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[–]Suravira 56ポイント57ポイント  (5子コメント)

AWALT, even your own mother.

It's not even your mother, it's especially your mother, and don't forget it.

"All women are whores... Except my mother... But then again, she is a woman too." ~ Napoleon Bonaparte

[–]TheDialecticParadox 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is true.

I know for a fact if my mum wasn't old, fat and saggy, she would jump off the marriage bandwagon and jump on an alpha dick as soon as the opportunity arose.

I heard her say this quite crudely about her friends' partner on the phone who is jacked, tall and is doing well financially. At the time it shattered my perception of her. Now; AWALT.

Women never change, they just get older.

[–]randomuserwot 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm surprised it took so long for a thread like this to pop up. My mom is basically the same as OP's. Nah, probably worse. Depressed, constantly nagging. Brings up every one of my failures every fucking time we meet. No benefit to keeping her around. Let her grow older, hating herself even more (because, according to her own words: "I just don't feel pretty anymore"), taking it out on those around her by herself. I won't be there. Fuck that shit! She even faked having someone "interested in her" by sending herself flowers. I think my bro and dad both saw through it, but no one said anything. She's got so many privileges, yet all she does is complain. Ungrateful c....

[–]betterdeadthanblue 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most women never mature past age 17, and why would they. Maturity is a result of hardship, and western women live the most coddled, soft life of anyone in history. The oldest teenager in the house is dead accurate.

[–]ScottRikkard 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is very very important observation.

Had a similar post few days ago. OP you gotta self prioritize, and cut off all the necrotic tissue from your life. Sometimes, when dealing with relations with pathological family members, its either you or them, no middle ground.

I know it can be hard, she is your mom after all, but you are not a boy anymore. And some women (like my mother) just gotta attack every alpha they see and try to ruin his self-image. So only beta behavior survives around them. But again - that makes them even more mad cause no tingles now!!! They fall into circle of doom because even most alpha guys (believe me I saw it) don't want to deal with that amount of shit testing and drama. Correction - alpha's especially, we go for submissive girly girls.

You are not alone man, it's an epidemic.

[–]randomuserwot 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Got nothing to add, just wanted to say thanks for sharing. It feels good to know you're not completely alone out there. Fuck, this kind of feels like an AA meeting now.

[–]Cis_Masogynist 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

Give your father a copy of NMMNG and ask him to read it because you want his opinion.

[–]DarkSayed 27ポイント28ポイント  (21子コメント)

I really feel bad for men like this: they work hard to do the best for their families, and instead of getting support from the one person whose duty it is to give it to them, they get shit on.

Oh what am I talking about, how sexist of me to suggest that wives have a duty to be supportive spouses to good men....for shame, I should get a job at UCL and promptly resign.

Well, OP, your father is not unique. Where I live - England - it seems that this is the only acceptable dynamic. The woman is the boss and the man is a servile, beaten down work-donkey.

For this reason alone (amongst many others) the thought of getting married to an English girl disgusts me. Never get married

[–]ForgeAndTemper 17ポイント18ポイント  (20子コメント)

I am so done with England. I have yet to find a feminine woman. Even my completely well raised and (can I say attractive?) sister is becoming a crazy feminist. I associate 0% with the idea of being 'British'. Whether it's the lower classes embarrassing us abroad or the higher classes being the most pussy weaklings on the planet, we are a shame of our former selves and it's feeling more and more like 1984 all the time. Can't wait to stack enough and leave.

[–]mrgogo1 5ポイント6ポイント  (8子コメント)

What options are you considering for future home, somewhere in europe or further out?

[–]ForgeAndTemper 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

I wish I could give you a good reply. I've travelled here and there, I have a few ideas. Everytime I see someone post something like I just did, I'm the one asking what options they're considering.

The leftist machine has a long reach, the ice is shrinking beneath our feet. I think there will be some sort of western collapse, but it will be very slow and a whimper, rather than a bang. So we might have time to enjoy some of the fringe places.

I want to explore Europe further to see what the options are like there. I've always loved Asia and could easily set up camp there. Who knows man, there are no easy answers. Maybe I'll be here longer than I want, but my biggest fear is being here when either the shit hits the fan or they close the borders. That really is my biggest fear.

[–]mrgogo1 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

For asia i think phillippines is easiest for english guys, many locals speak great english and compared to thailand it feels much less alien.

[–]ForgeAndTemper 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thanks for the tip, I will be looking into it. I've been to some countries in that general area, thoroughly enjoyed it; it's probably where I will end up. Are you thinking the same?

[–]mrgogo1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes in asia that is the best option i have found and the girls are more caring and its got a good vibe to many areas.

In Europe i like the South of france just for the lifestyle, not for the women. For the women there you have to be uber rich. So i spend a few months a year there just for enjoyment.

[–]randomuserwot 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Hong Kong is great, but crowded and expensive. Bangkok appears to be attractive as well, but the ever present regime changes aren't all that great for businesses I'd guess. China ... if you're ruthless enough, this is an environment where you'll thrive.

[–]ForgeAndTemper 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Thanks for the tip, I've been considering Hong Kong as well. Any thoughts on Singapore?

[–]randomuserwot 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

NEVER Singapore. Don't trust my words, read about it. Their laws are so fucked up. They have the most draconic punishments for the most minor offenses. It's not a place where I'd be able to feel free. Then again, that's just me.

[–]ForgeAndTemper 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I'd suspected as much. Research to be done, thanks again.

[–]DarkSayed 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I feel very similarly. I think the British really need to get their act together and start taking pride in their country. I'm sick of seeing big contracts go to foreign companies, our piffling response to 30 Britons killed (The RAF should be raining hell on ISIS right now), and the overly apologetic, spineless leadership. that's not to mention the breakdown in family, which I believe is the single biggest problem this country faces, even worse than housing or poverty.

I think that having been born in a foreign, hellish country, I appreciate the freedoms and values of Britain much more so than the average native Brit.

Anyway, I intend to play my part in making Britain great again, like it should be. The first step will be getting the fuck out the EU.

[–]ForgeAndTemper 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I admire and respect your optimism but the pride is gone forever. I don't know history well enough to pinpoint it, but look around.

Acceptance of Islamic rape gangs, so as to not look 'racist'. Handing of benefits to unemployed immigrants, whilst working people who fall on hard times have real problems with the job centre. White/self hatred of our past, tone policing in the media, Orwellian police force, and everyone thinks it's just great.

I don't have the skill to describe exactly what I mean, but the average 'British' person to me is the exact opposite of an 'English' person. I see the English as adventurous, enterprising, inventive, with honour and pride. The British are ass covering bureaucrats, slimy whiners, sedentary grey suit wearing corporate shills, cuckold socialists or disgusting benefit abusers.

I agree with everything you've just said, but I'm done. I want out, because it's a losing battle.

[–]PaulAJK 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ay, we're a country of mannish women and womanish men, and it's getting worse.

[–]ForgeAndTemper 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just find everyday the concept of escape creeping further and futher forwards in my mind. I feel like the only sane person around. Kind of arrogant but I feel like an outsider really.

[–]Trpidation 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

This is interesting to me. I met a group of dudes at a bar downtown last night (In Salt Lake City, Utah) and they said the same thing. I've been to England on multiple occasions and LOVE it there. At least when compared to America. I'm probably biased because I'm a huge DnB fan/producer, and wish that I could hit up DnB clubs on a regular basis. Fuck I love that music.

Point is, I'm sure in a lot of ways, if not all, you're right. England is probably struggling just as much as America if not more. I haven't lived there so I don't know. But I do know that it seems a lot better than America from my perspective. What is it we constantly accuse women of? "The grass is always greener" mentality. I gotta make sure that's not what's happening for me. Maybe I just gotta get the fuck out of America and go anywhere but here.

[–]dogextraordinaire 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

England is still a fantastic country but it seems that it is beset on all sides by other country's issues and propaganda. We have people from the Muslim world pushing for their ideology and then movements such as feminism from America gaining ever more traction. The same is happening across most European countries but it seems far worse here in Britain.As for girls, maybe it is because I go to University (and most are inherently liberal), but more and more seem to be ascribing to the feminist ideology. It makes sense though, it is after all -as proved in America- a very effective sexual strategy.

It is a big thing among the circles I move in that 'Britain isn't great anymore'. I would argue we haven't been great since we retreated from empire. Most of the old school Britons I talk to are moving/planning to move to Australia. It doesn't seem much better over there to me though either.

[–]ForgeAndTemper 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yes in balance to my rant, there are some positives, especially for the electronic music scene! The grass is always greener; perhaps this is something I should meditate further on. I have never been to America (always wanted to, but not so sure recently), so I can't say too much more really.

We might not have the same level of craziness that you guys have, but the pervading attitude is of obedience, mediocrity, consumption, acceptance of status quo, anti-intellectualism, anti-introspection, comfort above anything interesting and sweet Jesus the sucking of corporate dick. Again, maybe not as bad as the states, but if you want a job in this country, you better get real used to that dull executive dick up your ass.

[–]came_up_with_this 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

American here, can confirm that the states have a similar attitude. I'm actually in Birmingham right now for work so it's interesting to hear your opinion after I've spent some time here as well.

Grass is always greener - I've been marveling at things over here that make Americans look like savages...

[–]ForgeAndTemper 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ahh Birmingham. I've had mixed experiences. I really enjoyed the nightlife when I've visited friends there. But there are serious racial problems in Bham, that the media is very quiet about; it's a micro version of the future of England

Call me racist or whatever but I don't care. 80% of people non-white, you've got preachers reading the Qran in public, on the high street with full speaker system. It is the first place I've ever felt actually discriminated against.

I walk tall and proud, and I was being eyeballed by black and Asian people with that look. In somewhere like Bham I am an outdated colonialist pig that should either submit or be hung under Sharia law. I grew up in London; I'm no stranger to diversity, but there isn't the same hostility, even in the bad parts of London. It is still under a normal semblance of control and civilisation. All the white people in Bham that I could see walked with bad posture, heads down, and were timid supplicating cucks. It is a microcosm of what's to come. It's soft invasion and nobody's willing to admit it.

[–]came_up_with_this 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It all makes sense now.. I'm staying near city center and was wondering why some of the locals had that image going for them... my predecessor essentially summed it up as "B'ham is where Briton's rednecks live" ...

Interestingly enough - my colleague and I were eating dinner in a Tiger Bills the other night and watched as a bunch of white customers almost jumped the Indian manager/owner. Granted, the service was fucked but we didn't think it was worthy of getting gang beaten. We definitely did order drinks and watch the fireworks unfold >.<

Something else that trips me out is the number of mosques with minarets - you don't see those back in the states. Not commenting on whether that's good or bad... just that it's different.

[–]ForgeAndTemper 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah that sounds about right; there are still white people of the 'redneck' level. I guess we call them chavs or just scum. They make up a big chunk of the indigenous population in Bham, as you've noticed!

As for the mosques, I don't know how prevalent minarets are over here, but in general you don't have to go too far to find your local mosque. Shit there's one 2 minutes away from me now.

As far as the north of England is concerned, I much prefer Manchester and Leeds.

[–]4benny2lava0 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Funny to run into this, I'm leaving today to go kayaking and fishing with friends. My mother thought she could just bitch me out over my equally entitled feminist sister. I held my frame, listened,agreed, escalated and then walked away because my time is valuable.

So is yours.

Women in your family will be the most difficult to deal with because they are going to have a hard time with you not being their good little beta. TRP theory applies to your mom too.

[–]Screenp2 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

My grandmother had a 25 yr affair with her alpha while granpa was shelling the islands from the big boats. Came home a hero who slept in his own room. As a 7 yr old i knew adults dont sleep in seperate rooms, gramma said he snored.

My mom was a text book single mother slutting it up with kids in tow after she left my dad until she met my text book BB step wallet who was an ER doc in training. He paid for everything while his dreams rusted in the garage.

Gramma is still with her guy to this day and my step is a shell of a human with copd who does nothing but work and read the paper while mom hangs with her grrrl friends.

No need to expand as you know the drill

[–]ScottRikkard 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

textbook example. Gotta think with your head and live for anything but women.

Edit - Live for yourself. Be selfish. Self prioritize.

[–]M4rkyboy 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

My Mum is discord on wheels. Entitled, bossy, aggressive, life-sapping, materialistic, frivolous, nagging, demanding.

I hate to say it but i have reason to believe she fucks other men behind my Dads back.

I don't like my Mum tbh.

[–]randomuserwot 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Vilar pointed out in "the polygamous sex" that children are actually UNABLE to truly love their parents. Don't feel guilty about it. It's an interesting read, I'd recommend it. Also goes into depth about powerdynamics between man-woman. She points out that men feel TWO different, basically detrimental towards each other, kinds of drives towards women: The sex drive and the nurturing drive. Sex drive explains itself, but also explains why male-female friendship isn't equal to male-male friendship. The nurturing drive is there because women will relentlessly play out their "weak and fragile" card, not only by their childish behaviour, but also by dramatically exaggerating their physical inferiority. This ultimately may lead to men developing pedophile or schizophrenic tendencies.

[–]chiralC 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

The biggest step I took in accepting TRP philosophy was overcoming my previous beliefs about my mother (and all the women in my family in general). Growing up, I was shamed for anything masculine and taught to worship her. I never realized the psychological effects of being raised by a single mother had on me, and I've been working relentlessly to undo them.

That was by far the hardest part to swallow. My mother had me convinced that she was a queen when in reality, she whored around with a ton of dudes and became the most entitled bitch I've ever had the pleasure of coming into contact with.

My therapy, and IMO the best part about TRP as opposed to say PUA, is that the road to recovery is becoming the best version of yourself. I've been reading non stop. I like relaxing on my back porch and reading. Centuries upon centuries of great men existed before us and encountered everything we have. I love acquainting myself with the great minds and almost consider it like a personal dialogue. Education is the key to everything, whether it's reading TRP online, discovering behaviorism and social dynamics, or devouring Shakespeare. OP, I discovered the answer to my particular conflict with my mother after reading A New Earth. Perhaps reading will help you discover yours as well.

[–]wanderer779 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

same here, if I was wealthy I'd get a property that butts up to a forest so I could read all day without distraction. I always thought I should read the classics but for some reason never did, but recently I started reading the Harvard Classics list. I realize now that my so-called education was a mockery. If I had it to do over again I think I'd have gotten my GED and educated myself.

I think also that it helps my relationship. The other day I was reading the apology of Socrates and afterward while his argument about the soul being immortal was on my mind. I was just sitting there thinking about this and my GF walks up with some attitude about some bullshit, can't ever remember what it was, and it was almost like I couldn't hear her. Many times she has done this and it affected my mind and started an argument, but not this time. I just sort of grunted and went back to my thoughts.

[–]johnnywahd 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sam Keen's Fire in the Belly: on being a man is a good read.

[–]DestroyAllBarriers 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

AWALT is true.

My mother said throughout my teenage life that "having kids was the worst decision she ever made" and "trust me never have kids" and the best one "if I could go back I wouldn't have kids". I started improving and now she "loves" me.

[–]randomuserwot 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

You becoming what appears to be succesful feeds her narcissism. "I put out a wonderful son, I am sooooooo great." Yeah right, cause popping out a kid is such an accomplishment.

[–]crazydave1979 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Don't be surprised if he's just waiting for his last kid to move out of the house.

[–]DrScientist812[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

And risk divorce rape? My mother hasn't worked a job in a quarter century and she's basically useless now. Mind you, she cooks and cleans and play housewife, but she doesn't have any marketable skills

[–]crazydave1979 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Divorce rape isn't as bad if your not paying child support. A single man can live very cheaply..

Sometimes it's better to sell everything, and take your half to start over.. Compared to supporting another grown adult that constantly drains your money on an ongoing basis

[–]wanderer779 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

if it was just splitting assets and going on your way it wouldn't be a big deal. If history is any guide you get back to where you started in 12 years just parking it in the stock market. Plus if you've been saving and investing the whole time you may have more than 2x what you need anyway, in which case you are just giving up money you don't need anyway.

The trouble is that it's often 70/30 or worse, and you have to pay alimony, so never getting married is still the correct policy IMO.

still I'd rather go live in a box than be miserable with a woman. I think for a lot of guys without kids, the thing that keeps them together is actually spite. They know the woman will win in the divorce, so they'd rather stay and make her miserable than be beaten.

[–]crazydave1979 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Alimony is way harder to get off there are no children in the house, and depending on the state it may not even be an option,or only be for a few years..

I've never been married. One year I decided I didn't want a house payment. Saved up for only three years and bought a short sale with CASH.. Sold my other house for a small profit..

Supporting a non working adult costs far more then a divorce. Most people don't even realize how much because it's all in spread out spending. In a few years op's dad could be closer to retirement then he was over the last twenty

[–]Grompher 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maid, chef/cook, caretaker? Ex MIL was the same way. She can play online games ALL DAY, but for a dozen reasons, she cannot work. Sitting in front of a computer for 5 hours and she cannot do it for pay. Only for recreation.

[–]LionLaw 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

My dad has always been Alpha as fuck, to the point where he is absurdly annoying because of it.
I had stupidly spent my entire life trying not to be like him, aside from lifting, and have only really began to appreciate how him being so Alpha has helped him maintain an otherwise unwarranted amount of respect from my family and his peers.
Be an Alpha dad fellas, god knows young boys need some proper guidance in this increasingly victimized world

[–]RPmatrix 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

your mum needs help to realize she's the source of her own misery ... and that will help your dad no end!

talk with your sister about it, that's what I'd do

[–]DrScientist812[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

The problem with my mom is that she's the oldest daughter (in a family of 4 daughters and 1 son) and her mother runs this gossip ring where everyone talks and no one ever speaks about things face to face and no one has a sense of humor about themselves (there are exceptions but none that can be used to my advantage). She is so set in her ways and unwilling to acknowledge any of her own faults that she kind of sits still and marvels that the house is always a mess.

My sister is pretty level headed for a girl and I respect her opinion and judgment of the situation but she's moved out of the house and doesn't really have a say in what happens there anymore. I'd love to help, but sometimes my butting in only causes more strife rather than resolving any conflicts. I figure the least I can do is let my dad know that I appreciate him.

[–]RPmatrix 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

hey man, a friend of mine's mum was the same, and he got her to go see a new dr, and helped her work out a btter diet for her, as hers was shit at that time, and it worked a dream in about a yr, that was about 2 yrs ago and he was only telling me the other day how well she's going!

good luck whatever you can do bro, It's kind of you to think of her and want to do something,, I hope you do work something out, it sounds like your mum is bored and needs a 'reason for living' ....

pm me if you want to ask anything

cheers bro

matrix

[–]randomuserwot 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

IF you do this, please remember Rollo's rule to FIRST help yourself, then, and only then think about helping others who are deserving of your help.

[–]DrScientist812[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If anyone deserves to be happy it's my dad, but I'll admit I need a bit more work before I'll be able to call myself "ready"

[–]the99percent1 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, do not go breaking up your family..

your dad is an adult. He makes his own decisions in life. To be with your mother is his and only his decision to make.

Move on and live your own life.

[–]DrScientist812[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Where did I say I want to break up my family? At the very least I want to let my dad know that he's appreciated and that there's a better way where maybe he can keep his family and not have to take shit all the time.

[–]TheJessee -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

If it really pisses you off that much, try initiating a conversation with your dad about it, but don't point fingers, rather than that you should start with some chit-chat and then ask him if he's happy, how he's feeling, if you point fingers he will simply defend her, you have to make him realize the root of his problems by gently pushing him there, it's the same principle of why they tell people not to talk about trp with others

[–]DrScientist812[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's what I was thinking. Due to distance and time change we haven't talked much for a few weeks but I'll give him a call this afternoon or later this week and just have a good father-son chat.

[–]djthiago1 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If yours was the only one i swear to god i would fix her, since everybody's mom is the same, oh well. This includes mine. Single mom of 3, and yes, very slutty.

[–]Stythe 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fuck a 40 year old. That'll change your perspective like nothing else.

[–]DysfunctionalBrother 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Probably not. You can make suggestions and make criticisms that are helpful, but she likely wont ever change because it is so hard to change a habit i.e her treating your father badly. In my experience women are the least likely to make a good change in their lives than men. Plus the longer you do something the harder it is to change it. That doesn't mean you should give up though. You may be able to do something that i cannot, but i wouldn't hold you breathe.