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[–]Danielle_S 11ポイント12ポイント  (7子コメント)

These questionable communities served as agents of political socialization. From here I “learned” women generally weren’t gamers — and if they were, it was almost definitely just to get a guy’s attention, as well as many other dubious beliefs the sordid spectrum of the gaming community holds

Where in the hell is this supposedly happening?

[–]md1957[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wouldn't be surprised if he got it from sites like Salon. Aka, the site said article's published in.

[–]Danielle_S 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Even in vanilla and TBC, wow had the best ratio of men to women I've seen in a game. Maybe that wasn't the case as it was the first game I extensively used voice chat for. I find it hard to believe that those forums were filled with people claiming that women weren't gamers. I would have called them idiots and moved on.

[–]md1957[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good point.

Still, it's telling how articles like this are being used to push their crumbling narratives. Bonus points if those pieces drop in all the usual suspects that ideologues condemn.

[–]DeadGamerWalking 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

At least they had the decency to not gamedrop

[–]redgoldblue 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

back in the 90s and early 00s, it was a thing. its when "no girls on the internet" became a meme, because it was objectively true. there were no girls on the internet.

[–]Danielle_S 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I lived through it. It didn't mean there actually weren't any girls on the internet, it's that there was no way of knowing. The person you were chatting with could have been an old guy for all you know.

[–]IllusoryIntelligence 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It may have been used differently in different places but I definitely recall no girls on the internet as the reason you didn't hit on someone just because they had a female character or avatar.

[–]Guncriminal 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

It sounds like an SJW trying to play-act as what he imagines his political opponents sounds like. People like this don't tend to do very well at ideological Turing tests, as Jonathan Haidt discovered.

"How do you do, fellow kids." indeed.

[–]Splutch 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is exactly it. It's propaganda. They plant these "salvation" stories of someone coming to terms with their "conservatism" like it's some sickness, and embracing social justice. It's fucking creepy. It's to say to the reader "you too can leave your shitlord ways and adopt our way of thinking, we embrace you." It really is cult like.

[–]md1957[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've seen more than my fair share of the online ideological and radical cliques...and in addition to proving Poe's Law and validating the horseshoe theory, it's not something I wish on anyone.

[–]Guncriminal 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They're unfamiliar with ideas outside their cult hugbox, other than (usually) badly-written critiques. Articles like this are the inevitable result.

[–]Damascene_2014 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

This article has certainly enlightened me.

I give more respect to Brony forums than Salon now.

Also, I never saw Adventure Time but Bravest Warriors owns them all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrviEBJyx3g

[–]md1957[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's definitely kept that Adventure Time spirit, that's for sure!

Also, you might like hetalia as well. Sure, it pops up quite a bit on Tumblr, but that series' existence is one big finger at the PC and SJW crowd.

[–]Mefenes 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

religiously watched Carl Sagan and Neil deGrasse Tyson YouTube videos.

And what is wrong with watching science divulgation, exactly?

These guys are the counter-enlightment, they are trying to forgo all rationality and science in favor of their bullshit quasi-religious ideology.

[–]md1957[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Those people still insist on some form of rationality, albeit one that's a warped dogmatism that puts feels over reals.

[–]redgoldblue -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

counter enlightenment hits the nail on the head.

[–]INH5 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

I felt like a god the first time I got another post banned by provoking him to break the rules – a pathetic, metal-mouthed, pimply-faced, oily-skinned god but a god none the less.

“I did it,” I thought to myself in a dark room filled with empty Taco Bell cups.

“I did it. YES. YESSS.” My manic grin spread from one end of the solar system to the other. “I did it. YESSSS. Yess. HAH HAH HAH!” System of a Down may or may not have been playing in the background.


My libertarian ethos merged with my niche gaming forum persona at this point. On my gaming forum troll account, I posted increasingly paranoid and erratic threads about guns, bitcoins, silver and the impending economic collapse. They banned me. Fortunately, I achieved enough notoriety for a “famous” poster to invite me to a different forum — a digital Valhalla where all the people banned from that gaming forum got to live and troll once more. This happened a few weeks before my banishment.

I logged into this forum. “My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic” fan art, everywhere, posted by the most hardcore bronies.

I insulted them for being “pony-fuckers.” That effort failed to rile them up. I posted an “I watch for the plot” image macro — a meme implying men watch the show solely to fantasize about fucking cartoon ponies. The forum moderator – a devout priest of the MLP fandom – insisted I watch the show. Like a guy in your MFA, he said I didn’t posses the intellect to understand the show’s emotional significance and societal critiques. “Why don’t you actually try watching the show before you criticize it?”

You're not kidding when you say this sounds like a warped version of conversion stories written by members of the Religious Right. I once read one of those essays where the author described how Dungeons and Dragons lured him into getting involved with the occult until he found Jesus and saw the light, and I'm getting a serious sense of deja vu reading this. The only thing missing is a call to prayer at the end.

[–]Guncriminal 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm getting a serious sense of deja vu reading this

The "Dark Dungeons" tract, right? No one builds a straw man quite like Jack Chick.

[–]INH5 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, the guy was a fan of Chick (yes, the guy has actual legitimate fans), and this was an essay where he claimed that he actually got interested in the occult and started practicing magic as a result of playing Dungeons and Dragons. It sounds pretty plausible, as some overlap between 1980s RPG and occult communities wouldn't be surprising.

I think the phenomenon of apostates leaping to the extreme opposite position of the one they previously held is due to them having personality traits that are especially conductive to fanaticism, which apply regardless of what specific idea they devote themselves to.

[–]redgoldblue 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

makes sense that this guy was from SA and then became a newfag ponyfag on 4chan

[–]Aeashml 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Errr you what mate? I can't even bring myself to make a cult joke this honestly sounds like when my Religious mate starts on one of his "I'm such a disgusting sinner" spiels

[–]md1957[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Something about horseshoe theory in there...

[–]Aeashml 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Really I'm just starting to feel bad for some of these people. It cannot be good for someone to be that convinced they were basically Satan.

[–]md1957[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Indeed. A recurring aspect is the self-loathing, bitterness and some desire to project that misery on everyone while calling it "positive" change.

[–]UrUrshurak 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

I can just imagine this dipshit walking into a classroom, putting baseball cap backwards, turning a chair around to sit down and lean on the back of it in an effort to "rap" with us.

Or maybe something like http://img.pandawhale.com/76392-How-do-you-do-fellow-kids-30-r-fq7d.png

[–]md1957[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's telling when Steve Buscemi does a far better job reaching out to people than Wu.

[–]pkunkfury 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was a grand black wizard witchdoctor and helped sacrifice babies before I was rescued from the sinful grasp of DnD by the grace of my personal lord and savior gaben.

[–]Chris23235 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

From the author's Twitter Page:

Matt Saccaro ‏@MattSaccaro Jan 17

By the way, I recant everything I ever said on here over the last 4 years so it can't be used against me now. Thanks.

[–]md1957[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

So much for taking responsibility.

[–]its_never_lupus 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

They're trying to shift the narrative to actually demonise Carl Sagan? Socjus have no decency at all.

[–]ac4l 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think he got a bit lost since /r/thathappened went private, and accidentally posted to Salon.

[–]DonQuixoteLaMancha 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

"My descent to Equestria was a wake-up call. These were the kinds of places I was hanging out in. This was the kind of person I was becoming. I needed to get out."

just replace Equestria with D&D, libertarian with satanist and dudebro with athiest and you'd struggle to tell this apart from those christian right videos of the 80s

[–]HatredsBlazingGun 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

"When I graduated college, it felt like emerging from a hazy dream. How could I have believed all that? What was the point of the last decade or so of my Internet activity?"

Well there's your problem. Whole worldview changes while going through the Marxist indoctrination camps we call "college".

[–]CrazyInAnInsaneWorld 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Salon's published this piece of work from Matt Saccaro, which sounds like a warped version of those "I was converted to the light" pieces from hard-Religious Right websites.

Without a “liberal” counterweight, I believed what I saw on these forums instead of questioning it.

And then you entered an environment with no "conservative" counterweight to keep you grounded and balanced, and you experienced the same problem, in reciprocation.

Isn't it funny how the most inhumanely zealous adherents to any ideology are the converts that jumped ship from an opposing ideology? The most puritanical "progressives" mostly come from middle-class conservative-leaning families, it seems. It's almost as if they're trying to prove something...as if there's anything to prove that wouldn't be self-evident, much like the Convert singing praises to a deity in the middle of the chapel louder than everyone else to convince everyone he really does have faith.

[–]Chris23235 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

This guy tells me he converted to Libertanism and became a hardcore libertarian just to drop this attitude after he watched an episode of "My little Pony: Friendship is Magic" and didn't found it as great as "Adventure Time"?

What I just have read? How are all these completely unrelated episodes in his life are connected, why does it not make sense even in the slightest way? Why does he think I as a reader should care about him? He is somebody who threw out his ideology more then once over the course of the last 10 years, why should I think this time he is for real?

A SJ troll is a troll like any other troll.

[–]md1957[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good point. The piece come to think of it does feel like he traded one trolling platform for another.

[–]mnemosyne-0000#BotYourShield 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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[–]redgoldblue 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

OMG. i do remember those porn maps in SC. those were fucking awesome! also its pretty funny that this dude didnt know how to format his computer to purge it of herpes

[–]DestroySocialJustice -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

We need to write articles like this, but about anti social justice, complete with words like "legbeard", "feminazi" etc.