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26 year old woman from Ireland posts video about domestic abuse. (youtu.be)

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[–]Clawedd 59ポイント60ポイント  (45子コメント)

The kid looks black. Reddit is going to have a field day with this.

[–]OliverDeBoys 42ポイント43ポイント  (44子コメント)

Statistics don't lie.

People say they're misleading only when they have an agenda to discredit or ignore what the statistics are showing.

I love her hastags, though. Strong, independent woman . . . who don't need no man?

[–]Arn_Thor 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

uh, Irish statistics don't lie either. Alcoholism and violence go hand in hand. I bet you my bottom dollar that man heads to the pub for a pint too many

[–]jackblack2323 30ポイント31ポイント  (30子コメント)

http://www.americanbar.org/groups/domestic_violence/resources/statistics/Race_Ethnicity_Statisitcs.html

Overall, African Americans were victimized by intimate partners a significantly higher rates than persons of any other race between 1993 and 1998. Black females experienced intimate partner violence at a rate 35% higher than that of white females, and about 22 times the rate of women of other races.

Surely a rate of 22 times higher than other races can't just be a small problem. The political correctness in the world is so bad that i'm scared of being banned for even posting these statistics.

[–]Coldhardt 31ポイント32ポイント  (6子コメント)

This is US-centered study about the US population.

It is not, in any way, shape or form applicable to a woman in Ireland.

Ireland is a place where domestic violence is very, very common nearing 1/3 women suffering from any sort of domestic abuse and 1/11 women from severe physical abuse.

This isn't a skin color issue, it's a cultural issue.

Some of the highest rates of "first world" domestic violence are in white, homogeneous populations like Denmark, Ireland and Scotland -- ie areas where alcohol culture is common.

[–]AtariBigby 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I respectfully disagree with some of what you're saying. Statistics about domestic violence are very poor and values vary wildly. What constitutes domestic violence can be defined very differently by different countries and cultures. Take for example this study on domestic abuse in the EU.

http://fra.europa.eu/sites/default/files/fra-2014-vaw-survey-main-results-apr14_en.pdf

According to this study women in the Netherlands, Sweden, France and Finland reported having "experienced physical and/or sexual violence by current and/or previous partner" the most. Croatia and Poland had some of the lowest levels of domestic violence. This study also has Ireland with one of the lowest levels of domestic abuse.

What I'm trying to say is that what is classed as domestic violence varies massively from country with perhaps women in richer countries more likely to report domestic violence.

As such country to country and study to study values vary massively

[–]fleckes 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Black females experienced intimate partner violence at a rate 35% higher than that of white females, and about 22 times the rate of women of other races.

Surely a rate of 22 times higher than other races can't just be a small problem

OK, there's a good chance I don't quite understand this correctly, but to me it reads as if it says more about the incredible low rate of non-black and non-white females (I guess that leaves mostly Asians?) that experience (or at least report to the police) domestic violence.

Black females experience 35% more domestic violence than white females. That's of course quite a bit. But the "22 times more than other races" reads to me like it's about all the other, not-yet-mentioned races so excluding both black and white.

So I think your "Surely a rate of 22 times higher than other races can't just be a small problem" point is misstating the statistic quite a bit if you just want to make a point about domestic violence regarding black women

The major conjecture I'd draw from the statistic you quoted is that Asian women don't seem to go to the American police if they get beaten, or that in Asian households women really do experience domestic violence on a much smaller level compared to white and black households.

Edit: Reading the site you linked a bit further, Asian women actually do seem to be major outliers when it comes to experiencing (or at least reporting) domestic violence:

12.8% of Asian and Pacific Islander women reported experiencing physical assault by an intimate partner at least once during their lifetime; 3.8% reported having been raped. The rate of physical assault was lower than those reported by Whites (21.3%); African-Americans (26.3%); Hispanic, of any race, (21.2%); mixed race (27.0%); and American Indians and Alaskan Natives (30.7%). The low rate for Asian and Pacific Islander women may be attributed to underreporting.

[–]You_Dont_Party 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

The political correctness in the world is so bad that i'm scared of being banned for even posting these statistics.

Oh shut up, you're not worried that that will occur. Stop being dramatic.

[–]Penguin_Party12345 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Am mod, get a lot of requests for far less racially bigoted responses to ban people. Fortunately, in /r/agnostic I leave all comments as long as it is to engage in an open, stimulating dialogue. The only time I've had to ban/remove comments is from morale Christian crusaders who DON'T engage as part of the discussion, but just throw insults and tell everyone they are going to hell etc.

[–]You_Dont_Party -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't doubt you get all sorts of ridiculous requests, but even you say you wouldn't ban him for this.

[–]Penguin_Party12345 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you are a mod of a sub over (I forget how many people) you are automatically submitted to a mod subreddit. There are some mods out there that would come close to banning stuff like this. They are probably the crazier ones, but still there are major subreddits out there in which this would happen.

[–]imakemorefreshaccoun 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

i'm scared of being banned for even posting these statistics

That's what it feels like to be right. Either get used to it or start following the herd

[–]DuckMoped 6ポイント7ポイント  (10子コメント)

NUMBERS don't lie. people do. if you want to do the proper analysis then control the variables. you will find out that socio-economic factors have a lot more to do with violence than THE FUCKING TAN OF SOMEBODY'S SKIN

[–]OvesGatukok 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

This is from Ireland though. The massive inequality in the US don't exist there.

[–]WhateverWasIThinking 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ehh, she's from Ballymun one of the most socially deprived areas in the country, and white people beat their partners there too.

[–]Curvatureland 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is also one video, so trying to draw any form of socio-economic/racial conclusions in ireland based on one video is silly and you'd think that'd be obvious.

[–]reed311 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

According to Pew, Ireland and the UK have more inequality than the USA before taxes. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/12/19/global-inequality-how-the-u-s-compares/

[–]Desper 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you saying that the skin color or a person inherently makes them more likely to beat women? Have you been to school?

[–]mkultra50000 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

you sure about that sparky?

[–]98198 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

well actually, numbers/statistics can lie and/or be grossly manipulated.

"There are three kinds of lies; lies, damned lies and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli

[–]colucci 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Question - it's very fashionable to say that X and Y are caused by socio-economic reasons, and not biological reasons. For example, you're not violent because you're black but because your family is poor; you're not great at school because you're asian but because you study all the time; you didn't get the job not because you're a less-qualified woman, but because men discriminate against you. So on and so on.

Is there any scientific backing for any of these claims? I see it thrown around as if it's common knowledge.

[–]reddotownzu -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its not the tan of somebody's skin that makes them more prone to violence, nobody ever said that - it is the increased level of testosterone and many other physiological/anatomical factors that lead to an increase in levels of aggression. It just happens that people of African descent have these physiological and anatomical differences. Same way they have certain genes that make them not absorb or react to certain pharmacologic drugs, same way they have genes that make them more predisposed to sickle cell anemia and many other things.

It just skin color is the easiest to observe and name, so that's what people go for. Also, the faster we acknowledge this as society, the faster we can cater to specific racial differences without the dumb assumption that every human being (race, gender, etc etc) is identical to each other.

[–]dont_stop_smee_now -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually even when you take into account socio-economic factors violence still ties into skin colour. And like others said this is in the U.K so that excuse doesn't really fly.

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