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26 year old woman from Ireland posts video about domestic abuse. (youtu.be)

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[–]Coldhardt 62ポイント63ポイント  (19子コメント)

This is US-centered study about the US population.

It is not, in any way, shape or form applicable to a woman in Ireland.

Ireland is a place where domestic violence is very, very common nearing 1/3 women suffering from any sort of domestic abuse and 1/11 women from severe physical abuse.

This isn't a skin color issue, it's a cultural issue.

Some of the highest rates of "first world" domestic violence are in white, homogeneous populations like Denmark, Ireland and Scotland -- ie areas where alcohol culture is common.

[–]AlwaysBeNice 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

This isn't a skin color issue, it's a cultural issue.

I'm surprised how many people still can't see this.

[–]wiretapp -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Getting drunk and slapping shit is irish tradition. you cant take it away from them.

[–]AtariBigby 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

I respectfully disagree with some of what you're saying. Statistics about domestic violence are very poor and values vary wildly. What constitutes domestic violence can be defined very differently by different countries and cultures. Take for example this study on domestic abuse in the EU.

http://fra.europa.eu/sites/default/files/fra-2014-vaw-survey-main-results-apr14_en.pdf

According to this study women in the Netherlands, Sweden, France and Finland reported having "experienced physical and/or sexual violence by current and/or previous partner" the most. Croatia and Poland had some of the lowest levels of domestic violence. This study also has Ireland with one of the lowest levels of domestic abuse.

What I'm trying to say is that what is classed as domestic violence varies massively from country with perhaps women in richer countries more likely to report domestic violence.

As such country to country and study to study values vary massively

Edit to say it's got nothing to do with race as somebody below thinks that's my point. No, my point is the violent dickheads exist all over the world

[–]Coldhardt 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

First off, the second study I linked, it clearly defines what is meant by domestic abuse (ie: emotional, physical and sexual) and what constitutes severe physical abuse (getting a beat down). That's the reason I made the distinction.

What I'm trying to say is that what is classed as domestic varies wildly from country to country as well as the figures varying wildly from study to study

Is this the study you're talking about? Because, if so, again, what constitutes abuse is clearly defined in the survey -- the same survey was given to all the participants. It's not a study looking at crime rates. It's a survey interviewing 42,000 people individually.

I do agree, though, statistics on domestic violence is very poor. It is definitely unrepresentative of the population. However the idea, generally speaking, it is that domestic violence is under-reported as both crimes and in surveys (the latter holding doubly true to men).

[–]AtariBigby 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes in that survey you have linked Ireland has one of the lowest incidences of domestic abuse where 15 % of women "have experienced physical and/or sexual violence by current and/or previous partner, or by any other person since the age of 15". Only 5 of the 28 EU states have lower levels.

That's my first point. In this study the low level of domestic abuse contradicts your numbers. The methodology, the phrasing of the question is different to your values. The values from study to study vary wildly.

My second point is that even within in studies like this where the question remains the same I don't have full faith in the data as women (and men) in different cultures and countries will define what physical and/or sexual violence is differently. According to the linked study women in the Nordic countries (Denmark 32 %, Finland 30 %, Sweden 28 %) are much more likely to have experienced domestic than women in Eastern Europe. With all due respect to Eastern Europeans I find that hard to believe

[–]Coldhardt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with your first point. The values DO vary from study to study wildly because each study defines domestic abuse differently. However, the EU survey you linked to, attempts to remedy that. That's literally the entire point of it. It even says so:

The results of existing national surveys are, however, not fully comparable for the following reasons: surveys focus on different groups (for example, with the youngest and oldest age groups differing); different sample sizes and sampling approaches are used (ranging from population databases through to random route sampling); different survey modes are used (face-toface interviews, telephone interviews, postal questionnaires; with and without interviewers); and – most importantly, which puts a limit on direct comparability – different interview questions are asked covering different subjects.

My second point is that even within in studies like this where the question remains the same I don't have full faith in the data as women (and men) in different cultures and countries will define physical and/or sexual violence is.

It's not up to the person to define whether or not you feel physically or sexually abused. Everyone in the study study you linked got asked the same questions. The researchers interpret the data. It's binary. Either yes or no. There's no room for interpretation.

[–]gizabla 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are wrong I live near the woman in the video and no one other than an American would think race any holds bearing on why this happens, an awful lot of people I know had this happen to them and they are white so I really don't see your point

[–]TheMackeroll 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's refreshing to see such a calm and respectful debate about a sensitive issue on the internet. Upvotes for all y'all.

[–]HCUKRI 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except in more developed countries people are much more likely to report domestic violence and in the UK violent crime can include shouting at people. It obviously isn't to do with skin colour, but there are certain other biological differences which could lead to differences in behaviour.

[–]Kruse -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is not, in any way, shape or form applicable to a woman in Ireland.

That's not their point.

And in the United States, domestic abuse is a large issue within African American communities and is just as much a "cultural" issue--and it's not racist to point that out.

[–]PaoIsACunt -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel like Ireland is a poor example because physicality is part of the culture, and it is in no way limited to men. Domestic violence is never acceptable for either party, but male victims of domestic abuse are massively underrepresented, and I'd imagine it would certainly be the case in Ireland where there's a particular stigma of "manhood".

I mean, even in her case, where obviously she was abused and its great that she got out of this toxic relationship and it's awesome that she's pressing charges, and if that guy caused the black eye he deserves to go to jail... but listening to her story when she learned about his cheating she "Went to the Gym to confront him" and then "threw his phone" leading up to the initial abuse.

So, she went to this public place to confront him about cheating. This was very likely the last thing from a civil discussion. At which point she takes his property and destroys it. Even if he was cheating on her, how is this even remotely acceptable behavior?

Again, this shouldn't warrant a physical response AT ALL. But the entire situation should be looked at as a whole. If you really want to prevent future domestic abuse, I think it's important to do that.

[–]PantsHasPockets -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

1/3 women suffering from any sort of domestic abuse and 1/11 women from severe physical abuse.

Some stereotypes are true.