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[–]ponyass 2500ポイント2501ポイント  (220子コメント)

Men can be raped to, Jake couldn't consent, Josie should be charged with rape as well.

[–]CallMeZach 1352ポイント1353ポイント  (91子コメント)

They totally raped each other!

[–]Just1morefix 987ポイント988ポイント  (73子コメント)

Mutual rape. It's so illogical it makes perfect sense!

[–]hurtsdonut_ 274ポイント275ポイント  (52子コメント)

A negative times a negative is a positive.

[–]PM_ME_POTATO_PICS 211ポイント212ポイント  (38子コメント)

Exactly! Like when your campfire is getting out of control, light more fires to fight it. Fight fire with fire.

But that's how my town lost the train station.

Still a useful trick most of the time.

[–]MasterHooman 76ポイント77ポイント  (18子コメント)

Rape the rapist. A classic win win situation.

[–]Lobstrositiesbitme [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Michael: Okay so Kevin makes sexually suggestive remark at Angela. My solution is that Angela is now allowed to make sexually suggestive remarks at Kevin.

Kevin: I accept.

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    [–]petrichorE6 11ポイント12ポイント  (13子コメント)

    So your town lost a train station and you decide to burn some more so that the others don't catch fire? Ingenious!

    [–]PM_ME_POTATO_PICS 16ポイント17ポイント  (9子コメント)

    I'm from a really small town. We only have two police officers, which also act as the fire department. They're not very bright, and I think they did it as some sick joke (the train station was barely used anyway), but maybe they interpreted the saying too literally.

    [–]Ol_jackburton_says 20ポイント21ポイント  (4子コメント)

    It's back burning. It pretty much is a controlled fire to remove fuel and stop a wildfire spreading. Here in Australia a lot of back burning is done in summer and sometimes they get out of hand and start bushfires themselves.

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      [–]BertBoopedErnie 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      so that the others don't catch fire?

      They've been warned. Do not cross the fire.

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          [–]silencegold 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Pass me some drinks! Let's have a positive night!

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            [–]CountryBoy06260 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

            If it's a legitimate rape your body had ways of sobering up.

            [–]Corrupt_Reverend [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

            pretty sure that's just called regrettable sex.

            [–]redleader [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

            Self annihilation

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              [–]tehfly 30ポイント31ポイント  (8子コメント)

              I'm expecting the first rape vs rape case any day now.

              [–]hurtsdonut_ 21ポイント22ポイント  (6子コメント)

              So do they both get assigned a prosecutor and both hire a defense attorney? I'm confused how this would work.

              [–]tehfly 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I'm thinking there might be an opening for a new kind of divorce lawyers.

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                  [–]somedude456 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  Do two rapes make a right?

                  [–]Virginiemangin 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  thats horrible

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                    [–]linesreadlines 325ポイント326ポイント  (66子コメント)

                    No silly, men can't get raped! Its a hilarious concept.

                    Its literally impossible for a woman to abuse men

                    Also all men are constantly eye raping every woman

                    [–]SecondHarleqwin 40ポイント41ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    Seen the first, hadn't seen the second. Fucking hell, that was rough. Really interesting to watch though.

                    [–]my_initials_are_ooo 86ポイント87ポイント  (33子コメント)

                    It's like all the guys are just standing around to jump in if he ever retaliates.

                    [–]Traiklin [スコア非表示]  (22子コメント)

                    Cause it's a girl and girls don't know how to fight, plus if they step in and save the day they get to have sex with them.

                    [–]DuhTrutho [スコア非表示]  (19子コメント)

                    Wait... isn't that generalizing that all men who defend women also only want women for sex? That argument seems counter-intuitive when discussing how genders are discriminated against.

                    [–]Nachteule [スコア非表示]  (17子コメント)

                    Not really. A big part of society still deeply believes that woman are weak and inferior and need to be protected by strong males. In short, woman are like beautiful and expensive pets like horses. You care for them, you love them, but you know they would be lost without your help and when they don't obey, you "need" to hit them so they continue to be submissive and docile. With such a basic mindset (often subconscious) the daily discrimination of woman in subtle and offensive ways is easily explained. That's why men getting raped is such a foreign concept for many people. If you deeply believe that woman are weak and easy to discipline, how can they really ever be in command? For people with that mindset even physical strong woman with good jobs and much money are still inferior to any weak male and can never be rapists.

                    [–]slink6 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                    Not to skew the point, because I think there is a huge problem with how we look at power structure, but

                    when they don't obey, you "need" to hit them so they continue to be submissive and docile

                    If those men who stood up for the woman actually believe that, they sure aren't showing it by telling the guy off.

                    I don't see the problem as being that they stepped in to defend the woman, it's that those same people (women included) wouldn't have, and didn't step in for the man as well.

                    The fact that a person was being abused on the street and no one thought enough about their fellow human to stop it, or even try to calm it. That I think is the biggest problem.

                    [–]iBeenie [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                    More feminists seriously need to come to this understanding. As a woman and a non-feminist (I consider myself a humanist) it is quite unsettling to me to see how many women seem to think that men somehow have it "better" than us, and are still fighting against "inequalities" that they find everywhere. So many women conveniently ignore the inequalities that men face everyday- only men can commit rape, only women are fit to raise children, only men should go to war, etc.

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                        [–]shortexistence [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                        White knights IRL

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                          [–]eveisdesigner [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

                          The problem is that her "abuse" could be seen as almost playful at a distance, while as soon as he pretends to fight back she dives to the ground like she's helpless all of a sudden. I feel like most people would question whether it was real before they wondered if they should intervene.

                          [–]the_ravenous_red [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

                          her "abuse" could be seen as almost playful at a distance

                          This is not an excuse. This is part of the problem.

                          [–]Craptacularama [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          Not necessarily. I think what the previous poster meant was that this was acted with a slight bias. She didn't look like she was actually hurting him because he wasn't reacting as if he was hurt. She however looked actually hurt from his response.

                          An open hand slap is different than throwing someone to the ground with force.

                          The point is important though, but if they wanted to be really effective, she should've been "hurting" him. The only thing she did that even looked like she could've hurt him was pull his hair.

                          Granted, embarrassing someone in public is still abuse, but the point of their exercise was "violent" abuse, not psychological abuse.

                          Either way, the point is a good one, and hopefully people learn from it.

                          [–]Anggul [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          I don't think they were citing it as an excuse, but rather an explaination for why people would fail to understand.

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                            [–]VulGerrity [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                            yeah...but I think that's part of the point. Her abuse isn't playful, it doesn't matter how playful it seems to be. It's violence, it is abuse. Although he might be more physically damaging to her, she's equally emotionally damaging the man. As they said, violence is violence. Abuse is abuse. It doesn't matter how big the bruises are. You can abuse someone without even lifting a finger.

                            EDIT: That's not to say I don't get what you mean. I would be curious to see this experiment done where the physical forces, and reactions to those forces were equal. See if people responded any differently. If the woman threw the man to the ground and he appeared helpless, would people react the same way? I kinda don't think so...I think people would see the helplessness as the man understanding that he did something wrong. He's accepting his penance, cause he should know better. Cause he's a man, he can take it. Quite a double standard huh?

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                              [–]Feduppanda 65ポイント66ポイント  (5子コメント)

                              Holy shit, that was some tough material to watch. That first video was intense, not sure if that guy was an actor or actually talking about himself.

                              That second video was some of the worst acting I've ever seen but still completely achieved its message. No one lifted a finger even when the girl had been hurting the guy for an extended period of time. Guy stands up for himself and instantly there are 20 guys that want to damn near murder him. A double standard that is not soon to go away, sad. (Not condoning physical violence, just an observation)

                              [–]CountryBoy06260 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                              Worst part is she will claim victim.... a woman can punch and kick and scratch and smack a man repeatedly and the second man pushes her away everyone attacks him. Cops will side with her etc....

                              That second video seriously made me sick. I want to kick that black dudes ass so bad. You just saw her beating on him and him trying to walk away. She followed him and kept assaulting him and he finally uses a little force and you freak on him? Bullshit

                              [–]MasterLawlz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              He's an actor but I think he did a good job with it.

                              [–]DuhTrutho [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              Add to this Dave Chappelle's take on Man Rape.

                              [–]SIGRemedy 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              That first clip is insanely powerful.. I hadn't seen it before.

                              [–]GraveChild27 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              dude ive seen this clip before. it's really good.

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                                [–]Ignoremeimhappy 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                countersuit material for sure

                                [–]Ponsari [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                                Actually, neither of them were raped. Both of them could consent, even if alcohol may influence their decision.

                                Can we please stop making the world a fucking minefield for us single people? Please and thank you.

                                [–]EmperorXenu [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                Except that it actually makes perfect sense from a legal perspective. You cannot legally consent to anything while drunk. Any contracts you enter into while under the influence can be nullified if you can prove that you were drunk when entering into them.

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                                  [–]bikeboy7890 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                                  Except in many jurisdictions, you have to be penetrated to be raped.

                                  [–]RossMacdonald 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Samesies rape! Double jail time! And they can get raped more in jail. What a canundrum.

                                  [–]Jizztruction 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Your honor, we both agreed to rape each other.

                                  [–]Astronerd955 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                  Women has sex while drunk: RAPE

                                  Men has sex while drunk: RAPIST

                                  Welcome to feminism.

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                                    [–]Cakemiddleton 1310ポイント1311ポイント  (77子コメント)

                                    So according to this ad men can still think clearly enough to be charged with a crime when drunk but women are plainly too stupid to know better

                                    [–]Epithemus 462ポイント463ポイント  (41子コメント)

                                    Clearly this means women can't be charged for crimes while drunk. They're not responsible for that behavior.

                                    [–]TheGreyGuardian [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

                                    Clearly this means women should not be legally allowed to drink alcohol because their inferior brains can't handle it.

                                    [–]Sooper_trooker [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

                                    Yes the drinking age for woman should be raised to 45.

                                    [–]ThisVersionOfMyself [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

                                    I would say 60. Have you ever seen a ladies night out for 40 and 50 year olds?

                                    They're worse than 20 year olds.

                                    [–]Cornwall [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                                    Me: Hmm, I've never actually seen a middle aged ladies night out...

                                    Thinks about it

                                    Me: Nope, that can stay the fuck away from me, thanks.

                                    [–]ThisVersionOfMyself [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                    Early to mid 40s. Sometimes late 30s is a womans highest sex drive. If none of them have been laid in a while, its like a group of 18 year old boys. After the 3rd bottle of wine, they're a mess.

                                    [–]SillyOperator [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                    As a bartender, it's fucking terrible. Think women who are already filled with regret, so they really don't give a fuck about what happens. It's like having an already established porn star go on Girls Gone Wild. Oh and since they don't get out much, they're going to cram an entire year's worth of drinking into one night.

                                    Tl; dnr More regret, less shame, no tips. Good for single guys though.

                                    Edit: word

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                                            [–]DungeonDepartment [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

                                            Inherently, this sets a precedent that states that women cannot act in accordance with their conscious self when in an altered state of thinking.

                                            This means that a woman is understood to be of lower mental capacity than a man would be, and has objective limitations that would justify treating them as second-class citizens.

                                            This is, of course, running under the assumption that thus sign is real, and I refuse to believe anyone is THAT stupid.

                                            [–]jubbergun [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                            This is, of course, running under the assumption that thus sign is real, and I refuse to believe anyone is THAT stupid.

                                            Ah, the enviable, hopeful ignorance of youth. As you grow older, not only will you find that many people can be that special kind of stupid, but when you're not paying close that you yourself can be, too.

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                                              [–]THE_CENTURION [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                                              Yup. Women drives drunk and kills a person?

                                              No way she should be held accountable, I mean she was drunk! If she was sober, she never would have driven the car while impaired.

                                              Woman starts a fight and puts someone in the hospital?

                                              Well she was drunk! She can't be charged with assault! That's ridiculous, she wasn't of sound mind, you can't hold her to what she did, if she were sober she would have never hit that person.

                                              Oh she said "yes" to sex after drinking?

                                              Noooooooo that doesn't count. She would never have had sex with that man if she were sober. That man's a rapist! Lock him up! No, you don't need any evidence, just do it!

                                              [–]redinator [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                                              They ought to stay at home really, it's for their own good.

                                              [–]captaintaco2345 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                              According to Tumblr, women are perfect magical beings who eat rainbows andpoop butterflies, and men are the embodiment of everything evil with a satanic tentacle specifically for rape and oppression.

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                                                [–]Traiklin [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

                                                Ok here's my plan, I'm going to gather up 5 women, get them "Intoxicated" (remember one drink is considered intoxicated) and then take them to rob a bank.

                                                After they steal all the money we can split it up and live happy lives, since they were "Intoxicated" they can't be tried for the robbery! it's fool proof.

                                                [–]TheJewsisLoose 32ポイント33ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                whats funny is this IS the reasoning

                                                [–]gorilla_head [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

                                                "female on male attacks are categorized as "made to penetrate" (unless penetration of a male occurs using an object or other means) and are not included in official rape statistics, but are assessed separately under sexual violence."

                                                [–]notadog__AMA [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                                                I heard (on like CSI or SUV, so totally solid info) that rape means putting something in another persons orifice without consent, so if that is the definition, men can still definitely be raped but being made to penetrate would indeed count as a separate thing. Which I think can be problematic, and in my opinion being made to penetrate should be seen in the same way.

                                                [–]gorilla_head [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                "Rape is a type of sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual penetration perpetrated against a person without that person's consent. The act may be carried out by physical force, coercion, abuse of authority or against a person who is incapable of valid consent, such as one who is unconscious, incapacitated, or below the legal age of consent."

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                                                    [–]Hey-its-that-asshole 495ポイント496ポイント  (28子コメント)

                                                    He can't consent either. They're both wrong.

                                                    But it's his fault, because he wears blue shirts.

                                                    [–]halienjordan 70ポイント71ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                    No popped collar. Clearly he is the victim.

                                                    [–]Tall_dark_and_lying 46ポイント47ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                                    Neither of them were wrong.
                                                    It's not like someone else takes control of your brain when you are drunk. If you drunkenly decide to sleep with someone it's not rape just because "I would never have done that sober".

                                                    [–]AML86 [スコア非表示]  (19子コメント)

                                                    I don't want to condone rape, and knowingly taking advantage of an intoxicated person seems like exactly that to me. Unfortunately the intoxication subject has not been discussed and legislated objectively or consistently.

                                                    When you are drunk, you can't consent to sex because you aren't in control. It's not your fault.

                                                    When you are drunk, you can consent to driving because it was your choice. It is your fault.

                                                    You both are, and are not, bound to the consequences of your actions while drunk, depending on the situation. That's madness.

                                                    Unless we're going to try prohibition again, we need a more solid ruling on consequences while intoxicated.

                                                    [–]Akolyte01 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                                                    It's your choice to intoxicate your self. What you do while intoxicated should be your responsibility, up to a point.

                                                    That point is incoherence.

                                                    It takes a pretty extreme level of drunk to become incoherent enough that you cannot make decisions.

                                                    [–]geekygirl23 [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

                                                    The problem is determining where to draw the line. I have been black out drunk once in my life, thankfully around friends. I can safely say that I was not in control of anything I was doing during that time. Learned my lesson, don't get black out drunk like that anymore.

                                                    Just being buzzed / drunk though. Let them fuck.

                                                    [–]4x49ers [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                                                    I'm not sure I buy the argument or logic that because you can't remember something you weren't in control at the time. Unless you reverted to base animal instincts or raping and killing anything you see, you clearly had some thought process left above being a machine made of meat and alcohol, and even then getting drunk is a decision in and of itself, and certainly people should be held accountable for that decision.

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                                                      [–]Randomwoegeek [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                      Better make drunk driving legal then. Because I'm not in control of my actions it's not my fault. Not like it's my fault for getting piss drunk or something.

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                                                            [–]WickedIsGood 213ポイント214ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                            Most unrealistic part is how Jake was charged the next day. Our justice system is slow as fuck.

                                                            [–]the_good_dr 45ポイント46ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                            Fuck this due process nonsense.

                                                            [–]SalamanderUponYou [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                            Maybe he's a serial rapist and he was being charged with rape in a completely unrelated case.

                                                            [–]Flafff [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                            Jake will probably be expelled from school next day tho, way before any kind of process

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                                                              [–]projectbluue 428ポイント429ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                              Setting back womens rights about 50 years.

                                                              [–]DungeonDepartment 22ポイント23ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                              "Where did you get that fryin' pan!?"

                                                              [–]jdepps113 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                              You know what? It's fine, as long as women are totally cool with giving up their other rights, too. Women, you want to have men be responsible for everything in situations like this, then how about if we men get all the property and voting rights? Clearly if you can't take responsibility for deciding to have sex, you can't be responsible for other important things, either.

                                                              ...Or maybe it's time for everyone to just accept that equality means you can't just always blame the man when you decide it's convenient.

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                                                                [–]CreedDidNothingWrong 737ポイント738ポイント  (75子コメント)

                                                                So that's how it's gonna be, eh, ladies? Fine. We'll just start fucking each other. Supreme Court says it's legal. Let's get weird fellas.

                                                                [–]ballzacsRock 153ポイント154ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                Back to the pile

                                                                [–]catdeuce 362ポイント363ポイント  (26子コメント)

                                                                http://i.imgur.com/fe4NUDb.gif

                                                                [–]Ihateants 58ポイント59ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                I want to support you but I hate your name. Creed did a LOT wrong.

                                                                [–]koy5 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                Just wait till the fuck robots come.

                                                                [–]Justinruin 31ポイント32ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                Back in the pile!!

                                                                [–]linesreadlines 56ポイント57ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                muh rape culture!

                                                                [–]Turn_Coat 84ポイント85ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                I just raped her through my computer screen, can confirm.

                                                                [–]undbitr956 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                                i don't understand.... are we supposed to walk with our eyes closed or what?

                                                                [–]djn808 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                I don't think you can classify that as that...

                                                                creepy leering, sure, but...

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                                                                  [–]Haphios 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  Time to get yucky with the boys.

                                                                  [–]MissMister [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                  Hey, don't lump us ladies in with that. I had nothing to do with this bullshit.

                                                                  I actually find it incredibly condescending, like I need some kind of special protection and that I'm too stupid to make a decision.

                                                                  Although I'm not 100% sure this ad is real.

                                                                  [–]LostSoul1797 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  Alright guys, back in the pile!

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                                                                    [–]NinjaKlaus 117ポイント118ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                    The blurry part says Coastal Carolina University, I cannot find any mentions of this poster actually being real though. It's possible they took a lot of flak for it and pulled it though, or I just can't google.

                                                                    This is clearly a two way street, I think if I were the Jake, I'd issue a request for charges against her as well.

                                                                    [–]TJPope 75ポイント76ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                    I attended CCU years ago and can confirm seeing the poster and laughing at the insane logic behind it. I don't remember if it was a short lived ad program or not though.

                                                                    [–]Deto [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                                                                    The poster seems to almost intentionally emphasize the absurdity. I wonder if the graphics designer assigned to the job arranged it that way on purpose?

                                                                    [–]mjstc [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                                    As a graphic designer, I can confirm we have the power to emphasise absurdity. Almost looks like a weird rom-com film poster.

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                                                                      [–]hichiro16 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                      This is what they taught us at Oregon as well.

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                                                                        [–]splurgeon 124ポイント125ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                                        What's the organization that put this ad out? It's in the bottom right but too blurry to tell what it says.

                                                                        [–]WhuddaWhat 48ポイント49ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                        Did they get you with date rape drugs? Those bastards!

                                                                        [–]NinjaKlaus 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        The blurry part says Coastal Carolina University.

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                                                                          [–]BreakfastJunkie 84ポイント85ポイント  (35子コメント)

                                                                          I got married when I was 19. My ex-wife/now on going 8 years girlfriend is two years older than me. We got drunk and had sex when I was underage.

                                                                          Did I rape her or did she rape me?

                                                                          [–]PaulAttacks 26ポイント27ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                                          Is your girlfriend your ex wife?

                                                                          [–]BreakfastJunkie 36ポイント37ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                          Yup. Got married in 04. Divorced in 06. Got back together in late 2008 and get along better than ever since then. The time apart did us both good as painful as it was.

                                                                          [–]PaulAttacks [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

                                                                          Man, that's something. Glad you could make it work.

                                                                          [–]BreakfastJunkie [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

                                                                          Thanks. It always requires tweaking though. Talking is always better than yelling or bottling it up.

                                                                          Not trying to be preachy.

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                                                                            [–]skabbo [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

                                                                            Did I rape her or did she rape me?

                                                                            Since you were underaged she sexually assaulted you, remember, forced enveloping isn't considered rape by the FBI definition.

                                                                            If you were older then you would have raped her. Theres no law stating this of course, thats just how the court deals with cases like that.

                                                                            [–]DragonMeme [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                            Most states have laws in place making it legal to have sex with a minor if you're within three years of age.

                                                                            [–]Crookyn 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                            Was anything placed in your rectum?

                                                                            [–]kimmjongfun 29ポイント30ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                            only the full blown struggles of life.

                                                                            [–]BreakfastJunkie 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                            That's pretty much it, minus the butt stuff.

                                                                            [–]Naughtyburrito 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            its never too late for the butt stuff

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                                                                              [–]vickipaperclips 44ポイント45ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                              So does this mean that as a woman, I'm no longer accountable for anything I do once I'm drunk? Because there are definitely some illegal things I wanted to try. Also, DUI's? I guess those don't exist either then, since we're on the "blame it on the alcohol" train here.

                                                                              [–]give_me_a_user_name 27ポイント28ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                              Actually there was a court case where both parties were drunk, later on the woman said it was rape because she couldn't give consent. The end decision was that they couldn't give consent to each other so the rape charge was thrown out.

                                                                              [–]unclemilton1 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                                                                              This would probably be the case in a real trial. On the other hand the rape charge would probably be upheld if it was in a university court.

                                                                              [–]sperglord_manchild 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                              source?

                                                                              [–]give_me_a_user_name [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                              I've actually been looking for it for a bit. I heard it during some sexual assault prevention and response training that I went to.

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                                                                                [–]joestorm4 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                                                This pisses me off.

                                                                                That is all.

                                                                                [–]SIGRemedy 68ポイント69ポイント  (27子コメント)

                                                                                It actually has more to do with who can and who cannot be charged with rape. According to the FBI, who recently brought their rules for rape cases in line with the majority of states... "The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim." Link

                                                                                So the issue isn't so much SJW or anything, but that the actual legal definition of rape is define as the act of penetrating someone. Obviously, if both the male and female in a sexual act are too drunk to consent, only one of them is even equipped to rape the other.

                                                                                Whether that is fair or not is another story, but that's the law behind it.

                                                                                [–]RUST_LIFE [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

                                                                                So lets get this straight. If you're male and are going to have drunken sex, you have to insist she fingers you 'for legal reasons'

                                                                                Brb off to tell my wife its the law

                                                                                [–]hahahahastayingalive 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                From the same article:

                                                                                The revised definition includes any gender of victim or perpetrator, and includes instances in which the victim is incapable of giving consent because of temporary or permanent mental or physical incapacity, including due to the influence of drugs or alcohol or because of age. charging and prosecution on the local level.

                                                                                [–]Rhamni [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                The difference being, under this retarded definition, a woman needs to use an object (or at least her hands) to penetrate the guy, because nothing she can do to his penis will qualify as rape.

                                                                                The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread.

                                                                                The law, in its majestic equality, forbids women as well as men from penetrating their partner without consent.

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                                                                                  [–]connstar97 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                  By this definition he could be anally raped by the woman or object, but clearly the definition needs to change as there is grey area left over that leaves men vulnerable to sexual abuse

                                                                                  [–]disturbd 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  Unless she puts a finger in your butt.

                                                                                  [–]bZuZu 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  I don't know about you, but as a female with a sex box, I do have the equipment.

                                                                                  It's just not biological. :')

                                                                                  [–]getdivorced [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Completely thought sex box was a reference to your whisker biscuit. Not an actual box with sexy time stuff in it.

                                                                                  I had a sex box once upon a time...but the girlfriend took that in the "settlement".

                                                                                  [–]spiritbx [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                                                                                  Then the law is wrong and needs to change. It's based on antiquated definitions that were made in a time when a woman raping a man was seen as absurd, we now know it isn't.

                                                                                  Heck this needs to change simply because Jake could be forced to rape Josie. If Josie didn't drink a lot, but let Jake drink more, then convinced Jake to come to her house, where she proceeded to tie him up or let him pass out, give him Viagra and force his penis in her, then by the definition of the law, Josie forced Jake to rape her, which doesn't even make sense.

                                                                                  And the SJW are probably not even aware of the wording of the law, they would consider it rape is they only had like 3-4 drinks.

                                                                                  [–]dragonfangxl [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  So hand jobs only and no pleasure for the girl, just to be safe. Sounds firm but fair

                                                                                  [–]ghost_warlock 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Women don't have fingers?

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                                                                                    [–]Corey307 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                                                                                    Logic says neither could consent making it double-rape.

                                                                                    [–]GuyAboveIsStupid 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                    What happens if two gay dudes get drunk and have sex? Are they both charged with rape?

                                                                                    /r/ShowerThoughts

                                                                                    [–]Geebz23 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    If Josie decided to drive home though she magically consented to drinking and driving however.

                                                                                    [–]Mobre [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                                                    Let's be rational here.

                                                                                    Consent is giving permission. You can still give permission when drunk, that is a fact.

                                                                                    What is this weird doublespeak? If the law states (it doesn't) that even with consent, two drunk individuals cannot have sex, that is one thing. But saying it's not consent is purely illogical.

                                                                                    [–]ManPlan78[S] 189ポイント190ポイント  (114子コメント)

                                                                                    Source: http://imgur.com/CSE2n8A

                                                                                    Source has more criticism on the pic.

                                                                                    [–]FrankAbagnaleSr 144ポイント145ポイント  (112子コメント)

                                                                                    Don't equate this with feminism. This isn't feminism; just ignorance.

                                                                                    [–]blackishdog 140ポイント141ポイント  (41子コメント)

                                                                                    It's not just ignorance, it's the law as well.

                                                                                    [–]bakedpotato486 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                                                    But it's modern feminism fighting for this, making it law. Just because you have this idea of what feminism is, it doesn't discount the actions of politically active activists calling themselves feminists.

                                                                                    [–]BrookieDragon 22ポイント23ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                                                    This is SJW'ism. And sadly, they claim they are feminism and giving it this stereotype of hyper-bullshit.

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                                                                                        [–]whiteperuvian101 78ポイント79ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                        Soooooo girls can't consent when drunk, but guys can? Something seems a little off here.

                                                                                        [–]iamriot 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                        If that's the case then a man cannot tell he is raping if he is drunk.

                                                                                        [–]tossaway4856 24ポイント25ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                        Well, either they both raped or neither of them did.

                                                                                        As long as we're going to lump stupid actions stupid teens and 20-somethings do in with a category of crime that historically we doled out death penalties for- something you do when drunk is miles away from what rape actually is- that's just how it needs to be.

                                                                                        At best they both need community service and they both need something like AA since they obviously can't drink responsibly. Drinking yourself past the point where you're in control of yourself carries consequences. Maybe nothing happens, maybe you wake up with poop on your head, maybe you wake up next to someone you totally didn't want to sleep with.

                                                                                        But we don't get to have this conversation- suggesting that a woman take any agency in her life is apparently victim blaming if something bad happens to her.

                                                                                        [–]LittleClitoris 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                        If they would have both done the right thing and smoked pot, Jake and Josie could have consented together.

                                                                                        [–]mcorah [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        This would pretty much sum up the rape education freshmen get at my school.

                                                                                        [–]mrgrinandbare [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                                                        Plot twist, Jake was 12.

                                                                                        [–]chocoboskullkid [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

                                                                                        Im female and Ive begged for sex when drunk and fully appreciated it the next day wtf is this bulllshit

                                                                                        [–]Negative-1 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

                                                                                        Pretty soon some women will be complaining that men cross the street or run the other way to avoid them.

                                                                                        This is already happening with men trying keeping as far away from children as possible.

                                                                                        And these women will ask themselves "Why? What's wrong with these men?".

                                                                                        In a culture where every man is guilty until proven innocent of being an abuser/pedophile/rapist/predator, they will have no choice but to protect themselves from potential accusers.

                                                                                        The future will be a lonely place.

                                                                                        [–]mitchelo 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                        we should see this on /r/WTF ...

                                                                                        [–]Pway 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        The old equality without the equality.

                                                                                        [–]ButtsexEurope 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        Wouldn't that mean they were raping each other?

                                                                                        [–]umbassa 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        I wonder if "Jake" knew that there would be posters put up that said he was a rapist when he signed up for this. Maybe that is why he hides his face with the drink.

                                                                                        [–]Susan_Werner 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                        So if she doesn't know what she is doing and cant give consent to sex because she is drunk and the guy is charged with rape, does that mean that the guy does know what he is doing even though he is also drunk? Women are incapable of making decisions when they are drunk but men aren't?

                                                                                        [–]greycatjack 39ポイント40ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                                        Can't we all just agree that this sucks and whoever made it needs to be fired, instead of acting like women as a whole got together and made this poster?

                                                                                        [–]FireAnus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        Dude, it's not the poster. People are pissed because this is the way it is.

                                                                                        [–]AWW_BALLS [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        This is actual feminist idealogy, of which 24% of people in the US belong to

                                                                                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duluth_model

                                                                                        [–]hichiro16 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        We could if this wasn't ACTUALLY university policy at many state schools, which it is.

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                                                                                          [–]Arching-Overhead 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          NA Law. Both of you are drunk but one of you is charged with rape.

                                                                                          [–]iDirtyDianaX [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          There's a difference between a little drunk and slurring/stumbling/passed out. This is bullshit. In this case, why is HE able to consent, then? He's drinking, too. Bad PSA.

                                                                                          [–]Sooper_trooker [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          That's like saying woman are children and require constant adult supervision.

                                                                                          Stuff like that is going backwards from what the Woman's movement accomplished.

                                                                                          [–]philphotos83 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          So basically, if I'm reading this PSA correctly, women are stupid and men are predators? How can a woman not be able to make clear decisions when she's drunk, but a man can?

                                                                                          [–]binks21 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                                                          but if Jake could not give his consent, would Josie be charged with rape the following day?

                                                                                          [–]ranchdepressing [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          I'm a feminist and hell yes this is bullshit. Men can get raped. Consent is a two way street.

                                                                                          [–]vegidio [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          And people still ask why we need men's rights.

                                                                                          [–]your_fathers_beard 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          She used his penis to rape herself.

                                                                                          [–]Mamitroid3 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                          What was all that talk about equality?

                                                                                          [–]havocbean 24ポイント25ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                                          I understand this is shitty in terms of equality, but man, Jake just looks like a rapist.

                                                                                          [–]Aeric_storm 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                          Jake from state farm?

                                                                                          [–]xWhackoJacko 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          Absolutely fucking insane.

                                                                                          [–]Jump_and_Drop[🍰] 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                          Yep, some of these laws are retarded. I go to college in North Dakota and we once had a cop give a lecture about sexual abuse type stuff. He said something about you can't consent if you're both intoxicated and someone called him out about and he said it works both ways, but it really doesn't. He also said you have to give verbal consent every-time.

                                                                                          [–]Unfiltered_Soul 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                          good luck remembering if you gave consent or not while intoxicated. I guess it all falls down to whoever file first.

                                                                                          [–]JavaMoose 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                          Drunk people looking to sex should have to wear body cameras. It's the only way to be sure everyone isn't raping each other.

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