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Silence those who disagree? (self.ukpolitics)

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Or, a discussion on the rise of censorship as motivated by the desire to prevent political opponents who hold "evil" views from sharing their views. Mostly (but not entirely), this is related to Universities. If you are outside of a university, remember that University-educated students are the next leaders of business and government and they will almost certainly take behaviours learnt at university with them into these areas. Additionally, there is the potential that "offensive" research into controversial subjects at universities will be censored.

While the occasional article gets posted, there's been no all-encompassing discussion thread on the subject here, as far as I know.

Relevant articles and other bits from a variety of sources:

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/04/britains-hypocritical-universities-are-naked-before-their-enemies/

http://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/feb/02/free-speech-universities-spiked-ban-sombreros

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/bahar-mustafa-goldsmiths-university-diversity-officer-keeps-her-job-after-vote-of-no-confidence-petition-fails-10277562.html

http://blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/2015/05/if-youre-a-conservative-im-not-your-friend/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducation/universities-and-colleges/11387191/The-suppression-of-free-speech-on-university-campuses-is-reaching-epidemic-levels.html

Currently on the front page: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/07/11/scottish-paper-sacks-two-columnists-over-criticism-of-islam/

Stuff to discuss:

  • Scale of problem
  • Growing or shrinking problem
  • Ways to resolve problem
  • Motivation of problem
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[–]Lolworth🍻 UKIP 👴👍 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

When I was at uni no one gave a shit about politics, it just kinda happened in the background. I propose that the leaders of tomorrow are currently too concerned with getting drunk and attempting to get their end away to get involved in SJW hysterics or similar.

[–]Ivashkinpanem et circenses [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I dated an NUS President for a few months, her biggest accomplishment was stopping people smoking pot by her office window.

[–]Quagers 6ポイント7ポイント  (12子コメント)

You are confusing university politics with something people care about.

95% of students don't give a shit and the 5% who do get to be big fish in a little pond which no one takes any notice of. The future leaders are not "learning any behaviours" from this bollocks, they are normally off drinking, studying or playing sports.

[–]Darth_Thatcher [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

It's not just high-up university politics that engages in this kind of thing. I'm on a history and politics course at a well respected uni, and constant vilification of UKIP is so common among students and staff members that the only UKIP sympathisers I know stay totally quiet about it for fear of being made public enemy number one.

Support for any right wing ideas is stigmitised, but socially right wing ideas are particularly despised and suppressed. Most seminars turn into echo chambers, and even though the uni is full of privately educated Tory kids, they almost never get a word in because the lefties are louder, prone to ad hominem and aggressively bigoted towards anybody that doesn't share their view. One of my Conservative friends told me that she felt like a bad person after a seminar on class history because of her political leanings.

[–]Tophattingson/r/ukmod[S] [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Well said. The NUS might be opaque and it's internal workings largely ignorable, but the impact it has on the surrounding university and the activities of left-wing non-NUS students are definitely not.

that the only UKIP sympathisers I know stay totally quiet about it for fear of being made public enemy number one.

I hide the majority of my right-leaning economic views, and my status as a Lib/Con swing voter. I especially dare not state my mildly pro-Israel stance in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. My Uni thankfully has a relatively competent (read: doesn't do anything) student union that doesn't have any censorious policies.

[–]Darth_Thatcher [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Pro-Israel? Man, I know people that'd want to bloody hang you.

My views have shifted throughout university, but when I arrived I was pretty much solidly Conservative. In the first week somebody asked me which political party I supported, I said Conservative, and he instantly called me a wanker and stopped speaking to me. Fortunately he wasn't a politics student, but that's still pretty awful.

[–]supermanuncrational leftie [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I have a strongly-conservative friend and I constantly challenge him on his views, but I would never stop being his friend, or degrade him in anyway simply because of his political views.

Anyone who can't understand that supporting a certain political party doesn't make you a bad person is not worth your time, the real 'wanker' was him.

[–]GeorgeMellor [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I especially dare not state my mildly pro-Israel stance in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict

Presumably that's because people don't think supporting state terrorism and apartheid are political opinions consistent with being a worthwhile human being.

[–]GeorgeMellor [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Support for any right wing ideas is stigmitised, but socially right wing ideas are particularly despised and suppressed.

Quite right too.

One of my Conservative friends told me that she felt like a bad person after a seminar on class history because of her political leanings.

She is a bad person and if she's a Conservative she's not even a person at all but a subhuman rodent who ought to be hunted for sport.

Tory lives don't matter.

[–]Tophattingson/r/ukmod[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

If it's completely irrelevant, then why has it already lead to the destruction of a Nobel Laureates career?

[–]Quagers [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That is different, that went beyond student politics. Most of your links and the substance of your post fall into the previous category.