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[–]AurondarklordLawyer-kin, prounouns: Sue/Sues/Sueself 1715ポイント1716ポイント  (166子コメント)

Hilarious if true, but in all seriousness probably not the best way to have that conversation with your kid, a little understanding goes a long way, even if the core message is the same, half these kids were probably brainwashed as fuck by tumblr groupthink and have gotten deeply invested in their snowflake identity because they're terrified their online peers will reject them if they come out as normal.

[–]SergeantJezzaNextOf-Kin 400ポイント401ポイント  (20子コメント)

they're terrified their online peers will reject them if they come out as normal.

Fucking normies.

[–]Deviant_Fart 176ポイント177ポイント  (13子コメント)

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[–]Clambulance1Depressed cause oppressed 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

What do normies do... get smoothies or something?

[–]BillNyeTheRussianGuyHadou-kin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Mom... Dad... I don't know how to say this but... I'm... I-I'm normal

[–]Paralititan 667ポイント668ポイント  (43子コメント)

That last sentence makes so little sense out of context.

[–]luvs2spooge187 1074ポイント1075ポイント  (28子コメント)

It's funny because it's a run-on sentence.

[–]TooSunny 208ポイント209ポイント  (13子コメント)

Well look at mister "I know how to use periods"

[–]GamerSamPasta-Kin Pronouns: Noodle/Ghettis/Rigitoni 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

it's called mutlisentence you shitlord, quit shaming.

[–]mattatinternet 176ポイント177ポイント  (9子コメント)

It's all one sentence mate.

[–]SpunkyMcButtlove 92ポイント93ポイント  (5子コメント)

I think he might be aware of that.

[–]H3000(◡‿◡✿) frist of all how dare yo u 22ポイント23ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think he wasn't and was referring to the part of the sentence that comes after the last comma.

[–]steamboat_willy 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

that flair is fucking perfect.

[–]hellodontmindRumpelstilts-kin 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nearly, it should be "how dare yo u".

/pedant

[–]H3000(◡‿◡✿) frist of all how dare yo u [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Frist of all my flair is my own and I will do with it what I wish. Secondly, I changed it and thanks.

[–]QCMBRman 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just like the first.

[–]SidViciious 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't see how it's any different to other teen sub-cultures that shun the norm. Punks, goths, em0's and all that gibbins.

[–]FiggotsNo True Scots-kin 34ポイント35ポイント  (5子コメント)

Ugh, my name is Drakkar Noir now, dad.

[–]Apoplectic1I named my dick white privilege 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's a slippery slope from KISS makeup to puking on babies.

[–]FiggotsNo True Scots-kin 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Just don't have sex with serial killers and you'll be k.

[–]Apoplectic1I named my dick white privilege 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

But have an old school TV on hand just in case.

[–]SgtSlaughterEX 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

No you SHOULD have sex with serial killers, so they'll kill you last!

[–]ithinkineedanap 28ポイント29ポイント  (1子コメント)

I bet he didn't even say that, that's simply what she heard.

[–]Illinois_Jones [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah, if he's the kind of person who can say some shit like that to their kid then he/she/it should have known that reaction was coming

[–]dIZZyblIZZy 60ポイント61ポイント  (53子コメント)

Good point, but begs raises the question: how would one reprogram their brainwashed tumblrina child?

Edit - I meant deprogram

Edit2 - misphrase thanks for pointing it out (credit /u/POGtastic for noticing)

[–]Anathema_Redditus7.5cm Pak40-kin 105ポイント106ポイント  (11子コメント)

Just shut your child down, go to cmd.exe and execute normal_teen.bat

[–]DigiridoguyMoma Diablo vs John Cena! 21ポイント22ポイント  (6子コメント)

I aint seeing no cmd.exe, just MS-DOS Prompt. Here, ill just go to AOL what to do.

[–]TetragradeSoylent green! is rape! 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sudo hack

[–]Whirledleaderpretend 71ポイント72ポイント  (29子コメント)

You don't have to. Treat it like any other random identity your teenager falls into, whether it's jock or punk or skater. As long as s/he is basically a good person, it doesn't matter if they go around calling themselves "gendervoid catkin" for a few years.

The exception would be if the Tumblrina stuff is hurting them or leading them to be unkind to others, and even there you can deal with the behavior that's actually problematic without telling your kid their identity itself is wrong.

[–]IDontItsCinnamon 70ポイント71ポイント  (14子コメント)

I think what the Dad was doing (in a pretty ineffective way, though) was telling their kid to knock it off. Can you imagine being parent to a teenager who is a couple years out from joining the real world and they bring that shit to you? As a parent it's terrifying. Not like "oh, my kid is gay, life is gonna be harder for them" but "oh my kid is living in special snowflake fairy tale land and if they cling to this weirdness they're going to be living here forever."

There was that video a long time ago where the guy identified as penguin kin or something and recorded an interview with administrators at his school explaining why he needed to be accomodated and all I thought was "sweet Jesus this guy is never going to get a job if he keeps this up." Same idea.

Edit: Here is the video.

[–]ElMorono [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So much this. How is this kid gonna survive in the real world if he/she/purplemonkeydishwasher goes around like this? How are they gonna get a job if they put "Fluid" on their fucking resume? All these new theories about gender identity, and all that jazz is nice, but outside of social media and some shitty sociology class, none of this stuff exists. It's all just theories.

Parents are supposed to prepare you to survive in the real world. If they see you acting in a way that they believe could harm your chances of survival or hold you back, then they are going to tell you about it.

[–]PhillipYurmum 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

I can't tell if that kid is just one of the greatest trolls ever or an idiot. He asks if special bathroom accommodations can be made for him, the principal is like 'penguins don't use bathrooms', so he is like 'yeah, can I just go outside?'

If it is all a big joke, that is some pretty decent comedy.

[–]IDontItsCinnamon [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Might be. In the original post (search penguin on /r/cringeanarchy) someone commented that they went to school with him and he did this for months. Crazy.

[–]theFarginBastage 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

I love how the kid says they are trying to single him out. Actually kid, I think you have done a damn good job of singling yourself out by dressing like a fucking penguin.

[–]Whirledleaderpretend 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

My kids are 8 and 4. One of the very few ways I'm willing to generalize about parenting is to say most kids WILL grow out of just about any annoying phase. I guarantee 99/100 of these kids will shut up about it when it's time to get a real job ... and the one who won't probably has underlying issues to start with.

[–]FreudJesusGod 39ポイント40ポイント  (4子コメント)

you can deal with the behavior that's actually problematic without telling your kid their identity itself is wrong.

Except they're full of BS. One of your jobs as a parent is calling your kid on their bullshit so they don't grow up to be idiots. There is nothing wrong with telling them to grow the fuck up and to stop believing in nonsense. A teen is not a child; they're proto adults and should be expected to act in a more adult way.

[–]Uncle_Erik [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

No. Simply no.

You should not play make-believe past puberty. That stuff fucks people up.

I make an exemption for people who play make-believe professionally. That is, you get a paycheck. Acting is A-OK. If you get paid to play a character at Disneyland, go for it. You're doing something productive and earning money.

Playing make-believe on the Internet is not cool. You have to live in the real world. I know the teenage years are a transition from childhood to being an adult, but the sooner you start being an adult, the better. Children must be encouraged to grow up.

[–]Whirledleaderpretend [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I agree with you in the sense that I don't think people should live off their parents indefinitely. And if someone's beliefs are stopping them from moving forward toward adulthood, by all means it's time for a serious talk with them and probably therapy.

But I don't think trying on different identities as a teen is automatically harmful. Also, so much of this is around sexuality and gender identity, and that's so deeply personal I can't imagine dictating how my child should express theirs. I mean, I don't even believe in forcing my kids to wear clothes they don't like.

[–]Uncle_Erik 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

Take away the computer. Make the kid get a job. Fast food is fine. Make the kid get out of the house and take community college courses, volunteer somewhere, and hang out with friends in real life.

This special snowflake horseshit comes when people are isolated from others and hang out in odd corners on the Internets. They start to think this stuff is important or has some kind of relevancy. It's mostly narcissism caused by not rubbing shoulders with real humans and accomplishing real things.

I'm lucky - I grew up when there was no Internet and you spent time hanging out with friends. Around eight or nine, I was given a bicycle and expected to GTFO of the house. Not that I minded. I got together with friends and had loads of fun. I'm just an ordinary middle-aged guy and don't need to create a fantasy persona to feel good about myself. I've picked up three degrees, professional qualifications, speak a second language, have learned some difficult skills through my hobbies, and have traveled a bit. That's who I am. I don't need to make up bullshit labels for myself to feel different.

I think the father was absolutely right (assuming, of course, that this actually happened and it isn't some fantasy bullshit to get attention) and should kick the snowflake's ass into doing something actually valuable and productive as well as spending time with real humans instead of a bunch of insecure ninnies playing make-believe on the Internet.

[–]ClitInstantWood [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You know when you had that old tv that starts acting up and you couldn't fine tune it then giving it a nice slap made it work? Yea don't do this to your kid, sit down and have a nice conversation explaining what they did wrong.

[–]POGtasticRoman-kin. Preferred pronouns - is / eius / se 11ポイント12ポイント  (7子コメント)

Pedantic correction: The proper term is "raises" the question. Begging the question is when you use the assumption that the conclusion is true as part of your argument. It's a circular reasoning fallacy.

[–]mattatinternet 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with you. Still, it would've been so satisfying to be a fly on the wall during that conversation.

[–]YourMomsMilkMan 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Probably not the first time he's heard this kinda shit.

[–]aadams9900moonkin 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

all these tumblerinas trying to make themselves part of the lgbt community is making it hard for people who are genuinley confused about their sexuality/gender to accept themselves and come out because now people dont know if were trying to just get attention like tumblr or genuinely like dick. tumblr ruins everything, this is just like what happened to doctor who or harry potter, i cant tell people i like something because tumbr goes and makes it a huge fucking deal, and causes the normal population to roll their eyes.

[–]auronvi 11ポイント12ポイント  (6子コメント)

So, I don't have kids but I am 28 and have a steady girlfriend that I plan to marry so... it's something that will happen so... what do you do stop this shit? I mean, I imagine I have until they are in their preteens before they start surfing the web but how do I stop coming home one day to my son/daughter saying "I am a wolfkin dad." Because... I might have to just shoot them and start over if that happens.

[–]Uncle_Erik [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Relax. It's easy.

I was born in 1972 and we had none of this horseshit when I was a kid. Put your children into normal activities that have them around a lot of other children.

Sports are great. Soccer, Little League, Pop Warner, lots of stuff. I was in soccer and Little League. It's a great way to be with other kids and work together. Later, I got into marching band and tennis. Also very good.

I started in Cub Scouts and worked up to Boy Scouts and became an Eagle Scout. Scouting is great. I was also an editor on my high school's newspaper and had a job selling tickets at the local movie theater.

I'm not perfect, but I had a nice childhood and spent a huge amount of time with other people. I don't make up bullshit labels for myself. Keep the kids off the Internet for the most part and have them doing stuff with other people. The more time they spend with real people in the real world, the better off they will be. Have them accomplish real things in the real world to build an identity. If they spend all their free time with this kind of horseshit, they'll latch onto that to build an identity. Don't let it happen. If it starts to happen, do something like get them into evening classes at the community college. Academics are good, but a shop class to learn welding is also great. Plus it is a valuable skill with real world applications.

[–]Xero23 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

I have a daughter, and this terrifies me.

I've basically decided to do this: I'm going to go along with it. I'm going to tell her that I understand, and I still love get just as much as I always did.

Then I'm going to tell her that other people might not be so understanding of such s complex situation... That they would use it against her, and it would make life difficult. Someday, perhaps the world will accept her being retardkin.

Then, in a few years, I'll say "hey, remember how you said b you were " retardkin"? You fucking owe my for convicting you to not tell anyone.

[–]chuggingpills 24ポイント25ポイント  (8子コメント)

Fuck that. Dad did it right

[–]TonyFuckingDanza 12ポイント13ポイント  (7子コメント)

Right. It's important for people to see issues from many different perspectives other than their own. "Shut up with this made up bullshit" qualifies as a different perspective.

[–]ishii 18ポイント19ポイント  (5子コメント)

Imagine if this kid is using 'genderfluid' as a stepping stone on their way to coming out as trans? Like many gay people do with bisexuality? And their father has just told them to fuck off? I don't think that's particularly healthy.

Even if you disagree with the label, there are better ways to communicate with your children other than alienation.

[–]ffca [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Maybe he knows his kid a little better than you do. What if the kid deserved it? It is believable that the dad has heard something like this from his kid hundreds of times by now.

[–]kinky_mcbuttersnaps 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

When my friend in college came out to his parents, his Dad replied:

"Of course you're fucking gay! You're dressed like the fucking gay pride parade threw up on you!"

He was alright with it, though, fyi. He just liked to swear a lot. "For fucks sake, Sandra, these pyjamas have squirrels on them! Why the fuck would I wear clothes with squirrels on??" (He said that one night when I crashed on the couch, I couldn't stop laughing)

[–]rowdymark 80ポイント81ポイント  (122子コメント)

What is gender fluid exactly?

[–]SevereFuckDeficiency 100ポイント101ポイント  (30子コメント)

Follow-up question: If we reject the notion that gender roles exist, how is gender fluid a thing? What makes you a male or a female (or anything in between)? Is it the way you dress/style your hair/job/hobbies? If it is one of those (or anything else I forgot to add), then we do, in fact, have gender roles and things are fundamentally masculine or feminine, no?

[–]rowdymark 103ポイント104ポイント  (6子コメント)

I don't know. I have a penis and am attracted to women. That's all I have to go on. I mow the lawn but have no problem cooking and doing dishes.

[–]ChE_ 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

I am like that too, except I also feel like I should have a penis. I am happy with how my body is, and the only change that I would like made to it is for me to get better defined muscles, though I don't really have the drive to go to the gym.

[–]AmaroqOkami 35ポイント36ポイント  (2子コメント)

I met a person who claimed to be gender fluid, and their explanation for what they went through was extreme levels of dysphoria and wanting to be fully male, and then other days literally nothing and total comfort in their current sex.

This is the only person who actually claimed to be gender fluid and experienced dysphoria, and they said it was absolute utter hell, because even if she could transition, she's fairly sure she'd just experience it on the other side of things. Felt bad for her, honestly.

[–]gmangibby 56ポイント57ポイント  (1子コメント)

THANK YOU. So many girls at my school have suddenly decided that they're gender fluid while still insisting that we shouldn't conform to gender stereotypes but that's exactly what they're doing.

[–]JRutterbush [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

If we reject the notion that gender roles exist, how is gender fluid a thing?

It's a thing because gender identity and gender expression are not the same thing (and gender roles are completely separate from both of them).

Gender identity is who you are.
Gender expression is how you look.
Gender roles are what you do.

If you feel like a woman, that's your gender identity.
If you dress like a woman, that's your gender expression.
If you spend most of your day in the kitchen because you think society expects that of you, that's your gender role.

For most people, gender identity and gender expression match up, and to a lesser extent, gender roles often match up with both identity and expression (though that's changed quite a bit over the years). That is not, however, always the case. And the fact that they differ far less often than they match doesn't make the cases where they do differ any less valid.

It is entirely possible for someone to fluctuate in their gender identity from day to day... that's what "genderfluid" means. Sometimes you might feel more masculine, sometimes more feminine, and this can come just as much from internal biology (hormones and the like) as from external whims (just being in that mood where you feel like dressing up a certain way). There aren't many people that are like this compared to those who aren't, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

The problem is that we don't really have a very organized set of labels for all this, because we're still in the middle of figuring it all out. Genderfluid, for example, can refer to both someone whose gender identity is fluid and to someone whose gender expression is fluid, because the same word (gender) is used in so many different ways.

What makes you a male or a female (or anything in between)? Is it the way you dress/style your hair/job/hobbies?

No. Continuing the explanation, male and female - at least these days - is mostly used to refer to sex, while man and woman are used to refer to gender. The difference being that sex is your physical shape. So you can, for example, be a male woman (with a male body but a feminine gender identity). Again, this is a relatively new way of defining things, because it's only relatively recently that we've really been able to explore these sorts of things without getting stoned to death in the street (sometimes literally).

On a side note: gender roles exist, but they are entirely arbitrary. We invented them, they're not some aspect of our very nature. "Men should work, women should tend house." is not a natural state of being, it's just how we ended up dividing things based on loose perceptions of who should be doing what, based on associations like "Women give birth, so they should rear children." and "Men are usually bigger, so they should do the physical labor." The fact that gender roles are unnecessary (at least these days) and arbitrary and almost entirely socially designed doesn't mean they don't exist, it just means that we don't need them around anymore.

[–]uptotwentycharactersQuoiromantic Gray-Ace Demiboy 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's the same way people know they are transgender, because they have this sort of hard-wired internal sense of what gender they are. But with gender-fluid people it varies over time.

[–]kdoodlethug 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

This confuses me as well. If gender is culturally constructed and every culture is a little different, does that mean that some people would identify as a different gender if they went to a different country? Or is it just something you "feel" inside, something inherent that doesn't have to do with culture (this is what I'm leaning towards- I'm not super feminine but I am a woman and "feel" like I am too, regardless of my clothes, job, hobbies, etc.)

[–]Prof_AcornIt's the Great Pump-kin, Charlie Brown 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm male, but I don't really like sports or overt displays of aggression, and enjoy things like arts and crafts, try to connect with people through conversation, and can enjoy a musical like Les Miserables just as much as an action flick like Taken, but I don't worry about silly terms like "genderfluid" or "in touch with my feminine side". I still identify as male. I just like the things that I like and don't like the things I don't like and don't give a shit what people's opinions on that are.

Don't understand why we need all these specialkin terms to categorize our interests, and I'm just as annoyed with terms like "be a real man" as I am with "I'm a unicornkin!"

[–]dpekkle 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

You probably feel a certain way inside, and the way you name it depends on your culture.

e.g. third gender "kathoey" in thailand.

[–]transgender_accountIdentity-denying Tumblrkin 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You just made me wonder if there are people who live as one gender while in X culture, but as another gender while in Y culture. I mean, I plan to travel and it just occurred to me that I'll probably have to make that decision somewhere along the line.

Although that is different from fundamentally identifying as a different gender, though. Like if a third-gender-identifying/living person in Thailand came to the US and lived as a man, it wouldn't mean they stopped identifying as third-gender.

[–]BucketHelmcolour-kin: hue/hue/hue/hue 24ポイント25ポイント  (37子コメント)

[–]rowdymark 49ポイント50ポイント  (9子コメント)

Jesus. This bullshit is getting insanely out of hand. I'm flabberghasted that people actually think that way. Thank you for that link.

[–]SergeantJezzaNextOf-Kin 70ポイント71ポイント  (6子コメント)

Next we'll have "quantum gender", where you're both male and female at the same time, unless observed.

[–]MrMoustachioI am Lorde-kin. ya/ya/ya 32ポイント33ポイント  (1子コメント)

Schrödinger's gender

[–]Hederbomb 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would call bullshit, but people actually use it as a term...

[–]rowdymark 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hahaha! I wonder what ziggy has to say about that.

[–]VINCE_C_Collector of privileges 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Triggered.

[–]Apoplectic1I named my dick white privilege 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

So, I take it they are not self aware by default, as self awareness implies that one is in constant observance of one's self?

Why am I devoting so much thought to this?

[–]DryZebra 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

And it's annoying as fuck. I grew up around a few of these special snow flakes and holy shit does it get annoying. "Hey dude, do you wa...." "I'M NOT A DUDE RIGHT NOW!"

Later that afternoon, "Hey Dudette, do you wa...." "CAN'T YOU TELL I'M A MAN?!"

[–]SistaSabudais a really big asshole. Fuck that guy. 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

Situational gender convenience.

[–]SalchichaRuPrivilege's Dragon-kin Race 25ポイント26ポイント  (34子コメント)

Pretty much if someone is genderfluid, they sometimes want to express themselves as male and sometimes as female.

It's a pretty common special snowflake thing on Tumblr but it is real for some people IMO.

[–]veyra12 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is actually one that I don't legitimize. I used to know a genderfluid person. What it came down to was that they felt more masculine sometimes and more feminine sometimes. And when he felt more masculine, he'd wear pants. When he felt more feminine, he might wear something a little more elaborate or wear makeup or something. When he felt masculine, he'd do more masculine things. When he felt more feminine, he'd wear more feminine things.

So what it basically came down to was that he felt differently from one day to the next, and liked to do things based on how he was feeling that day. He liked to dress in drag sometimes, which I'm all for, but that's not a gender identity in and of itself.

Being 'trans' needs dysphoria. The dissonance between the gender identity and body is what causes the issue, and is why transgenders struggle so much with the actuality of their body. "Gender fluid" is basically just dichotomizing different activities into different genders, and liking to do different things sometimes.

[–]KnightDuty 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

What it came down to was that they felt more masculine sometimes and more feminine sometimes.

So what it basically came down to was that he felt differently from one day to the next, and liked to do things based on how he was feeling that day.

so basically, they 'existed.'

[–]Troggie42Magnetorheological Genderfluid 19ポイント20ポイント  (7子コメント)

My gender depends on the magnetic fields around me.

[–]Eloquium 25ポイント26ポイント  (2子コメント)

Aren't all humans 70% gender fluid?

[–]Balderdash_CamWatched Transformer movies - Is now Transphobic w/PTSD 35ポイント36ポイント  (1子コメント)

I spent most of my teen years getting rid of my gender fluid. Ba-dum tss! Thank you! Thank you! Try the veal folks!

[–]DubZOmb_Jonah 349ポイント350ポイント  (16子コメント)

Oh man, Pop's reaction was priceless.

[–]StopReadingMyUserCheck your Fridgelege for trans-fatty oppression 160ポイント161ポイント  (14子コメント)

I want to buy him a trans-ethnic beverage...

[–]_MFoB_ 80ポイント81ポイント  (12子コメント)

So... Like... Wine? Grape juice that transed to alcohol?

[–]Insanelopez 18ポイント19ポイント  (6子コメント)

Isn't every alcoholic drink trans in that case? Nothing starts out alcoholic. I'll have my trans-alcoholic potato drink over here.

[–]_MFoB_ 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

I suppose, but calling something like Whiskey mash a "drink" would be a stretch.

[–]Insanelopez 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hey shitlord, get out of here trying to misgender my beverages. Drink is the pronoun that Whiskey Mash chose, so if you can't respect that you should just leave.

[–]Doomdoomkittydoom 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ethanol is achiral, end of discussion.

[–]TooSunny 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, just regular grape juice that self identifies as wine kin.

[–]the_rickiest_rick 253ポイント254ポイント  (142子コメント)

I have this reaction all the time. Last time was reading a post on a friend's wall about "birth rape." It's when a doctor makes a decision to perform an episiotomy. Kill me now and save me from all of these people.

[–]mattatinternet 53ポイント54ポイント  (91子コメント)

Please take a screen shot and post it on here!

[–]the_rickiest_rick 94ポイント95ポイント  (90子コメント)

Here is the article and here is the screenshot from her page. http://thestir.cafemom.com/parenting_news/185409/mom_shares_graphic_video_of

http://i.imgur.com/zCyINCe.png

She also posts daily pictures of her breastfeeding so everyone has seen both of her entire boobs.

[–]Mazzaroppi 68ポイント69ポイント  (14子コメント)

And doctors have so much power and authority, I could see how they might feel it's their right to just go ahead, and get impatient with moms who don't immediately say "yes" to everything they think they should do.

Fuck how do people even think it's ok to start questioning doctor's decision on an operation room? Soon people are going to start barging into airplane's cockpits to question why the pilot are flying this way instead of another.

I'm not arguing that the doctor can never be wrong and he may indeed have made a bad call, but a situation where your or your baby's life may be in danger is NOT the place to sit down and start talking about the pros and cons of a medical decision.

[–]kestriel_devir [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I've heard that surgically cutting the vagina wider to accommodate the birthing process takes longer to heal than the body naturally splitting open itself. Doctors can cut too much (vaginal opening to rectal area) and it takes much longer to heal than the natural, unassisted process. I don't have sources because frankly, I'm already terrified of pushing a baby out of my vagina to go looking for that kind of info. I'm not entering into that territory til I have to.

[–]wolverstreets 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

Thats crazy that she would show pictures of her boobs. Unbelievable. But where? Where would she show these crazy pictures? What is the exact link to these photos?

[–]HipsterhollocaustNormal gendered 21ポイント22ポイント  (63子コメント)

To be fair that doctor was a dick.

[–]the_rickiest_rick 87ポイント88ポイント  (58子コメント)

So what? She was being pregnant crazy. It's just symptomatic of "I want it this way or else" behavior. I'm sure he was sued as a result of doing his job. And then to make it worse, now the phrase "birth rape" exists.

[–]Insanelopez 104ポイント105ポイント  (8子コメント)

I hate how rape is now the buzzword for forcing anyone to do something against their will. If a mother forces her child to eat his dinner is she food raping him? If a cop arrests someone are they handcuff raping them? Where does it stop?

[–]Apoplectic1I named my dick white privilege 45ポイント46ポイント  (2子コメント)

When rape doesn't have any real connotation to it, everyone's desensitized to it and it creates an actual rape culture that seems normal because it is now an everyday occurrence. Congrats radfems, great job.

[–]Tite_Reddit_Name 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Yea right. Like anyone would want to R her"

[–]fuckyoubarry 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well to be fair the doctor is making her vagina hole bigger with a sharp object against her will.

[–]HipsterhollocaustNormal gendered 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't agree with the term "birth rape" but she definitely didn't give consent to have the procedure done and she's lucid enough to where he can't say it was implied consent. It's like having a cricothyrotomy done when youre still awake. He was in a hurry and wanted to get the birth done quick which is a common behavior in ob, it's all about quick births rather than what may be best for the mother or child.

[–]boardinbetty 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, not pregnant crazy. "Birth rape" is a HORRIBLE name for what happened. But she's not pregnant crazy. She's a mother who in all likelihood had a birth plan, didn't want an episiotomy, said so, and the doctor still performed without consent.

There's a reason more and more women are choosing to use midwives or doulas for their births. OBs don't want to work all hours delivering babies, so they do what they can to schedule births resulting in more potential harm to mothers and babies alike.

He apparently thought speeding the process up through an episiotomy was best for his schedule, not the mothers and this is wrong.

If a mother has a natural birth (with or without an epidural) the chances are she'll naturally stretch with time. Sometimes babies come fast and a mother will tear. As someone mentioned below, that usually results in better healing anyway.

So, yes, this overuse of "rape" with so many things needs to go. But doctors need to respect the wishes of their patients.1

[–]I4dcQsEpLzTHvD1qhlDE 30ポイント31ポイント  (2子コメント)

She was being pregnant crazy.

No she wasn't. There is nothing crazy about telling someone not to perform unnecessary surgery on you.

I'm sure he was sued as a result of doing his job

He was not doing his job. There is no medical requirement to cut women's vaginas open during childbirth, and doing so is actually harmful. Doctors are required by law to obtain consent. Obstetrics is full of immoral and illegal actions like this, and it won't stop until enough of them get sued.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/labor-and-delivery/in-depth/episiotomy/art-20047282

[–]smittyjones 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

Article was tldr, but when my wife had our child, the doc said it was better to tear, rather than be cut, because it would heal faster and better if the tissues could interlace from the tear.

[–]penguintheologyunfortunately, it IS my job to educate you. hold still 25ポイント26ポイント  (25子コメント)

Excuse me? "Pregnant crazy?" '"I want it this way or else" behavior?' I'm sure you'd like to get your genitals cut up for no reason other than the doctor insisted without your consent. They are after all, your genitals.

The United States has an embarrassment of an infant mortality rate and a terrible attitude toward pregnant women as well as labor and delivery.

[–]SucksessfulManne-kin 9ポイント10ポイント  (8子コメント)

however episiotomies are not the cause of the increased infant mortality rates. i do agree though, child birth is seen as a medical condition in the US and infant mortality rates are the highest among post industrialized nations which is pitiful

[–]ChE_ 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Our high rate likely aren't associated with our birthing habits and likely a result of poor people's lack of prenatal care.

[–]AmadeusMopDovahkin 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

Not really. The US's IMR is around 6‰, number 169 (lower is better) of 225. The UK is 4.5‰, the EU as a whole has 4.3‰, South Korea is at 4‰, Germany has 3.5‰, and Iceland's 3‰. Every country except Japan and Monaco have IMR at around or above 2.5‰.

Now, what about the other side? Well, Russia has around 7‰, Argentina's got 10‰, and Mexico, number 123, has a rate of 12.6‰ — more than double the US rate. China's 14.8‰. It only gets worse from there: Egypt (#80) is at 22.4‰, Iran (#55) is at 39‰, Pakistan (#25) has 57.5‰, and Nigeria (#10) gets over 74‰. And last (or first, as the case may be) but not least, we have Afghanistan, number 1, with a staggering 117 deaths per thousand live births!

So while the USA might have a slightly higher IMR than many developed countries, it's actually not that bad relative to the majority of countries, and it's certainly not an embarrassment.

Somalia's IMR—1 in 10!—is an embarrassment. But ours? Ours is just a...'could be better'.

[–]whiteknight521 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It is a somewhat antiquated procedure that is overused around the world. Some hospitals have policies where every woman gets one. They can be damaging and are often unnecessary and there are plenty of horror stories of women being cut without consent or while explicitly refusing consent by an old school doctor who hadn't updated their protocol. I don't think rape is the right word but it is a breach of medical ethics. How would you feel if a doctor had the right to arbitrarily mutilate your genitals against your will because it was traditional to do so?

[–]babycoliveTrans-Atlantic[S] 21ポイント22ポイント  (6子コメント)

LMAO

[–]the_rickiest_rick 67ポイント68ポイント  (5子コメント)

This is one of my "I'm now a mother so I know all things" friends. I got so pissed when I read it.

[–]thehideousheart 46ポイント47ポイント  (1子コメント)

I can't remember the exact quote but its something to the effect of: 'having a child makes you a good parent in as much as owning a piano makes you a good pianist.'

[–]jksolI don't have pronouns, I have a name. 37ポイント38ポイント  (0子コメント)

googled it

Having children makes you no more a parent than having a piano makes you a pianist.

― Michael Levine

[–]moploplusDagoth Ur-kin. Pronouns: fool/I/am/a/god 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

"as a mother I have achieved omniscience and if you disagree you obviously dont have kids"

[–]Sporkosophy 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bonus points if you've been trained to handle children and they pull this on you.

[–]MrsHeisenberg 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Those are the worst types of people. I had some one on my news feed the other day telling other mothers that they can't (not that they shouldn't) but can not dress their toddlers in bikinis because it is sexualizing them and making them free game to perverts. What the hell? If you think of a toddler as sexual in any way, the problem is not the bikini. Stop telling other mothers what to do with their own damn children and mind your business.

[–]Anathema_Redditus7.5cm Pak40-kin 25ポイント26ポイント  (17子コメント)

Going through labor is now rape? Good Lord.

[–]ketsuban25 41ポイント42ポイント  (15子コメント)

Not so much the labour as having to be cut open from vagina almost to the butthole to make the birthing easier. Some women feel that it is done against their wishes and they wouldn't have torn anyway. In a lot of cases they do end up tearing and it can be harder to fix than a scalpel cut. I think they just don't like the lack of control, but that's childbirth for you.

[–]avocado_whore 26ポイント27ポイント  (3子コメント)

Not all women tear. It's actually a minority of people that do. I would not want the complications from that procedure and I think people should be able to choose what they prefer.

[–]cannabis_saDiva [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

In a lot of cases they do end up tearing and it can be harder to fix than a scalpel cut.

False. Natural tearing is preferred, except in emergencies. There are methods and positions to minimize tearing.

[–]moccasinroot 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

They performed an episiotomy on my wife. She was super pissed about it. Did she think it was rape, no.

[–]I4dcQsEpLzTHvD1qhlDE 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's when a doctor makes a decision to perform an episiotomy.

Against the patient's wishes. Which is illegal and immoral. Just because someone calls it a dumb name, doesn't mean they are in the wrong.

[–]Deep_fried_Noob 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

I misread the first sentence. I thought he/she said " I came out of my dad as gender fluid."

[–]tokmann67 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Same here..and it would've much more sense that way.

[–]helpmesleep666 135ポイント136ポイント  (10子コメント)

What the fuck man..

When can all of this just be chalked up to being young.. You're young things are new and confusing, don't define who you are if you're confused. I don't know what I am so I'm genderfluild. Well dumbass now you've just labeled yourself, instead why don't you try being mature about it. Do what the rest of us do. Internalize it and debate it within yourself, until you know who you are.

Life 'aint easy, I don't know where these people get the idea that everyone is just going to accept everything. Should it be that way? Yeah I guess, but is that reality? Not a fucking chance.

[–]Deviant_Fart 53ポイント54ポイント  (4子コメント)

I don't want everyone in the world to be accepting of everything. What a monotonous concept of society.

[–]TheMightyBarbarianDun-kin Do/Nuts 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

I handle it like a Scotsman. I internalize everything I don't like, and hope it dies before I do.

[–]SuperSheep3000 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because no one actually tells them what they are doing is what everyone since humans began thinking has done. Instead, they have a huge platform to tell everyone how they feel and have everyone tell them how they are right and their parent/friends are wrong.

There was never this kind of bullshit when I was young. No one has a platform, no had 1000 likes from people like this.

[–]MikeSogyny 94ポイント95ポイント  (2子コメント)

I want to buy this dad a non-craft beer and a fast food burger.

[–]myufa1 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well it just so happens my gendermobile's engine is smoking up. Could use some of that gender fluid.

[–]AloueiCMXTransethnic Latino Bipolarkin (PN: Prozac/Zyprexa/Deadself) 74ポイント75ポイント  (16子コメント)

Whether genderfluidity is real or not is hard to determine when people just dismiss it right away instead of trying to study it to see where it comes from, why, and how to help.

I'm gay. It took me until I was 20 to come out to my family. 60 years ago if you came out as gay, there's a good chance your parents would react similarly to this (if you were lucky) or even worse. Even today parents still act like this. To me, the fact that I was gay was huge. It went against everything I was taught. It went against my social circle. I never met any openly gay people before. I grew up always hearing about how the gays are bad for America. Being gay is a sin. Being gay means you don't really love anyone. I got lucky, my parents didn't really care much that I'm gay. But I would have completely lost any trust in telling them anything if they reacted how this parent acted.

Whether or not gender fluidity is real, the responses to this post are absolutely disgusting. You are fostering a community that rejects a teenager the ability to explore what gender is to them or what their sexuality is or to have open dialogue with others about issues in their lives. Whether or not genderfluidity is real, it was real to the person who told their dad they are genderfluid. It is part of their identity. 10, maybe even only 2 years ago, maybe even still today in America, being transgender was the exact same. We KNOW that being dismissive of a child's gender identification or ostracizing them is harmful through studies of higher suicide rates among LGBT groups. No matter how ridiculous it sounds you should NEVER act this way against someone who truly believes what they are saying.

Please, hold yourselves to a higher standard.

[–]soulreaverdanOnce a week, Sanity Sunday inflates my Karma [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Amen, friend.

[–]paulsteinway 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for injecting some reason into the conversation.

[–]Scarlettefox [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's really disappointing how angry these comments are. Identifying as gender fluid doesn't hurt anyone. I stay subbed to tumblrinaction because I want to make sure I don't stay within the same little bubble, but I actually respect genderfluid as an identity. If we accept the fact that someone can be trans (which I do) then why can't someone feel like both genders? Even if they're just confused, who am I to tell them how to live their life? idk this will probably not be received well but it's what I think, even if it goes against the norm here.

[–]hpsiequalsepsibir-kin stocks 54ポイント55ポイント  (19子コメント)

genderfluid isn't any more than a preferred aesthetic. I don't understand WHY THIS IS A THING

[–]babycoliveTrans-Atlantic[S] 55ポイント56ポイント  (12子コメント)

Yeah everyone is entitled to wear what they want but I don't understand why they feel the need to special-snowflake out and require people to give a shit.

[–]ithinkineedanap 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's just teens trying to find an identity and differentiate themselves, even if it's irrational or they emulate their friends.

[–]JJMythic 13ポイント14ポイント  (9子コメント)

I thinks its because feminists try and fight gender stereotypes. Say liking blue is male and pink, female. Confining them two colours to a singular gender, then makes someone who likes the opposite gender colour think, oh I must be genderfluid.

[–]babycoliveTrans-Atlantic[S] 26ポイント27ポイント  (8子コメント)

I feel like people like this are the most traditional in thought almost. I am a very feminine female and my favorite color is blue. I don't feel the need to call myself genderfluid because I'm mature enough to not just lump colors into gender boxes and don't feel the need to force people to hear about it all the time.

[–]RadicalChic 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know someone who identifies as genderfluid. She doesn't shove it in people's faces though nor does demand that people use certain pronouns based off how she's feeling. The only reason I know about it is because she offhandedly mentioned it while we were hanging out once.

I don't understand it in the least, but I'm cool with it as long as people don't use it to feel like they're a special snowflake victim.

[–]maybezany 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

There's a difference between hypocritical SJWs who use their "activism" to attack others, and genuine, harmless teenagers who are just confused about their identity. We'd do well to learn that difference.

[–]ishii 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is not something made up on tumblr though, so I don't get the rage. Third gender is actually a thing in many cultures, ancient or otherwise. And it fits under the term genderfluid. Hijras of India, who have gained legal identity, Fa'afafine of Polynesia.

Why TiA get so upset about what one girl on the internet says to her father I'll never know.

Genderfluid people still take hormones and get surgery like trans people. It's not just people dressing up differently sometimes. And you don't tend to take hormones if you're not serious.

[–]botched_rest_hold 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

It must be so fucking tiring to be the parent of one of those people.

[–]AwwNickYeah 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Am i the only one who googles these words everyday? Seriously i see a new one everyday. I can't keep up

[–]MyTeaIsMighty 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

What does Genderfluid even mean? I've looked it up and it's something to do with feeling more like girl some days and like a boy on others which usually manifests itself in what they wear. Which I don't get. Surely that idea of wanting to wear a dress one day then a suit on another and saying that means you're both "a boy and a girl" enforces those harmful gender roles they bang on about all the time. Seems a little hypocritical to me.

[–]Royal_Robin 23ポイント24ポイント  (4子コメント)

Its not just about what you wear. Its about how you feel. And its not on a minute to minute basis, its rarely even on a daily basis. Some people spend weeks or months presenting male and then spend weeks or months presenting female. Like most things tumblrinas talk about its a real thing that they've wrapped in a ton of bullshit.

[–]PixyFreakingStix 19ポイント20ポイント  (3子コメント)

Let's see...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genderqueer

There are a total of 66 citations here, and it appears none of them take TiA's apparent stance that it's "bullshit."

What's this about feels versus logic, etc, etc you people are always going on about?

[–]autowikibot 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Genderqueer:


Genderqueer (GQ; alternatively non-binary) is a catch-all category for gender identities that are not exclusively masculine or feminine—identities which are thus outside of the gender binary and cisnormativity. Genderqueer people may identify as one or more of the following:

Some genderqueer people also desire physical modification or hormones to suit their preferred expression. Many genderqueer people see gender and sex as separable aspects of a person and sometimes identify as a male woman or a female man, or combine genderqueer with another gender option. It can be helpful for some people to consider gender and sex as two separate things. Genders can include, but are in no way limited to, man/woman, bigender, agender, non-binary, etc. Gender identity is defined as one's internal sense of being a woman, man, both, or neither, while sexual orientation refers to an individual's enduring physical, romantic, and/or emotional attraction to others. As such, genderqueer people have a variety of sexual orientations, just like transgender and cisgender people do. Many genderqueer people identify as trans in more current discussions, as trans simply means that an individual does not identify as the gender they were assigned at birth. [citation needed]

In addition to being an umbrella term, genderqueer has been used as an adjective to refer to any people who transgress distinctions of gender, regardless of their self-defined gender identity, i.e. those who "queer" gender, expressing it non-normatively. Androgynous is frequently used as a descriptive term for people in this category, though genderqueer people may express a combination of masculinity and femininity, or neither, in their gender expression, and not all identify as androgynous. However, the term has been applied by those describing what they see as a gender ambiguity. Some references use the term transgender broadly, in such a way that it includes genderqueer.

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[–]ishii 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Imagine if this kid is using 'genderfluid' as a stepping stone on their way to coming out as trans? Like many gay people do with bisexuality? And their father has just told them to fuck off? I don't think that's particularly healthy.

[–]johnymykopump-kin 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gender fluid during hot summer, Gender solid during the cold winter.

[–]MrdankeSelfless heroin 38ポイント39ポイント  (34子コメント)

I actually feel bad for her. Coming out as anything isn't easy, even if it's modern made-up bullshit.

[–]babycoliveTrans-Atlantic[S] 81ポイント82ポイント  (24子コメント)

I feel like she's just an attention-whore and it wasn't hard at all.

[–]ClintHammerWashington Reds-Kin 85ポイント86ポイント  (16子コメント)

Yeah, specifically because her dad had clearly been hearing made up tumblr talk for weeks at the dinner table.

No one has that reaction to tumblr talk the first time they hear it

[–]HipsterhollocaustNormal gendered 42ポイント43ポイント  (14子コメント)

Definitely. The first time I heard tumblr talk I was like " what the Fuck us that? That's not a thing is it?" This dad probably reached his limit on made up non-sense.

[–]Wings0fIcarus 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was out to lunch with my mom yesterday and was explaining to her how these "special snowflakes" think and she literally couldn't believe how stupid these people can be lol

[–]OctopictogramSquid-kin 23ポイント24ポイント  (4子コメント)

"Dad, I think I'm a dragonkin"

[–]Drawlestia 30ポイント31ポイント  (2子コメント)

"... just eat your damn vegetables Billy."

[–]MrMoustachioI am Lorde-kin. ya/ya/ya 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Dragons don't eat veggies! You'll never understand me!

[–]stormbringer89 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What about fire-roasted vegetables? That seems dragonkin-ish...?

[–]praisecarcinomaHumankin, pronouns: pizza/highfives/bro 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

I get that it's not easy to open up about psychological issues that you're internalizing and suffering from, but let's not mistake opening up about them as anything close to what it's like for gay and trans people to come out about their sexualities. That's probably what your dad is trying to tell you.

[–]Jubguy3Kin-kin kin you do the kin kin 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Gender fluid is a thing though, I have a friend who is and he/she describes it as not really feeling any particular polarity towards one gender that changes from time to time. Yes, it is a thing (and yes I agree shit like heliogender and foxkin, etc are just attention grabs) and no matter what you are your family should always be accepting.

[–]AbbathOcculta 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dick move, dad. You just say yes, give him/her (I suppose it depends on how the fluid is flowing? at the moment) a hug and then wait a week. Google a bunch of research and lay it on them then.

At least then you can't say you didn't pay attention or look into it.

[–]Gunslinger_11 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

The dad gets it.

[–]Mister_Kurtz 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gender fluid? Dammit son, I asked you to get brake fluid.

[–]logically 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd like to meet that dad.