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[–]jaspita 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think this post will be helpful for you.

[–]dellintelbitcoin 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

Can you link the transaction? I think it would help alot

[–]WellsHunter[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

How does linking to the transaction help in speeding it up?

[–]evilpumpkin 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

That's not what he said. By looking into the actual transaction we can see what fee was issued.

[–]WellsHunter[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Ah ok. I can see the sender paid a fee of 0.0001 BTC.

I can see it fell below the recommended fee level.

https://blockchain.info/tx/6b44fc671c15ee96121d12b33199386e562cebb6bd6fbdece2f3ec3032b42d98

[–]comp14 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

The size of your tx is 1515 bytes, and the fee you paid is 10,000 satoshis. So that is about 6.6 sat/B.

The current fee density is about 45 sat/B as you can see it here https://tradeblock.com/blockchain

[–]Profile3D 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I can't wait to get my grandma on board with Bitcoin! So easy!

[–]jtibble 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sending an email is so easy! I just have to manually connect to the SMTP server through my terminal and exactly type the correct commands.... oh wait, that was before the infrastructure was built-out and improved.

[–]Profile3D 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well we are years on now with this, when does the easy start?

[–]evilpumpkin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

below the recommended fee level

Where did you see that? To my knowledge that's exactly the "correct" amount.

[–]Goodtimery 4ポイント5ポイント  (10子コメント)

Yeah this is now the third day in row of this attack ('Stress Test') - currently over 60000 unconfirmed transactions.

It will be interesting to see how developers tackle this problem, as it seems to cripple Bitcoin more and more.

[–]WellsHunter[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Thanks for the info. I had seen speak about "stress tests" the other day but I did not know what that meant.......now I do.

[–]bailbtc 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

"stress test" is a euphemism people are using because it's not pumpy enough to admit there is an attack and it's succeeding so it's better to rephrase it as some sort of intentional test.

[–]WellsHunter[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

It is the cryptocurrency equivalent of a DDOS attack on a website.

[–]bailbtc 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

No you see it's just a TEST, bitcoin has no flaws, no one could be attacking it! and the attack couldn't possibly be succeeding! it's merely a drill! Do not look at your transactions not confirming! all part of this 'test'!

[–]btchombre -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bitcoin is working fine so long as you provide an adequate fee

[–]ebaley 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Pumpy"? You prefer attack because it's "dumpy" I suppose.

[–]d4o2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Had to wait 24 hours for a breadwallet transaction.

[–]jtibble 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well over 81k unconfirmed txs now

[–]Sugar_Daddy_Peter -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not crippling bitcoin, it's just raising the cost of fees slightly. Not that dramatic.

[–]heltok 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sorry to hear that. Some spammer is sending tons of 0.0001 fee transactions to slow down the network. For future transactions consider increasing the fee, 0.0002 should be much faster.

[–]WellsHunter[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I am the receiver...not the sender. I will advise the sender to increase the fee paid the next time.

[–]gerradp 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's weird... I transferred money last night between two DNMs, and it took about an hour to get six confirmations. Maybe the automated fee is considerably higher when you do that, because there was no manual feel option.

Either way, I wish you luck

[–]SwagPokerz 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

Well, just let the Bitcoin network know that you really value getting into the blockchain; simply resubmit your transaction with a higher transaction fee—OH WAIT! You can't, because Bitcoin has a broken fee market, which has been pointed out since the beginning of time and yet never fixed!

[–]jstolfi 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Replace-by-fee can only make the problem worse. Imagine a crowded restaurant where clients have to wait three hours, on average, for their food. Now imagine that they can offer bribes to the waiter to have their order pushed to the front of the queue, provided that their bribe is higher than that of other patrons. Hint: no matter what bribes they pay, their average wait time will still be three hours, not a minute less.

[–]SwagPokerz 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

How is that you cannot see the irrelevance of your point?

Who is hungriest? Who is on the verge of starvation or is about to die of thirst? Who is fat, relaxed, and doesn't mind waiting at the bar for a table? That is:

  • How should resources be allocated most efficiently?

Nobody knows, because nobody has complete knowledge!

In the absence of information, the best guess is that everyone is equal—hence, first-come-first-served; timing is the information used to differentiate. Next, you give everyone a representation of work that society owes them: Money. The more money someone has, the more work society owes that person (yes, you can inherit what someone else is owed!); the more money someone offers, the more work society should do for that person; in your scenario, doing "more work" means "waiting longer for a table in order to let that someone ahead in the queue".

In this way, the money offered acts as a transmission of information about how much someone values a service, and thus provides more information about how resources should be allocated according to needs and wants.

Indeed, through this mechanism, other patrons learn about how much the service is valued, and how much they need to do for society in order to be owed that service in return, etc. This feedback loop esablishes what services are possible, what services are need or wanted, etc.

[–]jstolfi 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I wish that there was some restaurant in the world that had that wonderful policy (must be an Austrian restaurant, I suppose), and that you had to eat there all your meals...

Money. The more money someone has, the more work society owes that person

Careful there! If you don't turn off your brain immediately, you may conclude next that society has the right to decide how much money that person should have... ;-)

[–]SwagPokerz -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nothing you say follows from anything.

[–]gerradp -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's because he was fucking around

[–]hhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiii 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, but you are assuming that there are vast differences between users. Whereas some of us believe that people's needs from a payment system are roughly comparable. In which case, jstolfi's analysis is right on: there will be a dive to the bottom, with everyone spending more on overhead, but nobody will be better off. This can drive people away from Bitcoin.

[–]SwagPokerz -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

That does not follow.

Both supply (mining) and demand (using) must be profitable endeavors in order for Bitcoin as a whole to be worthwhile. What you call "overhead", the miners might deem "essential", and what miners call "a small fee", you might deem "outlandish!" It's this tug of war that allows a system to evolve into something that's workable.

There is no solution that can be deduced for all time; the system must constantly iterate towards a workable solution, and a solution that is workable at one time may not be workable at another.

[–]DrinkingHaterade -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is that for real? I'm really sad. Bitcoin can't be broken because we have the whitepaper and the math. It's frictionless, secure, pseudo-anonymous storage of value, Cyprus/Greece, and all the remittances.

Just look at the rainbow, Azop, and other price graphs. You've got it wrong. To the moon!