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[–]NomadStrategy 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

when the attack vector is fixed

[–]tsontar 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly.

To be clear, that vector is an arbitrarily low block size limit exacerbated by the very poor way wallets handle default fees.

If wallets responded gracefully to this situation two things would happen :

  1. Once the "attack" started, wallets would start raising the suggested fee for users wishing to make transactions.

  2. As the required fee starts immediate floating up, the "attacker" quickly has to raise his fees or have his transactions denied. This would make such an attack much more expensive, much more quickly

Since wallets don't do this by default, and since users have no information with which to decide what fee to pay, almost everybody pays the default fee. Pricing information never makes it from the miners to the users.

Hopefully this helps explain just how important it is to rapidly get people off of wallets that set a fixed default fee and onto wallets that dynamically calculate a fee based on network conditions and user requirement. If everybody was already using such a wallet, the current attack would be much more expensive, and valid transactions would pretty much all be going through.

[–]Not_Pictured 16ポイント17ポイント  (9子コメント)

When the attacker decided to stop spending the money to do it.

[–]worstime[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

any info on btctalk? any links to look at?

[–]Goodtimery 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Unfortunately they don't seem to communitcate.

Yesterday presumably one of them posted private keys to addresses used in the attack that still had Bitcoins in them (in many small outputs though). He/she did not provide further information.

See Here and Here

[–]TogetherAs1 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The second link was entertaining. Thank you!

[–]SatoshisGhost 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It looks like they are giving clues

Someone told me that only the best people are allowed on reddit so I think its safe.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3cf6qg/need_help_moving_coins_to_new_address/csuxnoe

[–]gwlloyd 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's probably coinwallet.eu since they started all this and soon stopped posting after they received a lot of deservedly bad comments. A backfired PR exercise that whomever runs coinwallet.eu is so egotistical they still want to continue regardless, just anonymously.

[–]jstolfi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Search for "stress test" in this subreddit. Coinwallet.eu posted a report after the previous attempt, and other information about the tests. They claimed to have 5000 euros budgeted for it.

[–]coinx-ltc -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

You only need 1.5 bitcoin to send 144000 tx daily. Very cheap for a person who is trying to make a point or wants to destroy bitcoin.

[–]Not_Pictured 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, this person is spending far more than that.

[–]tsontar 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Make a point, yes.

Destroy Bitcoin, no. All the attacker is doing is increasing the minimum fee required to get a transaction through by maybe a penny.

[–]mughat 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hopefully never. Bitcoin is in the business of processing transactions. A lot of transactions is a good sign as long as the fee is profitable for the network.

If there is any problem it is not the number of transactions.

[–]tsontar 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Not a test.

Tests are announced in advance.

[–]willsteel 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think shortly after Litecoin is getting dumped to oblivion.

[–]johschieb 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Heh. I'd say that is not a bad guess

[–]Underthetable2 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Please stop calling it a stress test.

[–]coinx-ltc 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

When node opertors requier a 10000 satoshi minimum fee. Or hopefully with bitcoin core 0.11 (probably going to increase the minimum fee).

[–]allenpiscitello 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Once the litecoin pump turns to dump.

[–]makaronin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seeing ~80,000 unconfirmed transactions is a bit worrisome. What would happen if someone else will run one more (or many) stress tests?

[–]waxwing 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The stress tests will continue until morale improves.

[–]webdisplay -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

I honestly do not care anymore if they continue this for 1 week, 2 weeks or a month. I'm positive that the outcome of this is a consensus on the blocksize debate.

[–]cedivad 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

How? And what consensus? I don't see any.

[–]webdisplay 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just feel that there will be a better understanding on the real capacity of the bitcoin network that wouldn't compromise the ideal decentralization pushed by core devs. The community will let it scale as long as technology permits.

[–]invertedNormal 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll upvote you. Consensus good.

[–]cypherdoc2 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Never, I'd guess. Not until they lift the limit. It's too cheap for them. Especially when they can just recycle the fees from deleted unconfirmed TX's.

[–]ncsakira -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Relax guys, attacker only want to crash the price so he can get cheap coins. A business as usual day in bitcoinland...