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Please remove /u/darrendloux from moderation (self.Austin)

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he is abusing his role as moderator and removing posts that are relatively benign and not allowing the community to decide what is and what is not relevant. https://www.reddit.com/user/darrendloux

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[–]EmeraldFalcon89 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

  • Please repost topics of this sort to r/Austinsubredditmodcomplaints

[–]jenilynTX 34ポイント35ポイント  (17子コメント)

This particular mod seems very focused on trying to get people to use the other austin subs. Which I'm not sure is a good goal of a mod. Yes, lost pets have a sub, but it's not as subscribed as this one. Ditto the food and frugal subs. This is the catch all, not the dumping ground for anything without its own very specific subreddit.

[–]ATX_native 22ポイント23ポイント  (3子コメント)

I agree. Ain't no one got time to wade through tons of small subreddits that might get a post a week.

[–]scottevil 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

you have been banned from /r/AustinWade, /r/AustinTime and /r/AustinAgreeToDisagree

[–]maxreverb [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It's pretty easy to set up a bookmark that shows multiple small subs at once.

[–]okayshure [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's what i do too, set-up a multi with all my smaller subs, bookmark and done :)

[–]gir6543 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

For me it depends on the metrics. If he is deleting under 15 posts a day I would not support his effort due to the mediocre traffic this sub gets.

However I have a feeling it is much higher than that, and that the sub would look like Facebook without his moderation

Either way this seems like something that should be discussed before a call to action, most small sub mods seem to be pretty cool people with good reasons for their actions. Many times they are just in a no win situation.

edit: after looking at his activity over the past month i dont see much wrong with it, 90% of the post he removed were shitposts. IMO once a topic hits 30 comments, it shouldn't be removed. obviously even if it does break subreddit rules, the community wanted to discuss it.

[–]zoemi 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

You can wade through his posting history to see how much he's deleting. It isn't that many per day, but quite a few of them feel overzealous.

[–]darrendloux[M] 3ポイント4ポイント  (9子コメント)

I've actually rallied AGAINST that effort time and again. Outside of moving ads to /r/AustinClassifieds that is.

[–]zoemi 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

It feels like a lot of posts get told to move to /r/AskAustin which doesn't get anywhere near the amount of traffic that this one does. Even if someone anticipates that, they're still going to post here because in the amount of time it takes for the post to get removed, they'll get the answers they need.

At that point, all you're doing is making it harder for other people to search for the same question.

[–]okayshure -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Posts don't get removed specifically to be moved to askaustin - that subreddit is given as an option posts that were getting removed anyway. In darren's example of "where can i find a tailor" he'd remove that post here in /r/austin regardless because the user can answer it themselves. askaustin exists for these type of questions. that's it. you're welcome to post there or not, it's just an option.

[–]zoemi [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But when people are asking for recommendations, they're not always just looking for the top hit on Google or the most stars on Yelp. Asking here allows for a dialog to occur between people, not to mention up to date information rather than a place that hasn't been reviewed in the past year.

[–]darrendloux -5ポイント-4ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think that that is probably true before, but not as much now.

My way of looking at posts is really based on whether or not it's a question that actually can only be answered by the /r/Austin community or if it's simply Google-able. I don't specifically direct people to /r/AskAustin for questions that genuinely seem like they would be best answered by the community.

Now, "Where can I find a tailor?" is a question that can be answered without /r/Austin - easily - and gets removed.

[–]EmeraldFalcon89 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

"Where can I find a tailor?" is a question that can be answered without /r/Austin - easily - and gets removed.

Uhh what. This is why people are complaining. Asking about a tailor is an ideal question for a local subreddit. Expensive tailors are good but there are a lot of good cheap tailors too, yet the risk of taking it to a bad tailor is pretty high. Asking about a tailor is the ideal subreddit question.

And if you want to make a counter point about your specific the wording, as if the only things removed are obvious Google answers, then you still haven't addressed all the unnecessary trimming.

I think r/Austin had gotten better as a whole though, leaving the trolls to shitpost didn't really work and the super strict moderation after that blew. I don't think the traffic is high enough on here to warrant so many sub-Austin boards. I like to flip through just r/Austin when I get a chance, not dig through a dozen local boards that have a post every other day.

[–]doggod 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Asking about a tailor is an ideal question for a local subreddit.

Case in point. For those of us who have been on this sub for years it gets really old to see the same post over and over again because people are too lazy search first:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Austin/search?q=tailor&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all

[–]FigMcLargeHuge [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Totally off topic here, but why are half of your posts showing green and a Mod [M] tag and the other half showing you as a regular poster?

[–]darrendloux [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I have no idea. Maybe sometimes I remembered to hit that "distinguish" button to show it was me, a mod, posting...

[–]jenilynTX 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ok, then I've misinterpreted. I appreciate the mods putting in effort to keep this place useful.

I guess I don't understand the removal of stuff like 'where can i find a tailor', because that person is clearly looking for someone's personal suggestion of a good tailor, and why not ask here?

[–]darrendloux[M] 34ポイント35ポイント  (35子コメント)

"Overmoderation"? Do you have any idea, really, how little I moderate this sub? Do you remember last year, when other mods were pulling all sorts of posts?

I removed posts that are essentially classified ads, and then I remove general posts that bitch about general conditions, such as drivers not turning on their lights in the rain or stopping at stop signs. Oh, and the 30 posts a day that ask the SAME questions as yesterday, without every using the search feature, or for fuck's sake, Google. That's really about it. I also remove comments that are just personal attacks.

I can't point to how many times in the seven years I've moderated this sub that I've explained my thoughts on letting the up/downvotes work as they may, but through the years and a couple /r/Austin bitch sessions, we decided that some things weren't wanted here. Those things are now removed.

[–]conel11 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Doing great man, keep up the good work.

[–]zorkempire 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds like a drag. Thanks for doing it. I come to this subreddit several times a day every day. I do wish there were more new posts sometimes, but not of the variety you're apparently getting rid of.

[–]myaustinsubredditalt 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

But but but. I want something different from what you're doing but I don't want to have to do anything like create my own subreddit. Dance for me, monkey.

[–]autobahn -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'd moderate this sub. Creating another sub is pointless.

[–]myaustinsubredditalt [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

But the point is /u/darrendloux pointlessly created /r/Austin (he at least claims that is the case). The subreddit is not owned by Austin's citizens, you, or me, but exists only because reddit allows it to exist under his lordship until he decides to abdicate his senior-mod throne as the sub's creator. Until that happens and you are made mod-king, this is not your forum. It is darrendloux's, and /r/Austin subscribers are subject to his benevolent-or-not dictatorship.

(btw- I used male pronouns for simplicity. I don't know the identity of darrendloux)

[–]brolix [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You need a nap or a joint or something dude, fuck.

[–]blunderchief [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Lordship? Dictatorship? You guys are hilarious.

[–]Big-glass[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

what about not removing posts that already have a few comments. I realize lost pets and stolen items are annoying but they get plus twenty up votes and ten comments. sucks, but that's the nature of users here.

[–]okayshure 31ポイント32ポイント  (13子コメント)

He's the original creator of this subreddit and cannot be removed unless reddit administrators decide to do so - which they won't because moderating your own subreddit how you see fit isn't a crime.

Frankly I'm glad he removes all the shit posts. Where can I buy this, how can I google that, blah blah.

Moderating a subreddit is a no-win no-pay no-reward thankless gig and we should be grateful that he even gives a shit to try. Moderators are harassed, threatened and doxed here constantly - it's why most have stepped away.

If you moderate things one way, you piss off half the people, if you moderate things a different way you piss off the other half. You cannot win. If he didn't remove the posts he did, there'd be a thousand people in there bitching about removing him as a moderator since the post should have been removed.

Posts like these are just pointless pitchfork crap. If you want to have a respectful conversation about modding style, what gets removed and what doesn't and why etc, just send him a message, have a conversation, he's very reasonable and responds thoughtfully and respectfully. He created this community over seven years ago, so he's not going anywhere.

It's been said before but the thing is - this is reddit, if you don't like it you're free to go start your own subreddit and leave this one be.

[–]delugetheory 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you moderate things one way, you piss off half the people, if you moderate things a different way you piss off the other half. You cannot win.

Reminds me of traffic cops. Monday: "Fucking speed traps! Fucking Nazis!" Tuesday: "It's fucking anarchy! Where are the goddamn speed traps?! C'mon, APD!!!" Wednesday: "Fucking pigs, go out and solve some real crimes." Thursday: "Why won't APD enforce traffic laws?! I pay taxes!!!" ...

[–]brolix [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Tuesday: "It's fucking anarchy! Where are the goddamn speed traps?! C'mon, APD!!!"

Never said or thought anything remotely close to that, ever.

[–]old502doucher [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Almost all the posts in this sub are shit.

[–]elphabaisfae 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's not fun having death threats or threats of injury towards yourself or your children, simply because you moderate a board. (This happened prior to reddit and has happened on reddit to me.. and most of what I moderate are RP boards with a large teenager population! It's like people don't seem to realize their online actions can, in fact, affect their offline world.)

[–]okayshure 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

When I was a mod, I removed a user's post (that was in no way related to Austin.) The user scoured my post history (since I didn't use an alt,) found my comments in a personal help subreddit then used those to harass me on a daily basis.

The worst part was it wasn't just me, they also commented on the threads in that help subreddit harassing other users for talking to me. These people were fragile and I was doing my best to help them with a situation that I had experienced. I knew it was time to move away when I was laying awake, anxiety balled in my stomach because of something so awful as this type of harassment and how this affected strangers that didn't deserve it.

This is why mods use alts. Not because they don't want to be accountable, but because it allows them and the posters they interact with to safely participate in reddit.

I've witnessed and seen first hand some of the awful things that have been done to and said about the moderators of this subreddit - darren in particular. He does the best job he can as he sees fit and doesn't deserve these pitchfork posts.

[–]elphabaisfae [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I've had similar, and I completely understand. Aeons ago (15+ years ago), I ran a bulletin board for a street team for a band. One of the members was.. shall we say, obsessive? Obsessive enough that she slashed my tires at a concert where I was 4-5 hours away from home and broke off my windshield wipers. Fortunately I was not stupid, and called the police immediately with the venue phone, so they came running.

They never "proved" it was her, until she decided to show up at my house and try to do it. That was a mistake, since my apartment had recently been broken into in an unrelated incident, and she ended up getting nabbed. (She had to go for mental health help, and I didn't have her charged with a felony; she was sick, not violent. She thought if she got close to me or forced me to be around her, she could be "with" the band.).

Fortunately that girl got the help she needed and is okay now. I've seen her around a couple social media sites and she doesn't seem psychotic. I don't talk to her and we have no mutual friends.

But yeah... there's a reason I don't use location tracking, don't use swarm/foursquare/whatever, etc. It's also why I think modding is a thankless job and somewhat of a risk.

Buuut I do it anyway.

[–]myaustinsubredditalt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

In fact, I said something similar recently: Linky-link

[–]TakeTheBlueTrain 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Moderating a subreddit is a no-win no-pay no-reward thankless gig and we should be grateful that he even gives a shit to try. Moderators are harassed, threatened and doxed here constantly - it's why most have stepped away.

This argument again. Unless they were born yesterday, potential moderators (yourself included) know exactly what they're getting in to when they decide to become a mod. You know you'll have to do some unpopular stuff and that you'll catch heat, but it's worth it because you can delete posts.

I'm half convinced you people do this so you can whine about how awesome you are for doing it.

[–]darrendloux 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

Really, I "signed up for this" because Reddit was all like "we have things called 'subreddits' now!" and I was all like "I'll make one for Austin!"

The main reason I stay mod here is to keep it generally open and free, actually. Other people want to come in and mod with an iron fist.

[–]autobahn -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'd do the opposite. Let the voting do its job and work to remove spam and harassing posts.

[–]darrendloux 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just because people vote something up doesn't mean it's at all related to Austin.

There are very few rules here. Have it be about Austin or relate specifically to Austin. No classified ads. Use the search and check the wiki / faq first.

[–]brolix [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Assuming the vote system works as an accurate reflection of the public using it is a pretty bad assumption.

It's pretty well established how laughably easy it is to manipulate.

[–]okayshure 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're absolutely right about knowing that we sign up for upopularity, downvote brigades, that's fine. I never had a problem with that.

The personal harassment, threats, and doxing, there's no excuse for in any circumstance, ever.

You disagree with me, totally fine. Get angry, call me names, make a post like this, downvote every comment I ever made; I have no problem with that. But there are lines, that should never be crossed regardless of "what we sign up for" they were crossed with me and I see it happen time and time again to others. No one signs up for that and no one should have to put up with that.

[–]uluman 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Can't this subreddit go one day without a riot?"

[–]Tom_Pain 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

I find the moderator drama to be more distracting than the occasional "OMG I'm Moving to Austin!" posts.

If I may offer a truly constructive suggestion, take a look at the filtering system on /r/worldnews :

http://i.imgur.com/lIyawLu.png (or just check out the sub).

If the mods would just flair posts with "OMG I'm Moving to Austin," "OMG I lost my pet," "OMG Where can I buy..." (etc.), and then set up a filtering system, we could decide to filter them out, or not.

[–]kenman [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

If the mods would just flair posts

Yeah, because I'm sure manually reviewing every single post in a sub of 47k readers is how they want to spend hours a day.

[–]zoemi [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They used to do that automatically to moving and lost pets posts.

[–]Tom_Pain [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

No more work than deleting them.

I usually read at least the titles of every new post here. Of course, I spend a day away from the computer (or <gasp> doing actual work all day) every now and then, so I wouldn't expect a moderator to catch every single post.

Again, look at /r/worldnews, where they manage to flair posts by topic just fine.

[–]kenman [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Fair enough, but.... you browse /r/Austin/new? You're braver than I.

[–]NMJ87 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I find the moderator drama to be more distracting than the occasional "OMG I'm Moving to Austin!" posts.

For. Fucking. Real.

Everyone here is so god damn angry all the time, meanwhile I go to a sub like /r/actuallesbians which is hardly moderated, except to remove spam, and blam, everyone is fuckin nice.

Its like when you come back to the US after visiting overseas and the first thing you hear about is how you're breaking 50 thousand rules by standing across a yellow line, immediately puts you in a mood of righteousness and anger.

[–]mindfields88 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

modrama

[–]apathy2007 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think there is merit is saying "Hey Austin Mod, we don't want to subscribe to a bunch of splinter subreddits, can we please just put all Austin posts in the Austin subreddit so people don't have to wade through all the subsidiary subreddits to find information," as opposed to just throwing up the pitchforks and calling for his exile.

I do wish the new mod would go, though. They started off on a rather snarky foot, and they admitted they are using an alt account to mod - shady as fuck.

[–]elphabaisfae 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm a mod for quite a few RP subreddits and I use alts to balance ; when I have someone downvote me over 100 points in a day because "they don't like me", I don't blame them one bit for using an alt.

[–]apathy2007 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

RP?

And that sounds like people brigading - not cool.

[–]elphabaisfae [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Roleplay. (geek checking in; since I have a toddler it's hard to actually go to an RP "game" but I can go online.)

It isn't cool. I got shadowbanned; talked to the admins, they unshadowbanned me (and a few others that's been having these problems, either causing or having them done) and they're now looking into it. Was really surprised at how straightforward the admins were and how seriously they take it (i mean, it's just internet points, but threatening an old account with gilding credit and all is just... childish.)

[–]rotorcowboy 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

Hah, good luck with that. Since he's the top mod, the only way he can be removed is if he goes inactive for 60 days and an existing mod requests his removal by the admins, or if he steps down on his own.

[–]autobahn -5ポイント-4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Right? It's the whole "I was here first so I can do what I want" style of leadership.

[–][削除されました]  (2子コメント)

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    [–]autobahn -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    That's EXACTLY what I said.

    [–]dreadredJ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Pretty sure they were the one that created this sub , so good luck with that.

    [–]howdidwedothis 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Has anyone tried to talk to said mod? Like resolving your issues less passive..

    [–]NMJ87 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    If you'll look in this thread, you'll see, its a bit past discussion, he is unreasonable and loves his power.

    [–]LeftysRule22 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    I don't agree with some of the removals that have happened, like word of mouth recommendations, which are a nice alternative to yelp or city-data but it's not something I'm going to grab a pitchfork over. Reddit really isn't the best platform for that anyway, NextDoor is much better as long as your area has a decent amount of people participating.

    If anything, I'd like to see links to local news websites removed. I use reddit to avoid local news about murder, crime, and rape. I have a TV, if I want to know about that shit I'll turn it on. I think the argument /u/darrendloux uses about removing traffic or bad driving posts is applicable to these as well. Now, if it's an ongoing situation with a murderer on the loose, obviously that is different. But I don't need to hear about kids fighting off home invaders, or some domestic disturbance at an apartment complex.

    I think overall the mods do a decent job here.

    [–]TakeTheBlueTrain 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

    As an aside, I suspect that /u/ameliamack is /u/psdtwk using a different username.

    [–]Tom_Pain 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I figured that she was gorillagnomes.

    [–]darrendloux[M] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Nope.

    [–]TakeTheBlueTrain 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    FWIW, I think you do a good job here.

    [–]realname13 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Great, another one of these shit posts.

    Why do people want this place to become city-data?

    [–]autobahn 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Not a fan of the moderation of this sub, either.

    [–]wolf2600 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

    I've had a couple submissions removed with the reason: "That problem exists throughout Texas and isn't unique to Austin."

    I've actually found that /r/austincirclejerk tends to be a much more fun sub.

    [–]darrendloux[M] 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

    And your post fit the exact qualifications for being removed - you were bitching about people not adhering the basic traffic laws / customs in a way that is in no way specific to Austin.

    This sub is not for bitching about things that people do everywhere.

    "Man, the people in Austin sure do fart! And it stinks, let me tell you!"

    [–]autobahn -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Except that it isn't everywhere. It is especially bad here. You just seem to personally dislike the posts.

    [–]darrendloux 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Go anywhere in the country and they'll tell you that place has the worst drivers. Because drivers suck everywhere.

    Go bitch about it somewhere else.

    [–]TheRighteousTyrant 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You've obviously never driven in Brownsville.

    [–]ghosteria [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    This is still a better place than a year ago, darren's doing a fine job.

    [–]NMJ87 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (6子コメント)

    How about we Just remove all the mods of this sub and moderate it ourselves.

    How about we just remove all mods in general?

    What the fuck are upvotes and downvotes for

    Maybe one dude who wants to control the spam filter can stay and we'll all just promise to buy him a beer if he is seen out and about

    [–]myaustinsubredditalt 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What I said before and repeated above: Linky link

    [–]HalfCoderHalfMan -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I like Thunderdome

    [–]HalfCoderHalfMan 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    /r/AustinThunderdome/ is now a thing. I'm a bit busy working at my day job and other entrepreneurial projects, but I'll add some CSS shortly to make it look less tasteless.

    I will not delete posts unless they are obvious spam or in no way Austin related.

    [–]putzarino 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    two posts enter, one post leaves?

    [–]Tom_Pain [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    How about we Just remove all the mods of this sub and moderate it ourselves.

    I am currently "squatting" on /r/austinnomods, (currently empty), in case it ever becomes needed. /r/TrueAustin also exists, but does not get much traffic. My intention on both of those is to literally only moderate them enough to keep the reddit admins from banning them. I also had in mind to use a /r/worldnews - style tagging and filtering system, so that people could choose for themselves what they want to see.

    [–]NMJ87 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    These are actual good ideas that don't involve shitting on people or abusing power, so, y'know Tom, I don't think its going to work out. =P

    [–]BombGeek -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The point of reddit is to allow the community to decide what to discuss. Not to let Darren decide. GG

    [–]xxoxxo9 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    He deleted my post too. Absolutely unnecessary.

    [–]xxoxxo9 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    I am new to Austin and simply asked a question. It's quite hilarious how people on reddit feel the need to say rude/inappropriate things to people simply because it's anonymous and nobody would ever know who you are. Continue to sit behind your computer probably eating 12 donuts and pick at people. The internet is your only friend.