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A Real Conservative: Scott Walker Officially Enters 2016 Presidential Race (townhall.com)

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[–]r4nd0md0od 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

ELI5 - What makes Scott Walker electable?

[–]Douglas-MacArthur 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well for the GOP nomination, from my perspective it's:

  • His conservative stance on most issues (this might seem like a given for all R nominees, but for certain issues it isn't). This would help over people like Jeb Bush.
  • His relatively clean name. This is a big help over people like Trump, but it's also a double-edged sword because his name also isn't well known.
  • His appearance (someone who looks like they can be the president can go a long way).
  • He can articulate ideas well, and in a rather non-controversial way. If you ask me, this is one of the biggest ones. Some of the runners, like Trump and Carson, can often destroy themselves with their own words. That's not to say Walker is the only one like this (Rubio comes to mind), but it certainly doesn't hurt his chances.

As for the national election, his chances of winning all depend on who his opponent is. It will likely be Hillary, in which case the fact that he is so clean while Hilary has so much controversy surrounding her will probably be the biggest factor.

I probably didn't cover everything here, so if someone else wants to chime in, feel free.

[–]Thread_check 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh trust me, we know who Scott Walker is.

[–]Douglas-MacArthur 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well someone who follows political happenings will know who he is, but I meant the general public.

[–]tjbalpha47Conservative Millennial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You forgot how he defended himself against the union thugs.

[–]cybermesh 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Some acquaintances of mine are union teachers in Wisconsin. Lots and lots of biased anti-Walker posts are in my future.

[–]Thread_check -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes, we are coming.

[–]Gstreetshit### 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wouldn't want to have to actually perform to keep your job. Thats oppression.

[–]lovegibletOpen Minded 16ポイント17ポイント  (8子コメント)

I think he has a real shot to land the nomination. He's very far right, consistent, and is coated in Teflon when it comes to media attacks.

[–]lovedeepweb 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

Trump's going to fizzle out like he always does, and the legit contenders will come through.

[–]TearsForPeersConstitutionalist 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Indeed. Let the Donald suck up all the media oxygen while Walker goes about doing the real work of winning.

[–]xwhy 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Trump will take the arrows, and fling a few back, and then someone else will emerge.

[–]DrBiochemistry 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's doing God's work being the lightning rod right now. Polls never give you a good idea what the scary topics are. Instead, Trump is trying to annoy everyone at once, to gauge reactions. The "real" candidates will learn from these speeches and improve.

Donald is really doing the GOP a huge favor. He's GGD.

[–]forlackofabetterword 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

He's also consistently won against unions and other challenges

[–]baldyloxRight Social Libertarian 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The left has thrown absolutely everything they have at the guy since he was elected governor. He's been personally attacked, subjected to frivolous lawsuits merely to harass him, forced bullshit recall election (which he won by a greater margin than the 1st election ... everything.

Walker comes out smelling like a rose and making the left look dumber and dumber every time.

A few months ago they tried a pre-emptive "but he never finished college!". That blew up in their faces when nobody gave a rat's ass.

Walker makes the left absolutely deranged because they can't take him down - or even put a little dent in him.

Watching even more derangement is going to be a laugh riot. I can't wait!

[–]rms141 7ポイント8ポイント  (13子コメント)

Presidential candidate Scott Walker seems much more indecisive than Governor Scott Walker. Can't get a straight answer from him on immigration, and he bent very quickly to pressure over a media advisor.

[–]matty25Conservative 3ポイント4ポイント  (10子コメント)

I agree on the media advisor but what is wrong with his comments on immigration?

Walker's stance is that he's for cracking down on illegal immigration and legal immigration should be based purely on economic reasons. What is so bad about that?

[–]rms141 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

Walker's stance is that he's for cracking down on illegal immigration and legal immigration should be based purely on economic reasons. What is so bad about that?

What's so bad about it is that it's a recent stance he's taken. He spent years being pro-amnesty.

[–]matty25Conservative 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yeah I am reading about that now.

As he explained it he had no impact on immigration in any of his previous positions and is free to develop his policy as he seeks a position where he would now have an impact.

So yeah, that's not great but of all the current candidates he has the best policy.

[–]rms141 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

So yeah, that's not great but of all the current candidates he has the best policy.

His current policy is the same as all the other candidates. Trump is the only one actually against amnesty, and willing to take action against illegal immigration in general.

Trump! Of all the friggin' people, the clown candidate is the one with the best position.

[–]matty25Conservative 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Both are currently strong against illegal immigration (and both have flip flopped in the past) although Trump toots his horn louder on that issue. But Trump is for the expansion of legal immigration.

Walker's immigration policy is based upon economic need, he doesn't want to expand legal immigration if the economy isn't calling for it.

So Walker's stance on immigration might actually be tougher than Trump's.

[–]rms141 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But Trump is for the expansion of legal immigration.

This is fine if illegal immigration can be halted entirely and existing illegal immigrants deported. I'm not anti-immigration.

[–]CherryCokeNixon 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Trump flip flopped on this issue too. He's just an opportunist.

[–]rms141 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Trump's a leftist on almost everything. But I'm hoping he can shame some of these other jokers into actually committing against illegal immigration and amnesty.

Come on, Ted Cruz.

[–]ultimisConstitutionalist 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

The reality is he was campaigning in a purple/blue state where immigration was not really a matter he was concerned with and he had no power to actually influence. Why lose votes in a state he is already at a disadvantage in?

[–]rms141 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

This stance predates his time as governor. And he had nothing to gain by being pro-amnesty in Wisconsin—the Democrats weren't voting for him anyway.

[–]ultimisConstitutionalist 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Moderates lean left there which is why that state has voted left for quite a while. All stating "I want all illegals rounded and tossed out of the country" would do is lose him votes and might have been enough so that he would have never been elected.

Regardless. Some issues people don't really consider until it is relevant to what they are doing. I have changed my position on crucial issues over the years as I learn more about it or it becomes more relevant to me. At one point I would have been indifferent to abortion (as I'm not religious) I am now pro-life (I'm still not religious).

[–]downsouthcountry 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The thing with elections is that they depend on the following: the best of all the evils. It's unlikely that you'll ever find a candidate you agree with 100%. 70-80% is the best you're most likely to get. Walker may not be perfect, but he's got the experience necessary to get the job done. Bush can't say the same, not after his immigration stuff. But Walker is a northern governor. Immigration doesn't impact him as much as it does Bush. Pick the best guy, don't look for the perfect guy. And for me, that's Walker

[–]rms141 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's unlikely that you'll ever find a candidate you agree with 100%. 70-80% is the best you're most likely to get.

It's entirely possible to get a serious candidate who isn't in lockstep with the entirety of the field on the same issue.

[–]bllasaeLibertarian Conservative 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah boy, let's get this done!

[–]ultimisConstitutionalist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Finally. Good luck Scott, you have a long road ahead of you (both with elections and fixing what Obama broke).

[–]Oedipus_Flex 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Lib here

Sorry this is kind of unrelated but I'm genuinely curious, how do you guys feel about Trump? Most of my conservative friends seem to think of him as a joke (granted they're pretty libertarian leaning and support Paul) but I see a decent amount of support for him on The Hill's facebook page.

On a side note, who do you guys support and why?

[–]alpachydermatologist 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Trump is a hack and the sooner he disappears, the better. Any self respecting conservative will agree. The media loves him, but the majority of the right think he is a buffoon.

Amongst conservatives here you will find solid support for Cruz, Paul, Walker, and maybe Rubio. Chris Christie and Jeb Bush are loathed. I think many like Dr. Carson, but he has said some dumb things such as gays choose to be gay. Fiorino hasnt really stood out, but maybe come debate time she will start to shine. I do think that experience plays a factor and the last two certainly lack it.

[–]johndeer89Moderate Conservative 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good.

[–]masdaq2 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

Lets be clear, Walker is no conservative. He is an establishment hack who has surrounded himself with the worst of the rino political thugs, such as Dayspring. He has, however, managed to cleverly disguise himself and as a result is fooling many conservatives.

[–]lovegibletOpen Minded 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Isn't he calling for a constitutional amendment to reverse obergefell? Plus all the damage he's done to Wisconsin unions? Yup, straight up commie right there.

[–]Natetendo83 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. You can make a solid case for how conservative he is just based on how much liberals despise him and the policies he has enacted in Wisconsin.

[–]ultimisConstitutionalist 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

The man implemented conservative policy in a purple/blue state. He won several elections there and fought off the Democrats on the national stage. In terms of competence the rest of the field pales in comparison. And as others stated he isn't aligned perfectly with all conservative positions, but he is with most of them. Absolutely zero of the candidates running align with me 100% and I'm a social and fiscal conservative. I pick the best man for the job and that weighs both how much they align with my political perspective and how likely it is for them to accomplish the job I sent them to Washington for.

As of now I feel Walker is the best suited to do this for conservatives.

[–]baldyloxRight Social Libertarian 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed. Zero candidates are going to align perfectly with any of our political leanings.

The question for 2016 is "who is the most qualified candidate to undo all of the damage that the Obama regime has done?'. It's clearly Walker.

He's doing it in Wisconsin. He can do it at the federal level as well.

[–]matty25Conservative 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

He's not a perfect Conservative but look at all of his accomplishments, both policy and political. The guy is no hack.

[–]AverageSloth 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's got my vote, I've seen what he has accomplished.

[–]tjbalpha47Conservative Millennial 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm so hyped! I think he he can really be a main nominee. Interested to see what he thinks in immigration.

[–]Atomicpenguin101 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't vote yet, but if I could he would be on my list.

[–]bigupurself7 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Will Romney endorse Christie or Walker?

[–]AverageSloth 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Hopefully Walker

[–]bigupurself7 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Does Romney still have influence ?

[–]ultimisConstitutionalist 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Seems like it. There was some stir early in the year where people were pushing him to try a 3rd time. So his endorsement should carry some weight.

[–]bigupurself7 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you read his exact words when he decided not to run he said there is somebody who may be running who is not very well known but embodies someone I word endorse. I'm just paraphrasing what he said but right away I thought it was Walker. I figured Christie was well known already.

[–]AverageSloth 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Another clue is Walker was supposedly asked by Romney to be his VP. Walker declined saying he couldn't leave because he had to worry about his own state and leaving for a year and a half would not be fair.

I think it'll be Walker, but we will have to wait and see to be sure.

[–]JoleneAL 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Romney needs to shut it and go be a grandfather.

[–]tenthreeleader -2ポイント-1ポイント  (9子コメント)

Walker is a good candidate but not the best on offer.

He has serious explaining to do both on immigration and social issues including right to life and gay marriage, and some of his campaign hires have been quite worrying, particularly pro-choice campaign spokeswoman Alleigh Marre, the Liz Mair fiasco and his hiring of conservative-killer Brad Dayspring.

Again, good conservative. But I think Republicans can do better, with all due respect.

[–]matty25Conservative 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

What's so bad about his immigration stance? He's all for cracking down on illegal immigration and he argues that legal immigration should be based solely on economic issues.

That makes sense to me; or am I missing something?

[–]tenthreeleader -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

Walker's immigration stance is, to put it gently, nuanced.

He has supported path to citizenship and has spent the last year trying to walk that position back with limited success.

He favored the Senate immigration bill that got Marco Rubio in such trouble, then said he'd sign an Arizona-type bill to allow police to stop illegal immigrants, then said such a bill would be a "distraction", and now says he'd sign such a bill again.

Conservatives ran Mitt Romney over the rack for that kind of flip-flopping. I'd like Governor Walker to take a position and stick to it.

[–]matty25Conservative 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ah I see, I didn't know he previously supported Rubio's bill.

His current position is fantastic though. It's better than Trump's "no illegal immigration, expand legal immigration" stance.

[–]tenthreeleader 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's my whole point. I'd like him to stick to something. He is a candidate I could support as the nominee IF he takes and holds his current positions.

[–]matty25Conservative 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I hear ya. Well don't write him off yet, he's just getting started.

As for his immigration policy. Most RINOs (like the WSJ editorial board) have put him on blast for his tough stance, not bc of any flip-flopping.

[–]tenthreeleader 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bearing in mind that the WSJ and the Chamber of Commerce are interested in cheap labor, that isn't surprising.

Over time, look for Walker's opponents to point out the changes in his position with rather more pinpoint accuracy than I have shown.

[–]JoleneAL -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

He needs to boot anyone with ties to Rove OUT!

And again, what is his stance on Common Core?

I gave up carrying worrying about the illegal issue years ago. Until the States are allowed to protect themselves by using their military, no one will do anything.

[–]tenthreeleader 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Walker's position on Common Core is also "nuanced".

His first term as governor included budgets that funded it, he helped kill a 2014 Wisconsin Senate bill that would have abolished it in favor of "creating new standards", and when he announced for re-election last year, he then favored "elimination".

He currently favors "opt out" for individual districts, a policy which is unlikely to eliminate Common Core.

[–]JoleneAL 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thought so.

I don't have children, but people in my life do and several have already gone the home school option. Their kids were failing where they were passing in the As and Bs area before Common Core.

And before someone hits me and says I don't have a dog in the hunt, my taxes are that dog.

[–]LupusSuperius -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sigh.

Our field is too crowded, and each new candidate, no matter how good, shoots us in the foot.

We aren't going to win this next presidential election. Plain and simple.

[–]chabanaisThe Bird's the Word -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We aren't going to win this next presidential election.

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