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26 year old woman from Ireland posts video about domestic abuse. (youtu.be)

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[–]OliverDeBoys 48ポイント49ポイント  (67子コメント)

Statistics don't lie.

People say they're misleading only when they have an agenda to discredit or ignore what the statistics are showing.

I love her hastags, though. Strong, independent woman . . . who don't need no man?

[–]jackblack2323 61ポイント62ポイント  (45子コメント)

http://www.americanbar.org/groups/domestic_violence/resources/statistics/Race_Ethnicity_Statisitcs.html

Overall, African Americans were victimized by intimate partners a significantly higher rates than persons of any other race between 1993 and 1998. Black females experienced intimate partner violence at a rate 35% higher than that of white females, and about 22 times the rate of women of other races.

Surely a rate of 22 times higher than other races can't just be a small problem. The political correctness in the world is so bad that i'm scared of being banned for even posting these statistics.

[–]Coldhardt 51ポイント52ポイント  (15子コメント)

This is US-centered study about the US population.

It is not, in any way, shape or form applicable to a woman in Ireland.

Ireland is a place where domestic violence is very, very common nearing 1/3 women suffering from any sort of domestic abuse and 1/11 women from severe physical abuse.

This isn't a skin color issue, it's a cultural issue.

Some of the highest rates of "first world" domestic violence are in white, homogeneous populations like Denmark, Ireland and Scotland -- ie areas where alcohol culture is common.

[–]AlwaysBeNice 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

This isn't a skin color issue, it's a cultural issue.

I'm surprised how many people still can't see this.

[–]AtariBigby 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

I respectfully disagree with some of what you're saying. Statistics about domestic violence are very poor and values vary wildly. What constitutes domestic violence can be defined very differently by different countries and cultures. Take for example this study on domestic abuse in the EU.

http://fra.europa.eu/sites/default/files/fra-2014-vaw-survey-main-results-apr14_en.pdf

According to this study women in the Netherlands, Sweden, France and Finland reported having "experienced physical and/or sexual violence by current and/or previous partner" the most. Croatia and Poland had some of the lowest levels of domestic violence. This study also has Ireland with one of the lowest levels of domestic abuse.

What I'm trying to say is that what is classed as domestic violence varies massively from country with perhaps women in richer countries more likely to report domestic violence.

As such country to country and study to study values vary massively

Edit to say it's got nothing to do with race as somebody below thinks that's my point. No, my point is the violent dickheads exist all over the world

[–]Coldhardt 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

First off, the second study I linked, it clearly defines what is meant by domestic abuse (ie: emotional, physical and sexual) and what constitutes severe physical abuse (getting a beat down). That's the reason I made the distinction.

What I'm trying to say is that what is classed as domestic varies wildly from country to country as well as the figures varying wildly from study to study

Is this the study you're talking about? Because, if so, again, what constitutes abuse is clearly defined in the survey -- the same survey was given to all the participants. It's not a study looking at crime rates. It's a survey interviewing 42,000 people individually.

I do agree, though, statistics on domestic violence is very poor. It is definitely unrepresentative of the population. However the idea, generally speaking, it is that domestic violence is under-reported as both crimes and in surveys (the latter holding doubly true to men).

[–]AtariBigby 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes in that survey you have linked Ireland has one of the lowest incidences of domestic abuse where 15 % of women "have experienced physical and/or sexual violence by current and/or previous partner, or by any other person since the age of 15". Only 5 of the 28 EU states have lower levels.

That's my first point. In this study the low level of domestic abuse contradicts your numbers. The methodology, the phrasing of the question is different to your values. The values from study to study vary wildly.

My second point is that even within in studies like this where the question remains the same I don't have full faith in the data as women (and men) in different cultures and countries will define what physical and/or sexual violence is differently. According to the linked study women in the Nordic countries (Denmark 32 %, Finland 30 %, Sweden 28 %) are much more likely to have experienced domestic than women in Eastern Europe. With all due respect to Eastern Europeans I find that hard to believe

[–]gizabla 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are wrong I live near the woman in the video and no one other than an American would think race any holds bearing on why this happens, an awful lot of people I know had this happen to them and they are white so I really don't see your point

[–]TheMackeroll 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's refreshing to see such a calm and respectful debate about a sensitive issue on the internet. Upvotes for all y'all.

[–]HCUKRI 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except in more developed countries people are much more likely to report domestic violence and in the UK violent crime can include shouting at people. It obviously isn't to do with skin colour, but there are certain other biological differences which could lead to differences in behaviour.

[–]PaoIsACunt -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel like Ireland is a poor example because physicality is part of the culture, and it is in no way limited to men. Domestic violence is never acceptable for either party, but male victims of domestic abuse are massively underrepresented, and I'd imagine it would certainly be the case in Ireland where there's a particular stigma of "manhood".

I mean, even in her case, where obviously she was abused and its great that she got out of this toxic relationship and it's awesome that she's pressing charges, and if that guy caused the black eye he deserves to go to jail... but listening to her story when she learned about his cheating she "Went to the Gym to confront him" and then "threw his phone" leading up to the initial abuse.

So, she went to this public place to confront him about cheating. This was very likely the last thing from a civil discussion. At which point she takes his property and destroys it. Even if he was cheating on her, how is this even remotely acceptable behavior?

Again, this shouldn't warrant a physical response AT ALL. But the entire situation should be looked at as a whole. If you really want to prevent future domestic abuse, I think it's important to do that.

[–]why_would_i_lie_ -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right, black guys around the world are much better? Grow a pair you fuck.

[–]PantsHasPockets -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

1/3 women suffering from any sort of domestic abuse and 1/11 women from severe physical abuse.

Some stereotypes are true.

[–]fleckes 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Black females experienced intimate partner violence at a rate 35% higher than that of white females, and about 22 times the rate of women of other races.

Surely a rate of 22 times higher than other races can't just be a small problem

OK, there's a good chance I don't quite understand this correctly, but to me it reads as if it says more about the incredible low rate of non-black and non-white females (I guess that leaves mostly Asians?) that experience (or at least report to the police) domestic violence.

Black females experience 35% more domestic violence than white females. That's of course quite a bit. But the "22 times more than other races" reads to me like it's about all the other, not-yet-mentioned races so excluding both black and white.

So I think your "Surely a rate of 22 times higher than other races can't just be a small problem" point is misstating the statistic quite a bit if you just want to make a point about domestic violence regarding black women

The major conjecture I'd draw from the statistic you quoted is that Asian women don't seem to go to the American police if they get beaten, or that in Asian households women really do experience domestic violence on a much smaller level compared to white and black households.

Edit: Reading the site you linked a bit further, Asian women actually do seem to be major outliers when it comes to experiencing (or at least reporting) domestic violence:

12.8% of Asian and Pacific Islander women reported experiencing physical assault by an intimate partner at least once during their lifetime; 3.8% reported having been raped. The rate of physical assault was lower than those reported by Whites (21.3%); African-Americans (26.3%); Hispanic, of any race, (21.2%); mixed race (27.0%); and American Indians and Alaskan Natives (30.7%). The low rate for Asian and Pacific Islander women may be attributed to underreporting.

[–]N8CCRG 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

i'm scared of being banned for even posting these statistics.

LOL!!!

[–]purpleclouds 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would be interested to see the results of a similar study that uses income as the variable, rather than race.

[–]You_Dont_Party 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

The political correctness in the world is so bad that i'm scared of being banned for even posting these statistics.

Oh shut up, you're not worried that that will occur. Stop being dramatic.

[–]Penguin_Party12345 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Am mod, get a lot of requests for far less racially bigoted responses to ban people. Fortunately, in /r/agnostic I leave all comments as long as it is to engage in an open, stimulating dialogue. The only time I've had to ban/remove comments is from morale Christian crusaders who DON'T engage as part of the discussion, but just throw insults and tell everyone they are going to hell etc.

[–]stenern 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Surely a rate of 22 times higher than other races can't just be a small problem

It surely would help if you could read the things you quote, or at least if you wouldn't omit important points.

I was never good at maths, but something like this would look really catchy on its own as well, about white women experiencing domestic violence:

"Surely a rate of 15 times higher than other races can't just be a small problem"

I left out the domestic violence black women experience to make this stat more catchy, like you left out the white women to make your point more catchy (or you simply didn't understand the statistic you quoted) because the "22 times the rate of women of other races" leaves out white women, otherwise the previously mentioned 35% wouldn't make any sense

[–]bleunt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The political correctness in the world

That's not it. No one's denying the facts. But some people say "because they're black", while others look at social structures that cause it. I'm just curious as to why the same people who say "because they're black and therefore bad people" don't say the same thing about men -- they're men and therefore bad people. How overrepresented are men in violent crime? Should we just say it's because they're men, or should we look at social structures as well?

[–]Mister__Nobody -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can we just start referring to being banned as being Ellen POWED?

[–]imakemorefreshaccoun -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

i'm scared of being banned for even posting these statistics

That's what it feels like to be right. Either get used to it or start following the herd

[–]tpsmc 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Statistics don't lie.

54% of women are battered, and all this time i have been eating mine plain.

[–]DuckMoped 11ポイント12ポイント  (15子コメント)

NUMBERS don't lie. people do. if you want to do the proper analysis then control the variables. you will find out that socio-economic factors have a lot more to do with violence than THE FUCKING TAN OF SOMEBODY'S SKIN

[–]98198 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

well actually, numbers/statistics can lie and/or be grossly manipulated.

"There are three kinds of lies; lies, damned lies and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli

[–]OvesGatukok 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

This is from Ireland though. The massive inequality in the US don't exist there.

[–]Curvatureland 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is also one video, so trying to draw any form of socio-economic/racial conclusions in ireland based on one video is silly and you'd think that'd be obvious.

[–]Desper 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you saying that the skin color or a person inherently makes them more likely to beat women? Have you been to school?

[–]reed311 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

According to Pew, Ireland and the UK have more inequality than the USA before taxes. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/12/19/global-inequality-how-the-u-s-compares/

[–]WhateverWasIThinking 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ehh, she's from Ballymun one of the most socially deprived areas in the country, and white people beat their partners there too.

[–]mkultra50000 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

you sure about that sparky?

[–]Tigerstrike901 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're right man. If this dude had money like floyd mayweather maybe he wouldn't have socked his wife...wait....

[–]colucci 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Question - it's very fashionable to say that X and Y are caused by socio-economic reasons, and not biological reasons. For example, you're not violent because you're black but because your family is poor; you're not great at school because you're asian but because you study all the time; you didn't get the job not because you're a less-qualified woman, but because men discriminate against you. So on and so on.

Is there any scientific backing for any of these claims? I see it thrown around as if it's common knowledge.

[–]blacklivesmatter2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it's a matter of correlation. X and Y correlate more so with socio-economic standing than, say, race. An example would be violent crime. High rates of violent crime correlate more so with poverty levels and population density, than race.

[–]gizabla 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy shit you are fucking simple minded

[–]reddotownzu -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its not the tan of somebody's skin that makes them more prone to violence, nobody ever said that - it is the increased level of testosterone and many other physiological/anatomical factors that lead to an increase in levels of aggression. It just happens that people of African descent have these physiological and anatomical differences. Same way they have certain genes that make them not absorb or react to certain pharmacologic drugs, same way they have genes that make them more predisposed to sickle cell anemia and many other things.

It just skin color is the easiest to observe and name, so that's what people go for. Also, the faster we acknowledge this as society, the faster we can cater to specific racial differences without the dumb assumption that every human being (race, gender, etc etc) is identical to each other.

[–]dont_stop_smee_now -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually even when you take into account socio-economic factors violence still ties into skin colour. And like others said this is in the U.K so that excuse doesn't really fly.

[–]Arn_Thor 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

uh, Irish statistics don't lie either. Alcoholism and violence go hand in hand. I bet you my bottom dollar that man heads to the pub for a pint too many

[–]Pen15Pump 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do black people go to pubs?

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[–]liarandathief 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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