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SOCJUS[socjus] SJWs now want to ban art. A Monet exhibition of Japanese-inspired art at an MFA gallery is "racist cultural appropriation." One commenter writes: "Just toss out the Monet. Burn it, shred it, whatever. Problem solved." (self.KotakuInAction)

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You can argue that "Cultural appropriation" is a real thing, with white people dressing up in Mexican and Native American garb to make fun of their cultures or whatever. It's basically saying "your culture is a joke to me."

But wearing a Japanese kimono in the act of cultural exchange is not cultural appropriation. Tumblr SJWs have blurred the lines between sharing and appropriation, arguing that eating Japanese sushi is cultural appropriation.

Anyway, there's an art exhibition of Monet's work in Japonism, which is like an ironic tongue-in-cheek critique of Western fetishization of Japanese culture. SJWs in their vast inability to grasp irony have deemed it problematic and racist and culturally appropriative and are campaigning for the shut down of the gallery.

https://archive.is/l64pA

How long before SJWs decide that video games and games in general are cultural appropriation because of "Orientalist" designs in say, Jade Empire, or the land of Kara-Tur in Dungeons & Dragons' Forgotten Realms setting? Do we burn those games and game books because they offend an SJW that takes offense on behalf of other people?

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[–]AndreFromThePast 242ポイント243ポイント  (79子コメント)

we basically evolved as a society thanks to cultural appropriation.. We got our numbers from ancient arabs, we got the concept of 0 from indians, our alphabet from ancient greeks, even traditions are often just a copy of previous trad. taken from other cultures.. Xmas? Sol Invictus rip-off... these people are retarded.

[–]ThePseudomancer 185ポイント186ポイント  (31子コメント)

Before it was called cultural appropriation, it was called cultural exchange and people tended to be quite flattered by the interest of others for their culture and customs. The people who disliked it tended to be xenophobes who felt people of other races would sully their traditions.

If you really think about it, SJWs are much like xenophobes in their concern for keeping racial identity separate and distinct (or rather kept pure of racial corruption).

[–]FuiseogCobalt 39ポイント40ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not that hard to understand. 'Cultural appropriation' by or between non-whites is not something they concern themselves with. It is just an expression of disdain with white people. What is the point exactly in protesting a Monet painting in 2015? To get a dead man to stop making paintings? No, it is to induce guilt and shame in modern whites for no other purpose than to do it. These groups are simply designed around that premise, whether they admit or understand it or not, that is the only reason they are successful. Such groups are not successful in Japan, though they do exist protesting the tiny number of immigrants they take and the lack of apologies for the atrocities of WWII, because the equivalent of 'white guilt' does not exist there.

If western whites of younger generations sometimes feel barraged with disdain that is never really accompanied with concrete demands to appease the protesters, it's because they are. They are willing to do something to make the guilt go away, but there is nothing they are doing that is making these people angry, it is them existing that makes them angry. That is why they are now onto protesting showing Monet paintings in the name of tolerance.

[–]kaliyo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think you hit the nail on the head. They don't like white people either out of resentment, or out of white guilt and so they attack a white artist that died a century ago.

[–]thekindlyman555 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

When I was in elementary school, once a year we had a "cultural exchange" day and it was one of the most fun days of the year. Parents of children of various cultures would volunteer to come in, make some of their traditional cultural food, dress up in their traditional clothes (if they had any) and give little talks to us about their cultures and what made them unique and interesting.

SJWs would want to kill this type of amazing learning experience for young children.

[–]NightOfTheLivingHam 62ポイント63ポイント  (19子コメント)

As far as I'm concerned, SJW's are far right conservatives trying to be liberal as a "fuck you" to mommy and daddy who are very conservative, yet cannot shake xenophobia, racism, and a fear of sex. They project their own insecurities on the rest of us and tell society that it's sick and they are the cure. When in reality they're the ones suffering from issues.

[–]BoiseNTheHood 45ポイント46ポイント  (11子コメント)

SJW's are far right conservatives

Nope. Sorry, liberals, but when you judge the right wing by the idiot Bible-thumpers (who are declining in influence), you have to own the fact that the SJWs are on your side.

[–]JodoKaast 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

They're not really liberal at all, and they're definitely not on our side.

[–]BoiseNTheHood 23ポイント24ポイント  (6子コメント)

The Bible-thumpers and neocons aren't really conservative, either. Yet they identify as right wing and the SJWs identify as left wing.

[–]HiddenHeraldreddit hipster 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

It's a language thing mostly. SJWs are lefties, but they are not liberals. Maybe progressive is a better term.

[–]indigoanasazi 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I can lump both of them in the same category.

Utopians.

People who have a single-minded view of a perfect world, and everything that isn't perfect is a vile affront that must be destroyed.

[–]JodoKaast 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Utopians.

I might add "Authoritarian Utopians", since their preferred method of achieving Utopia seems to be through authority and outright control of behavior and even thoughts.

[–]hasapoint 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Statists. Extremist moral conservatives and SJW/progressives are statists. They want total control of every thought and action.

[–]HiddenHeraldreddit hipster 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No they are not statists. A large percentage of them don't like the state, but want to enforce their values through social pressure

[–]Xyluz85 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Other way around. They are liberals, but not leftists. Leftists dont engage in that kind of raceism.

[–]Xyluz85 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nope, sorry conservatives, they live your values, like abstinence, caution of media, and security before freedom (socially). Just because they stole some leftist talkingpoints don't make them leftists.

[–]SaltyChimp -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not sure how you can call them liberals. They are left of the political spectrum but not liberals.

[–]ikacer 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Liberal has multiple meanings now. In the original meaning (now called classical liberalism), it stood for liberty. These days classical liberals tend to be right on the political spectrum such as, in politics, Republican candidate Rand Paul, and in media, Fox News host John Stossel.

The more common meaning of liberal in America now refers to social liberalism, which stands for equality. This type of liberal is left on the political spectrum, and you will hear many on the left talk about income inequality, gender inequality, etc.. Social justice is the the process of addressing social inequality.

So, yes, SJWs are liberals.

[–]greenhatreporterman 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

SJW's are far right conservatives

You cannot possibly be serious.

[–]Asaoirc 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

Think he's trying to draw parallels between what is called the 'far right' (authoritarian right) and the sjws (who are authoritarian left.)

[–]BlackBison 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

Look up "Horseshoe Theory", and it'll make a lot more sense.

[–]thekindlyman555 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's difficult to deny the parallels between hardcore religious ideology/puritanism and far left SJW antics. Although I wouldn't go so far as to say that SJWs are actually secret conservatives or conservatives in denial.

[–]Xyluz85 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is nothing secretive about these people being right wing. Look closley what they want, and you have no choice to see them in any other way as right-wing.

[–]poiumty -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

far right conservatives trying to be liberal

Fixed the context for you.

[–]ThePseudomancer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We know antiheroes are those that do good things despite bad or self-serving intentions.

SJWs are in some sense anti-villains. They do and say sometimes terrible things despite thinking they are doing the world a favor.

[–]dothraki_horde 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I actually called it social evolution. You see new ideas from a culture that is not your own and you leave the things you don't like while taking the good. This seems like a way to have the strongest culture possible.

[–]pingas-9000 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've seen posts from SJ's about how it's racist to be in an interracial relationship.

[–]spunkush 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

After watching Louis Theroux's documentaries with thr KKK and Nazis I noticed that the racists he lived with seemed fine with colored people and Jews as long as they kept to themselves. They essentially felt that each race and culture should keep to itself and not mix and share each other's culture and values. So the Sjws kinda want the same outcome, where the races are distinct cultures with no overlap.

[–]Owyn_Merrilin 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

You might even say that they're disturbingly preoccupied with racial purity.

[–]NeonMan 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cultural Purity.

....rings a bell.

[–]merrickx 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you really think about it, SJWs are much like xenophobes in their concern for keeping racial identity separate and distinct (or rather kept pure of racial corruption).

They aren't though. They rarely care when these things happen between many races, ethnicities, cultures etc. They're especially livid if it's white people doing a thing. They're more racist than they are generally xenophobic.

[–]saltlets 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

SJWs act exactly like far-right extremists, only for other groups. It gets them the righteous indignation of racism, along with the superiority of being an enlightened part of the vilified Other, above everyone else around them.

They're nazis by proxy.

[–]murderbits 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

America only exists as it does, because it has thrived on cultural appropriation. More commonly known as the "melting pot". People from all walks of life make their way to America and assimilate into the melting pot of endless cultures that have brought elements of their own to mix with the elements of every other culture in the country.

It must be very embarrassing to have such an inept understanding of society and biology that cultural appropriation is interpreted as something terrible (short of obliterating another culture at the end of a sword and taking their culture for your own, of course).

[–]paohascancerfireher 37ポイント38ポイント  (28子コメント)

Besides, most of Japanese culture was appropriated from China.

[–]AndreFromThePast 24ポイント25ポイント  (11子コメント)

and no one complains when they take the european tradition of Grim Reaper and turn it into the figure of shinigami, making dozens of manga about it (wich is absolutely fine cause i loved both Death Note and Bleach)

[–]GeltonZ 25ポイント26ポイント  (7子コメント)

THEN you get into really wacky stuff like Ninjas. If I recall, ninjas were not well liked in Japan many eons ago as they were dishonerable and a disrace. Then the West found out about ninjas and spun it into something utterly NUTS and suddenly Japan LOVES ninjas and they've become a source of pop culture pride.

Also speaking of Cultural Appropriation? Japan sure does love Baseball...like...waaay more than America.

Or how about manga like Eyeshield 21 which is about American Football or the modern concept of Cheerleaders? Which brings me to the best piece of Cultural Appropriation ever:

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120716232342/p__/protagonist/images/7/76/RivalSchoolsTiffany.png

Dear Japan, please appropriate our culture more often. Alternately:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Genl242_ZU8

This game was never released in America. We probably weren't American enough to handle it.

...come to think of it, isn't anime itself a form of Cultural Appropriation as it was inspired by and based on the work of Walt Disney early on? What about videogames? Those were invented in the states. Wow, the longer you ride the Cultural Appropriation Train the more absurd it gets!

EDIT: Oh! Want a REALLY weird one? The Far East of Eden series which is a Japanese parody of Western interpretations of Japanese culture. That's a double cultural appropriation!

http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/tengai/tengai.htm

[–]CyberDagger 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

This game was never released in America. We probably weren't American enough to handle it.

Didn't even need to click the link to know what game you were talking about.

I'd like to know what the guys at From Software were smoking when they made that game. And I want to get some of it.

[–]pingas-9000 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Metal Wolf confirmed secret boss in Dark Souls 3

[–]CyberDagger 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Heh. That would be quite a sight.

Though, on a bit of a tangent here, it wouldn't surprise me to see a Nineball-inspired boss in a Dark Souls game.

[–]GeltonZ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They were smoking REAL AMERICA!!!!!!

[–]Mantergeistmann(◕‿◕✿) 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

So where does G Gundam come in?

[–]seanthestone 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

POTUS... Gear?!

[–]OPPRESSIVE_SHITLORD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The entire Magical Girl genre basically was launched by the Bewitched dub.

[–]RobbieGee 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

+1 to that. Also, it's just a few weeks since Witcher 3 was "problematic" because it didn't have any non-white people in it.

There is no pleasing SJWs!

[–]AndreFromThePast 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

yet they didn't care no asian were present in game...

[–]Mantergeistmann(◕‿◕✿) 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah, but remember, taking European traditions isn't cultural appropriation, it's European Imperialism, because those poor PoCs had no choice but to emulate the dominant culture that was forced upon them.

[–]LanceLiege 7ポイント8ポイント  (14子コメント)

But you'll get catch the japanese to admit that.

[–]SupremeReader 18ポイント19ポイント  (12子コメント)

Japan only relucantly admits the Ainu natives of Japan are actually an ethnic group. (Btw, they were white.)

There's also a great hate between them and Koreans, despite being basically the same. And don't even get me started on Okinawa. (I'm still a rabid weeb, tho.)

[–]DerMef 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

The Ainu are descendant from the same ancestors as the Yamato Japanese, but instead of influences from Korea and China, the Ainu's ancestors, who lived on Hokkaido, were subject to influences from Siberia.

If you want to call native Siberians "white" then I guess the Ainu would be half-white but that's quite a stretch.

[–]SupremeReader -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ainu are related to the Basques linguistically, used to have fair hair etc.

[–]PlatinumMinatour 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, they are not. That was some crackpot's theory. The most recent DNA evidence shows the Ainu are most related to the Yamato/Mainland-Japanese and the Ryukyu (the two other native populations of the Japanese archipeligo).

Source: The history of human populations in the Japanese Archipelago inferred from genome-wide SNP data with a special reference to the Ainu and the Ryukyuan populations.

[–]Philarete 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wait, how? Basque is so far away.

[–]DerMef 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good joke.

[–]tBanzai 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can confirm the Korean-Japanese thing, at least on the topic of language. Both are practically identical grammatically. You could replace all the -masu in Japanese with -nida in Korean, and vice-versa, and you're practically a tenth of the way there to translating between the two languages.

The main thing is that Japan still uses Kanji for some reason and has an extra set of characters for the same sounds while Korean uses the same writing system for everything.

[–]PalypsoFlairly there 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

What about Okinawa? I know there were nativ non japanese people there but I never heard about any hate.

[–]SupremeReader 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

History of colonialist genocide, including in living memory.

George Feifer, an American authority on Okinawa’s holocaust, writes: “Members of the (Imperial Japanese) 32nd Army robbed food, refuge and life from tens of thousands of Okinawans, chiefly women and children, they had come to protect. A small but significant number bayoneted and beheaded innocents, poisoning, choking, drowning and injecting babies to silence them, tossing hand grenades into caves whose civilian occupants had decided to surrender.” To this day, no-one knows for sure how many people died on Okinawa.

Yoshio Takara, now 65, has more reason than most Okinawans to loathe the ”foreign” flags – he is an amateur war historian, a native Okinawan who was dragooned into the Blood and Iron Corps during the battle. “We were brainwashed under the Emperor system,” he says bitterly. “When they called for volunteers for the Kirokomi brigade (a suicide squad in which schoolchildren were trained to run into American positions clutching a hand grenade, then pull the pin out) all the boys wanted to be in it. Like the cherry blossoms, they wanted to fall young and be remembered at the Yasakuni Shrine.” Takara was also a witness to other atrocities by the Japanese soldiers, who tortured and executed civilians for such “crimes” as being in possession of a surrender leaflet or even speaking Okinawan dialect. He saw civilians driven out of caves to die on the killing fields of Okinawa, and he saw soldiers give families grenades and order them to commit suicide. “This was like the Gulf War, except that was over in one day and on Okinawa it lasted for 90. Like Saddam Hussein, the emperor called it a holy war. Like Saddam Hussein he lost. Like Saddam Hussein, he caused enormous loss of civilian life.”

If any further proof is needed, talk to someone like Shoichi Chibana, who jumped into the headlines five years ago when he tore down the Hinomaru flag being flown at a softball tournament, and set fire to it. Chibana was not even born during the battle – he is 45 – and he runs a small supermarket near the town of Yomitan, where the first wave of Marines landed. What raised his anger with the emperor was the discovery only 10 years ago of a secret that the residents of the town had kept since the war. In another natural limestone cave, the women and children of the town – the men had all been drafted or killed – were herded as the Americans advanced, told that the Akaoni (red-faced devils) would rape and torture them, and that they should take the honourable way out. Mothers and daughters, says Chibana, combed each other’s hair for the last time. Then the women slit the throats of their children with knives and razors. Then most of them killed themselves the same way or by dousing themselves with petrol and burning to death. Eighty-four people died in this cave, just one of hundreds of enforced mass suicide shrines to be found all over Okinawa.

[–]WouldYouBanAGayGuy 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not sure if this is where SupremeReader was heading but here's a video by Sargon talking about how the US came to occupy Okinawa and how the locals today just want the US to leave.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HZdVDTN_2Q

[–]SupremeReader 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm rather talking about

The last time Akihito was here – as Crown Prince – students hid in a cave in the grounds of the Peace Park and hurled a petrol bomb at him. They said they were protesting at the “emperor system” and the carnage it had wrought on Okinawa. This time the Government is preparing to use force to ensure his safety. All leave has been cancelled for the 1,500 local police, and a detachment of riot police has been flown in from the mainland. Even in Tokyo, the entire police force – 26,000 men – is on full alert. Left-wing groups have vowed to disrupt the visit, and the Ryukyu independence movement has called a major rally, and denounced the Emperor’s father as “Hirohitler” in its publications.

[–]LanceLiege 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I know about the koreans-japanese thing. Now that I think about it, those are the two cultures vying for western attention.

[–]JodoKaast 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Uh, pretty sure every Japanese person knows that kanji came from China.

[–]YetAnotherCommenter 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Kanji certainly was, but I don't know about "most" of it... The food is very different (and far less diverse since "Chinese" actually includes multiple different cuisines), and both cultures have pretty much the opposite emphasis in aesthetic tradition (Chinese being very into elaborateness and ostentation whilst the Japanese are very into minimalism, restraint and artistic efficiency).

I mean sure, both cultures have a familial, collectivistic and hierarchical bent but so did the ancient West and we still find that kind of attitude in the West very frequently even these days (to varying degrees).

Maybe I'm missing something or overemphasizing certain things but to me, Japanese and Chinese are very distinct.

[–]cantbebothered67835 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

It goes way farther back than that. What hipsters mean when they use the phrase cultural "appropriation" is simply that people copy things from other people, and imitate them, which is pretty much one of the most natural things people do and the primary source of technological and social development. If people didn't "appropriate" ideas then we'd still be freezing our asses off in fucking caves. It's literally the most basic manifestation of our intelligence.

[–]AndreFromThePast 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

we even learn how to talk in that way..

[–]WouldYouBanAGayGuy 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://youtu.be/1WFpJTMUp2s?t=1m58s

Just listen to that baby "appropriating" the word dad/daddy. How dare it "appropriate" our language. It should be publicly shamed and there should be protests to make sure other babies can't "appropriate" our language like this baby did. I know, I'll start People Against Babies Appropriating Language or PABAL. That'll show those babies whose boss. /s

[–]Akesgeroth 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

SJWs demand multiculturalism but attack you if you adopt anything from another culture.

[–]Philarete 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's funny, but over the years I've noticed multiculturalism really declining in popularity. The problem was that studying other cultures usually leads to copying. Instead of feeling guilty, white people end up adopting the culture they observe!

[–]tekende 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

SJW multiculturalism= eradication of western culture.

[–]Lowbacca1977 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

believe the numbers are Indian as well, but credit went to the Arabs because they were the middleman.

[–]Ultach 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

Xmas? Sol Invictus rip-off

//Engage pedantry

That idea isn't really taken seriously in academia anymore. The recognition of the Cult of Sol Invictus was decreed by Emperor Aurelian in 274 AD, and the earliest date we have for the Dies Natalis Solis Invicti taking place on the 25th of December is 354 AD. As far as we know, early Christians had been celebrating the Birth of Jesus on the 25th of December before that, since the early 3rd century, on the basis that since Jesus was conceived on the 25th of March, he must have been born 9 months later. Plus, there isn't really any reason they'd want to be associated with the Cult of Sol Invictus. Early Church figures like St. Augustine considered it unfortunate that the two festivals happened on the same date, but it was always recognised as a coincidence.

[–]Berym 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

//Engage counter-pedantry

This is a perspective under much debate.

[–]AndreFromThePast 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sol Invictus

Actually it's taken really seriously, at least here in Italy where ancient roman history is quite important, the dies natali sol invictii is thought to be cleberated since III century BC, and it's thought to be originated in Egypt, but the fact dies NATALI sol invictii and NATALE (that's how we spell xmas in our language) is the most accepted theory. The Church obviously disputes this theory, mostly claiming it's a mitralic tradition, wich is a straw-man cause evidenced points out the cult originated before the spread of mitralic cult.

[–]AndreFromThePast 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

consider also that the fact Aureliano made the cult official in 274, doesnt mean it wasn't celebrated also before, after all christianism spread in ancient Rome much before being made the official religion.

[–]Bhazor 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Imagine German's getting offended at people wearing lederhosen. That's the level this is.

[–]DikFistinHotPockets 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Human culture doesn't exist without cultural appropriation. Culture doesn't exist within a vacuum. Culture isn't some alien entity carried in on a meteor that crash lands amongst a group of people and "'BOOM! CULTURE!"

Culture is quite literally people borrowing and trading ideas, concepts, customs and things with another and over time all of that stuff coalesces to form something of a particular set that is particular to a group of people.

There is no such thing as cultural "purity," cultures are all inherently mutts. and they are constantly in flux. "Take a little from these people, throw out these things from the past, oh that looks nice, let's take that."

You can't "protect" culture by trying to keep a pure homogenized form of it. That's not how it works. That's some thoroughly anti-human behavior. You might as well appeal against a hurricane, or attempt to stop people from having sex.

If things are awesome, people are going to take them. Hollywood movies are amazing. Other cultures are going to steal them, appropriate the shit out of them, and start making their own. The same thing with pizza, hamburgers, and french fries. You can't say, "that's mine," because it didn't ever belong to you in the first place.

You can certainly be a racist asshole and make a mockery out of another group's culture, but a white guy being inspired by Japanese art and making a few paintings infusing his own particular spin on it is in no way, shape or form, wrong. In the same way Japanese animators looked at western cartoons, were inspired by them, and then used them in conjunction with existing Japanese art and animation to create anime. Anime has gone one to heavily influence a lot of western animation, in a feedback loop that keeps moving in circles as artists from various cultures borrow, share, and are influenced by one another.

In my personal experience the people who I hear harping on about cultures remaining pure, cultural appropriation, cultural segregation are bigots, plain and simple.

One thing that I think also needs to be pointed out because it's, I think, primarily an American thing...

If you are a Japanese-American, you are not Japanese. You are a Japanese-American. If you are an Irish-American, you are not Irish. You are an Irish-American. Sure, you share a few similarities in culture, and like I've pointed out, culture is a Whovian, big ball of wibbly wobbly, culturey wulturey stuff, but you're American. You might be a specific subset of American, but you're American. That's "your" culture.

Some 5th generation Japanese-American kid born in Toledo, Ohio, who doesn't speak Japanese, who has never been to Japan, has absolutely no right to claim "ownership" over Japanese culture, let alone police Japanese culture for others. You're an American, dude. A Japanese-American, but an American nonetheless. Even if you spoke Japanese, and have traveled to Japan, still an American.

This generally seems to be a difficult concept for Americans to grasp.

[–]IAmSnort 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Protest at the Math department!

[–]FuzzBuket 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

As a brit id like to say all you americans appropriated the colonies and we would like them back

[–]AndreFromThePast 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually i'm italian, i thought my english was bad enough for people to tell it's not my 1st (neither 2nd) language :D

[–]merrickx 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's not even what cultural appropriation is, historically.

Cultural appropriation describes the assimilation of new culture by preexisting culture. It referred to the culture of the imperialistic, colonizing etc. party being appropriated by the existing people and culture- the adoption of culture belonging to the predominant, more expansive culture, by the subordinate one, was seen as a bad thing because it caused the disappearance of culture- a phasing out.

Now, larger, more expansive societies celebrate the cultures of many. Cultural appropriation described the disintegration of existing, subordinate, or "client" cultures, but now it describes the preservation of it because SJWs are quite bigoted.

[–]zhengyingli 59ポイント60ポイント  (4子コメント)

Interestingly, neither of the two protesters had Japanese surnames.

[–]Urishima 34ポイント35ポイント  (0子コメント)

Two entire protesters? Wow, what a crowd...

[–]MyLittleFedora 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hey, second-generation half-Japanese Americans and Canadians are the real victims of cultural-appropriation, Shitlord! /s

[–]Inspiderface 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Goddamn those half Japanese girls, they do it to me every time.

[–]GlutinousRice 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

And they don't seems to realise that the kimono is a cultural appropriation of the Chinese Hanfu.

[–]columbine 51ポイント52ポイント  (3子コメント)

The best part is that nobody who is actually a Japanese person living in Japan cares about this. At worst they'd think it was funny, but more likely they'd enjoy others taking part and learning about Japan. It's nothing more than a bunch of American whiners getting upset on the behalf of people who actually aren't upset at all.

[–]LamaofTrauma 34ポイント35ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hold on, commenter has you covered!

Sorry, Mr. West. Unfortunately, you don’t get to speak on behalf of Japanese people and say how you think they might react like. In fact, it doesn’t even matter how they might react.

Yup. It doesn't matter if they think it's offensive, because this guy is here to get offended on their behalf. After all, them foreigners aren't educated or well spoken enough to know to be offended, right?

[–]red_brick 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

And that's straight from the mouth of one XU ZEMING, the international spokesperson for all of Japan.

(Which is odd, because that doesn't sound like a Japanese name...)

[–]BioShock_Trigger 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Total lack of self awareness.

[–]ozkah 70ポイント71ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ive wrote this before and ill say it again because people have to realize how dangerously idiotic and mind melting these people are who protest against something like this.
The issue of Appropriation is just another way of dividing people. It's binary. It ignores the whole fact that our cultures are all born out of inventions and ideas, bought and borrowed and past around a million times, Forever changing hands and evolving. Holding historic credit to influences in culture as a form of interest and willing respect to its origins? Cool. I personally find that fascinating and of great importance to future generations.Telling a white guy he can't play the blues or a kid she can't have dreadlocks because she doesn't have the right skin for it? I can't imagine the sort of static world these people imagine themselves living in, where everything from their own point in time will from now on have the same predetermined appropriate place until the end of history.

Culture is not your possession, and it is never the same for very long. The only thing that humans have always had in common are each other. Its absolutely amazing how little conscience people have for it, but it really does sit on the back burner on both ends of the political horseshoe.

[–]Earl_of_sandwiches 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

This perspective, while fascinating, is ignorant - and probably willfully so, for fear of stating the obvious. You never see SJWs applying these rules or standards to non-whites. Ever. The only people who aren't allowed to share or partake in outside cultures are white people. Everyone else is invited to share or take or conquer to their hearts' desire. The double standard reveals the truth: the SJW concept of cultural appropriation is just another platform to service their hatred whites.

[–]LAs_Ethics_Policy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's hard to be a discriminatory without differentiating and dividing people, cultures, races and ideas.

[–]BrookieDragon 28ポイント29ポイント  (3子コメント)

I've spent years of my life living in Japan. My wife is Japanese, half of what I say to my daughter is in Japanese, and I even have a few traditional outfits I'll wear on special occasions. Yet I'm a big white guy.

God forbid anyone tries to tell me that I'm just appropriating another culture.

[–]NightOfTheLivingHam 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

sjw's would tell you that your daughter is a bastard mixed race who should be mercy killed because you cursed her with your impure white blood and you should kill yourself. And they would counter you saying they're not racist.

[–]Wolfbeckett 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, not to your FACE, obviously, since you said you're a big guy and these people are cowards. I'm sure they'd happily lambaste you about it over the Internet though!

[–]joeblowyolo 21ポイント22ポイント  (5子コメント)

Relevant commentary from a local: http://japaneseamericaninboston.blogspot.com/2015/07/monets-la-japonaise-kimono-wednesdays.html

and the peanut gallery: https://archive.is/zLy99 with a photo of the sourpuss complainer beaming their light of tolerance on some museum-goers.

The unfortunate detail here seems that Boston's MFA has had a terrific relationship with its Japanese counterparts, and this exhibit was endorsed/supported/made possible with the help of the Japanese Broadcasting Corporation--they commissioned the kimono and loaned it to the MFA for this exhibition for the purposes of cultural outreach.

Two people, who are neither Japanese nor even Japanese-American, decided to defend the honor of the Japanese people and the Japanese Broadcasting Corporation by shitting up the exhibit with their antics.

That whole "Let me speak for you, you poor minority" cartoon is very fitting here.

[–]PalypsoFlairly there 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

That second archive is all fucked up.

[–]Benanov 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wrong content type I think. The "JFIF" means a jpg, but archive.today is pushing it as text.

[–]joeblowyolo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fixed. Second was just a direct link to a photo of the courageous act of defiance.

[–]cogitansiuvenis 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can these fuckers even smile? Why is it that 95% of the pictures I see of SJWs are them either doing their best frownie cat face or have an obnoxious smirk.

[–]Aoilithe 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They are not happy. They see fun and happiness as bad things that must be destroyed.

[–]md1957 41ポイント42ポイント  (8子コメント)

Given their tendencies, I wouldn't be surprised if these sods wind up calling for "pure, ideologically correct" art.

[–]Urishima 21ポイント22ポイント  (7子コメント)

I was wondering where Hitler went after WW2...

[–]AngryArmour 16ポイント17ポイント  (5子コメント)

Apparently just into hiding, together with his concept of "Entartete Kunst"...

Godwin's law is one thing, but people are actually arguing for bringing back Nazi policies on censorship of art, I think we've passed the point where Godwin's law is a problem.

[–]Bwhitty23 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

No no no man godwins law is the ultimate argument stopper. If someone mentions the Nazis then they lost argument as they had to go to the extreme even if it is applicable to the situation at hand./s

[–]AngryArmour 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because as we all know, there is no difference between "I don't agree with you, therefore you are a nazi" and "Oh, so your idea of "No bad tactics, only bad targets" also apply to the Nazies methods for maintaining societal purity?"

[–]Urishima 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Apparently just into hiding, together with his concept of "Entartete Kunst"...

So Walter Moers was right! He was hiding in the sewers all along!

[–]GeltonZ 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Are you implying we have to worry about a Teenage Mutant Ninja Hitler now?!

[–]Urishima 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Naw, he'll probably just end up having sex with a post sex-change Herbert Goering and get addicted to crack.

[–]niczar 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just try to guess where the Nazis got their idea of "degenerate art" ... It's quite surprising.

[–]ImplantedCorgi 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

Meanwhile, they use their agenda as a form of cultural imperialism:

https://twitter.com/gogreen18/status/615602730036391936

[–]LoretoRomilda 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

Xu ZeMing on July 7, 2015 4:07 pm

Sorry, Mr. West. Unfortunately, you don’t get to speak on behalf of Japanese people and say how you think they might react like.

Xu ZeMing

chinese

speaks on behalf of the Japanese

Hold my sides while I laugh.

[–]PratzStrike 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fucking God Christ Jesus. -BURN- a Monet? Shred it? Do these people have ANY idea what they're talking about and how important the Japonist movement was in introducing, even in fitful starts and stops, the East, which had only been open a few years since the British forced the ports open, to Europe? How many artists the imitation of Japanese art influenced, and how many artists it encouraged to actually look into wood cuttings and silk painting?

Burn it. I'd rather be burnt myself! Silly buggers!

[–]analpumping 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

Man, that art sure is offensive. We should probably start policing these things to make sure such offensive and degenerate art isn't permitted to corrupt us. I'm sure nothing bad could come of that.

[–]IE_5 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can argue that "Cultural appropriation" is a real thing

No, you can't.

[–]LamaofTrauma 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just toss out the Monet. Burn it, shred it, whatever. Problem solved.

Color me surprised, Nazi rhetoric is alive and well. I'm half tempted to go to these guy's facebook page and start bellyaching about this 'degenerate art', and seeing how many support me.

[–]JalorGotShadowbanned 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nazi

Not Nazi, Maoist. There's no central board of SJWs deciding what kind of art is acceptable - it's a whole bunch of different people trying to one-up each other with how progressive they are by going "this formerly beloved thing is bourgeois and must be destroyed."

[–]Stockholm-Syndrom 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why is no one concerned about the appropriation of French culture? Clearly Monet paintings shouldn't leave Europe.

[–]Plesiot 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Totally ! give us back our French fries ! and since Christine de Pizan was the first (french) woman to denounce Misoginy in her book "Epître au dieu d'amour",you should give us back feminism as well !

[–]AngryArmour 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Every single non-French feminist is culturally appropriating the French, and have to cease and desist immediately or be denounced as bigots, racists and xenophobes.

[–]boommicfucker 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shit, I hope none of them have the "courage" to throw paint or acid on those originals. Iconoclasts (the literal kind) and similar people really piss me off. How dare you deface or destroy something that has endured for so long as proof of a culture's past?

[–]Doc-ock-rokc 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

... Oh dear It seems that i bursted a blood vestel in my eye. I am certian that will hurt when I finally calm down enough to get angry.

Do these idiots know what they are talking about. Do they really wish to get the full fury of artiests on them? Don't they know why bards where feared as much as soldiers. For a soldier will simply kill you. A bard will make you immortal.

One of the fastest ways to piss off artiests is to attack the masters. Even other artiests tread carefuly when talking about it as even if you hate some of the old masters' work you have to respect their skill. Monet is the very FATHER of impressionism...and is thus popular and is concidred a master by many. His orientalist phase injected life into his work it even effected his impressionism work for a little bit.

Now if you excuse me I need pain killers before I start feeling this.

[–]g-divA nice grandson 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

HEY YOU! NO HAVING FUN OR ENJOYING YOURSELF ALLOWED, THAT IS OFFENSIVE TO ME.

[–]Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

What pisses me off is people were taking part in a neat thing, Dressing in Kimonos and viewing good art. They weren't hurting anyone.

[–]g-divA nice grandson 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

They were hurting my feels.

[–]Devidose 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Godwin.

Now with that out the way, wasn't burning art and books literally what the Nazis did with things they didn't like?

[–]descartessss 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is another sjws paradox. Like gender is a social construct but a babe can be born with the wrong sex. In this case society should integrate minorities and mix cultures, but when you do, it's cultural appropriation. You can just stop thinking there is actual logic in what they say.

[–]DeadlyVenomGames 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Everyone, get back into your designated corners and do not change! NOW! Get in there and be different from one another GOD DAMMIT! If you so much as make eye contact with a person from a different group, so fucking help me.

[–]Brooms4Brains 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Cultural appropriation" as a thing to complain about is seriously the dumbest thing ever. Countries like the United States are a melting pot, in which elements from different cultures are assimilated and integrated into the dominant culture. It's the only way a country can host people of vastly different cultures and still form a cohesive unit.

The end goal to "cultural appropriation" crusaders is segregation. Well, it would be if they weren't just whining for victim social status. In either case, it's pretty disgusting.

[–]urection 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

but social justice is totally not an extremist religion becau

[–]TalinSilverbane 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is why SJWs who believe in cultural appropriation scare me, being someone born of two cultures (English and Thai) they seem to be saying my existent is wrong and I should not exist.

[–]AngryArmour 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why wouldn't they? In their eyes you are a filthy half-breed and abomination to their idea thag the races and genders should stay seperate.

For some reason I'm reminded of a couple of struggles fought by two black guys during the 20th century, but since I'm white I don't think I'm allowed to remember their names...

[–]TimetravelerKihot MILF in your area - chat now! no login required! 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wait, it's racist to wear a kimono? I better burn my yukata then, which I received as a gift from my Japanese relatives when they visited Switzerland. Such a shame, it looks so nice.

[–]Macismyname 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of course it's cultural appropriation to include a Japanese based culture in your fantasy setting. The fantasy setting should include only white people you shitlord!

Oh, but if you make a fantasy game like Witcher 3 and accuratly do not include black people because only 3 documented black people were in the country during the entire hundred year period during which Witcher 3 takes place then you are a racist cunt and deserve to burn.

SJWs just want to complain. They will literally never be happy with anything.

[–]Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

They have been pushing for censorship of art they don't like. It's just too bad anything they want to replace it with is just propaganda that pushed their PC ideology.

[–]DwarfGate 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is Social Justice. "I don't like it, therefore not one soul on the planet should ever get to experience it ever and if I don't get my way I'm going to tantrum on the floor like a 5 year old."

[–]RenagadeGam3r 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hey remember when it was ACTUALLY about fixing social standing between different groups i.e Blacks?

[–]DwarfGate 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

No no no, see, People of Color exist to be looked upon and discussed in SJW approved ways, but never talked to or with, just about. And if any of them disagree with The Holy Narrative they shall be called a disgrace to their race, or Internally Patriarchized.

Think of it as the Social Justice Warrior's Burden. Where would blacks and latinos and middle-easterns be without privileged white SJWs talking about the problems with video games and art and movies on Tumblr? Why, they'd still all be slaves under the evil rule of White People like they were for the past 10,000 years until the invention of Twitter!

[–]Behlon 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy fuck, the comments section

[–]ChuggoBuggo 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm so glad this was posted. I saw it a day or two ago in one of the Japanese forums I frequent. It's got a few thousand members and is generally open only people of Japanese descent or those with Japanese family members (they generally boot anyone that isn't at least married to a Japanese person and they're very intolerant of "Asian fetishization/Japan fanboy" types)

Anyway, I was gonna post this myself, but figured it wasn't GG related enough.

Now, the reason i was gonna post this is because when I saw the article headline, I actually expected the worst. I kind of sighed and was preparing to post a short "guys, aren't we taking this a little too seriously" comment.

To my surprise, it wasn't even necessary. It's currently got 70+ responses and almost every single commenter (not even exaggerating) was pissed at that people were causing a scene. It was amazing. The only real complaint I saw was something about how cheap the kimonos look.

I think my favorite comment was something along the lines of (and I'm paraphrasing), "these people keep talking cultural appropriation then they go out and tell us how we feel? I don't mind anyone wearing traditional Japanese clothes, but what I do find offensive is these people telling me how I feel. Talk about cultural appropriation, what is it called when non-Japanese activists keep telling me what my opinion is?"

Anyway, just wanted to share how it's affected my little corner of the world. I know this is all anecdotal and how we tend to like links and screengrabs here, but it's a side issue and I doubt anybody there wants to be involved in this drama. Not to mention, I saw how they treated the Chinese girl that made the LED skirt, and nobody needs that shit.

[–]Sceye 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

You could argue the only reason japanese culture's so damn popular is because of the world's first weebs like Toulouse-Lautrec. I'd love to see somebody claim the entire impressionist movement is cultural appropriation.

[–]joeblowyolo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let us instead get apoplectic about how a Japanese company built a gaming empire on the backs of two lower-class Italian-American plumbers from Brooklyn whose only crime was trying to solve a kidnapping.

[–]BoxworthNCSU 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm glad they're applying this moron level logic to traditional artwork, because the argument is so much clearer-cut. In gaming, parents join the fight because of the protect-your-kids angle, and that sucks for us. However, nobody's mom has to yell "get out of that goddamn art museum and do your homework" 30 times a week. The argument for censorship in traditional artwork will be futile, and will undermine SJW arguments throughout our culture.

TL;DR: Best of fucking luck.

[–]tempaccountnamething 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't concede the point you concede in your opening paragraph.

First of all, mocking a culture is not cultural appropriation. That's just being racist.

Also, why single out white people in your first paragraph? There are lots of cultures that are racist, so don't just act like only white people do bad stuff...

Finally, cultural appropriation is when members of one culture start to adopt things from another culture. So the idea is that it is apparently bad if members of one culture see something that they like or appreciate in another culture and do it themselves. Eating another culture's food or wearing similar clothes is cultural appropriation... even if you're doing it because you're a fan.

[–]Rygar_the_Beast 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

All societies are influenced by others. Let's stop this silly bullshit of some stealing stuff. Because if we are going to start this then the english speakers need to come up a new word for Restaurant, cause that's french, and the Japanese need to start new religions cause most of their crap comes from the west.

[–]LamaofTrauma 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Japan has their own religion though. Shinto.

[–]YetAnotherCommenter 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Japan also has a large number of Buddhists and a religious syncretism between Buddhism and Shinto is very common; in general, many-to-most religious Japanese blend aspects of the two traditions to at least some degree (at least to what I know).

Also, Japan has a very strictly secular constitution (it was drawn up in the aftermath of WW2 by American lawyers so they imported the idea of a secular state), so it has very liberal (in the classical sense) religious freedom laws. This has meant a very large number of New Religious Movements get founded in or move to Japan.

[–]95wave 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

This will have the same effect as saying other cultures are impure and inferior. I find this hilarious.

[–]PotemK 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Meanwhile, in Monet's home country France, Japan sells MILLIONS of manga in what is the second biggest market in the world for their cultural exports, where they changed the face of the whole industry and. In my local city store (small city sized kmart thingy), there's an equal amount of space dedicated to manga than there is to French comics, some could call that an invasion. Appropriation, when cultural goods are being sold en masse, is APPROPRIATE and LEGITIMATE, the opposite isn't true, Japan doesn't give two shits about our comics, rather they like to insert Japanized cultural signifiers from other cultures in their own stuff, which makes it interesting, but should we somehow keep them accountable for misrepresenting and romanticizing our cultures? No, Celestials should not be held to those standards you see, what do they know, the poor things.

[–]Steampunk_Moustache 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

“vilely racist” and an example of “cultural appropriation at its finest.”

How dare someone like the design of a piece of clothing made elsewhere in the world.

I guess I should stop playing Japanese videogames and watching Japanese manga because that's cultural appropriation too, right? Fuck off.

These idiots must think Epcot is the worst thing in the world.

A demonstration group, Stand Against Yellow-Face

I think you'll find wearing a blonde wig is the polar opposite of yellow-face.

[–]subhorizonKOBS Reject | Happy Camper 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm so triggered!!!!

[–]SupremeReader 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

How long before SJWs decide that video games and games in general are cultural appropriation because of "Orientalist" designs in say, Jade Empire, or the land of Kara-Tur in Dungeons & Dragons' Forgotten Realms setting?

In Tomb Raider reboot you destroy the legendary founder of Japan (Queen Himiko).

[–]Dancingqueen89 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sorry, Mr. West. Unfortunately, you don’t get to speak on behalf of Japanese people and say how you think they might react like. In fact, it doesn’t even matter how they might react. It doesn’t change the fact that what’s going on is an extremely distasteful example of orientalism. An “excellent” way to encourage visitor participation – at the cost of miseducating one group of people and demeaning another. Also, there are big differences in the attitudes of those whose livelihoods depend on the selling or renting of kimonos and those who don’t. People have to eat, man.

Can't tell if real or not.

[–]indite 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

SJWs are the grammatical clerics from Equilibrium

[–]BoiseNTheHood 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

So when will the SJWs stop appropriating the Puritans' culture of prudishness and taking offense to everything? While they're at it, they can also stop appropriating the Victorian era's culture, especially in regards to public shaming.

[–]GutsofMirrah 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

They buckled and cancelled the event. https://news.artnet.com/art-world/museum-of-fine-arts-boston-apologizes-for-kimono-event-315000?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[–]mrtrotskygrad 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess the US Army should go FUCK themselves because the ACU has a "mandarin collar" derived from Chinese clothing amirite?!?!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandarin_collar#/media/File:ACU2004-06-14.jpg

[–]ArjenDesign 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

SJWs will never understand or appreciate what art or culture actually are. It's just another paper thin excuse to bully people to tears and feel morally justified doing it.

[–]oldmanbees 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

So which would be a better term for what these fucking unrepentant scolds want: Cultural Apartheid, or Cultural Balkanization?

[–]acathode 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly, take away the shallow intellectual coat of paint from the concept of "Cultural appropriation" and all you really have is the idea that certain cultures are so dirty and icky that they contaminate and devalue everything they come in contact with. It's basically the cultural equivalent of the ideas of racial purity - it's "don't mix cultures" instead of "don't mix blood".

The only difference is that while racists like KKK view "white" as superior, the SJWs view "white" as inferior.

They dress it up in fancy intellectual terms, but those things are mostly an afterthought, something they constructed in hindsight to try to justify their feeling if dislike for western culture. That's why these people really don't care about the whole concept of "cultural appropriation" being completely fucking retarded and just not making sense - if "cultural appropriation" was a book, you could sail ships through it's plot holes - it's not there to make sense, it's just there to give their feelings of anger and irritation at western culture a thin veneer of intellectualism and academic justification.

[–]nihongojouzudesune2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am Japanese. The kimono replicas were commissioned by Japan's NHK for the purpose of letting foreigners try them on as part of getting them to know Japanese culture. The kimonos is made by Japanese NHK. The idea to use kimono to introduce culture is Japanese, the kimono used is made by Japan NHK. Introduction of Japan culture via kimono is Japanese government "Cool Japan" project. http://www.meti.go.jp/policy/mono_info_service/mono/creative/

Japanese are not offended. Only Americans are complaining to be offended. If they are not japanese and complain about things the japanese do, it is not them who are appropriating Japanese culture?

The people who critic this do not know that Japanese made the kimonos, they say things like this:

White institutions make cheap imitations of a kimono to try on for fun to fuel their foreign fetishes

The "Kimonos" in these pictures are copycats of the original in the picture (which is completely disrespectful to the artist and the original creator of the kimono), and it looks like a cheap fucking quilt made by someone's half blind grandmother.

The non-Japanese insult the kimono made by Japanese, and appropriate Japan culture to use as political tool. They are the real racists. They insult Japanese, say Japanese thoughts does not matter.

The MOD of /r/asianamerican say I personal attack because I say person who appropriate Japanese culture and insult Japanese and Japanese culture is racist. MOD delete response by Japanese who supports Japanese culture and give the proofs, and do not delete the non-Japanese attacks on Japanese culture. This is obvios prejudice.

MOD say I am one person but I am same thoughts as all Japanese who see article. This is proofs of all Japanese people reactions.

https://twitter.com/search?q=%E3%83%9C%E3%82%B9%E3%83%88%E3%83%B3%E7%BE%8E%E8%A1%93%E9%A4%A8&src=typd&vertical=default&f=tweets

http://blog.livedoor.jp/kaigainoomaera/archives/44706843.html

http://hosyusokuhou.jp/archives/44708102.html

http://blog.esuteru.com/archives/8248201.html

http://www.all-nationz.com/archives/1033713937.html

http://nov.2chan.net/35/res/861463.htm

All Japanese peoples support the Boston kimono event, and say this people attacking event is not Japanese and is appropriating Japanese cultures.

To appropriate culture is racism, says people who opposes kimono event. But this people is appropriating Japanese culture. They are the racists. Japanese culture is not their culture. If they attack Japanese culture, they are racists.

KIMONOS IS JAPANESE CULTURES. KIMONOS IS NOT ASIAN AMERICAN CULTURES. ASIAN AMERICAN ATTACKING JAPANESE CULTURES IS RACIST.

[–]JustABaku 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Degenerate" art much?

[–]Millenia0 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who the fuck thinks that culture has to strictly be within a certain country/whatever and not shared? Sharing is fun and makes things more interesting.

[–]panzerkampfwagen 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But I love sushi and would never make fun of it.

[–]r1ob7 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea people tend not to know the meaning of the word inspired.

[–]87612446F7 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can argue that "Cultural appropriation" is a real thing

you can, but that won't make it real.

[–]AspsVeryDangerous 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bsaically, they've totally misunderstood what cultural appropriation is. The Japanese aren't some conquered persecuted race.

[–]smoledman 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

People screaming about "cultural appropriation" have too much time on their hands. They may me unemployed and/or professional activists.

[–]SmokratezTrue Hero - /r/KLA 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How many of the people complaining about this eat pizzas?

[–]Akesgeroth -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is what SJWs consider art.

[–]unimprezzed 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's because they're all assholes.

HIYO! I'll be here all week.

[–]RedStarDawn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This reeks of authoritarianism.

[–]TriangleDimes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can argue that "Cultural appropriation" is a real thing, with white people dressing up in Mexican and Native American garb to make fun of their cultures or whatever. It's basically saying "your culture is a joke to me."

That's not cultural appropriation, that's just mockery. We have words for that. Cultural appropriation is made-up bullshit by white mongrel westerners who have some internalized colonist-shame.

[–]Xanza 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

These people are fucking retarded. Cultural appropriation is how we as ignorant humans get over stereotypes and racism. Nothing says "fuck those guys over there, let's kill them all" like knowing absolutely nothing about them. Cultural appropriation lets me walk a mile in their cultural shoes. Removing it is fucking stupid, elitist, and makes me want to bash these stupid fucks in the face.

[–]DikFistinHotPockets 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Jesus H. Christ....

These people need to be stopped.

[–]TwistedPerson -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

SJWs are the group that are worst for cultural marxism. They're not upset that people are appropriating Japanese culture, they're upset that any culture other than their own is spreading. They want to keep foreign culture as isolated as possible so that it can't stand up to them forcing hyper-left American culture onto the rest of us, like they have been trying.

[–]NGC2467 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

For people so obsessed with the concept of culture, they are incredibly ignorant about what it actually is. Cultures plagiarize from each other constantly. "Cultural appropriation" is the stupidest phrase ever invented.

[–]cakesphere 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm usually a pretty chill person but my god it's been a long time since I've wanted to strangle someone as much as that commenter that said that we should throw out/burn/shred a Monet.

How fucking dare you.

[–]raffastafarian 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The guy who said to burn Monet is literally ISIS.

[–]sosorrynoname 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't get it. Did these people stop taking their meds?

[–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They're just mad jealous of Monet's art skills. We all know that SJW drawings are like Adventure Time rejects.

[–]GroundhogExpert 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How long before SJWs decide that video games and games in general are cultural appropriation because of "Orientalist" designs in say, Jade Empire, or the land of Kara-Tur in Dungeons & Dragons' Forgotten Realms setting? Do we burn those games and game books because they offend an SJW that takes offense on behalf of other people?

... they already have. That's literally why this sub exists. They are set out to destroy gaming and the gaming community, probably because it made them feel left out, then attempts to enter the culture aren't taken seriously without actually having an interest in games, some people weight this interest by actually being good at games, and now it's some ableist(or whatever bullshit term they made up this week) exclusionary club that must be dismantled.

[–]axial_locus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

High minded ideas tend to become perverted by self-righteous idiots.

[–]Aurondarklord 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

These people are actively preaching ignorance and isolationism. And it's all for sheer spite. They want white people to stop creating media, they want the traditional folklore and culture of white civilizations to stop being featured in stories, and they want white people not to participate in anything originating from any other society.

What would be the actual outcome of this? White people having no art, culture, or media we are allowed to participate in, staring longingly over the fence at all the wonderful things "POC" get to enjoy, from which we are excluded, while the SJWs mock "lol white people have no culture"...which is exactly what they want, because it's not really about social JUSTICE, it's just revenge for perceived historical slights.

[–]craschnet 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

These SJW's are pushing a "Separate but Equal" narrative.

[–]JodoKaast 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yay, I get to use my BA in Japanese!

So here's the thing about Japan and "cultural appropriation": They are better at it than any other group in the history of the world, and their entire culture is more or less built on it.

Their writing system is culturally appropriated from the Chinese. But it wasn't enough just to steal the writing system, they changed pronunciations, meanings, and even invented a simpler form of the writing system.

During the Meiji restoration, the government that was formed was essentially copied from Western democracies, with features like separation of powers and quasi-federalist territories answerable to a central government (feudalism had long reigned as the predominate mechanism for government interaction).

They copied a lot from Western armies, and even from Western banking models. But they never simply copied anything, they always added their own Japanese flair and distinction.

And they continue to unabashedly culturally appropriate everything they can get their hands on that has even the slightest amount of appeal to them. "Western hamburger fast food joints? Sure! But make sure you offer buns made from rice at McDonald's!" "Do you know what this English means? No? Well, put it on a shirt!"

Colonel Sanders is practically a celebrity over there (with some weird superstitious beliefs surrounding him), even though Americans don't give a shit about fast food mascots.

Finally, I'll say that from my own time and experiences in Japan, Japanese people LOVE IT when foreigners take an interest in their culture and history. I never got a chance to wear a kimono as fancy as this uchikake, but whenever there was an opportunity to wear any kind of traditional Japanese garb, my Japanese friends and my host family would practically FORCE me to try it out. Some of them knew the history of particular kinds of dress, and would educate me about the different rituals and situations where one might wear different things, others just wanted to laugh at how funny a 6'1" American looked in a yukata.

[–]JodoKaast 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here's a good paper on just how much Japan culturally appropriated during the Meiji restoration:

http://www.lehigh.edu/~rfw1/courses/1999/spring/ir163/Papers/pdf/shs3.pdf

[–]blarg_industries 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

According to the news, the MFA caved and apologized. :( Now the offendatrons will small blood, I'm sure. The lesson, as always, is to never apologize in these cases.

[–]redgoldblue 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

do you know who else tried to ban art he didnt like?

[–]RoboHunter 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And he was a Time Person of the Year. Whats up with some of these Time Person's of the Year and censorship????

[–]katsuya_kaiba 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So they only give a fuck about art when it's THEIR art or art they can force their bullshit on.

[–]boxlord99 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cultural Appropriation is the stupidest fucking part of the SJW "Movement" by a lightyear. Otherkin don't come close. Fat acceptance doesn't come close. Nothing comes close to the snowball of pure, imbecilic horseshit that is Cultural Appropriation.

"Just toss out the Monet. Burn it, shred it, whatever. Problem solved."

This is what this leads to. The most vile, awful people advocating for the destruction of art. I am not going to feel bad comparing you awful, awful, AWFUL FUCKING PEOPLE to ISIS and the Nazis. Godwin's Law, whatever. You deserve to be compared to them. Fuck off.

I am actually fucking upset.

[–]mnemosyne-0000#BotYourShield 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Archive links for this post:

I am Mnemosyne, goddess of memory. I remember so you don't have to.

[–]Xyluz85 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cultual appropriaton == blood and soil. Period. Now added with perverted art. Fuck i hate these people.

[–]indite 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

SJWs are the grammatical clerics from Equilibrium

[–]indite 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

SJWs are the grammatical clerics from Equilibrium

[–]Deathcrow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Typical for SJWs who have a large percentage of weeaboo internet kids. They think they have some special insight into Japanese culture or in fact anything that's Japanese and try to defend their territory.

They believe themselves to be the true western connoisseurs of Japanese heritage, because they watch a lot of anime. It's really sad.

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