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[–]Gazareth 50ポイント51ポイント  (14子コメント)

"If it doesn't matter enough for you to provide evidence in order to change minds, then you shouldn't be making claims to begin with."

Very good point.

Even if they are telling the truth though, this guilt by association shit is tiresome.

These people are trying to just remove voices they deem disagreeable; it's disgusting.

[–]gtt443 10ポイント11ポイント  (12子コメント)

These people are trying to just remove voices they deem disagreeable

http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/06/the-new-totalitarians-are-here/

[–]BlisterBox -4ポイント-3ポイント  (11子コメント)

Interesting how the author of the article you linked only attacks SJWs (who admittedly deserve it). What about the legions of thought police on the conservative right, especially the evangelical christian wing thereof?

[–]gtt443 4ポイント5ポイント  (10子コメント)

evangelical christian wing thereof

Who would that be? WBC? Dominionists? Right-wing religious fanatics in US are fringe cranks, they are powerless "old totalitarians". The "Social Justice" left is the hip and edgy mainstream, they are the "new totalitarians".

edit: ring-wing lol

[–]BlisterBox -2ポイント-1ポイント  (9子コメント)

Clearly, you haven't been following the abortion wars in the US. The anti-abortion movement is driven primarily by religious zealotry, and they have succeeded in passing laws that are seriously affecting the ability of women in many states to obtain abortions.

Don't fool yourself. Right-wing religious nuts have a much bigger impact on how we actually live our lives than the SJWs, who are mostly caught up in debates about "privilege" and "shaming" that, ultimately, are full of sound and fury, but signify nothing.

[–]gtt443 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

they have succeeded in passing laws that are seriously affecting the ability of women in many states to obtain abortions

Historically sure, but nowadays abortion is being "limited" only in a bunch of southern states. With the gay marriage issue solved, there is little influence left that right-wingers have over the society.

Right-wing religious nuts have a much bigger impact on how we actually live our lives

In Louisiana, maybe.

who are mostly caught up in debates about "privilege" and "shaming"

Those "debates" lead to a situation where it is perfectly acceptable to throw career/life-ending "para-rape" slander at anyone for any reason as a main thrust of any argument and face not only no derision but also no legal consequences whatsoever. "Rape apologist" - I mean, whaa?? What is this nebulous, incoherent babble?

Universal acceptance of the existence in our Western societies of both "rape culture" or "the patriarchy" by the media is comparable in my eyes to adopting an official religious dogma. It's like suddenly it is common knowledge that all the cable news networks are speaking from the Southern Baptist perspective and when they disapprove of something you know it's because the Bible says so. How and when did this happen?

The rape hysteria does impact lives, it's not just silly bickering, there are actual young adults changing their attitudes and behaviours, and I'm not even talking about the falsely-accused.

Social media witch-hunts do impact lives. Donglegate. Atheism+. Gamergate. Shirtgate. Tim Hunt. Just examples of actual lives impacted, actual organizations morphing, policies shifting.

I am not trying to blow the *gasp* the SJW meeenaaceee out of proportion, just pointing out that it is an issue that does impact lives throughout US.

Dismissing "Social Justice" as tumblr drama is way older than you think, it was bunk when I first heard it five years ago and is bunk now. And see how its influence on public opinion and its place in the mainstream has changed since then.

[–]BlisterBox -4ポイント-3ポイント  (4子コメント)

I can't believe I'm even bothering to have this debate with someone so ill-informed. For starters, check out this article about the recent increase in abortion restrictions in the US.

(The tl;dr: "An unprecedented wave of state-level abortion restrictions swept the country over the past three years. In 2013 alone, 22 states enacted 70 antiabortion measures, including previability abortion bans, unwarranted doctor and clinic regulations, limits on the provision of medication abortion and bans on insurance coverage of abortion.")

Furthermore, you clearly missed the entire point of my post, which wasn't to excuse the excesses of SJWs (I even said they deserved to be criticized for their behavior). I was pointing out the hypocrisy of the author, who was ignoring worse excesses by religious idealogues on the far right -- excesses that have a real effect on our lives, not just some butthurt for MRAs. The Federalist is a notorious mouthpiece for right-wing causes, funded by the Koch brothers and excelling in the type of ideological thought-control that you say you hate.

[–]gtt443 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Furthermore, you clearly missed the entire point of my post, which wasn't to excuse the excesses of SJWs

And my point was not to excuse the excesses of religious right.

I was pointing out the hypocrisy of the author, who was ignoring worse excesses by religious idealogues on the far right

Nope, no hypocrisy there. He focused on the new totalitarians of the left, that's his right. He also didn't mention the CPUSA nor the Greens, no objectivists or Turkish lobby, did he have to? Does it automatically mean he holds certain opinions about those, too? In what way would that change the argument he was making?

excesses that have a real effect on our lives, not just some butthurt for MRAs.

Wow, really? Losing your career and reputation by committing the cardinal sin of thoughtcrime is just butthurt for MRAs? Having your name branded with rape by a careless witch-hunting mob is no biggie, right? Presumption of innocence is MRA issue?

The Federalist is a notorious mouthpiece for right-wing causes, funded by the Koch brothers and excelling in the type of ideological thought-control that you say you hate.

What does it have to do with anything? Attack the argument, not the person, will you? Tom Nichols is a respectable writer, are you insinuating he's a ghostwriter for Kochs? Le ideological thought-control beams.

[–]BlisterBox -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, "hypocrisy" wasn't the right word. "Disingenuous" would've been a better choice. When you set out to attack the "new totalitarians" (as the author purports to do) then do it. Don't just spout the political philosophy of your right-wing paymasters. It reminds me of the people who complain about how polarized Congress is, and then only provide examples of the Republicans unwillingness to compromise, completely ignoring instances of Democratic intransigence.

fwiw, if you take the time to check my comment history, you'll see that I have frequently ridiculed rad-fems, sex-consent-form Nazis, self-hating white males, Mattress Girls, gender-salary-inequity idiots, STEM wannabes and "rape culture" mythologists.

Oh, and re: my setting you straight on abortion restrictions. You're welcome.

[–]smokeybehr 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The article is from an institute dedicated to ensuring as many abortions are performed as possible. I'll bet that you don't even know the real purpose behind Planned Parenthood, and why there are so many in "low-income" "Urban" "minority" neighborhoods, do you? I'll point you to this article, which details sourced quotes from the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger; and illustrates her eugenicist beliefs.

edit:

The Federalist is a notorious mouthpiece for right-wing causes, funded by the Koch brothers

We could say the exact same thing about Planned Parenthood and the Guttmacher Institute; George Soros and Tom Steyer, all notorious Left-Wing organizations. The source doesn't matter, as long as the truth is told.

[–]BlisterBox -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Saying present day Planned Parenthood is practicing eugenics because of Margaret Sanger's beliefs is like saying the US government favors legalized slavery because Washington and Jefferson owned slaves.

[–]smokeybehr 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

We've found the anti-religious bigot.

they have succeeded in passing laws that are seriously affecting the ability of women in many states to obtain abortions.

Like what? All I see are measures that ensure the safety for the patient, and that viable human lives aren't being snuffed out willy-nilly.

[–]BlisterBox -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

whoosh!

Found the brain-washed religious zealot. I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt but, meh, time to head back over to /r/atheism to purify my mind.

[–]RJPennyweather 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

time to head back over to /r/atheism to purify my mind.

This is singlehandedly the cringiest comment I've ever read. /r/atheism is a bigger circlejerk hug box than SRS could ever be.

[–]BukkRogerrs 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even if they are telling the truth though, this guilt by association shit is tiresome.

There's a name for people who use a variant of guilt by association as a motivator for conflict. I believe it's "racist". But Irby's reliance on politics instead of principles wouldn't allow her to see the connection.

[–]DragonDai 41ポイント42ポイント  (16子コメント)

wait wait wait...so because I've posted here before and because I'm a subscriber, I'll get banned from /r/offmychest if I post there? Like, regardless of the content/quality of my post, regardless of its appropriateness to /r/offmychest, auto-ban cause I sub here?

Holy shit man. That's some next level hate. Not even Ghazi hates that hard or SRS hates that hard...

[–]McDouggal 19ポイント20ポイント  (4子コメント)

Ghazi and SRS don't have the technical skills for that.

[–]ckiemnstr345 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm surprised the mods at /r/offmychest haven't given the mods at srs, ghazi, and againstmensrights the script for automoderator to ban people automatically.

[–]alphetasauce[S] 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm pretty sure irbytremor is a mod over at srs, ghazi, amr, and blackladies.

Edit: I know they've done this same thing with fph before.

[–]Delixcroix 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Irby mods on Ghazi too.

[–]McDouggal 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shush we're circlejerking here.

[–]_Brimstone 16ポイント17ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yeah, /r/offmychest has been acting that way for a while. They used to do it to /r/fatpeoplehate as well. What they're doing constitutes brigading, but that admins are typically silent.

[–]mrshawn081982 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Safe Space" - Ellen Pao

[–]DragonDai 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is outrageously bad.

[–]anon445 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

What they're doing constitutes brigading

What who's doing? And how?

[–]_Brimstone -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

/r/OffMyChest. They're brigading against this sub by banning the members.

[–]anon445 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm...not sure that counts as brigading? Like, people are allowed to ban whomever for whatever. It's not against the rules

[–]vendilion 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm gonna try this out.

EDIT: On second thoughts, I'm just gonna unsubscribe. Holy shit when did these lunatics gain control of the place?

[–]IVIaskerade 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Go to r/TrueOffMyChest - it was created in response to the takeover. Going by that sub, it's been at least a year, probably a bit more because reddit doesn't distinguish between 13 months and 23 months.

[–]down_vote_city__ 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

What happened? I'm out of the loop.

[–]IVIaskerade 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

OffMyChest got turned into a “safe space" by resident SRSers and all-round bad person /u/IrbyTremor (or The Redditor Formerly Known As TheIdesOfLight)

[–]BukkRogerrs 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes. Totalitarianism knows no bounds, particularly when it's as easy as having a bot auto-enforce it.

[–]NutsOfSteel 15ポイント16ポイント  (10子コメント)

Pretty fucking ironic considering SRS has a history of doxxing, contacting employers, and harassing individual users with no actual evidence of anything.

/r/offmychest used to be a pretty cool sub back when they were smaller. Fortunately this is the account I use to show my hatred for SJW's, so I don't really post to OMC.

Ooohh, it also looks like she is a mod of:

/r/againstmensrights

/r/redpillfeminism

/r/shittumblrsays

and many more!

But of course, we are the ones with a history of harassment.

Give me a fucking break.

[–]down_vote_city__ 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Hey. I don't mean to sound like an asshole but where can I go to source stuff against SRS? I keep hearing how bad SRS is but no one can really give me good evidence against them. I really want to hate on SRS but I just need some tangible evidence to throw around.

[–]GragasInRealLife 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly, if you can bear the stupid, SRS is the place to start.

I can't. I pretty much only read the comments here for highlights. I can't look at the linked posts very often.

It makes me feel violently ill.

[–]Ataxaria 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

https://www.reddit.com/r/SRSsucks/comments/1yhswb/a_brief_compilation_of_srs_doxxing_brigading_and/

[–]informat2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Searching for stuff like harassing or doxxing on this sub can turn up stuff.

[–]nolo_me 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Pretty fucking ironic considering SRS has a history of doxxing, contacting employers, and harassing individual users with no actual evidence of anything.

Has this been documented and compiled somewhere to present to the admins?

[–]RockFourFour 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Over and over again. The entire layout of their sub is to brigade and harass. The response from the admins?

crickets

[–]nolo_me 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

OK, I'll rephrase. Where has the evidence of brigading and harassment been laid out?

[–]RockFourFour 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't know if there's a page that has it all concentrated, but I've seen numerous threads showing comments/posts, their score, then their score after being featured on SRS. Some of the posts even included graphs of the scores.

[–]nolo_me -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not really much help to me trying to find it...

Edit: seriously, don't force me into a position where I'm defending SRS, it makes me uncomfortable. We're supposed to be better than them, which means sourcing our claims, reals over feels and applying Hitchens' Razor.

[–]CountBubs 22ポイント23ポイント  (4子コメント)

Isn't this the woman who said that 95% of white people are shit?

She is honestly one of the most racist individuals I've ever seen, just look at her post history

[–]trudatness 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

She has a white SO - but thinks 95% of white people are shit.

Whatever, its her fucked up delusion. 95% of white people don't give a shit what race you are just as long as you are cool. Most of the time we're just happy when people are nice to us - especially in this day and age where we're constantly vilified.

At the end of the day - we just have too much shit of our own to deal with to be overly concerned about such issues. The overwhelming majority of white people I know believe having a neutral feeling on race is the way to go.

Most people I know judge people by their economic status and personal character first regardless of race. We're more likely to have a favorable reaction to middle class black people than we are to broke ass trailer park hillbillies.

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    [–]IVIaskerade 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Just copy-paste the URL into Archive.is

    [–]LasagnaAttack 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I heard this somewhere: "If everyone in your life is an asshole, then you're the asshole".

    [–]senpeters 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

    SRSsucks reputation of stalking/harassing and shit talking anyone they've straw-declared an SJW or SRSer is well known.

    Shit talks you and strawmans your position.

    Unfuckingbelievable.

    [–]NADER_THE_GATOR 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    That sentence was so fucking ironic it made me giggle

    [–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That and her whining about in group bias.

    [–]Admiringcone 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I just checked through that trainwrecks post history.....

    "Frankly you have every right to be wary. Dealing with most white people is like navigating a field of landmines. If you don’t shut up and let them say anti-black shit, no matter what, its your fault and you might as well be Voldemort. And speaking of Voldemort thats how they see anyone who holds whiteness accountable for anything.".

    Edit* I've since been banned from /r/Offmychest after this post.. :D

    [–]FranklyWhat 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

    And then I saw that Irby was involved and it all made sense.

    [–]A_kind_guy 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I don't think I've ever seen harassment that is being supported in this sub. Most people here just want equality, unlike srs. Any unsavoury opinions I've seen on here have been downvoted swiftly.

    [–]shoe_owner 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You have to realize that the term "harassment" is often used interchangeably with "disagreement." Ditto "silencing," "talking over" and "mansplaining."

    [–]luftwaffle0 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They have boogeyman groups that they blame for any anonymous thing that could be anybody. Gamergate, MRAs, stormfront are some of the others.

    I'm surprised that Srssucks is one of them since I've never seen encouragement to do any of that and not many people talk in here anyway.

    There is really something wrong with them. If they weren't such cruel assholes it would be sad.

    [–]soylent_absinthe 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The newspeak definition of harassment is "opinions I disagree with." I can see how a turbocunt like /u/IrbyTremor would disagree with us, thus "harassment."

    [–]gregzillaf 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Wait wait wait, just how do they suppose they can ban somebody from reddit entirely for using alts? If they are already using alts they could just make a new one. IP bans are worthless and you can solve them with an unplug of the modem half the time.

    [–]mutatersalad1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Or just hop on Tor for five minutes.

    [–]BlueFreedom420 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Is this even legal? ( in terms of reddit rules) Can you ban someone based on their subs?

    [–]alphetasauce[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

    You can ban whoever you want for whatever reason you want, mods pretty much have total control over their sub. But we are also free to protest their decision and raise awareness of the idiocy by posting it to other subs.

    [–]trudatness 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well now you know that sub is run by mods who hate most white people and want to purge out anyone who isn't like-minded.

    So if you want to go and hang out with people who hate you - that's the sub to go to. It's their sub - if they want to be a bunch of bigoted shitheads let them. I have better things to do than to try to be a part of a club that hates me for existing.

    [–]poko610 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Unlike how they pretend that they or don't or that they don't have time for this shit, but will spend hours explaining it to someone.

    It would be more reasonable to just have the bot message say something like "You've been banned from /r/off my chest for participating in /r/srssucks. Do not message the mods contesting this ban because they will not reply to you."

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      [–]djn808 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Well you weren't running a digital-Secret Police fantasy land, were you?

      [–]djn808 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Lol you ask him an honest question 'have you been having issues recently' and he gives you a snarky as fuck incorrect reply.

      [–]alphetasauce[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      That's a mod of srs. I had no idea that she was a mod of offmychest too. When I saw that name in my inbox I knew this was going to be funny. We rarely have a chance to interact with them in the wild so I knew I had to take my chance to make her look stupid.

      [–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Ides as a mod: not even once.

      [–]UNSCInfinity 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Just visited there, and there's no post buttons or comment fields on posts and when I subscribe and refresh, it turns green again. Does that mean I'm banned from there too? If so, that's fucking incredible.

      Just checked with my alt account. Yep. I am.

      [–]randomstudman 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Wow just....wow

      [–]subreddit_llama 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      She does it for free.

      [–]Drapetomania 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

      /u/IrbyTremor is a known harasser that has publicly admitted on reddit she's severely, severely mentally ill. She's admitted in the past to having a insect-on-genitals fetish, whatever that entails.

      [–]alphetasauce[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Wtf? She wants a stick bug up her cooch?! Man there is something wrong with that chick.

      [–]Drapetomania 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Cockroaches I think it was...

      [–]VerticalSmileyCyrus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      /u/IrbyTremor is the literal worst.

      [–]BukkRogerrs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Try to reason with an ideologue lunatic, get lunatic replies. Makes sense. At first I was thinking that there was some reddit-wide opinion that srssucks was a harrassment sub, despite my knowing better. But when I saw the name IrbyTremor I knew all reality and rationality flew out the window long ago. You're in dismal fantasy world when conversing with that crackpot.

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        [–]alphetasauce[S] 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I figured it was appropriate since it has to do with this sub. I was banned automatically by a bot just for leaving a comment on this sub. I wanted to see if I would get a coherent answer about exactly why I was banned when I received a reply from irbytremor. She is an srs, blackladies, and a few other hardcore social justice subs mod. So I thought I would capture her being a hypocrite and an asshole just to show you guys how far it's spread.