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[–]pbnj23 825ポイント826ポイント  (175子コメント)

Here is what happened. I went to The Salty Suite before Bam 7 in Melbourne, Australia the thursday before the tourney. Mango, Chillin, Leffen, S2J, Lucky, Alex19, Hugs,Wife, and all the Australian Smashers. The Place is in a cool bar looking place.Everyone was having fun, people were drinking( I dont drink) and people played smash. There was this girl from the area I met there and she was hanging out with Me and and some others. Afterwards, we went to another Bar called "Abc" just to chill, SD, Skeletom, and about 10-12 others were with us also. Mango,Hugs, and some others met up with us a little later. The Girl that was with us was drinking some Tequila drinks. (She had 4 in total) She wanted more drinks but I said you should probably stop and she did. We then were all walking around the CBD in Australia(The City of Melbourne) looking for more places to go to. We finally found some place and by this time it was about 1-2am in the morning. I think their was about 12-15 of us give or take in the place. We were at that place for about 30 minutes or so until it closed. The trains at this time were closed and I asked Reef(the Australian Smasher I was with) if he could give her a ride to her car. She parked it at a train station about 10-15 minutes away. Reef being cool said yes and he drove her. In the Car it was Reef driving, Nathan in the passenger seat, and the Girl and I in the back seat. Both of our seat belts were on but we were holding hands and kinda cuddled up. We finally get to her car about 10-15 minutes and we part ways. the Girl and I planned to meet up at the Pm tourney they were having the next day. The next day came and I entered Pm doubles and Singles( I took leffen's spot since he didnt show up) The girl never showed up but messaged me and said she was going to come later to watch the top 8. Top 8 was at a different venue, it was at the Bam 7 venue. So I finally get there and play some melee friendlies with Australian's best and even play Spud from New Zealand( That guy is amazing) The Girl finally shows up and I asked her how she was and if she remembered everything from last night since she was Intoxicated a bit. She sad bits and pieces,I said ok and she said she doesnt want to get drunk like that again. After that interaction I sat down to watch Pm Top 8 and started to get tired. So I walked over to the fgc side of the venue and went to sleep on a couch for about 30 minutes or so. Someone woke me up and said they are calling you to the front.So I went to the front and Redact asked me to step outside to talk to me about something.He asked if I remember the Girl from last night. He then said that she said I was being inappropriate in the car ride when I asked what was said he said he didnt want to repeat. He then said that he didnt know what was true or not but that fact is that she told us she doesnt feel comfortable with you here and we made the decision to not let you attend Bam 7 and you will be getting a refund.

I was frustrated because it was words of a Girl(she is 26 btw) that was intoxicated the night before and doesnt even remember all that happened and I was with all those people . I dont take advantage of Drunk Girls and now i had to watch Bam 7 not attend it. I know some might not like me in this thread and yes I had some Issues many years ago in the smash community but all of those were resolved. I dont want to make this a big thing but since this on reddit i'm sure some of you will eat up all this drama.

[–]drstclair 139ポイント140ポイント  (7子コメント)

Easy way to put it to an end: Get accounts from Reef and Nathan. They give their accounts and it's all cleared up.

[–]blacknumbers 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Just setting up the situation where they are able to give their accounts seems tricky. How would they go about that?

EDIT: Why did I get downvoted for asking a question?

[–]thyrfa 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well apparently they just comment here. EZPZ

[–]drstclair 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

It doesn't have to be through reddit. There are many outlets to go about this controversy: Facebook, Smashboards, YouTube, wherever. This is a situation where it has to be handled fairly and thoroughly.

Taking it from a courtroom/journalistic perspective, each account must be taken into perspective. It's not fair to either party if we don't, even with PB&J's prior faults.

[–]blacknumbers -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I never said it had to be through reddit. Where did you get that?

I was thinking of them doing it in person. It doesn't need to be on the internet.

[–]drstclair 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm really not sure. There has to be a way for each person to reasonably give their account. In time, something will be figured out.

[–]xaqshana 389ポイント390ポイント  (17子コメント)

Yeah, This is Reef. Basically what PB has said it true, it was an unwarranted and completely unexpected complaint. But people who were there and had accounts taken didn't know all the details. the claim unfortunately had to be taken seriously or else risk not only Melbourne smash but Couchwarriors as well. It sucks that's what happened though.

I am hoping to get greater influence over the smash community to prevent things like this happening again

[–]AndThatIsWhyIDrink 417ポイント418ポイント  (4子コメント)

What happens between two people outside of your event is, frankly, none of your concern.

You aren't judge and jury guys. You shouldn't be banning people from your event based on hearsay. If someone claims to have been sexually assaulted by someone else (that's what this sounds like) then that is a matter for the police, not you.

At this point this situation is exceptionally dangerous and you're placing yourself in the middle of a scenario that will start a witchhunt for BOTH people. People will side with him and call her a liar, people will side with her and call him a predator. It will get blown out of hand and proportion.

You would never see any business ban someone from using their business on the basis of outside gossip and accusations. That shouldn't happen here.

If a guy accused another guy of being inappropriate with them when drunk would you also be banning them? What about if a guy accused her of being inappropriate in the car and finding it uncomfortable being around her?

Think through how to proceed from here very carefully. Whatever the truth of the matter is you should not have put yourselves at the centre of this. It is a matter for the two individuals involved and is absolutely none of anybody else's business, be it the event, the audience to this as a result of this thread on reddit, or anyone else.

If the Smash community can't see that whatever happened between those two individuals is none of their business and should be handled by police if anything genuinely wrong occurred then they're a bunch of children that just want to ride the drama train.

Not that it's any of my business either. But take it from someone that's seen this rodeo before. Disinvolve yourselves. This is going to get very nasty for both the girl and him rapidly now that it's getting an audience. The TOs need to sort out their position immediately, the more you involve yourself the more likely you end up in the stand in court because you've heard x person say y and z person say x and so on and so forth. It gets ridiculous and it ruins lives.

[–]Koog330 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

From what I understand, Reef was just the one driving the car. Redact was the one who banned PB&J from Bam7

[–]xemnaught 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wish this were voted higher.

[–]F1rstxLas7 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And that is why I don't drink.

[–]NPPraxis 161ポイント162ポイント  (9子コメント)

I'm rather appalled by this. Why didn't the TOs simply immediately speak to the witnesses?

The guy flew overseas for the event, DQ'ing him on hearsay is a major issue. The girl should be banned from future events for false accusations if she made false claims. False claims of sexual harassment should have a zero tolerance policy because it undermines every legitimate victim.

If she made uncertain statements and the TO overreacted, then PBnJ has been rather seriously wronged by him, because flying to Australia for their event was a huge cost.

Further, were it true, it sounds like a police matter rather than something for the TO to punish the attendee on. The alleged events did not happen at the tournament nor was he accused of harassment at the venue.

If this accusation had been levied against Mew2King or Chillin or Wife, I doubt that this would have been how it was treated.

[–]genericrdt 56ポイント57ポイント  (3子コメント)

Nathan here, was there the whole night and in the car, didn't see it hear any funny business at all.

They called me up on the night asking me if anything weird happened in the car without giving me any context, of course I said no. When I asked about it, he said it was nothing and said he'd see me tomorrow

Obviously you have to take harassment claims seriously, and no one can tell her she wasn't uncomfortable, but she seemed fine the whole night, and as far as I can tell PB did nothing to offend her the next day, completely unwarranted outburst that could have been solved by talking to PB himself instead of a TO

[–]Koog330 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

Given you and Reef are both agreeing with PB&J, I find it hard to believe the girl's claims were substantiated. Shame he had to miss Bam because of it.

[–]ktmfinx 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think Redact has provided a statement yet. Only Reef and Nathan.

[–]Koog330 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sorry, meant to say Reef.

[–]im_not_a_pickle_fan -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean really what should have happened here is both people should have immediately left the venue and the police should have been called. This is not a matter to be settled by the TOs or anyone besides police.

[–]Yearbookthrowaway1 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

Damn, just a shitty situation then.

[–]StopSomething 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

wow. going off of one person's account and not having any proof is not a good way to keep your smash scene as a respectable one

[–]NPPraxis 175ポイント176ポイント  (28子コメント)

This should be between pbnj and the TO, not public, sadly, unless the TO is refusing to budge. This whole situation becomes dramatic when revealed in this manner.

I have no idea whether this is true or not, but I really hope /r/theredpill or /r/mensrights don't find out. This post seems tailored to get certain types of redditors enraged.

His word vs mine situations suck.

[–]pbnj23 166ポイント167ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah I feel you I just felt like people deserved to hear my side rather than just staying quiet.

[–]NerdyPoncho 57ポイント58ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just gotta say, hella respect for coming here and giving your side of what happened. Clears it up for people who like to follow rumors. Props man, mad props.

[–]drstclair 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed. It's not fair for you to face this judgement without having a shot to give your side of things. And thank you for your honesty.

[–]canwegoback 42ポイント43ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well PB was called out publicly on smashboards so he had a right to defend himself.

[–]pbnj23 33ポイント34ポイント  (0子コメント)

I didnt even know I was called publicly until this thread

[–]NPPraxis 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed, I'm not lambasting PBnJ for posting it, he was under a ton of pressure to. It's just unfortunate that it has to become a drama point when it should be just handled.

[–]The year is 199X.TheTamrielTerror 22ポイント23ポイント  (21子コメント)

they don't and shouldn't though, especially in this case. She was incredibly intoxicated (enough to not really remember the night), and there are witnesses that were with them the entire time. If they say anything different from pb&j, sure there could be a problem, but if they agree, he deserves a huge apology from Redact and a full refund (maybe even for the wasted trip as well).

[–]pbnj23 70ポイント71ポイント  (1子コメント)

I got a refund already

[–]Koog330 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'd like to hear what Reef and Nathan have to say about it. They were in the car and would be the best people to ask. Redact just knows what the girl told her, and her testimony is unreliable given her state of intoxication on that night.

[–]Schrecklich 22ポイント23ポイント  (16子コメント)

You said you don't drink, so you were totally sober the whole time?

[–]pbnj23 110ポイント111ポイント  (15子コメント)

Yes

[–]shortchangehero 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

You need to get other witnesses from the evening to speak on this, especially the driver of the car.

[–]WHY ARE U READING FLAIRSbunnymeninc 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

/r/dramabros is back bb! just kidding.

It really doesn't sound like you tried anything, and its not you were drunk. I don't know you super well or anything but it doesnt really seem like your kind of thing, especially with all the charity work and donations you do.

Still though I do want to hear both sides before fully passing judgment. You shouldn't be too worried about this blowing up into some big thing, especially since you seem to want it resolved as much as anyone.

[–]sirtophat 78ポイント79ポイント  (26子コメント)

Lesson: In today's gender atmosphere, if an untrusted or unfamiliar girl has drank anything, don't even make eye contact with her, don't get within 10 feet, record yourself walking away with a timestamp and videodocument the rest of your day until next morning

[–]Taj_Ramos 54ポイント55ポイント  (12子コメント)

And if you're a girl and do get sexually assaulted, hope people don't assume you're the liar in reaction to the gender atmosphere.

[–]thyrfa 25ポイント26ポイント  (9子コメント)

Well there's the problem with evidence. If there was a crime committed, but no evidence, I'm sorry but nothing will happen. That's just how it works, it can suck, but the other way around sucks even more.

[–]HyliaSymphonic 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

What's the other way around?

[–]thyrfa 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Innocent until proven guilty -> guilty until proven innocent

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    [–]Crimefridge 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

    It's a semantic argument nobody wants to have because it illegitimizes rape/assault. Frankly, I also think people come in and try to play down the reputational damage false accusations with that retort as well, which doesn't help gender issues by putting people down.

    Both are bad. Which is worse? Whichever is more permanent I guess.

    [–]tha yung corgibillpika 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    There's no point in comparing them. Either way, everyone loses.

    [–]Cheeznuklz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I agree they're different and its dumb to compare. This whole thread frustrates me. Someone says something vague on a stream, reddit has to dig and pry and speculate. Guy involved is forced to come forward with his story because people will spout rumors and bullshit if he doesn't. After they hear the story reddit mouths off about how accusing someone of something without evidence and tarnishing their reputation is literally the worse thing ever. It's a case study in hypocrisy.

    [–]Zakaru99 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Generally, yes. Being wrongly accused of sexual assault and being determined guilty without evidence causes innocent people to literally be locked up in jail for large portions of their life.

    Being sexually assaulted is a terrible thing and will result in emotional scarring, but at least you're still free and not locked up in a cell.

    There is a reason the justice system works on an innocent until proven guilty assumption.

    [–]Shatterwolf 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If the latter happened and the person could not provide enough evidence to prove it happened, then yes. You cannot set a precedent in the legal system and even in society that someone be convicted simply on hearsay.

    It's the difference between type 1 and 2 errors.

    [–]45flight2 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    i can't fathom why it would matter

    [–]watereol 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If shit like this keeps happening, can you really blame people?

    [–]Zoler 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What? There is no belief or not when it comes to law. Theres evidence.

    [–]Great-NessKarlRAWR -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Don't forget to take several pictures with the most current newspaper.

    [–]Mexicanfood_and_feet 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Not surprised this drama was started over nerds getting pissy and defensive about girls they dont know

    [–]iwillfindpeace 17ポイント18ポイント  (8子コメント)

    As a GA melee player for many years (and former swf enthusiast), I heard about all the shady stuff years ago. I think people can grow up and change, and none of that should have anything to do with this situation.

    In general, smash players are hyper sensitive about a lot of things. Treatment and respect for women is one of them, which is ironic because most smash players dont see women as what they are, aka just people. PArt of the reason that I dont play anymore, tbh.

    IDK, dont expect anyone to believe you... sucks but its life within smash community.

    [–]disgraced_salaryman 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Agreed. I'm all for good treatment of women in the community, but a lot of guys pedestalize them and give them waaaay too much attention, even if it's positive attention.

    [–]sleeepyk 12ポイント13ポイント  (6子コメント)

    he's largely the same person on the inside tho. confirmed every time i talk to him.

    [–]M_19_B 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I agree with this. Last time he was in Dallas, he did some pretty greasy shit too. Randomly texting girls way younger than him asking for nudes, etc. This was mid-late 2014 too, so all the claims of him changing for the better just kinda reek of bullshit to me.

    [–]iwillfindpeace 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I dont doubt that he may be the same person on the inside, but you can learn how to act or not to act without changing your nature... e.g a disciplined child vs a wild child, who have essentially the same desires and needs but one understands consequences of actions and the other doesnt.

    I just dont see the point judging peoples hypothetical actions based on their past character and past actions... there are too many dots to connect to say something meaningful, and im just not comfortable living in that space of saying things that are disconnected from events.

    Also people in this community are more needy than the average person in my experience, so any discussion that comes from this kind of drama is gonna be off the mark.

    but people love this kinda stuff... sooo yea.

    [–]sleeepyk 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

    that's a fair statement, but i actively see him partake in the same greeze regularly - just not to the people who know better. if you're jumping ship to a different person after the first person gets tired of it, that's not really indicative of a change of behavior.

    [–]iwillfindpeace 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Yea I believe you.... Idk yo, this stuff is just weird for me. I want to believe that everyone is gonna grow up at some point, but for some people maybe it never happens. Who knows.

    [–]sleeepyk 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I sure hope so too. I hope i have grounds to make amends one day.

    [–]45flight2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    you keep coming back to this thread across many hours now to keep vaguely shitting on him without explaining yourself

    [–]Pinuzzo 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    So you say there was just hand holding and cuddling. Does she say there was anything more than that?

    [–]FZeroRacer 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Define 'cuddling' in this case, since even Reef's response didn't really say what you did.

    And in either case cuddling with someone whose drunk off their ass is definitely pretty weird.

    [–]RandomRedditReader 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Holding hands and resting head on shoulders, hand on lap? That kind of thing pretty much covers it. After a night out drinking people tend to get handsy so it happens, especially if a girl is drunk, 90% of the time they just want to lay on someone, hell i've passed out some dudes shoulder in a car ride before (i'll never get that wasted again).

    Unfortunately it's impossible to know the truth here and his passengers apparently didn't see anything. Nothing should've been done in my opinion and it's not up to the TOs to ban him from tournaments on just the other party's word.

    [–]FE FanPersona96 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I guess you got downvoted because people got jealous that a drunk girl had slept on you. That's quite pathetic.

    [–]RandomRedditReader -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Eh guess some people haven't enjoyed the nightlife. When you have 4 drunk people crammed into a car one of them is bound to pass out on somebody.

    [–]Koog330 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well I can't attest to whether or not what you're saying is true, but I appreciate you posting to let us know your side of things.

    [–]SSBGuttz 5ポイント6ポイント  (27子コメント)

    No offence, but on the last point, you can't just expect people to take your word for it, because of history, so of course it's going to cause drama. I'd personally like to hear from Redact or the Girl before making any judgments and i'd advise other people to do the same.

    [–]pbnj23 85ポイント86ポイント  (22子コメント)

    Like I said there were people with me the whole time but I completely understand.

    [–][deleted] 8ポイント9ポイント  (21子コメント)

    You shouldn't understand. I'd be fuming if someone lied about me like that. If you did indeed haven't done anything inappropriate, you should have spoken up.

    [–]ColonelWilly 25ポイント26ポイント  (20子コメント)

    I'm sure he said he didn't do anything wrong. However, when it comes to this sort of thing, it's generally "guilty until proven innocent." It's unfortunate, but in a lot of ways you're left powerless in these situations where you don't have proof. If the people he was with say "I don't know, I just know they were together" (I mean, they probably weren't looking in the back seat the entire time), then what else can he say? "Fuming" would only have riled up everyone else (and I don't think having a bunch of riled up Australians would be in his best interest).

    [–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (19子コメント)

    That's the problem. Because any girl can say anything to ruin someone's day or life. It is that shameful Feminist/SJW logic.

    [–]ColonelWilly 31ポイント32ポイント  (5子コメント)

    This sort of thing is much more than ruining someone's day. My friend was falsely accused of rape and now when you search his name on Google the top results are about him heading his college's literary magazine and "...was charged Friday with rape."

    However, it's hard to say what the right course is. Imagine the number of creepers who would get away if we didn't trust the victim's word.

    [–]Chaular 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Yeah my friend was doing well, going to college (first in his family), making good grades, making great videos (film school). And then a girl he hooked up with told the police she raped him when it was completely consensual. I was at the party with them, neither he nor I drink, so we were sober, and she had maybe 1 cup of wine (super classy party hahaha) but was definitely nowhere near impaired. Now he's had to drop out of college because of all of the legal fees, and we've both had to spend a lot of time in court. And after all that, she admitted that she lied about it and got no charges against her (Not even perjury or anything). It's a shit situation all around.

    [–]ColonelWilly 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Sad stuff. My friend I mentioned spent 3 weeks in jail and had to pay $2000 for legal fees (she never got charged or had to pay anything). The day they arrested him we were playing DotA at like 6 AM after staying up all night and he said, "Hey, I'll be right back, I think someone may be at the door and I need to take a smoke break."

    Didn't hear from him for 3 week. Longest smoke break of his life.

    [–]tha yung corgibillpika -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

    I'm so fucking sick of the phrase SJW. Every time I see it it makes me mad.

    [–]XavierMendel -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I do so love this script. Comments like these start to make sense when you add some background info.

    [–]tha yung corgibillpika 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    it's from TBP. making fun of red pill-ass niggas is a pasttime of mine.

    i'm personally choosing to believe pbnj, if that's relevant. he does a lot for the scene in my area.

    [–]XavierMendel 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    TheRedPill has a lot of weird people on it. I don't really get any of it from either "side," but then again I'm asexual. My perfect pick up line would be "hey want some pizza," you don't need to get more complicated than that. I see a lot of weird people in thebluepill and its related subs too. They don't seem to care about pick up lines, more about how I'm evil and how my kind should be purged from the Earth.

    It's just awesome to use that script. Who's complaining about that rocks are sexist with a billion posts in SRS, or who is yelling about a rape victim being a prude who posts a lot in theredpill. It gives background info.

    I believe pb&j because I believe that without evidence everyone accusing him is just wasting their time. Of course, even here in /r/smashbros I'm being called some names for that and that he doesn't deserve fairness. I can't really comprehend that, but so be it.

    [–][deleted] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Why? Being a SJW isn't a good thing. Trust.

    Edit: I think people should have some balls and speak up. Stop being little bitches clicking the down votes ;)

    [–]tha yung corgibillpika 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I know that. It's just an overused term.

    [–]cycheouts -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

    It's nothing to do with feminist or "SJW" logic.

    [–][deleted] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    The idea. Not the situation.

    [–]cycheouts 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    That's completely untrue, nobody with an educated idea on what feminism is believes that women should be able to "say anything to ruin someone's day or life"

    [–][deleted] -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Have you not paid attention to what is going on today? Modern day feminism?

    [–]GIMR 76ポイント77ポイント  (3子コメント)

    His history has nothing to do with taking advantage of girls so that's not really fair.

    [–]Chaular -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I'm not particularly familiar with PB&J, is there some other history we should be aware of? Feel free to not respond if it's not something that needs to be discussed, I'm just curious.

    [–]d4b3ss 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

    There were problems with him owing people in the melee community money and doing scummy things in general, Smashboards has a lot of stuff about it. Was way back in the day though and people change.

    [–]thyrfa 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Apparently he already paid everyone back with interest though, according to both him and hbox.

    [–]quadbaser 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

    As an aside, any chance we could all stop referring to this 26 year old woman as a "girl"?

    [–]ericsegal -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    With the way she handled the whole situation, girl sounds appropriate.

    [–]quadbaser 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's important to put it into perspective that it's a grown-ass woman acting this way. Not a girl.

    [–]illusionsh[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thanks for your side a ton pbnj. Sorry I came here asking but I thought it might be a good place to publicly have it discussed incase there was any false accusations against you you could easily clarify them, or just do what you did and give your side of the story. Really sorry you have found yourself in this situation and from the sound of it, and from what the other said in the car with you, they definitely might have had a bit too harsh of a kneejerk reaction. Especially to someone who traveled so far to attend this event. Either way, thanks again buddy.

    [–]AviationAtom 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    So you and her didn't smash?

    [–][deleted] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What the actual fuck. Fuck those TOs.

    [–]PEEFsmash 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thanks for sharing. All you can do now is continue to direct more witnesses from that night to the thread/other social media to comment.

    [–]SphericalCrusher 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I dont take advantage of Drunk Girls and now i had to watch Bam 7 not attend it. I know some might not like me in this thread and yes I had some Issues many years ago in the smash community but all of those were resolved. I dont want to make this a big thing but since this on reddit i'm sure some of you will eat up all this drama.

    I hung out with PBJ some at MomoCon last night and I've talked to him a lot online. It seems that every other person in this story has agreed with PBJ's side, so let's drop this shit. The fact that you were banned from BAM7 because of one girl's opinion is absurd and should make BAM8 not even worth considering. Don't even stress this.

    [–]enizax -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The Smash community goes to an Aussie bar.

    College level bar-girl-booze-drama happened. The smash community became confused.

    The Smash community knows nothing of the sort.

    It hurt itself during its confusion.

    That's what happens at a bar, mates. Meet a broad while undah and all your buddys start thinking shit. Which is to be expected... Because booze + hormones

    Now imagine if the tables were turned, not an eye bat across the sub.

    But you know what. Shit happens... In Australia! I'll assume most of this sub graduated from high school and are still in some basement somewhere wondering how it must feel to be cool. Typical night at a bar happened. Case closed kids.

    [–]b2j135 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    wow dude...FUCK those guys...wow welp, at least you got your cash back but WOOOOOOOW fuck those guys! -_- sad man

    [–]MrCog 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    ...Does it bother anyone else that this girl who apparently was pretty drunk drove her car home?

    [–]genericrdt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    She was sober enough at the end of the night to drive, it had been a while since her last drink, we double and triple checked

    [–]epiLoL -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Welcome to feminist Australia

    [–]watereol -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Is it true that the girl was the gf of a well known smasher?