price inflation to everything down to kindergartens. How do we ensure the poor get their right to education?

And what about police forces and prisons? Who will fund those without taxation? Granted, in a more libertarian society we wouldn't need nearly as much of either, but we do need some in order to keep the peace and contain people who break the law. And don't even get me started on privatizing police forces and prisons; privatized police was tried with the Pinkertons, and Australia is privatizing prisons, and let's just say neither is a stellar example of corporate virtue.

Besides, how else is the government going to fund itself other than taxation? I don't think if Congress said "Hey everyone, we're going to stop taxing everything and you can just send us whatever money you feel comfortable with giving us" they would get any sort of revenue necessary to maintain government programs like the National Park Service.

PS: wtf is a living wage? how do you determine that? isn't that rather subjective? do you realise that poor people in america are richer than the vast majority of people on the planet?

I am aware of that, yes, and I have read that article before.

It's certainly rather subjective, but every time protests for increasing minimum wage come up on the news, there's always some guy saying "we don't have nearly enough to get by and it's all because greedy companies won't pay us a decent wage!" If there was a basic income, not only would that argument get shut down, but companies could safely pay $3/hr instead of $9/hr and know that the employees would be adequately provided for.

edit cuz typo

[–]omwibya 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

you are correct. I am a more extreme libertarian than most, in fact the most extreme category. I am an anarcho-capitalist, which is the more extreme side of libertarianism. I uphold the non-aggresion principle and take it to it's logical conclusion. It's definatelly not for everybody and I'm well aware of the fact that most people would regard this as utopic and unrealistic.

As for your objections about taxation and privatisation, you could probably find a detailed explanation on how each would work just by googling the subject and adding libertarianism to it. There have been plenty of articles and books written on the subject throughout the 20th century. I would sudjest you start with authors like Ludwig von Mises or Henry Hazlit if you are interested. You can find their books for free online.

I want to encourage you whenever you hear a leftist argument being made to read a libertarian article on it. Contrary to popular belief libertarians are on the right more than american conservatives.

[–]ZombyTed -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Again?

When has it been any different?

[–]FlameFist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

When I was less jaded and cynical.

[–]Lucky0Looser 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

British Labour chief: I’m going to make Islamophobia an aggravated hate crime.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/04/25/miliband-labour-would-outlaw-islamophobia/

Yeah, no way would I have voted for them.