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[–]Fortehlulz33 289ポイント290ポイント  (18子コメント)

I see you buy Heinz ketchup instead of store brand. No aid for you.

[–]Firefoxray 69ポイント70ポイント  (12子コメント)

Oh I see you got Oreos and not that fake kind 2 Christmases ago cause of a treat. You must be stacked, stop trying to steal money from the government. no soup for you

[–]anotherChemicalAli 35ポイント36ポイント  (11子コメント)

Oreos are one of the few things that I have on my "must buy name brand" list right next to toilette paper and Mac n cheese in the shape of SpongeBob SquarePants

[–]Firefoxray 9ポイント10ポイント  (9子コメント)

Yeah me too. For some reason the imitation brand taste nothing like the original. It just taste awful and the paste taste like shit flavored with sugar and dyed brownish white.

[–]captainkaleb 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

But oreos are the off-brand copy...

[–]dwade420 106ポイント107ポイント  (1子コメント)

The ranch is extra. No problem. AID DENIED.

[–]Armandhino 725ポイント726ポイント  (113子コメント)

I live in Southern California and my dad works TWO JOBS 18 hours a day everyday besides Sundays and I told the lady at the financial aid office about that. She said, "Yeah well the government doesn't care, he's making a decent amount."

HE WORKS TWO JOBS 18 HOURS A DAY, OF COURSE IT WILL LOOK LIKE HE IS MAKING DECENT MONEY...

The system is so skewed.

Sorry had to get that off my chest. Good luck to everyone else applying for financial aid.

[–]wavecrasher59 361ポイント362ポイント  (46子コメント)

Jesus only 6 hours of free time a day? Your dad is going to die from working like that, I wish life wasn't so tough for good people.

[–]King_Pumpernickel 102ポイント103ポイント  (7子コメント)

That's not even "free time", he must need it all for sleep.

[–]svullenballe 57ポイント58ポイント  (5子コメント)

Like four hours sleep if he wants to eat and watch a fucking movie.

[–]King_Pumpernickel 62ポイント63ポイント  (3子コメント)

I an seriously so fucking angry over something I haven't had to experience. The school system is a fucking joke.

[–]_chinchillin 32ポイント33ポイント  (1子コメント)

I did it for a summer cause I wanted a better down payment on a car (that never happened) but I saw my dad do it 6 out of 7 days a week for 3 years. It was literally get up, go to work, come home and start getting ready for work again, eat, sleep, work. Rinse and repeat until Sunday. And he spent all day Sunday in bed. I hardly ever saw the guy.

[–]Atmoscope 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

My dad worked overtime and more to keep us afloat for 5 years. I rarely saw him, pretty much only when I came home from school and that was for 5 minutes. Went to work around afternoon, came back at 5-6 AM, slept for a couple hours and went to work. Had to eat at work and there was no time to watch TV or go to the store or hang out with us.

[–]joewaffle1 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck it all to hell the systems broken

[–]_chinchillin 30ポイント31ポイント  (5子コメント)

No, no, no....that's an hour to get home, 4 hours of sleep and another to get ready for work

[–]wavecrasher59 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm going to enjoy my sleep extra good tonight lol

[–]AladdinPoo 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Plus the hour to get to work after spending an hour getting ready.

3 hours of sleep.

[–]LordBiscuits 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fours hours of sleep and I'll go to bed in my boots.

[–]willmaster123 132ポイント133ポイント  (26子コメント)

It's the hard knock life. I work my regular job from 9-5 then my other job from 6-10, 6 days a week. Life is difficult.

[–]SeaNilly 183ポイント184ポイント  (6子コメント)

Ah and then 10-9 spent redditing I gotcha

[–]Jamcram 112ポイント113ポイント  (3子コメント)

i think redditing is the 9-5 job.

[–]domuseid 31ポイント32ポイント  (2子コメント)

The karma struggle is real y'all.

[–]joelrizner 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well its cause today was Sunday.

[–]Ukani 24ポイント25ポイント  (4子コメント)

Honestly at that point if I had no kids I would just say fuck it and hop on the closest cargo train across country. Living as a hobo adventuring across the open country, checking out all the scenery, and sleeping with the stars would be pretty appealing.

[–]unoriginalusername5 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think that it's rare for celebrities to sleep with hobos..

[–]Kenhamsbible 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rare but not unheard of.

[–]Fuck-Turtles 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds like it's all fun and games until you get diarrhea.

[–]CaterpieLv99 14ポイント15ポイント  (4子コメント)

How many kids do you have? That's crazy... I work 40 hour weeks minimum wage and only half of my income goes towards living expenses (I rent one room in the city). That includes eating lunch and usually dinner out

[–]Skepticali 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

What city? That's crazy, in California min wage would probably barely rent you an out house let alone being poor and having a room mate or two.

[–]Calicee 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

I can't believe I sit here complaining about my free time working 8 hours a day 6 days a week. I'm sorry, man.

[–]jozzarozzer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

And there's kids starving in Africa. There's always someone worse off than you, doesn't mean your problems aren't valid.

[–]DroppinDurians 22ポイント23ポイント  (10子コメント)

Whoa wait! Are you going to a CSU or a UC?

If your family makes under $80,000- you qualify for the UC Blue and Gold opportunity plan and your entire 'tuition and fees' costs are waived.

If your family makes below $150,000- you qualify for the Middle Class Scholarship:

40 percent of systemwide tuition and fees for students whose family income is up to $100,000, and

between 10 percent and 40 percent of systemwide tuition and fees for student whose family income is up to $150,000 per year (based on a sliding scale).


-EDIT-

Just did some more google-fu and that is avenger2142 is right! The UC website has super vague description about qualifications:

UC's Blue and Gold Opportunity Plan will ensure that you will not have to pay UC’s systemwide tuition and fees out of your own pocket if you are a California resident whose total family income is less than $80,000 a year and you qualify for financial aid — and that's just for starters.

So if your family has a significant amount of assets like a house, it will definitely reduce the amount of financial aid you have.


This is a good time to plug in something about voting for higher education.

Yes, the system seems incredibly rigged because there simply isn't enough funding support for higher education like there has been in the past(which was why UCs are increasing enrollment from out of state/international students- because they bring in a lot of money with out of state tuition).

UC Berkeley funding example: chart - Only 20% of funding is from the state.

But there is something you can do about it- if you want to better your community, you can make a difference through civic engagement(and not only just voting in the big presidential elections too)

An interesting tidbit of info: chart- Prison funding in California gets the same amount of state funding as higher education(~10%).

Voting rate by age: graph

38% of 18-24 year old votes, declining trend

49.5% 25-44, declining trend

63% 45-64, declining trend

69.7% 65 and over, increasing trend

Population by age in California:

Under 18- 24% of population

18-24- 10% of population

25-44- 26.6% of population

45-64- 26% of population

65+ - 13% of population

Voting demographic source: https://www.census.gov/prod/2014pubs/p20-573.pdf

Age distribution: http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-03.pdf

Another tangent thought- We should also look into how much the administrative glut is increasing the cost of higher education.


Alternatives for cheaper education:

Going to a community college first to get your general edu classes(intro classes, basic math/english) out of the way and save over $20,000 in tuition and fees(and save at least $15,000 more if you live at home and go to a local CC). Then when you go out to your 4 year uni, you only have to pay for 2 years or tuition and housing before you graduate. To compare:

$46 per unit at a Community College

$248 per unit at a California State Uni

$271 per unit at a UC

$1,666 per unit at private school ( This rate is from USC- University of Southern California)

  • remember, your first two years of required GE classes will take about 60-70 units

Community college info:

Don't buy into the stigma and stereotype that CCs give you a shoddy education. I've had amazing professors in the wide range of subjects available at my CC- those who are actually passionate about teaching, profs who can actually know how to teach, smaller classes: better learning environment: making connections with prof is easier for rec letters, and profs with amazing edu backgrounds and/or work experience.

If you are lower income, you can get a BOGFeeWaiver to cover your entire tuition cost. There are also programs like Calworks(moms), Guardian Scholars(foster/homeless), EOP(low income), Second Chance(previously incarcarated), and other resources that can help you with loans, grants, scholarships, food/book/transportation vouchers, ect.

In California, you can do a transfer agreement to get into a UC. For CSU, just keep your gpa reasonably ok and finish your pre-reqs. Use assist.org for more info. Honestly if you make an effort to do well at a CC, most schools are within your reach.

It's also good to mention that if you plan to go to grad school, it doesn't matter much where you go for undergrad- as long as it isn't a school like DeVry or some for-profit BS school. You can go to a state school, do well, complete required courses for your grad program, participate in some research, do some work in something in your related field, get to know your profs for rec letters, and you'll be good. Might as well save yourself some money if you are planning to go into something like med school.

Also wanted to mention that I understand the stigma/feeling of 'missing out' by not going into a 4 year first.

Yes, some people will give you the look; and yes, you will miss out on those first 2 years of social stuff from stuff like dorming and ect. As much as I'd love to say something idealistic like 'experiences are priceless', my family just can't afford it. If I knew I can save my parents at least $20,000 by going to CC, I couldn't justify going over $40,000 in debt- especially since that money can go somewhere else. Additionally, it is relieving to be graduating without a heavy burden of debt to worry about(especially with this job market)

[–]Calicee 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Both of my parents make about 70k combined and I didn't get anything for my tuition.

[–]DroppinDurians 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Did you go to a UC? If so here's the website:

http://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/paying-for-uc/glossary/blue-and-gold/

What's covered

If you are eligible, your systemwide tuition and fees will be fully covered by scholarship or grant money. The plan combines all sources of scholarship and grant awards you receive (federal, state, UC and private) to go toward covering your tuition and fees.

Students with greater financial need can qualify for even more grant support to help defray other educational expenses (like books, housing, transportation, etc.).

You don't need to fill out a separate application to qualify for the Blue and Gold Opportunity Plan. You will receive the benefits of the Blue and Gold plan automatically if you qualify.

[–]avenger2142 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

This isn't quite true, B&G looks at a lot of things, not just income. Middle Class is currently on a ramp up system, where-in I think I am getting about 1500 a quarter, and it increases upwards.

[–]PrplMunkys 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That middle class scholarship of like less than $200...

[–]auntiechrist23 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

My CC had some of the same part time faculty as the CSU I attended... There were some outstanding professors. It's not all like Community, and it's not all bad if you have transfer goals in mind.

[–]wellitsbouttime 71ポイント72ポイント  (24子コメント)

your dad work 108 hours a week, every week? riiiiight.

before I get downvoted in to oblivion, yes of course the cost of higher education is fucked. not saying it isn't. I'm attacking the math. 108 hours a week and your body would shut down in month two.

[–]lonelyspirit 30ポイント31ポイント  (8子コメント)

This is true. I did this for awhile. I lasted about 3 weeks. Worst time of my life.

[–]wellitsbouttime 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

I did it for two weeks and was puking out back by the end of week 2.

[–]lonelyspirit 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wow, how do you puke out of your back?

[–]folame 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

He meant puking outback steaks he had the night before, folks. No?

[–]wellitsbouttime 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

this was actually at a steak house I was running in a college town, so graduation time hits and everyone goes out for these huge diners.

[–]that___dude 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

Can confirm. I did 70+ hours a week for two months. It was a warehouse and a fast food place. My mind felt disoriented and my joints were sore. I quit the fast food place when I had a nose bleed due to stress.

[–]wellitsbouttime 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

exactly. now add another 38 hours of work to that week, and how long do you think your body will stay together? it just won't.

[–]HollywoodJones 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

70+ hours a week was completely normal in my old unit in the Air Force. We had minimum 12 hour days while out in the field, but we also had mandatory exercises and drills on top of those. There's a reason domestic violence, suicide, and crime was 40% higher where I was than anywhere else.

[–]DLottchula 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I used to todo 60 hours a week, I quit and now im going to school. Fuck that shit bruh, I rather take a shot at doing something I love than grinding out 60+ hours a week to have stuff. I mean yea I still want Jays, a better car and a ton of clothes, but I like not walking with a cane even more.

[–]CabinOfWood 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

The only way that would be possible is with some extremely low-responsibility job that lets you have a nap, etc.

[–]wellitsbouttime 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

exactly. this post is such bullshit, I expect OP to say that he's a firefighter at job one, and test experimental dirt bikes at the other.

[–]jacer1099 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

My mother did the same thing. 5x12 hour shifts a week and 2x16 hour shifts.

My freshman year I wasn't eligible for anything. She quit the second job immediately after finding out. Sophomore year I got $5,500 in grants, plus she didn't have to work so much anymore.

What she did was crazy. She worked her ass off to help me. I was so stoked when she was able to relax.

[–]VerneAsimov 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

This shit pisses me off so much.

Couple years ago, my family was struggling so we decided we should try to get welfare temporarily while we find a job or better jobs. Nah, we made too much still. Below the poverty line, hitting up food banks whenever possible, $0 in the bank, no savings/emergency fund, and behind on bills is too much money. We're bouncing back now but no thanks to the government welfare. However, those food banks were a godsend.

Fuck that shit.

[–]Tiberius5115 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

The student aid system really kinda screws the middle class people who make enough money to live fairly comfortably. My father makes enough money to where my mom doesn't have to work, he didn't start making good money until I was probably a sophomore in high school. Not long enough to save money to pay for anyone to go to school. I was forced to get loans because my dads gross income was too high. I'm sure they do things like this on purposes because let's face it, 8% loans that you literally HAVE to pay make quite a lot of money.

[–]cascadiak 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Haha middle class, the life where the government puts you in with the wealthy group yet you have nothing to show for it. It's wonderful.

[–]olbleedyeyes 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

my parents apparently made too much from being unemployed for a combined 6 months. there jobs they were let go from was retail and factory work...

[–]matticans7pointO 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I feel you. Both my parents actually make decent money, but I'm the youngest of 4 so by the time I got to college, they had no money to spare for me. So out of desperation I applied to financial aid but of course they don't care about the details or the situation your really in, they just care about what the number on the paper says so I got denied.

[–]wellitsbouttime 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

the number of kids in college is taken in to account. the expected contribution of the other three is subtracted.

[–]Tillhony 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I remember some guy came in to present in our technical training one day. He was from Time Warner telling us shit about careers. Everyone in the class was looking mad interested and shit on purpose cause the culture of the school so everybody got to act accordingly.

But you can tell who the niggas that wasn't with were already from the body language and faces. Then in the opposite was the 2 niggas that everyone knew they was dead with cause they kept asking to many interesting questions.

But at one point the presenter starts making a chart on how much money you could make working in Time Warner. The shit was deadass like slightly better than min wage. He was writing this so slow in the board and everyone had enough chances to exchange faces in the class. Nigga was taking forever to write and the shit said $9/h starting, some shit I could get in mc donalds. He then went on to talk about how you work that for a while and take a exam, then you get $11/h, then you another 6 months and bam, take another exam, you making like $13 now. The increments were just dreadful, you had to work like 3 years to see anything that is remotely even worthwhile. Also you're gonna be working with fuckin Time Warner nigga like chill.

So before the class, our teacher said some shit about how this nigga is making bread, mind you. So he said he was making like around $60k/yr and I was like oh nice that's aight I guess. But then the nigga made another fucking chart. He basically took forever to make a fucking calender dude, it showed his schedule. So he said thats when he is working, and some smart nigga in class said his shit dont add up if he making this much per hour x that schedule = shit dont add up.

So then he said good question. The dude starts writing out how he also works overtime on these days and hours. The dude works like 60 hours a week son. I just had to feel kind of bad for him because he was in his mid 40s and only recently got a career that's pretty late. But at least hes doing his thing you know? I can respect that.

[–]thrasher_jake 60ポイント61ポイント  (0子コメント)

"You lied about how many candies were in the bag that one time? Next."

[–]thecatbiscuit 287ポイント288ポイント  (164子コメント)

Serious question: are you guys really getting denied aid or is it a joke for shits and giggles? My parents can barely afford the whole bundle of bananas, so I get full aid. What about you guys?

[–]cersei_and_jaime 555ポイント556ポイント  (127子コメント)

There's a threshold where you don't qualify for aid because you're "middle income" or median, but you don't make enough to pay for it out of pocket. Yes this happens to a lot of people.

[–]roberttylerlee 269ポイント270ポイント  (96子コメント)

I'm one of those people. I work part time, or did before getting laid off last week. My dad makes $130,000 per year. He won't pay a cent for my education. Fafsa won't give me shit because of what he makes. I'm going to have to take out a loan to pay for community college.

[–]cersei_and_jaime 112ポイント113ポイント  (38子コメント)

Yeah my parents were just above the cutoff so they helped me as much as they could but I still worked close to full time and had $20k in loans.

[–]gravysplit 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm on the same scenario. My mom works 3 jobs, and my dad works night shift and I have school. They try to say we are getting by yet I know that is just barely.

[–]ITasteLikePurple 36ポイント37ポイント  (22子コメント)

Your situation is different in that your father could afford to pay your tuition but he chooses not to do so. /u/cersei_and_jaime is talking about the situations in which the parents don't make enough to pay tuition out of pocket, yet make enough that they don't qualify for aid.

Also, IIRC, you can file for FAFSA without using your parents' income if they are unwilling to pay towards your tuition. I'm not exactly sure so don't quote me on that, but try to look into it. You may be able to use your own income.

EDIT: You can't not use your parents' income under the age of 25 except in special circumstances. I just remembered my friend did this and he uses his own income so maybe he had some stuff going on or some shit.

[–]cersei_and_jaime 51ポイント52ポイント  (11子コメント)

Unless the rules changed, the only way you could exclude your parents income was if you had your own dependent, were married, emancipated, military? And over 25.

[–]Courtbird 22ポイント23ポイント  (4子コメント)

You rock for knowing this. I have probably spent days arguing with people over this.

[–]cersei_and_jaime 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

I was an adjunct at a community college for a while. :)

[–]epiwssa 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

If you don't mind me asking, what subject did (or still do, maybe) teach?

[–]cersei_and_jaime 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Music.

[–]epiwssa 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well congratulations, you're now one of my favorite redditors.

If that's a consolation prize or anything, I guess.

[–]aidenator 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know where people get the ages 25 or 26 from but it's actually 24.

Will you be 24 or older by Dec. 31 of the school year for which you are applying for financial aid?

Will you be working toward a master’s or doctorate degree (such as M.A., M.B.A., M.D., J.D., Ph.D., Ed.D., etc.)?

Are you married or separated but not divorced?

Do you have children who receive more than half of their support from you?

Do you have dependents (other than children or a spouse) who live with you and receive more than half of their support from you?

At any time since you turned age 13, were both of your parents deceased, were you in foster care, or were you a ward or dependent of the court?

Are you an emancipated minor or are you in a legal guardianship as determined by a court?

Are you an unaccompanied youth who is homeless or self-supporting and at risk of being homeless?

Are you currently serving on active duty in the U.S. armed forces for purposes other than training?

Are you a veteran of the U.S. armed forces?

https://studentaid.ed.gov/sa/fafsa/infographic-accessible

[–]sad_handjob 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Or if you come from an abusive home

[–]cersei_and_jaime 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Right. Foster kids. They become emancipated from their custodial parents at 18.

[–]used_to_be_relevant 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

My foster parents just told me the other day that foster kids qualify for 2 years paid tuition to in state colleges.

Really could have used that information about 12 years ago.

[–]bumbletowne 15ポイント16ポイント  (8子コメント)

No. You cannot file for FAFSA without using your parents income until you are 25 years of age except in the case that you cannot contact them (like if your parents are in prison for child abuse of you and they legally cannot contact you... this is an issue a friend had, or emancipated with stipulations that they can't contact you), or are missing or dead. And even when you have one of these situations they often make you wait for years with tons of documentation and auditing just to make sure. My fiance was abandoned by his mother and had an abusive father who he left to couch surf while trying to go to college. It took two years for the FAFSA people to finally agree that he didn't have to include his parent's income and it took proving he was homeless AND not in contact with them.

[–]NK1337 18ポイント19ポイント  (6子コメント)

So basically Fasfa does whatever it can to make sure it doesn't have to actually give you any aid.

[–]Archensix 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well I mean, if the government gives useless students aid for education, how could they afford their more important defense budget?

[–]Deep_Fried_Twinkies 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

"Hey guys, should we cut the TSA budget by 50% to pay for the tuition of 125,000 disadvantaged students?"

"What? We need that money to buy new retinal scanners for our break room door. It's NATIONAL SECURITY!"

[–]G-manP 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm right there with you. Every year I go through the same bullshit with my FASFA in hopes that someone will take pity on me. I tell them that I've been completely independent for 3 years, that I can't force my parents to help me with my tuition, only to be shot down. It's fucked. I have one more year of school and I'm in ridiculous debt.

[–]PiCenter68 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Damn, your dad is making your experience the reality of being the average American.

[–]ss0889 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

yup, they dont give a shit what your specific situation is. if your parents make above the cutoff, they are EXPECTED to pay for college, otherwise you have to go for private loans instead. for which you need a cosigner, and generally the interest rate on those is something like 5-8% and begins the day you get the loan rather than the day you're expected to make your first payment on it.

[–]smashdragon 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

my dad died 3 years ago, we got some money for life insurance, but my family has posted 0 income for 3 years now. Still don't get a cent

[–]Kumdogmillionaire 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

Your dad is an ass. What kind of parent would willingly burden their child with thousands in loan debt

[–]roberttylerlee 16ポイント17ポイント  (6子コメント)

Going into my first semester last year, I was 8 months removed from my mom passing away, I was in and out of the hospital with an awful, awful case of salmonella that affected me from July to November, and I was severely depressed. I failed 4 out of 5 of my classes. He saw it as $2500 down the drain and a failed investment. I then took a semester off, and worked part time from April to last week. Upon me telling him that I got laid off, the first thing he said was "You got fired."

[–]SQUID_FUCKER 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Do you begrudge him at all? As someone who is older but with no children, I kind of see where he is coming from. Is he also eight months removed from losing his wife? I'm sorry, this sounds like a tough situation all around, I wish you the best. Don't get discouraged though, you have to keep pushing forward. PM if you ever need.

[–]roberttylerlee 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

They had been divorced for 10 years. And the split wasn't clean.

[–]I_CAPE_RUNTS 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

I hope you aren't mad at your dad. Any smart financial method states that a parent needs to save for their own retirement before they begin to think about paying for your tuition. That's common financial sense.

[–]trashcollect 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Common financial sense should include not having kids you can't afford.

[–]nestorishere 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you read his post, the dad initially "invested" in the kid by paying for his tuition, then he failed out which led to him not paying for this tuition anymore.

Going into my first semester last year, I was 8 months removed from my mom passing away, I was in and out of the hospital with an awful, awful case of salmonella that affected me from July to November, and I was severely depressed. I failed 4 out of 5 of my classes. He saw it as $2500 down the drain and a failed investment. I then took a semester off, and worked part time from April to last week. Upon me telling him that I got laid off, the first thing he said was "You got fired."

[–]yakri 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I had to take out a lot of loans for community college with aid. CC in oregon is outrageously expensive.

[–]Tigerbones 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

What happened to me. My parents are well enough off to give me a good childhood but not pay for college. Reeeeally fucking lucky that the GI Bill is transferable.

[–]evoneli 7ポイント8ポイント  (14子コメント)

I make 12 k a year. Got aid. Got married last year, make under 25 ish, no aide for you!!

[–]cersei_and_jaime 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

That's lame. Did they count your wife's income?

[–]evoneli 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

Am wife. Yeah, husband makes same as me, about 12k ( lost his second job) so the double in income knocked me completely out. It's a community college, so the expenses could have been much worse.

[–]Renmyra 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

How about don't get married until you finish college? Sounds simple enough.

[–]TrishyMay 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

My financial aid improved drastically by marrying in college.

[–]cersei_and_jaime 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oops sorry about that. Yeah at least CC is a reasonable amount for tuition

[–]macz0211 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Woah wait, you're joking right?

[–]TrishyMay 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's like poverty level. There's a problem with your application if you don't qualify for aid.

[–]Wwmm25 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know this is just a factor but many Americans live a life they can't afford, but I agree this is huge problem.

[–]SnowOhio 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like me! I went from having a big financial aid package freshman year to none because my parent's income increased by a tiny amount, but it was over whatever the cutoff is. The increase is substantially less than the aid I lost out on so it's really frustrating to have to take on way more debt than I'd anticipated.

[–]Ohh_Yeah 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

There's also a worse scenario, which is "your parents are divorced and your dad doesn't contribute because he doesn't have to, but he makes 5x more than your mom and you get no aid because of it"

[–]AvoidNoiderman 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

Dude if your parents are divorced you absolutely do not have to put your dads income if you live with your mom and he pays her child support. Ive done my own fafsa 4 years in a row and I have never put a single piece of my dads info on there

[–]cersei_and_jaime 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ugh. That's awful. My husband had the "dad won't pay shit for college unless he changes majors" issue. So he was on his own, too

[–]winstrol_cycle 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What if you're in your twenties and living on your own? What do your parents have to do with it then?

[–]banana_lumpia 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

My parents make just about enough money that I have a little bit of aid from FAFSA, but not enough that they can help me.

[–]bumbletowne 35ポイント36ポイント  (4子コメント)

A lot of it depends on where you live. In Oakland, the "i'm eating ketchup packets and stealing shoes' poverty level is 38000 a year. Fafsa doesn't recognize that regions have very different costs of living and a starving kid in oakland would get less aid.

[–]JaySeaEl 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

Exactly, my parents are upper-middle class by income, but we live like lower-middle class. The jobs pay more here, but a small house costs 600,000 dollars.

[–]24hourtripod 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

They don't give me any aid either. My mom makes around 60k a year. She is also going to school and fasfa says she is going to contribute 8 thousand a year for my education. I don't see where they get their numbers sometimes.

[–]TheApuglianKid 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

My parents combined income is too high for me to receive aid, but they don't pay for any of my education, only the money i save by living with them

[–]wtfisdisreal 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

same, my EFC is zero. i get all the financial aid.

[–]YearlyHipHop 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

When I did mine my EFC was 10k, which was about 20% of my parents income for a family of six.

[–]Lifeguard2012 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mine was 19k in a family of 8 (6 kids) with 3 in college. Yeah right, FAFSA.

[–]KJones77 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Both have my parents were unemployed for nearly a year. I got the same aid package I got when they were employed + an extra $750 per semester upon reconsideration. The initial aid package was just a couple thousand. FAFSA is a joke.

[–]F_i_z_z 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I got denied financial aid while my mother was a teacher and my father was a social worker and I was told according to the guidelines, their combined ~60k income should be able to pay for my $15k yearly expenses out of pocket.

[–]yakri 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I get full aid, but then also my younger sister doesn't because my dad recently got a small amount in back wages, which mind you, are not going towards her education, her own paycheck is doing that.

[–]TorinoCobra070 42ポイント43ポイント  (0子コメント)

Delivery charge instead of free take-out?! DENIED!

[–]ChoosetheSword 35ポイント36ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gotta be a fuckin paleontologist with a book out to get a grant these days.

[–]Bezant 41ポイント42ポイント  (11子コメント)

Option A) FAFSA cares about your parent's theoretical ability to save and help you with college expenses. Students from poor families get access to the aid they need. Students with parents who could help but don't are forced to take out loans. FWIW, I came from a welfare background, 0EFC, and a big chunk of my aid was loans. There's just not enough grant money for everyone who needs it.

Option B) FAFSA lets people say 'well my parents don't want to help'. Well-off parents decide to let financial aid foot the bill. Overall aid pool gets severely diluted because suddenly Bill Gates' kids are claiming their slice of the pie, hurting the poorest students who can't attend college without financial aid the most.

Option C) We as a society actually vote for people who will allocate less of our tremendous resources to blowing up brown people and more to educating everyone.

Don't blame FAFSA.

[–]jackster1232002 30ポイント31ポイント  (7子コメント)

Option D. You standardized tuition on a national level. Tuition has been escalating for the last decade. Nearly triple the amount. There is no way to increase financial aid without raising taxes. Handing out more free money is putting a band aid on the issue as tuition can just double and the same shit is repeated.

[–]PrplMunkys 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've heard of quite a few wealthy families in my area who have kids getting financial aid. I just don't understand how they do it and not get caught. Lucky bastards. Save some for the rest of us "/

[–]HellaciousHelen 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

1-800-MIS-USED reports fraud or abuse involving the US Dept of Education. You know, for those egregious offenders.

[–]SoemthingFunny 22ポイント23ポイント  (12子コメント)

How I played the student aid game:

1) wait until age 24 to go back to school after first year.

2) work a lot. Outside, inside, traveling, being sedentary, etc. realize this is the only way to figure out what you are capable of, like, dislike, can endure, etc.

3) don't have kids.

4) don't get married.

5) get in state tuition.

6) make shit for money the entire year before you go back to college.

7) reapply for financial aid and be showered in pell grants because you're poor and your parents' income is no longer a factor.

8) still graduate with student debt, but only because it helped you pay the bills and focus on a full time school schedule.

AND THATS IT! That's allllll you have to do.

[–]Celeras 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fuck, this sounds like where I'm heading.

[–]SoemthingFunny 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good. Work. Know thyself... then make big decisions. Keep the shiny side up dude.

[–]cascadiak 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

This should be front page material. An instruction guide for how to go to school.

[–]SoemthingFunny 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey, that's really nice of you. My life wasn't THAT hard, but fuck me does it hurt to be middle class. Gotta play that stupid fucking game, all the time.

[–]parannoyedandroid 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is what I'm doing right now, way better than my fucking acquaintances who are up to their eyeballs in debt. Plus when I finally get my degree I'll have way more work experience to qualify for that "FIVE YEARS PRIOR EXPERIENCE" entry level job everyone bitches about their degree not getting them.

[–]symberke 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well you presumably wouldn't be able to get a job in your future field without the degree, and any job asking for years experience means at a similar position, not in just any full time job, so...

[–]Tera_GX 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just now hitting me, things like these are probably contributing to the "disappearing middle class" effects. If you don't qualify for financial aid this year, maybe you'll qualify next year.

[–]1102Loveyourdog0404 48ポイント49ポイント  (7子コメント)

Fucking

Asshole

Federal

Student

Aid

Spells F.A.F.S.A for those who didn't catch OP

[–]friedhorsebuttholes 69ポイント70ポイント  (6子コメント)

thanks i cant read

[–]Musingmike 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

FYI, reading comprehension is generally a worse issue for people than reading.

[–]kinnelonfire75 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wouldn't be a problem if your parents didn't work hard and your EFC was 0. /s

[–]PowerGamersPodcast 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

10/10 post. The overwhelming accuracy is both hilarious and soul-crushing.

[–]Serrated_Banana 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

My parents are pretty middle class so I didn't qualify for a lot of aid. Except they had nothing to do with my schooling. It's a completely flawed system that assume parents will pay their children's college education. My parents paid for nothing when it came to my schooling, but I got super screwed.

[–]SRFG1595 13ポイント14ポイント  (33子コメント)

And this is why you do your best in high school. I come from a middle class family that made enough to disqualify me from a lot of federal aid but not enough to pay for my college education. Knowing this, they made sure I took school very seriously. It's, without a doubt, the greatest thing they ever did for me. Now I'm going to graduate with a bachelors degree while $0 in debt because of scholarships.

Please, people, force your kids to give a shit in school. It's the best thing you can do for them.

[–]Pietrangelo27 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

If I could go back in time and tell my freshman self this, I still wouldn't have done it. Most high schoolers don't understand how much money that shit is. High school was as easy as a hooker in the red light district, but I didn't give a shit and would rather get stoned with my friends than do actual school work.

[–]yungmung 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Cal Grant and other scholarships have reduced a hefty $33K cost to only $8K. Pretty happy that performing well in high school allowed me to receive so much generous aid.

[–]SRFG1595 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's awesome, man! You actually are getting more money than me a year; my university is just cheaper (20k a year for in-state tuition) so I won't have any debt. But getting a 33k education for 8k is dope. I'm happy for you.

[–]HollaDude 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're totally right, but a lot of kids are idiots (like me). The thing that sucks is by the time you realize what you need to do, it's too late to go back and fix past mistakes. It sucks how much the stupid things you do as a kid can fuck you up years down the line.

[–]banana_lumpia 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's hard to actually force someone to do good in school, but you can help them. It probably doesn't help that our teachers are underpaid and half of them don't give a shit what happens to you.

[–]SRFG1595 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Shitty teachers is a very unfortunate reality of many inner city schools. That's why I said it's important that parents do as much as they can in regards to helping their children succeed. Sadly, a lot of parents don't care either. It makes my heart ache to think about the whole situation.

[–]banana_lumpia 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I wouldn't say a lot, but I would bet that at least half of those parents are busy putting food on the table and some kids just get put off school because they feel that the system is fucked up.

For my experience, I've had to deal with teachers who didn't know what they were doing and I practically learned nothing from them and had to do it on my own.

[–]SRFG1595 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's true but so were my parents. My stepdad worked one 12 hour a day job and my mom worked two jobs for a total of 16 hours a day.

It's all about instilling those values young and reinforcing them all throughout adolescence.

[–]hayfaceyes 4ポイント5ポイント  (21子コメント)

Not everybody can be perfect at school, but we shouldn't make it so financially hard to get a higher education.

[–]EByrne 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same happened to me. When I was 13, my parents told me they were in rough shape financially, and would not be able to contribute any money to my education. If I wanted to go to college, I would have to be on loans, and scholarships.

So that's what I did. Took school seriously, maintained good grades and extracurriculars, got lots of AP credits, and got a very generous scholarship offer from one of the colleges I applied to. It wasn't my first choice, and wasn't the best school I was accepted to, but it was the best one that I could afford to go to. In the end, I came out of a $200,000 4-year program with $20k in student loan debt (mostly stafford).

Yeah, it kinda sucked at the time, but it worked out. 14 shouldn't be too young to take some responsibility for your own future.

[–]Legym 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

Better to be either very poor or very rich.

[–]redfatty888 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

Definitely not better to be very poor lol, more aid for college but still poor

[–]-NightProwler- 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm honestly unable to afford any college tuition fees without using student loans, and I don't want to be in crippling debt for years, spending 10% or so of my paycheck to pay it off. Is it alright to just go to a community college instead of some fancy university? There's a community college near me that charges $3,000 a year (very affordable to me).

[–]KanyeExcuse 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It depends on your ambitions. It'd be a bit of a money saver to do community college for two years and then transfer to an actual university.

[–]anoxy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have to start chipping away at that fucking colossal mountain of debt next month. Can't defer any longer. I wish I never would have taken aid.

[–]Randyh524 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Both my parents are immigrants and barely speak English, I dropped out of high school at 16 years of age to help my family out. Got my GED at 18 and worked a min wage job until I was 29. I decided to go back to school and get aid and they told me i never signed up for selective service. I wrote an appeal explaining my situation and how I had no idea that I needed to sign up for it and they didn't care, if wasn't incarcerated or physically unable to sign up then I don't have a chance in the world to get aid. This seriously crippled me and any hopes of me becoming a doctor. I'm still trying though. I won't let it stop me.

Edit: my parents didn't know, I didn't know. I didn't get a drivers license until I was 21 and Secretary of State didn't inform me, I never visited a post office. I can't get federal loans or get a federal job ever in my life. It almost makes me cry when I think about it. One day when I succeed at my goals I will look back and say I made it without the aid of my government.

[–]RamboUnchained 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Meanwhile, Germany gives free tuition no matter what your income is. And most European countries have tuition that's less than $1,000 per year. We're in the land of the free...and the greedy...more emphases on the latter.

[–]banana_lumpia 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

the greedy are free to rob us some more!

[–]OnixHF 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

My university tuition will be 100% free for a four year course. Only have to pay for accommodation, and you can avoid that if you study in your home town and stay loving at home. Everyone no matter of family income also gets £4,750 a year in a long term student loan and if you earn under like £37k you get more and also free money too.

[–]mojobytes 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lucky, wish I never took student loans.

[–]kurtilingus 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I sort of see the force-fed silver lining in the unpleasant fact that the EFC (Estimated Fam Contribution) for student loans is set so very rigidly. Regardless of the fact that you might have very low-income or perhaps deadbeat parents, the government is basically refusing to let you take out an even bigger massive loan at the age of 18-24 without any reasonable idea of how you're going to pay it back while most likely only having the real-world work experience of a minimum-wage/entry-level job up until that point. That's not justifying any part of this broken system whatsoever, just one way of looking at it.

[–]MiatasAreForGirls 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was pressured into taking out private loans at a higher rate.

[–]Mr_Conway_Twitty 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

My mom and dads income combined was too much for me to get aid. I was working a shitty fast food job, my dads income is from social security because hes type 1 diabetic and cant work anymore and a lot of my moms income goes to his health needs. But all FAFSA sees is numbers. You cant try and explain your sutuation or anything. I ended up being able to get a waiver so I didnt have to pay tuition (I think its just a California thing) and that was good enough for me. It was community college and everything else I was able to pay for myself. Barely. But I managed to scrape by.

[–]jackster1232002 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

If this is the case, your EFC is based on the amount your parents filled on their tax returns. Considering most of it goes into medical expenses, your parents should have itemized lowering their taxable income. I'm assuming they didn't do so. But perhaps this is something that should look into when filling for 2015 tax returns.

[–]wellitsbouttime 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

good to see some common sense near all this circle jerk.

[–]MsCrane 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am sympathetic to people who can't get aid because they're in that awkward income bracket that is neither rich nor poor, but I still think that's better than getting lots of aid and growing up in poverty. I had this conversation in school a lot because I was one of the students who got lots of aid (though half of it was in the form of government subsidized loan, so I still have a lot to pay back), while other friends were in that median group who had to apply for private loans to pay for school. My friends were bitter about it because from their perspective they weren't rich because there wasn't a lot of money to spare month-to-month growing up. I asked them, however, if their parents worked one or two jobs. The answer was always "one." I asked them if their parents owned a house, and the answer was always "yes." That's not to say there aren't parents working two jobs and rent who disqualify their children from aid, but it's definitely not going to be as common.

Particularly with the house ownership thing, I think when people are young they don't see how beneficial that asset is, even if it means paying for college is more difficult. When my mother dies I will have nothing to inherit, which means the money I make now is all the money I'm ever going to see for the rest of my life. My friends, on the other, will get life insurance payouts, all or part of a house, and maybe even some additional money from other investments. It seems really far off when you're young, but it's part of how families retain wealth and prosperity over generations. You might have had a hard time paying for college but you'll be able to help yourself and your children later in life because your parents were in that median bracket when you were applying for aid.

Also, parents in that median income bracket are more likely to be able to help you with job placement after graduation. My middle class friends with BAs were able to slide into white collar jobs with their parents' companies, or their parents' friends' companies after graduation. This gave them a comfortable stepping stone toward a better job more related to their field of study. My mother was a maid/janitor/retail clerk my whole life, so when I started looking for jobs in my field of study she definitely didn't know anyone who could hook me up. Without any connections, I ended up working a ton of shitty, minimum wage or near minimum wage jobs for years while volunteering to get work experience. It wasn't until I'd been out of school for 6 years that I finally got my first white collar job, and I'm only just now working in my field of study. On average, I am making 1/3 of what my friends are making now. I'm the first generation in my family to finish college but there's a lot more to breaking into the middle class than finishing college. If I had studied science or engineering, sure, it'd be different, but that's not who I am so there's no point in trying to force something that's not there.

[–]Shaquarington_Bithus 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

am I the only one bothered by a black person bitching about financial aid? There are easily EASILY 10x as many scholarships for him that are way less competitive than a white/asian person.

[–]Megneous[🍰] 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

As someone who did get federal student aid, you guys are all jerks. We get aid because our families make absolutely nothing. I had a friend complain to me once that I got student aid and he didn't. Both of his parents made 25k a year for a 50k household (the US median household income). I told him that I come a single parent household and when I applied for aid, my mother only made about 11-12k a year because she couldn't hold down a full time job. We were poor. That's why we got aid. You don't get aid if you think you can't afford university tuition because it would impact your standard of living. You get it if you actually need it because it's impossible to lower your standard of living anymore.

[–]PrplMunkys 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same. Even though I haven't lived with my parents since I was 17 and they don't pay for my schooling or anything, I still have to put their info on my FAFSA because A) I'm not married. B) I don't have a kid. C) I'm not 24/25 whatever the age is that let's me not be considered a part of their household. Which at that point, aren't most people graduated!?

Cross your fingers it's 24, as I'll be dinging it this year D: