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[–]smilingonion 358ポイント359ポイント  (30子コメント)

When I was about 12 my Mom and I and her friend and her two kids went to a lake on a hot day

After swimming I was standing by my Mom and her friend talking when my Mom left to get some snacks

I'm standing there uncomfortable with Mom's friend and say I was going to hit the bathroom and she stands up real close to me and quietly says she could go with me and make sure the last drop didn't end up in my swim trunks and lightly rubbed the outside of my trunks

I'm 55 now so back then there was no internet and I had never not only ever seen porn I had never even seen a naked woman...I had no idea what this woman was talking about

I did know however she was creeping me out so I bolted to the bathroom and forever made sure we were never alone together after that

[–]paparazzigems[S] 123ポイント124ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm glad you did she sounds utterly horrible!

[–]l00pee 22ポイント23ポイント  (4子コメント)

I thought all of mom's friends did that.... If this is the threshold, I was really molested as a child.

[–]Conbz 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah generally if an adult touches a child's genitalia it's molestation bro. Schools don't do penis checks and grown women should not invite themselves into bathrooms with young boys.

[–]groo667 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

My school did penis checks, I think. I was brought to a room with a doctor in it, they checked balls though, not penis. In NY.

[–]suddenly_ponies 30ポイント31ポイント  (16子コメント)

Let's not forget that there's a difference between a Paedophile and a child molester. This lady was both.

[–]_coast_of_maine 7ポイント8ポイント  (12子コメント)

Wait...What?

[–]HorrendousRex 76ポイント77ポイント  (7子コメント)

It's true, although acknowledging the fact is often met with controversy. Paedophiles have a sexual desire for underage people, and child molesters engage in the act of molesting children. A Paedophile that molests children is both of those things at once, but being a paedophile does not imply being a molester.

For instance, you can be a paedophile who 'only' looks at under-age pornography (still illegal! just not 'molesting') or reads under-age erotic literature, and never directly molests children.

I'm not saying these people are heroes, you know? I'm just saying the two things are different, and should be treated differently. "Merely" being a paedophile (without any illegal acts attached to that) is a psychological disorder that needs treatment. Molesting a child, or exploiting children by obtaining child pornography, is a criminal act and should be prosecuted.

[–]-halcyon 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yep, and some people who abuse children aren't pedophiles either. These particular people don't commit the abuse because they're sexually attracted to kids, they do it because they like to have power over others. Kids are just easy targets.

[–]imacs 19ポイント20ポイント  (3子コメント)

I almost think they're heroes. They can't control their desires, so if they manage to get by completely unsatisfied just reading erotica forever, that tough.

[–]dolomolo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

All sexuality is uncontrollable, it just happens.

The primary goal is that kids don't get hurt.

Focus on protecting prebs, and secondary on pubescents. The problem is someone like a 14 or 15 year old can want to have sex with someone older, which is very different to an 8 year old. (AKA me in high school liked some older people).

Ideally the state should offer physcolgy sessions or perhaps even drugs, with the primary focus on stopping child molestation. Perhaps talking about methods to make an urge go away (such as they do with depression).

Calling them freaks and disgusting on talkback radio probably just makes everything worse. You don't want them to hide in the shadows like an outcast, you want them to feel like they are receiving help from the health system, which in turns protects children.

[–]suddenly_ponies 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you! You saved me a lot of typing.

[–]nmezib 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

You can like little children without molesting them. Just like you can like women without being a rapist.

[–]MTandBJJ 302ポイント303ポイント  (94子コメント)

I'm glad they highlighted the fact that pedophiles have a high likelihood of they themselves being abused when they were children. This fact can be used to prevent a lot of future child abuse, but it seems like not much is done about it right now because unfortunately it's socially taboo.

[–]paparazzigems[S] 71ポイント72ポイント  (78子コメント)

Thank you!!! finally, you said it perfectly! This is what I've been trying to say. I just can't say it so succinctly.

[–]HappyToBeHere24_7 37ポイント38ポイント  (75子コメント)

Do you think that people have a choice as to whether or not they are pedophiles? I feel it should be compared to homosexuality, it is not a decision you choose to make, it just simply is. Also, do you think we could be preventing more child abuse by tearing down the social stigma of pedophilia and allowing people to openly address their concerns in order to get help?

[–]Madmartigan1 60ポイント61ポイント  (13子コメント)

It's possible that having the attraction may not be a choice, but actually abusing a child certainly is.

[–]altgr_01 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

Of course. Same as being attracted to women is one thing and abusing women is another.

[–]HappyToBeHere24_7 15ポイント16ポイント  (8子コメント)

Absolutely, but that doesn't mean that all pedophiles should be clumped in the same group as sex offenders. They are different people altogether. Surely, there are tenfold more pedophiles who have never acted on their urges than ones that have.

[–]Madmartigan1 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

That's exactly what I'm saying. Having an unwanted or uncontrollable thought or feeling is different from committing the actual crime. And it should be seen as different.

[–]HappyToBeHere24_7 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

Glad we can agree on this issue, hopefully there are more like us out there that understand pedophilia isn't a choice and by being able to accept it, it offers more room for improving behavior control.

[–]ArcTruth 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Searching in /r/casualiama, you can find multiple AMAs from pedophiles, many downvoted and flooded with negative comments. While at the same time, those from victims are very strongly supported. It's not surprising, but it is a touch disappointing.

I remember one in particular though, that linked to an article discussing the topic of small communities supporting each other in preventing... slip-ups? Something of that connotation. The stigma against pedophilia is immense. Not without good reason, but the sheer power of society's response to even a hint of the word makes it extremely hard for anyone to come forward even with the best of intentions. Which, I think, is directly harmful in preventing those with these urges from getting support and treatment to stop it controlling their lives. Which means in essence this stigma may become something of a vicious cycle, ultimately promoting the sort of behavior it would seek to condemn so powerfully.

Seems things always get a little messy when we forget that we're all people, that (in this case) pedophiles are not all evil monsters sowing misery, but people, often damaged themselves, doing what their confused urges and emotions tell them to.

[–]horrorshowmalchick 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Paedophile != child molester.

Paedophile: someone sexually attracted to children.

Child molester: someone who has performed a sexual act withca child.

[–]ctindel 12ポイント13ポイント  (8子コメント)

I agree that people can't really control what they're attracted to, or what their kinks and squicks are.

However I don't think it's irrational to want to keep all pedophiles away from my children.

[–]HappyToBeHere24_7 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

That makes sense in a way. With proper behavioral management that issue could be fixed. Whether it be the pedophile avoids situations with children or learns to tame his/her impulses. I think it would be wrong to segregate them from children as they are people too, but coming from the perspective of a parent I can completely understand why they would support your claim.

[–]ctindel 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

I don’t see why you think it could be fixed. That crime has one of the highest rates of recidivism of all crimes and as far as I know nobody has figured out a solution other than strict segregation.

This is one of those areas where I don’t think the “think of the children” is a platitude.

[–]_____FRESH_____ 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think you choose to fuck or not fuck a kid. You probably can't choose if you're a pedo, but you don't have to touch kids. Just like people who grew up in abusive households don't have to abuse their kids.

[–]MTandBJJ 11ポイント12ポイント  (26子コメント)

I don't think it's as simple as choose or not choose. For example, let's say you were a man that really likes female legs. When did you choose to be a leg man? "I don't know, I've just always be attracted to them." But maybe something got hard-wired into your brain when you were a toddler and always on the ground looking up at the bare female legs around you. There's a lot of debate. The mind is a complex thing that we don't fully understand yet.

[–]HappyToBeHere24_7 30ポイント31ポイント  (25子コメント)

I personally don't think a majority of pedophiles have a choice. Albeit, I'm sure there are some out there who crave the power and act out of other indulgences, but I'm fairly certain there's a large percentage of pedophiles in the US who don't act on their urges and deny that they have them. While I don't think you can cure a pedophile, much the same you can't cure a homosexual, you may be able to help assist the pedophile in controlling urges or unwanted thoughts around children. More so by teaching control versus trying to wipe it out entirely. I feel having pedophilia be less of a social stigma will open people up to speak with psychologists and doctors about their problems and be able to openly seek a method of controlling these thoughts and keeping them at exactly that, a thought.

[–]WeAreAllYellow 13ポイント14ポイント  (8子コメント)

The problem is that it's a double edged sword. If they admitted they were attracted to children like that, then they would get help, but they'd probably be detained because they'd be deemed a risk, just like how if someone says they want to kill, we keep them locked up, but still try to help them.

Then others would see their peers being locked up and not want to come forward

[–]HappyToBeHere24_7 9ポイント10ポイント  (7子コメント)

I don't think you realize just how many pedophiles there are in your city alone. They aren't a threat. That's like saying men who watch rape or snuff films should be locked up because they are a risk. For the most part, the people who act on their urges are people who lack self-control and likely possess some sort of mental illness. That's where the history of child abuse and molestation come into play, and why it has been shown to be a recurring issue with convicted pedophiles. The majority of pedophiles, and I'm sure there are quite a few, are everyday people who never have and never will act on those urges. Being able to tear down that social stigma can further assist behavioral control to ensure that their impulses are not acted upon.

[–]WeAreAllYellow 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

I agree that many will probably never actually hurt anyone, and would be able to contain themselves.

On the other hand though, why would attempting to get help be a problem? I think it's a long way to go to get rid of a stigma like that, so why not want to start as soon as possible by addressing the topic?

Also, in all fairness, these are two extremely vunerable populations here. Pedophiles have often been abused themselves, and they deserve help to work through their situations like the rest of us. And of course children cannot protect themselves very much.

[–]HappyToBeHere24_7 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

People wouldn't attempt to fix the problem because it's the most shameful thing there is in our society. Murderers are treated with more respect than innocent pedophiles. Opening up about this to a medical professional could be very hard and there's no saying the professional has neutral feelings towards pedophiles themselves. I highly doubt that most pedophiles have been abused as children, the only reason that statistic seems so prevalent is because the only people who will admit that they are pedophiles are people who have been convicted of crimes relating to it. And being a victim of child abuse is related to having a mental illness and other detrimental behavioral factors resulting in this end behavior.

[–]WeAreAllYellow 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Coming forward would be hard, and giving help would take a very long time to evolve into a perfect system, but the longer we delay it, the more people will be affected.
Are you trying to say that only the ones who have been convicted were abused themselves? I don't understand the point you are trying to make, and I don't know why you are so insistent that we don't offer support and attention to these affected people.

[–]commentsurfer 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Here's a revelation: We are all of us, mentally sick, and there is a wide gamut of sickness. Some are more sick than others, but everyone is still sick. And we are all over the place.

[–]mmob18 11ポイント12ポイント  (15子コメント)

I feel like if the social stigma around paedophilia was taken away and people felt comfortable talking about it and stuff, we'd see an unexpectedly high number of pedophiles in the US and around the world

[–]skysten 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

I presume you mean it would reveal a high number, not cause one?

[–]mmob18 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Of course

[–]HappyToBeHere24_7 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Of course it would, but in my opinion that's a good thing. There are lots of pedophiles out there, but they have very good reasons for not admitting it. Opening up that window creates more breathing room for them to seek help.

[–]mmob18 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Never said I thought it was a bad thing haha

[–]DarkFiction 9ポイント10ポイント  (10子コメント)

The (Western) world had a hard time accepting black people, then women, then gays & other LGB communities. Trans-genders are a work in progress but I feel like pedophilia would be the ice-breaker. I don't see huge social acceptance for this no matter how open the world becomes. The stigma is too great.

[–]HappyToBeHere24_7 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

The Western world still has a hard time accepting all those people and I doubt they will ever accept pedophiles, but I'm sure a time will come where people can be more open about it with medical professionals at the very least. Only time will tell.

[–]mcstormy 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I believe there is some evidence to support the notion that it can not be cured and is quite similar to homosexuality in that sense. If I remember correctly, after "rehabilitation" there was no change in behavior. I will try to find a source.

[–]Combogalis 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

It's not a choice but it's not the same as homosexuality. There are statistics directly and strongly correlating being sexually abused to becoming an abuser so we know at least some aspect of it is psychological. I think there are both types, those who are just naturally attracted to children, and those who sexualize children for psychological reasons.

[–]mmob18 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yeah, but "turning into an abuser" isn't the same as being a pedophile.

Abuser =/= pedophile

[–]Combogalis 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I know which is why I didn't say becoming a pedophile. Child abuse leads to more child abuse, but it's not like abusers are specifically finding future pedophiles... therefore there is a correlation.

[–]Pigeon_Stomping 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wut? Abuser can also be a pedophile. They're not exclusive. So they can equate.

[–]OmegaGreed 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a psych grad student (albeit not one who specializes in paraphilias), I'd just like to chime in here and clarify a couple of things, as it looks like there's a debate brewing.

Pedophilia and child molestation are not the same thing. Pedophilia is the sexual attraction to children aged 11 and under, while child molestation is the sexual abuse of a minor. There are pedophiles who have never abused kids, although it's very difficult to get a count because of social taboos, and there are child molestors who wouldn't qualify as pedophiles (particularly in incidents involving pubescent children).

Mounting evidence seems to indicate that pedophilia is primarily caused by varying hormone levels that affect fetal neurodevelopment. This is similar to proposed causes for homosexuality, but this is not an attempt to excuse pedophilia. It's merely to clarify that pedophilia could be viewed as a sexuality, although obviously one that can never be acted upon. With that said, sexuality and paraphilias are very complicated and can be influenced by many factors.

The general consensus among psychologists, as far as I know, is that having experienced childhood abuse is NOT a notable or significant cause of pedophilia, but that it IS a predictive factor in child molestation. That's to say that someone who was formerly abused is more likely to have lower impulse control and give in to urges more easily, or to incorrectly view these types of interactions as "normal".

It's important to recognize that it's a clear minority of child sex abuse victims who go on to become abusers. Being more likely to go on to molest children than someone in the general population is obviously not a guarantee of anything.

[–]Leoofmoon 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The issue is as well groups wanting to hide numbers or skew facts.

[–]superobviousthrowawy 1112ポイント1113ポイント  (132子コメント)

As someone who was drugged and raped by a woman and her daughter. Women absolutely can be the aggressors in sexual situations. The fact that we as a society don't accept that makes me sad.

I know they are talking about pedophiles. I am just pointing out that sexual aggression is not a male only thing.

I was raped when I was 21 and still a virgin.

[–]paparazzigems[S] 436ポイント437ポイント  (24子コメント)

I being a woman myself have encountered women that have tried to sexually violate me so I know where you're coming from and I agree, it is a terrible thing that society does to place such expectations on genders. For society to assume all men are evil or possess the ability to do horrible things makes men feel as though they can only become angry or strong in order to show manliness. With society placing women as angels or the ones that cannot do evil things/helpless, it makes women the eternal victims and feel as though they should be forgiven for any bad things they do.

It leads to a society filled with broken people and even worse, children that have no one to take care of them and guide them.

[–]superobviousthrowawy 145ポイント146ポイント  (5子コメント)

I agree, it is the exact same type of mentality where they see a woman abuse a man and laugh like ha ha he got what was coming to him. Abuse is abuse and rape is rape.

[–]Reinhart3 52ポイント53ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's pretty fucked up when you see a video of some shitty talkshow for women and they talk about a story where a man makes his wife angry and she cuts his dick off or something along those lines and all the women in the audience start to cheer.

There's a video of the show "What Would You Do?" where they put people in different scenarios and see how strangers react, and there was one video where this women was in a park with her boyfriend and she was insulting him, and slapping him and shoving him, and nobody did anything, and some women even walked by and laughed, or silently celebrated.

One women started fist pumping and laughing when she saw it and when they interviewed her she was extremely proud of her reaction.

[–]cbvenom 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

Video mentioned in comment - https://youtu.be/XNrWuZV3jjw

Also The Talk making fun of genital mutilation - https://youtu.be/muuFygvXPAM

[–]Reinhart3 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

The second video is what I was referring to, but the first one is actually a different video.

Here is the video I was referring to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRCS6GGhIRc

It's one thing to see a women hitting a man and not instantly jumping in and stopping it, but to cheer for it, or to go on live TV and cheer about a man getting mutilated by a women is fucking disgusting.

[–]Flugalgring 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

For society to assume all men are evil or possess the ability to do horrible things makes men feel as though they can only become angry or strong in order to show manliness. With society placing women as angels or the ones that cannot do evil things/helpless, it makes women the eternal victims and feel as though they should be forgiven for any bad things they do.

This really needs to be said more and more. Even 'positive' gender sterotypes, like the women are wonderful effect, are ultimately harmful to both genders.

[–]arlenroy 56ポイント57ポイント  (2子コメント)

Never thought I'd say this, especially on the Internet. I had ugly duckling syndrome. Fat kid till 15, never had a chance with girls ever. After weight loss and puberty things started looking up, at 21 I had began attending open call ups for modeling. I've never had women treat me so poorly, it went from a sense of pride to feeling sexually assaulted. I can't explain it, how a man could even have a partial erection however something I wish I could forget.

[–]paparazzigems[S] 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm sorry you went through that. Everyone deserves to feel safe and comfortable. I just hope that society one day evolves and becomes more than this present existence. Until then, I gotcha back!

[–]eixan 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Your right. Here's a highly upvoted comment on an /r/askwomen thread admitting as much

Have you heard of the women are wonderful effect? Its the tendency of almost everyone to attribute almost any positive trait to women at much higher rates than men.

Guys grow up with this bias clouding their expectations of women. They really think women are wonderful. As they go through the reality of relationships with women they discover they are just as terrible as everyone else and become disillusioned. But its disillusioning on three levels. First is the one I described.

The second is how a man is programmed to support a women. Not to treat her like an equal but more like a child in need of protection. Men are taught to lay down their lives for women. This is not a theoretical thing. See this story for example http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1695290). So discovering the mythical angels you were raised to protect are just normal often shitty peopre rike eweryone else can be a painful realisation.

The third level is discovering that women are no deeper than men and are just as attracted to superficial traits as men are is also very hard. Men are raised to believe that women's 'inner goodness' means they see the good inside people and are attracted to that rather than simply how someone looks etc. When guys realise that attraction for women is just as superficial for women as it is for men its pretty upsetting to their worldview.

The net result of all this is a feeling of betrayal of their expectations of women. Because these expectations are programmed in from a young age its very upsetting and just realising they are unrealistic does not make them go away. They still expect women to be wonderful, but know they never really were.

[–]aethelmund 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You've summed up this better than I have ever heard it put before.

[–]scramtek 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've had gay guys come on to me. Some very keenly. But only women have actually removed my clothes whilst incapacitated (in my teenage years) and physically manhandled my bits. And yeah, I was aroused. But I was way beyond being able to give consent. It was just manipulation of my sexuality for their own satisfaction.

[–]moonshoeslol 107ポイント108ポイント  (6子コメント)

One of the things that makes me most sad is the organized push-back from a large group of feminists to being able to view women as abusers just because it upsets their narrative. In Toronto they tried to open a shelter for abused men. It was protested against over and over by these groups and eventually ended up closing if memory serves me right.

[–]Littlewigum 74ポイント75ポイント  (1子コメント)

They have a shelter for men. Since most men that report abuse are than also accused of abuse; they end up in jail. That is societies concept of a shelter for men.

[–]Humankeg 43ポイント44ポイント  (0子コメント)

Victim blaming is 100% supported by the government, when the victim is a male.

[–]ENORMOUS_GAY_FAGGOT 33ポイント34ポイント  (3子コメント)

They didn't close, they are still open but still somewhat controversial (fucking pathetic that a men's shelter is considered controversial).

They managed to raise enough money to build the shelter despite feminist protests and attempts to have it labeled a hateful and misogynistic place just because the group who was raising the money is affiliated with the men's movement, even though there is no evidence they have ever done anything misogynistic or hateful.

[–]moonshoeslol 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's insane to me that people can protest a place for victims of rape and abuse to get help, and think that they're just in doing so.

[–]r0botdevil 12ポイント13ポイント  (9子コメント)

I am just pointing out that sexual aggression is not a male only thing.

This is certainly true. I've had a girl attempt to drag me into a bedroom at a party before. Fortunately I was sober enough (and easily strong enough) to defend myself, but I have no doubt in my mind that this girl would absolutely have forcefully raped me if she had somehow been able to do it.

[–]Gary_Wayne 32ポイント33ポイント  (2子コメント)

Rape by three teenage girls was attempted on me at about age 8. I was able to fight them off, but it was a real attempt to sexually assault me.

[–]BatXDude 2ポイント3ポイント  (19子コメント)

I know this might sound weird but I have never thought of a female as a paedophile.

I always think of males being paeds.

However, rapists , I think of female and male. Do you get what I mean?

A female paedophile would never jump into my mind. "This child was molested" instant thought would be a male.

[–]RepostThatShit 98ポイント99ポイント  (8子コメント)

A female paedophile would never jump into my mind. "This child was molested" instant thought would be a male.

Well open your mind then, nigga. Dayum.

[–]waveydavey94 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

Thank you for opening up about your misconceptions. I think many people must have the same experience you do.

[–]Chezziwick 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's a horribly mistaken and dangerous view. I encourage you to do some research on its prevalence in the hopes you see why that isn't true

[–]No_Please_Continue 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think he's saying this because it's how society drills it into our heads.

[–]StevetheLeg 235ポイント236ポイント  (29子コメント)

Reminds me of this heartbreaking video. Why Rape Is Sincerely Hilarious

[–]BoboMatrix 45ポイント46ポイント  (4子コメント)

Given how accurate it is, the laughing is the sick joke. Who the fuck are you going to tell?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLWlBgj0uOc

[–]paparazzigems[S] 46ポイント47ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just saw it now. I literally teared up. This is exactly what I'm talking about. I wish more people could know the truth.

[–]tramspace 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow. That is so powerful. I am so sorry for anyone, male or female, who has ever felt this.

[–]analogfrog 123ポイント124ポイント  (11子コメント)

I was abused by my friends mother when I was 14. Any time I've confided in another person they view it as something to be celebrated, like it was a victory for me. The woman who abused me had become an extremely close mother figure in my life. Someone who supported my talents and took care of me. Having a sexual encounter with this woman was like having one with my own mother. It's caused me to have a lot of trust and self image issues throughout my life.

I currently struggle with addiction, clinical depression, and anxiety. I can't formerly say that my current issues sparked from being sexually abused. But I can say it's something that still disturbs me to this day. Especially because I haven't found a lot of outlets or support groups where I can actually work through it, and have someone share that they understand how I feel because it happened to them.

[–]ENORMOUS_GAY_FAGGOT 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

Any time I've confided in another person they view it as something to be celebrated, like it was a victory for me.

Same here. Abused by an older woman between the ages of 7-12 or so and the few people I've told make it seem like I should be grateful or something. It really fucked me up in the head and caused a ridiculous number of mental health problems for me.

I'm in my 30's now and still find it impossible to connect with people or to get close to anyone.

[–]paparazzigems[S] 29ポイント30ポイント  (4子コメント)

Well you have support here! I may not be a therapist or your close friend in real life, but I care! And it was wrong that the fucking lecherous bitch touched you and made it seem "okay" by giving you "assistance". Your body is not currency and should not be viewed that way. If you ever need someone to talk to, pm me.

[–]HumphryDumpty 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

I wish there was support here. All I am getting are responses saying because I was abused by a woman at 5, that I am therefore a threat. I should be put on a watch list, just ask u/MTandBBJ. I will be so glad to be rid of this human body prison.

[–]ThePoison33 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're taking his comments and trying to victimise yourself. He isn't saying that because you were abused you are definitely going to abuse children, he was saying that if we identify and provide the correct support to abused kids it will reduce the chance that they then go on to abuse kids.

If I read something that says '8 out of 10 Justin Bieber fans are female' and then I go on to say "If you're a Justin Bieber fan you have a high chance of being a female" it isn't the same thing as saying "You like Bieber therefore you MUST be female"

I don't necessarily agree with what /u/MTandBBJ was saying on the subject of the abused becoming abusers, but if you actually read his comment properly all he's saying is that abused kids need better support because (he believes) there's a link between abusers and being abused.

[–]ForgotMyBrain 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't know if you knew already, but there is r/anxiety if you ever need to talk or just get some advices. The people there are really friendly and comprehensive, don't hesitate if you want to check it out.

[–]Nowhere_Man_Forever 38ポイント39ポイント  (0子コメント)

I believe this needs to be discussed more. I have personally encountered two female sex abusers (thankfully I was never in a position to be preyed upon by them) who have taken advantage of easily-manipulated teenage boys. Thankfully, though, the small southern community in which this was going on was surprisingly rational about this and nobody defended them or anything. The legal system went way too easy on one of them though(the other hasn't gone to court yet), and I think that's fucked up.

[–]nolasagne 120ポイント121ポイント  (8子コメント)

Her comments on the media and false allegations towards fathers in divorce proceedings are particularly powerful.

Thanks so much for posting this.

[–]paparazzigems[S] 37ポイント38ポイント  (7子コメント)

You're welcome. It just sucks some people don't understand that I am not trying to condone the behavior of paedophiles. I am just merely showing the other side of paedophilia and that women can be just as evil as men and in recognizing that, hopefully more children will be spared the shame and destruction of being molested.

[–]aenigme 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thank you. It's not about the genders. It is about the children who do not have the physical or emotional strength to defend themselves.

[–]paparazzigems[S] 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is about the children who do not have the physical or emotional strength to defend themselves.

Well said.

[–]caesar424 459ポイント460ポイント  (78子コメント)

Society as a whole needs to get past gender in general. Any conflict between genders can solved by the acceptance of one simple fact: Men and women, aside from physiological traits, are human beings, plain and simple.

Whether you're a man or a woman, at the end of the day, everyone's still human. Obviously, the child-bearing role of the female creates some hardship finding a middle ground, but once these issues are addressed, maybe society can finally progress...

EDIT: Thank you for my first gold, stranger!

[–]alowishus_gublatron 39ポイント40ポイント  (4子コメント)

Men and women are different. What's wrong with that?

[–]Droglia 73ポイント74ポイント  (2子コメント)

They are indeed different. The point being made is that the differences absolutely pale in comparison to the similarities.

[–]Sevlins 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think, obviously personal opinion, that there are enough differences that we will never succeed in attempting to force both genders to be "the same". If anything, the transgender plight as a whole points out that there is a very important distinction between the two genders. If there was not, transgenderism would not exist as people would just accept whatever lot society gave them.

But yes, there's miles and miles of common ground as well. What we need is communication, understanding of nuance, and stopping the "us against them" mentality of equality.

The unfortunate fact though is movements as a general concept do not handle nuance very well. Social media is just the next generation, and it too is showing a huge inability to deal with things that aren't black and white.

[–]bokan 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've been wondering a bout this myself because it seems like in the name of progressing toward this goal we are making identity and group membership more important in a way, by it constantly being in the spotlight. It's kind of a catch 22.

[–]WildnWil 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

this is a great way of looking at things. thank you for this

[–]cknight18 7ポイント8ポイント  (29子コメント)

Get past gender in general? Is that meaning that in order to progress as a society, we need to stop referring to ourselves as "man and woman" and just call ourselves people?

[–]FootofGod 37ポイント38ポイント  (8子コメント)

No, we need to stop thinking that they're some kind of foundation to lay ideas on.

[–]RPrevolution 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It just means the whatever the differences, the moral responsibility of both is the same.

[–]caesar424 4ポイント5ポイント  (13子コメント)

You have the gist of it. While I obviously don't endorse doing away with gender entirely as that's a facet of who we are as people, I do think that, in order to develop into a world that caters to the rights of all its denizens, humans need to look past gender and start to realize that everyone, male or female, is still a human.

Many of the issues present in today's society stem from prejudice, inequality, or just plain ignorance. In America, for instance, If gender roles were reversed, do you think males would have a hard time getting the state-provided birth control they need? I could wax on about abortion, workplace rights, and equal representation, but I don't want to seem more preachy than I already do.

Case in point, I believe gender identity remain intact, but society should stop placing stereotypes on males and females, as that just leads to more confusion and ignorance.

steps off soap box

[–]cknight18 2ポイント3ポイント  (12子コメント)

A lot of those gender differences are innate, though. There not just things that society has taught us.

There are things that are different between men and women, and we need to accept that. Do we need to force stereotypes onto people? Hell no. But some things can make for a good foundation.

I don't have kids yet but when I do, I probably will buy dolls for my girls and action figures for my boys. If they tell me they want other toys, wear different colored clothing and play in different ways, cool! But, and I'm focusing mostly on kids, the notion that we treat people that "there's nothing more to your gender than what's between your legs" is a bit absurd.

Maybe I'm having a hard time articulating what I'm trying to say. Maybe I'm not getting the point of what you're saying in the first place. I just really dread where I see society going, a world of even more politically correctness.

[–]Wivru 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'd say that knowing what is and what is not "innate" in gender is a bit hard, simply because you'd basically have to lock a bunch of newborns in a vault and raise them in isolation to figure that out. That argument works in both directions though - when someone tells you they know X is or isn't innate to gender, it's really tough to have genuine scientific data to be certain. It wouldn't surprise me if many gender features are innate, but many of the differences that we see as completely tied to gender may end up being completely learned or projected. I know a lot of people in older generations of both genders that are certain womankind is innately significantly less intelligent; it's dangerous to assume our certainty on every other innate feature of gender is any less immutable than theirs.

Again, as I say, I know with just as little certainty as anyone else, but figured I'd share my friendly two cents.

[–]Homet 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes you are right that gender difference are innate, but it all lays on a bell curve. There are men who have more traditionally female qualities and vice versa. The problem is using these gender differences as a base for policy instead of allowing individual cases speak for themselves. Case in point, women are more likely to be in care-taking types of employment, but this man right here does an excellent job. So we should not treat him any differently.

Or another case is that men in general are the breadwinners, but for this particular married couple the woman was the breadwinner and the man was the primary caretaker of the kids. So the fair thing to do for the divorce is for the man have primary custody and the woman pay alimony.

This is very personal for me because I work with children with disabilities but I'm not allowed to change diapers or take children to the restroom for potty training. This puts a strain on my co-workers because I have to always go to someone else to take care of something that frankly should be my responsibility. It also is a real mind fuck to know that the policy of my clinic is to assume I'm a pedophile.

[–]Mi220ry 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

To detract a bit. She has a really relaxing voice. Disregarding the context in which shes talking of course.. But nice voice.

[–]Eburon 25ポイント26ポイント  (3子コメント)

I had an attractive teacher who used to expose herself to us when we were 12-14 years old. Having a blouse unbuttoned just beyond acceptable, wearing short skirts and squatting. Asking us to pick items stacked in boxes under her desk and then spreading her legs. Looking over your shoulder, breasts resting on your shoulders and against the face. We loved it... and even looking back I don't feel abused even though I know it's not okay by any standard.

It's not anything like the woman in the video is talking about or that some might have experienced, but it's a strange thing it does to your brain, 20 years later I still have no idea how I should feel about this. If I heard about this and it would have been a male teacher with female teenagers I would want to punch his lights out, but now it is different, it shouldn't be but it is.

[–]paparazzigems[S] 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

Attractive people in general aren't seen as being someone you wouldn't have consensual sex with. I think since most males are typically seen as unattractive, especially those that are often convicted of child molestation and statutory rape, compared to women, it is seen as much darker and perverted when a male does it versus a female. Sometimes it's not just gender that we look at but also attractiveness.

If a hot male teacher has sex with a female student, it's not necessarily seen as that bad because he's hot. Though it is ALL WRONG and in my eyes (in my view) EVIL.

[–]Eburon 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I agree, it is all wrong and it is evil, but the impact on the victim is totally different. And then question is, should we see the crime from the perspective from the victim or the perpetrator?

[–]bamboombango 38ポイント39ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wow, everyone should see this.

[–]evilchefwariobatali 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes! One of the few reposts I wouldn't mind coming across every week. It's shocking to see how people react to this, and simply just sad that in today's world, it's still not accepted.

[–]crazymofo13 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Was a very instersting video. And raises lots of very good points. Thanks for sharing

[–]veganhitler 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wow. This reminds me of when i was 10 years old and a friend of mine was telling me how his aunt would make him go down on her.

As a 10 year old i didn't understand what he was talking about or thought he was lying. He ended up moving away.

10 years later he came back for a visit. Turns out he was telling the truth because he brought it up again.

[–]wakaOH05 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think the vilification of men is an accurate description of what I sometimes fear. I'm terribly anxious when kids get too close to me, or make an effort to interact with me in public. Whether they are just a friends kid or a total stranger, I'm constantly trying to avoid any kind of interaction in fear of being thought of as a possible Paedophile.

[–]Jon_the_Jobsworth 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes! And I remember when I was around 15 my mother told me I could no longer babysit neighbor kids. I didn't understand until I was older than she was trying to protect me from even the suggestion or rumor that I was a predator.

[–]JohnKimble111 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

The guy who made this video made countless other equally good one on other gender related issues, with hours and hours of original content interviewing figures such as Erin Pizzey. His original channels have disappeared, but some of the best vids are mirrored on other channels. Search for "manwomanmyth" for more similar content.

The follow channel has mirrored quite a few of the videos: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC71JvwMCwlbATlyWBonidug

Here's a good one to get you started: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjwe6ECiXi4

[–]Saerain 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

See also the women who were swooning over Justin Bieber when he was 15-16. It's not pedophilia, but still, we constantly see men demonized for the same thing, while with women it could hardly be seen as more harmless.

[–]wilyame 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I dont see it posted yet, but the entire documentary is really fucking good. Really well done. Interviews with some well known people. I think this is what /r/feminism means when it says that reddit is becoming more anti women.

[–]TimidRiver 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Feminism goes both ways. If women are equal, we are capable of the same things, good and bad.

[–]S4ngin 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't understand group mentality. I don't compare anything I am or believe to the entire group. I'm white, but don't feel some odd connection to whites, same with me being male, or an atheist or anything. Other people's successes and failures are not my own.

[–]Releventcomments 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't like the guy. We should never protect people from homosexuals, heterosexuals, people with foot fetishes, or paedophilia.

We need to protect people from abusers.

[–]HolyAndOblivious 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

When I was like 14 my female physician tried to seduce me. I was and still am oblivious of female advances.

[–]fizikz3 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

I was and still am oblivious of female advances.

....how did you find out then?

[–]dogedickguy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

He thought back to it weeks later and.l was like "wait... She gave me a handy... I wonder if she likes me... Nah she was probably just trying to be courteous to me"

[–]GoofMaster 29ポイント30ポイント  (3子コメント)

Society has a very strong attachment to the concept of "women and children first". This is because it is simply better for the species but in recent years many women I have met have twisted this intrinsic value that is shown for them and almost weaponised it, acting with impunity behind the unbreakable tenet. The act of a woman inflicting physical violence on a man with absolutely no expectation of recourse is analogous of this phenomenon.

[–]paparazzigems[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah. Being violent is wrong and unacceptable, yet when women do it, it's okay. Not only does that undermine a woman's strength and ability, but it also makes it so that way men can't escape physical abuse or a physical attack and if they do, they assume their only option is to hit back and then it becomes something worse. If a woman hits a man for no reason other than to express anger, she should be arrested just like a man would for physical assault.

[–]FreudJesusGod 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you're big enough to hit other people, you are big enough to be hit back. Don't complain if you started it.

Men learn this lesson early on. Women should expect no different. Unfortunately, society has yet to catch up.

[–]nonconformist3 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

I knew this girl who had major emotional problems and had gone from living on the street and trying to get off the street. She told me her story. She was orphaned young and lived in an orphanage for some time as a little girl. In this place she was abused by an older woman who worked there. She made her insert all kinds of things into herself during shower time. I couldn't believe how horrible that person was. Women can be some of the worst abusers out there.

[–]paparazzigems[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Wow, that's what hurts me the most is seeing children get abused simply because no one is there for them. They're helpless.

[–]nonconformist3 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well, the system is completely bullshit and sets people up for failure. Unless as a person you are stronger, and a survivor in this system, it will eat a person up. I grew up with a mother who abused me and I've had to work really hard to fix the problems she caused. I would have been happier with my father, but she split with him and went into a kind of hiding from him. I finally found him a year ago after not talking for over 30yrs. So many people in this world are crazy. It's not just them that suddenly developed the problem, it was their parents, and their parents before them that made each preceding generation screwed up. Gotta fix the problem from a generational perspective. Most important, we need to stop relying on the bullshit in this world that runs our lives and society. Logic above all else, and learning above that. Gotta stop listening to false prophets and bad politicians and corrupt teachers and learn things for ourselves.

[–]ReddHerring 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I really like this woman. She's very logical and does a good job explaining her answers. She was taken off guard by the airplane thing though and she was right that this should be challenged and thrown out. My thoughts on that are even if a kid was sat next to a pedo on a plane. What's really going to happen anyway? They're on a crowded plane!

[–]pseud0nym 18ポイント19ポイント  (5子コメント)

"We are quite willing to agree that we are the superior breed". I don't know of any situation among ANY of my friends where claiming that men were inherently superior to *women would ever be acceptable nor would be mentioned so casually. Not a single one.

[–]astrofrappe 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think thats part of what she's saying though. It's so common/ingrained we don't even think about it.

Women are better with children than men Women make better parents/care givers than men Women are better multi-taskers than men Women are less violent than men Women are more empathetic than men Women are better at fashion than men Women can identify color better than men

There are absolutely papers showing that some of the above are in fact true. But it's the willingness to agree (wether vocally or silently) on things that proclaim woman as superior to men that she's talking about.

Its also important to remember that she works and researches in this subject a lot more than the typical person does. She's seen all the varying opinions and reactions. She even mentions in the video women protesting that were the "Get rid of all the men and women will continue on the human race through sperm banks and science" type of feminist. The extreme, women should be superior, not equal fraction.

[–]OracleFINN 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fix your typo so I can figure out how to vote on this.

[–]FreudJesusGod 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's an unconscious conceit in quite a few bigots. A hallmark, probably.

You'd be surprised how many women think their ability to give birth is somehow special (hint: it's utterly prosaic and no different than growing a fingernail) and justifies some sort of I'm better than you attitude.

[–]Esposition 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was actually really interesting. I like the longer more informative videos that get posted on here and r/documentaries that are an in depth look at a controversial topic without it devolving into a shouting competition. I like the feeling of coming out of these videos having learned some facts instead of loud opinions.

[–]MrAlakad 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

this reminds me of when i was working in a restaurant in my late teens, there was a 40ish woman manager who seemed quite fond of one of the bus boys who was only 14.

around christmas time she gave him a christmas card which he showed to other people and it had some subtle, but definitely suggestive comments in it. i can't remember exactly what it said, but there was no mistaking that it was a sexual advance.

nobody took it seriously at all and i don't know what happened to the kid. i hope he didn't get abused and i just sat by and let it happen.

[–]dirtymoney 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Great submission. This is the kind of interesting reddit submissions I like. Puff submissions are fine, but this kind of thing is better (IMO).

Thanks for posting it

[–]cowscankill 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

For a feminist I really appreciate that she also fights against the vilification of men. She seems like an amazing person, though I can't say I know much about her.

[–]betteroffinbed 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Posts like this are why I use Reddit. I had never thought about the subject of this video before...it had never really crossed my mind. This woman really got her ideas across very well and I found myself unable to disagree with any point she made. I am so glad I took the time to watch this. As much as child abuse is a horrible thought, it is much better to be informed.

[–]ilovetoeatpoutine 23ポイント24ポイント  (9子コメント)

In my experience of living, I have come to notice that 100% of the time when there is someone who has utter disgust, and a blind-hatred towards men, thinking that they are the only abusers and that women cant be abusers, were women who were abused by a man as a child. 100%.

I can understand why they are this way too. You see, when the subject even comes up, something about there mood changes. They possibly relive the event that has traumatized them so. everything they think and say will likely come from their emotional side of thinking. Emotional thinking is a double-edged blade; it can be helpful and it can be harmful.

You redditors will see it all of the time while on this site. You read something that elicits an emotional response from you (anger, happiness, sadness) and you will all crowd around spreading love, or hatred. The ugliest are the witch hunters, who create a destructive/vengeful force that desires to destroy any being or idea in their path.

We must not let emotional thinking be our only avenue, as it will make us blind to whatever is right in front of our eyes. Here we have a women speaking for those who were abused as children by women, and the response she gets is the insanity that refuses to even look or acknowledge. So then, victims are left in the dark.

True strength, knowledge, wisdom, HAS to come from discipline of yourself. We can not think through problems one-dimensionally or we face the wrath of creating 10 more in place!

[–]Bigdatafarmer 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

How would you know that they were abused by a man as a child in order to get your 100% number? Or are you just making shit up?

[–]jooner 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

The sentence began, "in my experience"... I read that as " in my opinion ", or " to my knowledge "

[–]Ben--Affleck 28ポイント29ポイント  (24子コメント)

So, who'd like to post this on r/feminism and get banned?

[–]comment9387 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it's sad that the woman in the video considers herself to be feminist, but not a REAL feminist like the people who disrupted her conference. I think she should be called the real feminist and those other people should be called shitheads.

[–]HawkFeathers_ 8ポイント9ポイント  (11子コメント)

Oo oo me!

o/

[–]Stallari 7ポイント8ポイント  (10子コメント)

I wasn't angry until I clicked that link.

[–]HawkFeathers_ 17ポイント18ポイント  (8子コメント)

Yep same, they are saying that Ellen Pao resigning is because of sexism and racism.

[–]Starslip 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

They have cause and effect mixed up. People didn't hate her for her race or her gender, they hated her for her actions, and then often used nasty slurs against her race and gender. It's still ugly, but no one cared about either one until she started fucking with how things were run, and they weren't a real concern even then, simply a means by which to insult someone that they loathed.

[–]CrassHoppr 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Really is anything "bad" that happened on Reddit directly attributable to her? If it was just her being a dictator wouldn't all of those decisions have been reversed when she left? The real reason people kept attacking her is because of her lawsuit, her husband and the fact she is a feminist. For example this video that was #1 post in /r/videos a few times.

[–]Starslip 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The real reason people kept attacking her is because of her lawsuit, her husband and the fact she is a feminist

I feel this is again confusing cause and effect. These became targets after unpopular decisions were made that were attributed to her, rightly or wrongly. No one would have cared who the new CEO was if there hadn't suddenly been unpopular changes made after she came on board. Whether she was responsible for these changes or not is something of a moot point, so much as people believed she was. So she was either forced to resign due to user backlash because users believed she was the one who decided those things, or because she fulfilled her purpose for reddit of being the target of everyone's ire.

Either way, I think that saying she was forced out because of racism or sexism is incorrect.

[–]foxh8er 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Was the backlash not filled with both sexist and racist rhetoric?

[–]Manburpigx 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wow. Very powerful video. If only she knew how relevant this would become 10 years after filming. Thanks, OP.

[–]r0botdevil 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

Wait, I didn't realize there was actually controversy regarding this subject outside of Tumblr...

[–]FreudJesusGod 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

There are playgrounds in NY state that do not allow unaccompanied men. No joke.

[–]Danabler42 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I live in CT and I once sat on the swings at the playground near my house because, A: no one was really around, and B: swings. Some girl came and sat on the one next to me, and then asked me if I could go somewhere else because I could be like a rapist or something.

[–]mannyafg 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Where in CT? I'm from Fairfield and my buddies and I used to hang out at the local elementary school all the time kicking around the footy. Kids were almost always around and we even played soccer with them (10-15 kids) while their parents were god-knows-where.

[–]b15495 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is depressing.

[–]Karmelion 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Turns out both men AND women can be evil pieces of shit.

[–]CardsLafter 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow, this is very enlightening and disheartening at the same time.

[–]Deadpool1205 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I heard her pronunciation of 'controversy' and almost stopped watching. glad I didn't! really interesting topic that While i'd thought a little about it I didn't know any of the science or statistics of the situation...

Also FUCKING ROSE STEMS? FUuuuuuuCK!

[–]NGC474 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Man, woman, gay, straight, black, white, yellow, brown, old, young it doesn't matter. Abusing someone sexually (or in general) violates them in extremely damaging ways and is such a terrible thing and I don't care what or who you are. It's the actions that make the person, not their gender, sexuality, race, or whatever. Those who disagree that women can abuse insult all of those who have been abused. Being a "feminist" (at least to me) does not mean seeing males in a bad light. It is being proud of being a woman while also being proud of men. But men and women have the ability to be bad people and those people and issues shouldn't be overlooked just because it's not "typical" or "not hear of." To those who are suffering or have suffered, my heart goes out to you as you heal.

[–]aenigme 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Germain Greer: "I have a great deal of difficulty with the idea of the ideal man. As far as I'm concerned, men are the product of a damanged gene. They pretend to be normal but what they're doing sitting there with benign smiles on their faces is they're manufacturing sperm." (Citation: Sydney Morning Herald, November 14, 1991)

[–]thecarolinelinnae 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I know we're all entitled to our opinions, but really...

Also this...

And this...

[–]MumrikDK 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't blame her for writing that... She was busy laying eggs.

[–]lisa_lionheart 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

She is just a horrible monster

[–]LunenbergCountySon 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's funny, as a student of psychology I've known about female pedophiles for quite a while. I never really thought about it as something people considered unusual.

Clearly, I'm out of touch.

[–]D7inlofi 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It amazes me that anyone would want to disrupt public discourse. It happened in 1994 suppositively for this women, and it happens yearly still. Yet feminists here still think it's not an big issue and we shouldn't get outraged by it.

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