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OFF-TOPIC[Off-Topic] I'm really starting to hate SJWs with a passion... (self.KotakuInAction)

davispuh が 投稿

They're everywhere and try to force their views on others. Just now I was generating a new Ruby Gem using Bundler and this is what it asked me http://i.imgur.com/CQTPZFp.png

Do you want to include a code of conduct in gems you generate? Codes of conduct can increase contributions to your project by contributors who prefer collaborative, safe spaces. You can read more about the code of conduct at contributor-covenant.org. Having a code of conduct means agreeing to the responsibility of enforcing it, so be sure that you are prepared to do that. For suggestions about how to enforce codes of conduct, see bit.ly/coc-enforcement

Look at that site http://contributor-covenant.org/ from there

open source projects suffer from a startling lack of diversity of participants, including women, people of color, and other minority populations.

And http://contributor-covenant.org/version/1/1/0/

I just have no words, I'm in rage now lol.

PS. Didn't know where to post this other than here...

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[–]AntonioOfVeniceRuns /r/polygon \ Karma King of late April 2015 79ポイント80ポイント  (18子コメント)

The phrase "safe spaces" is starting to really trigger me.

[–]TheonGryJy 29ポイント30ポイント  (4子コメント)

We need safe spaces from SJW outrage, Its starting to trigger me. Every time they talk about Fire Emblem Fates being homophobic, I burst a blood vessel.

[–]ParasiteSteve 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

I just play some "problematic" vidya. Fighting games are especially helpful.

[–]Spysnakez 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

So you just embraced your toxic masculinity, having problematic thoughts about beating people, most probably PoC transgenders. The Patriarchy has once again showed us how they enforce the delusional idea of male supremacy on the society.

This is why I need feminism.

[–]Millenia0 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I hope you're playing skullgirls, cause any other fighting game is sexist.

[–]HeadHoffer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

implying

Dead or Alive is the least sexist fighting game franchise out there

[–]StJimmy92 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

I was at a concert a few weeks ago and the band said something along the lines of "this is a safe space and we're going to be making more all around this country." It kinda killed the mood, I thought I could escape in real life.

[–]TuesdayRB 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

What the hell's your name? What's your pleasure and what is your pain?

Do you dream too much? Do you think what you need is a crutch?

In the crowd of pain, /u/StJimmy92 comes without any shame

He says, "we're fucked up but but we're not the same, and mom and dad are the ones you can blame."

[–]HariMichaelson 7ポイント8ポイント  (8子コメント)

I hear safe spaces, I instantly go into "protect myself first" mode.

[–]ExplosionSanta 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Then your survival instincts are sharp. Have you ever known a friend to seek to disarm you?

[–]HariMichaelson 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nope. Every single person who has called me friend, whom I have also called friend, has preferred me armed.

[–]TuesdayRB 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

You'll never be safe, Caine of Garthan Hold. There is nowhere you can hide from Monastic vengeance.

[–]HariMichaelson 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

(IC) Ever seen what a conflagration of dragons can do? I'll make you watch while I burn your children and plunge your home into war. If the Monastery wants to be standing by dawn, it will back the fuck off. I'm not their fucking dog. But I sure as goat-shit do bite. (Grins like a wolf.)

(OOC) Best. Books. Ever.

[–]TuesdayRB 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

:-)

Have you read Caine's Law yet?

[–]HariMichaelson 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes. Yes I have. In fact, I'm the reason my local library has a copy. :)

I chewed through those like an emaciated man would go through a rack of ribs.

While they're all top-quality examples of classic sword and sorcery with a cool twist and ranking them is therefore hard, Caine's Law is by far my favorite of the four. I love how much the metaphors start crossing into their little space of reality. Duncan being the stone that sealed the heroic will outside of time was...nothing short of absolutely fucking brilliant. The only problem with those books...

Is that everything else now kind of leaves me unsatisfied. Though, if you want some good stuff that will remind you of Stover's work, check out Scott Lynch's "Republic of Thieves," and "Lies of Locke Lamora." I'd also recommend War Breaker and The Black Company. They're good substitutes, and they work to feed the void, though I must admit nothing has quite scratched that itch since.

Hrm...maybe I'm less Hari Michaelson and more Arturo Kolberg. That longing for more Acts of Caine is way too reminiscent of the Blind God.

The thing I really like about Stover is he doesn't hold the reader's fucking hand. He treats you like you know the subject matter he's dealing with so he doesn't have to rehash ground that is already trod a lot in other stories. He goes a lot deeper and explores other paths that no other stories I've read in fantasy, not even A Song of Ice and Fire, will touch. Honestly, the closest thing I've been able to get to more Acts of Caine has been Michael Moorcock's "Elric Saga."

[–]Tumdace 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

These people need to experience real danger before they can speak of a "safe space".

[–]ac4l 44ポイント45ポイント  (7子コメント)

And the maintainer of that CoC was harassing other project (Opal): https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941

But Ada investigated the issue and closed the issue, because it was found Ada did no wrong /s https://github.com/CoralineAda/contributor_covenant/issues/56

[–]oldmanbees 26ポイント27ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oh lookie, the scold is heavily involved in the execrable "Model View Culture," the digital rag founded by the utterly insane Shanley Kane. How fucking surprising.

[–]DangerouslyGoneAlone 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

How did I miss that? That explains a boatload.

[–]Claude_Reborn 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

the digital rag founded by the utterly insane Shanley Kane.

Into the trash it goes!

[–]yelirbear 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

So they added in a CoC but the person Ada originally accused would not have been in violation of the CoC anyway because the comments were made off site. So basically she called in the outrage culture army and had a person harassed and threatened for no reason at all. I was following that whole ordeal and it made me so mad.

[–]ac4l 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

harassed and threatened

You forgot attempted extortion

[–]Chaoslux 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

So, I decided to actually read through something like 4 issues on the Opal repo that kept the discussion.

In one of them, those SJWs were so shocked of having pushback about "Code and politics should be kept separate" that they said something along the line of "Here we go again, Gamergaters who doesnt understand adult concepts" The next 3-4 messages were contributors going "...and he pulled the gamergate card. Why am I not surprised?"

[–]the_axe_of_axe2 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That whole thread is frightening. It's just "he spoke badly about the party. he cannot work in the factory anymore".

[–]david0rk 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

oh yes.. the open source community lacks diversity, we need codes of conduct to ensure that everyone feels accepted/s

Millions of people have contributed to the linux kernel, and some how it gets better every fucking year. Crossing national borders, language barriers, genders, races, religions and any other trivial lines in the sand you can come up with... From the US, to russia, the plains of africa, from paris to london, from sydney from belgium, all around the world and even in fucking space people are using and contributing to open source software.

The open source movement as a whole is one of the few shining examples of what the fuck can happen when people stop giving a fuck about what makes us different and try to just make something fucking awesome FOR EVERYONE.

I think if the open source ideals took hold of everyone on this planet (by us (human beings), for everyone, just because we can, just because we want to make something awesome, because ideas deserve to be free) we'd be living in a utopia within a century.

Yes people go on rants from time to time, yes there are assholes in the open source community, yes there are racists in the open source community, but thats because the open source community is made up OF PEOPLE. The people of the earth, the lives those people live, and the experiences they've had have more variation than there are stars in the fucking sky.

Get over yourself and realize that all of human experience isn't going to fit into your narrow little box of comfort.

If you haven't found a useful way to contribute to the world, maybe you should keep looking for your niche instead of giving up and becoming a professional troll telling everyone that what they're doing is wrong or somehow detrimental to someone else.

[–]cha0stat tvam asi 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Couldn't agree more. As someone who came up in open source, these pushes for diversity are laugh inducing to the extent that they aren't infuriating. These morons wouldn't know "progress" if it bit them in their pasty entitled asses. These "diversity" initiatives are the ultimate bikeshedding.

[–]ExplosionSanta 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

TIL about bikeshedding.

[–]DangerouslyGoneAlone 22ポイント23ポイント  (31子コメント)

Ruby is for hipsters, what do you expect.

[–]EAT_DA_POOPOO 10ポイント11ポイント  (13子コメント)

Ruby WAS for hipsters. The cool kids moved on to node.

[Disclosure: I don't like node]

[–]Claude_Reborn 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Real coders write in C++ or Assembly

Source: Electronic Engineer

[–]jordanb18 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Last two semesters in my electrical engineering degree. Can confirm. Also, assembly is the worst.

[–]Mashiki 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pft. Fortran for lyfe.

[–]DangerouslyGoneAlone 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

Pretty sure anyone sane doesn't like node. Why would you... develop server software in js?

[–]EAT_DA_POOPOO 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you're a terrible coder, you only know one language and you hate learning?

Then you have the argument, "You can have your frontend coders writing your backend!", which seems like a terrible idea if you've seen what passes for "frontend coding". I've worked with some kids on some pretty big (read expensive, not complex) sites and one of them didn't know what a for loop was.

[–]fre3k 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bro, 2 way data binding and generator functions with applicative lambdas means WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN FOR LOOPS!

[–]JamesMean 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

When you have a language that accepts any input and tries to twist it until it compiles (come on, you can add an object to a string and JS will try to make something out of it) you can feel like you know what you are doing. The other option is what I do and having gcc tell me I am retarded every 2 minutes.

[–]87658764 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why would you... develop server software in js?

Because event loop > threads. There's nothing wrong with Node or Javascript unless you're a retard that tries to do arithmetic on strings.

[–]DangerouslyGoneAlone 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I prefer threads. I am an oldschool C++ dev.

[–]badpandasinc 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

You guys are behind the times. Now that every package name is taken on npm, all the cool kids have moved on to playing with Go and Rust.

[–]EAT_DA_POOPOO 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I should've put quotes around "cool". I'm all about nim these days. And I'm pretty cool.

[Source: myself]

[–]snakeInTheClock 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pardon me, I saw nim mentioned here a few times. It looks cute. What did sell nim to you specifically?

Also, how stable it is in your opinion/experience?

EDIT: scratch "here", I just remembered that I saw it on different forums also.

[–]Spoor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Those two languages have also already been infiltrated.

So far Perl still seems good to go though!

[–]ggburner420 8ポイント9ポイント  (12子コメント)

I adminned a large Ruby on Rails site for many years. i attended some Rails conferences. What a bunch of hipster, elitist wankers. Fedoras, trench coats over a retro Mario t-shirt. The same damn glasses and of course a Macbook Pro. Don't even think of showing up with a PC laptop unless you like being glared at.

They weren't really there to work, had no clue about how business functions and basically just wanted to circle jerk each other about how "the Rails way" was the "ideologically pure way".

Also they mostly made shit code and were completely clueless when it came to topics of scale and deployment. I really don't care how well Rails works for your site which gets 200 users a day, I'm dealing with hundreds of thousands.

This was back in the days of deploying on mongrel which has to be one of the shittiest pieces of software I've ever had the misfortune of running.

I will say that RoR and Ruby in general is much better than it was but still has annoying quirks. As /u/EAT_DA_POOPOO says, most of the hipster fucks have moved on to node.

[–]disposableaccount900 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm sure you've read the classic Rails is a Ghetto, but here's a link if not.

[–]ggburner420 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah, yes Zed, the "master" behind mongrel...

[–]pieuvre776 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

I'm afraid to ask, but what did they mean by "ideologically pure way"?

[–]ggburner420 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

Well, basically they sneered at software devs using other tech and languages. Oh and absolutely so if you might be say a C# dev or use anything Microsoft at all.

  • MVC frameworks only (it's no coincidence you get Model View Culture out of this crowd).
  • Rails is the best MVC.
  • Suck the Agile kool-aid.
  • Stuff like SQL should be obfuscated to the programmer (really wonderful as common Rails performance issues would be code that essentially did "select *" and parsed in code - fine when you have a 200 record database, not so much with 2 billion records).
  • Deployment should be "simple" - ignoring the complexity of large scale development to harp on pieces of shit like Capistrano.
  • Essentially saying "my way is best way" with lack of understanding about using the right tool for the job.
  • Sneering and distaste if you mention some tech that's not part of the cool kids club of accepted technology
  • Championing open source while at the same time (unironically) sucking Apple's dick

Don't get me wrong, there ARE good things about Rails and Agile. I much prefer rapid prototyping and iterating with user feedback over say, waterfall methodology, BUT (and this is a big but) it doesn't give the same advantage to all development. Web apps are not AAA video games.

Very clique-ish and seemingly obsessed with thinking programmers are rockstars. So many primadonnas with fuck all on their resume. Oooh, you contributed to some mildly useful but horribly coded hack, big fucking deal.

[–]exclamationmarc 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I never cringed so much having read "SQL should be obfuscated." Any developer worth his salt should know at least how to run a SELECT statement, and everything you need can be Googled anyway. I've been in enterprise development ever since and I always hated proprietary frameworks doing this because muh code integrity (Fuck you Oracle).

[–]ggburner420 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

To be fair, there are many use cases where having the framework handle crap like that (or say AJAX) can be fine. When used for small applications or prototyping, you aren't likely to end up with a serious optimization issue.

The bigger issue to me was selling Rails as being "simple" while not understanding issues of scale. That's we why saw the rise of Dev Ops, otherwise known as "the people that can actually get the code running on production at scale".

This video, SQL on Rails made fun of the whole oversimplified bs with the Rails community as well as their preference for screencasts over detailed documentation.

Rails did get put into use in major ways over the past 10 years and consequently the tools available are much more mature. Maybe that's why most of the hipsters have run off to node.js.

[–]exclamationmarc 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I actually heard a lot about the hell of Rails in terms of scale since I'm dabbling into Ruby recently. It still seems like a solid platform overall but the community is another case, which is it's better that the hipsters are now "contained" in node.js.

[–]ggburner420 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's really much better now. Ruby is still slow but there is a lot of good tech to offset that. Scaling rails sites is pretty easy as long as you don't do something really dumb code wise.

Like most mature web dev languages, ultimately your headaches will come with managing large amounts of transactions against large data sets. And the tools/methods to manage that aren't specific to Rails.

[–]midian3 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just out of curiosity - why don't you like agile? I work as a tester in a big eastern europe outsourcing company and most of our american customers work by agile methodologies in one way or another. Some more or less pure Scrum, others like us a mix of agile and CI and moving in the way of 'pure' CI. Also it depends on the project but agile is a way to go when it's a web project.

[–]ggburner420 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

agile is a way to go when it's a web project

Yeah, I agree with this. I like agile quite a bit. It's the attitude that agile is a silver bullet for development methodology that I dislike.

Also I dislike drive-by agile consultants that give seminars to corporations without understanding the business at all. Typically someone in upper management gets wind of agile (usually because development is falling behind), they hire some overblown agile expert to come in and do some seminars. Then they fire half the dev team six months later when it doesn't translate to success in release.

I worked with a team that used scrum, agile and ci in various mixes for about 7 years. Overall with good success. Without good leadership and team buy-in though, it can be worse than useless.

Agile done poorly can hinder projects that require a lot of upfront discovery. I'm talking in particular for things like large internal corporate applications. Too many assumptions made upfront without proper analysis in order to get to a build state quickly. An example would be, analyzing only data in and data out by department for integrated applications without actually looking at department workflow and usage. There's often a corporate sponsor pushing budget for an application without considering the overall picture. Iterative development can suck when you're trying to balance the needs of different depts. Scoping a solution to address the overall need upfront in those kinds of situations can help.

In large scale projects like AAA game development, past a certain point you have too many resources committed to be able to work in terms of iteration and review. It probably is very useful in prototyping but less so when you're talking a massive project. The projects own momentum and inertia makes being agile cost prohibitive.

So it's not that I don't like agile, I actually am quite fond of it. With a good team lead and proper execution, I think it's absolutely the best for web apps and other projects. I just don't think development is a one-size-fits-all game.

[–]ggburner420 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

One example that comes to mind was a panel they had to address the "problems of bad programmers programming Rails". It was a panel where they discussed how the community needed some form of certification or credential to identify "good Rails programmers". They basically stated that what they were doing was on the same level as doctors and lawyers...

Guys, you make web apps. At that time there wasn't even a single large scale site running Rails.

[–]pieuvre776 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ooohh wow. Thanks for all that - I'm learning to program, but except for one friend I've been flying solo, so I've never had to deal with that.

Something to look forward to someday, I guess...

[–]Piroko 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ruby is done for. Python has won because of SaltStack.

[–]Optimash_Prime 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm in the process of learning Ruby right now, but that's mainly because I want to understand the code better in RPG Maker.

[–]DangerouslyGoneAlone 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

Consider it shitposting mostly. Ruby is a programming language and it's worth learning for whatever purpose you want to use it for. I just personally, as a career programmer, really don't like how people code in Ruby. I don't have issues with the language as much as the community.

[–]Array71 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

I went to the page and

the pervasive cult of meritocracy

Is this site a fuckin joke?

[–]niczar 19ポイント20ポイント  (5子コメント)

Codes of conduct can increase contributions

[citation needed]

[–]ac4l 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

People submitting "This variable is sexist you shitlord" bug reports counts as "contributing", right?

[–]ExplosionSanta 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Quantity, perhaps. Quality, of that I am sceptical. How many programmers do you know who get excited about having their behaviour regulated by unaccountable authority figures?

[–]niczar 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't know the number, but I know the type: cucks.

[–]ExplosionSanta 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I swear nerd shit going mainstream was the worst thing to happen. Too many weak ass wannabes trying to pretend they're cut out for hard work when they just want someone to tell them what to do.

[–]azgult 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

1 commit per code of conduct added. trollface

[–]BrimshaeSun Tzu VII:35 / Survived #GGinDC 2015 / Dined #GGinNC 2015 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

My code of conduct: Don't be an aGGro or SocJus asshat.

[–]ggburner420 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Who knew they loved coc so much?

[–]53768367649876362457 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

they are bitter animal because they are so desperate for coc

[–]Splutch 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

You know, I catch a lot of shit for being one of the more militant assholes here, but I've also been trying to bring peoples attention to radfems for about 4 years now. I'm seeing more and more people starting to understand just how much it can get to you and GG hasn't been going on for a year yet. So next time you try to tell me I'm being way to serious, just wait. There will be more of you who feel much like I do.

[–]RedPill4LYF 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seconded. Radfems, SJWs, cultural Marxists, whatever you wanna call them, they are wicked evil hypocrites that follow a satanic religion.

[–]Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

They aren't as big as you think. They just happen to get themselves in seats of power.

[–]Gazareth 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Political correctness is big though. And they basically ride it, feed off of it, and encourage it.

[–]boommicfucker 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hehehe, "coc-enforcement", how triggeringly awful.

I don't really have anything to add to your post so I'll instead shill the Terminus font. It's pretty good for terminals and code and you can just install it with pacman too! So crisp, so sharp, it's like a razor-filled bowl of fresh cereal!

[–]AspsVeryDangerous 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Python, it being slang for a guy's dong is still free of them though, right?

[–]centrum5555 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

i actually find it funny, since they leave you the choice. although i do understand where you are comming from, everytime there is talk about 'save space' something gets censored

[–]davispuh[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

they even encourage censoring, just check that CoC, from there

Project maintainers have the right and responsibility to remove, edit, or reject comments, commits, code, wiki edits, issues, and other contributions that are not aligned to this Code of Conduct. Project maintainers who do not follow the Code of Conduct may be removed from the project team.

that's not what I support at all.

[–]centrum5555 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

me neither but people that want save spaces do. and like i said in my other post the word "save space" is a terrible discribtion i would call it "censor hell"

[–]Danielle_S 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

What choice? I see an ultimatum. implement and enforce a code of conduct, or we'll accuse your project of not being welcoming to those looking to be offended. Which translates into phobic and various isms. It's all bad faith bullshit by people who aren't there to assist in open source, but to peddle their ideology. It's disgusting.

[–]centrum5555 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

well the choice would be y or n. although i am prob not qualified to make a statement about how important the devs from bender really are. as for the "it is an accusation", i disagree with this statement we both know they are right when they say "as long as your project is not a save space some contribters might not want to help you".

the only thing that can be interpreted negatively is the word "save space" because by not clicking yes you agree that your platform is not save (which can lead to a missleading assumption)

so no i dont think they accuse you, what i do think is that this could be a retorical trap

[–]Danielle_S 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

well the choice would be y or n. although i am prob not qualified to make a statement about how important the devs from bender really are. as for the "it is an accusation", i disagree with this statement we both know they are right when they say "as long as your project is not a save space some contribters might not want to help you".

Except that's exactly what they do. That's essentially what #opalgate boiled down to. More info about that here.

the only thing that can be interpreted negatively is the word "save space" because by not clicking yes you agree that your platform is not save (which can lead to a missleading assumption) so no i dont think they accuse you, what i do think is that this could be a retorical trap

The entire thing is a giant kafka trap.

[–]disposableaccount900 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh that nocodeofconduct.com is GLORIOUS.

[–]Wonderkarp 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Starting Too?

I used to try to argue with them. Now the minute I hear any of their BS, I cut to "You are an idiot. go fuck yourself"

[–]humanexp 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Diversity!"

Except of thought.

[–]DwarfGate 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

SJWs are 0% able to compete. They lose at EVERYTHING. Thus, they take over games and sites and change the rules until they win.

You know who else changes the rules until they win? Little children. You could be playing Trouble or Candyland but if the dice fall on you as the victor a toddler will change the rules over and over until they win. just like Social Justice.

[–]rebelwithacaue 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

This shit has been going on for a long time. Here's a forerunner to SJWs complaining about the violence in a Conan story: http://voxday.blogspot.com.au/2015/07/the-historical-pink-sfblue-sf-divide.html

[–]jernd 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

x = 3 is racist and sexist. X clearly is unequal and that's why we need social justice until xe is truly equal!

[–]Hi_there_friends 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yeah I kinda started getting fed up with them when they made a huge stink about a highly iconic VG character not being a girl and have basically all but changed him by constantly making a huge deal out of it with every new game announcement. Prior to that I didnt even have a stance on gamergate.

[–]NeonMan 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Pantsman should be a womyn
/s?

[–]Hi_there_friends 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Who?

[–]NeonMan 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

VGcats author inserts himself in the story as "Pantsman".

I read VG and thought about VGcats :P

[–]Hi_there_friends 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, lol, I meant video game. :P

[–]Bladecutter 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know how you feel my shitlord bro. Everywhere I look it's "safe spaces" and "triggers" and "misogyny" and I'm starting to think I just went insane one day and this is all a figment of my fractured mind. Not a week ago I was listening to the Tim Ferriss podcast and that particular episode was full of this shit.

Then there's a friend of mine I D&D with that follows the SJW ideologies, and his girlfriend seems to be warming up to it. Then there's the other D&D friend that implied I was ignorant for my worldviews and now I'm sad.

It's rather crushing to the motivation to do anything productive, to be honest.

[–]Dnile1000BC 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

I have no words. These guys need to be kicked out of tech.

[–]EAT_DA_POOPOO 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

AFAIK, they aren't in tech, they just circle around it like vultures trying to insert their ideology into what they see as easy targets.

[–]C4Cypher 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The idea really forks your dongles doesn't it?

[–]IE_5 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is already known. It's a shakedown game by some tranny and unfortunately enough idiots fall for it, see this and related discussions: https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3ad213/check_out_this_ridiculous_code_of_conduct_being/

[–]jaen-ni-rin 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Good thing I jumped ship from Ruby to Clojure. Though that won't probably give me all that much SJW-free time anyway, they're going to catch up eventually : X

[–]EAT_DA_POOPOO 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

In the process of moving to Clojure from Ruby, but I have a theory that the more functional a language is, the more resistant it is to SJW bullshit. If AGDA falls....

[–]badpandasinc 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Might have something to do with monads.

[–]EAT_DA_POOPOO 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It always has something to do with monads. Shit I think we just caused another 20 tutorials to spawn.

[–]NeonMan 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It actually requires you to think outside of the imperative box.

Very hard thing for SJW.

[–]jaen-ni-rin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, if anything hapeens to Clojure then my escape route is Haskell then Idris. So yeah, here's to hoping that a strong static type system keeps them SJWs out.

EDIT: now that I think about it they already have some foothold in Clojure - they guy who disinvited Urbit's creator from Strangeloop, Alex Miller, due to outrage is big in Clojure (core contributor I think), Bodil Stokke had a presenation about µKanren on the recent EuroClojure (apart from being apparently good at FP she was one of the outrage machines in the Urbit thing and she's also crayzay enough to flaunt having misandry as her hostname). I remember a weird female doing presentations in VIM about admittedly interesting topics, but being quite obnoxious in her mannerisms. Turned out she was trans - funny how that corelates (though hopefully she's just obnoxious, not unhinged). There've also been a diversity presentation at the recent EuroClojure, but I haven't watched that, so I'm not sure how (un)crazy that was.

So ugh, maybe it's already coming D :

[–]EAT_DA_POOPOO 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nothing insightful to add, but yeah, I saw that too. Pissed me off to no end and I felt a little dirty to be honest. It's like finding a note on your trusty hammer that it's now "ableist".

[–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm against safe spaces but I think safe spaces pre-date SJW's.

[–]Izkata 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Depends on which version you're talking about. The good/original ones do; I don't know about the modern incarnation.

[–]Cilph 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ruby is a shit language anyway. Stick with Python for scripting.

[–]EAT_DA_POOPOO 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

What exactly do you dislike about Ruby? Ruby and Python are quite similar (as far as languages go). I prefer Ruby for its implicitness.

[–]jaen-ni-rin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not sure what's his beef is with Ruby, but I can understand that Python might be seen as more readable than Ruby for simple shell scripting (well, apart from not having shell escape syntax).

But it's rigid focus on simplicity starts to work against it when you move on to big libs like Django or Rails. What I've seen of Django just reads awkwardly compared to Rails. Maybe he hates DSLs (which I love)? Or maybe he doesn't like that Ruby is flexible almost up to the eleven (which usually is not a problem, unless you have to debug Rails internals and things stop being fun)? Or maybe he just hates writing out ends (which I'm not a fan of either, but it's certainly not that bad as to discount a whole language on the basis of that)? Were it not about scripting maybe he could be talking about how Rails way works well only in small projects and starts to be actually harmful the bigger project becomes (I do quite agree here, but I don't imagine that Django is different enough).

Or it could be just the usual unreasonable dev hate, like where the best criticism a lot of people can muster about LISP is those fucking parentheses which basically amounts to it's different than what I'm used to, fuck you. Sadly quite a prevalent attitude among devs.

[–]MEMES_IN_MY_ASSHOLE@WeaponizedMemes 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know you're just venting but it's important not to hate a group of people, even if they are completely awful. SJW's are still people. A majority of them are narcissistic assholes but a good chunk of them mean well. The phenomenon of the "social justice warrior" is the result of dehumanization on the internet, and you can't solve that with further dehumanization. Show them respect, even if they don't do the same for you. Destroy their arguments, not their humanity.

[–]DroogDim 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hate them with dispassion. It's more pleasurable to engage them when your mind in not clouded. When you are weak, make them believe you are strong. When strong, make them believe you are weak. When few, have them believe we are many.

The great thing about SJWs is that they supply the ammunition with which to fight them.

[–]shirtlords 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

The fuck is a 'ruby gem' anyway?

[–]davispuh[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ruby is a scripting language and a "gem" is just basically Ruby library. Could also say it's a module. As always you can read about everything on wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RubyGems

[–]shirtlords 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

You know, I've been hearing about ruby for years, but the way people talk about it, one would think its a real language like c++ as opposed to a scripting language ;)

Thanks.

[–]Davoelkanator 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I actually know someone whose looking for a job in programming and he says that Ruby is the language that the employers want people to know now

[–]seiyria 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a regional thing. My particular region is heavy java and .net but plenty of places are ruby as well.

[–]Dwavenhobble 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Every time someone says "Safe Space" recently I really get to desire to metaphorically blow this safe wide open.

[–]Spoor 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

How long until "namespace" is renamed to "safespace"?

[–]Millenia0 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hate is such a strong word.

[–]ExplosionSanta 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I notice it refers to increasing quantity rather than quality of contributions.

[–]localacol 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

What is Ruby Gem and Bundler?

Confused since I am not a programmer..

[–]Viliam1234 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not a Ruby developer, but I guess:

Ruby Gem = installer of an application written in Ruby

Bundler = a tool that creates such installer for your Ruby application

That means, as a Ruby developer you write your program, and to deliver it to your customers (or fellow programmers) you need to create the "gem". You run a tool used for this purpose, and now the tool asks you whether you want to add "Code of Conduct" to your application, suggesting that you should; although you are free to refuse.

Some people are angry because they believe it is not appropriate for a general-purpose tool to try convince you of something political. Especially when people pushing for such politics otherwise do not contribute to the Ruby programmers' community. -- Because licenses like GNU GPL are also political, but the people who invented them also did many useful things for programmers. They were doing politics for the benefit of programmers (although many programmers disagree with them) while these SJWs are merely pushing their politics on programmers without providing anything in return.

[–]localacol 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah OK, it's like NSIS then.

Thanks for explaining (I was too lazy to Google it :P).

[–]ClueDispenser 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

fire back with http://nocodeofconduct.com/ncoc

[–]mostly_pixels 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I came across something similar when I was looking for Fmod tutorials. One of the sites the Fmod site here recommends for tutorials is Sound Librarian.

Now, if you go to Sound Librarian here and scroll around three quarters of the way down you'll see a post titled "Pay Gap Compensation for Women". I won't copy and paste the whole post here but it's basically them giving women a 20% discount on all their products because "women on average get paid less than men all around the world".

[–]Tumdace 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No point in getting fired up, it may not seem like it but there are alot more logical people in the world than illogical, otherwise there'd be chaos.

The problem is that the illogical people speak louder and more frequently.

Logic will prevail in the end, as its hard to prove something with "feels" vs actual facts.

[–]Velvet_Llama -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why does that bother you so much?