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[–]Eviljim 76ポイント77ポイント  (70子コメント)

How do they calculate these windows?

[–]JasonCox 155ポイント156ポイント  (60子コメント)

Math. Lot's of math.

[–]MoltenToastWizard 143ポイント144ポイント  (54子コメント)

its worse than that... its physics, Jim

[–]platoprime 26ポイント27ポイント  (47子コメント)

Which is not math somehow?

[–]Reese_Tora 74ポイント75ポイント  (40子コメント)

[–]IntrovertedPendulum -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's math with very different rules.

[–]platoprime 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

What rules?

There are many types of math with many different sets of axioms but they are all still math.

[–]brickmaster32000 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you define everything that uses math to be math then yes. Projectile motion can be described by quadratic equations but quadratic equations are not projectile motion. One is an application of the other.

Physics may use mathematics principles but those principles are useless until someone figures out which ones should be applied to different situations. Its kind of like saying a carpenter is simply a hammer. Physics is more then just the tools used.

[–]SemiMajorAxisOfEvil 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, I'm pretty sure the carpenter is just math too.

[–]-Rivox- 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The rules are the same, it's just applied to a very specific field that is physics.

As Galileo said, the book of nature is written in mathematical language, which we must comprehend to comprehend our universe. Such an incredible and brilliant discover BTW, a true genius.

[–]Drzhivago138 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Always going forward, 'cuz we can't find reverse.

[–]takaznik 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCARADb9asE

For those that may not get this reference. Heard this song on Dr. Demento as a kid.

[–]NovaDose 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh god...

Whats the prognosis doc, give it to me straight?

[–]CookieDunk -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

His name is Jason. Jason cocks.

[–]Eviljim 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of course! Why didn't I think of that! ; )

[–]AnalBenevolence 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

In space travel, the numbers are... awful

So I imagine the ESA spent lots of time in restaurants

[–]TThor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Math. Not even once.

[–]HeIsntMe 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

A really, really big excel workbook.

[–]chicknblenderMaster Kerbalnaught 18ポイント19ポイント  (4子コメント)

"A tremendous number of calculations considering multiple variables must be performed to discover all the possible trajectories available and their unique characteristics in a given launch opportunity. Porkchop plots are visualizations that allow mission planners to view key parameters that must be considered."

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/spotlight/porkchopAll.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porkchop_plot

[–]__PROMETHEUS__ 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I just LOVE porkchop plots - so much information provided in such a clean, succinct way.

[–]parplayaz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I also eat porkchops. If its plotted correctly.

[–]Joker1337 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I remember those plots from grad school. Good grief they were hard to calculate. So hard I never calculated one.

[–]skeetsauce 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Super computers chug through hundreds of thousands of different trajectories to find the most efficient one.

[–]chicknblenderMaster Kerbalnaught 229ポイント230ポイント  (27子コメント)

I know this technically violates Rule 2, but dammit this is probably more interesting to KSPers than to the general audience at /r/space. Seems like maybe that rule needs a revision.

[–]RedbiertjeThe Challenger[M] 162ポイント163ポイント  (13子コメント)

Indeed, it's not exactly KSP-related, but if anybody would appreciate this GIF, it'd be KSP players.

[–]SpddracerMaster Kerbalnaut 60ポイント61ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thankyou guys for having the common sense to let some stuff slide. I actually thought I was viewing this from /r/space before I looked.

[–]deijavu 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

It definitely is, despite the fact that I subscribe to the "push it out the door and hope it makes it to space" school of KSP gameplay.

[–]inucune 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

Moar boosters! bigger tank! Moar Struts!

And yes, the backflip at 20k is normal, we just cut engine and relight it another 2k up when the rocket is pointed towards space again. drag and shifting COM and whatnot.

[–]TheGonadWarrior 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The ol' flip n' burn. Also the name of my grilling technique.

[–]Anub-arak 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

I seriously thought I was the only one.

[–]Sanityzzz 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I wonder if theres 2 groups of kspers. Those who consider a flip a failed launch, and those of us who yhink its natural.

[–]inucune 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

depends on if you can 360, 720, or only 180.

[–]Anub-arak 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I put rockets on my nose cone for this purpose exactly.

[–]JamesTrendall 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is KSP related just edit the title to say "Can anyone on KSP replicate this?" Its KSP enough i would guess.

[–]Sungolf 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Okay, somebody please tell me, what are all these rules everyone but me knows about? Rule 5, rule 2, is there a list somewhere?

[–]yourflyisdwn 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

In the side bar under "Rules:"

[–]sunburnedaz 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you are on mobile the sidebar does not show up so you might have to open reddit in the browser to see it.

[–]a10t2Master Kerbalnaut 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's one of the options under the "…" (more) menu.

[–]dableuf 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

All subreddit have a set of rules in the sidebar,on the right hand side of the screen.

[–]Njdevils11 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This kills me. Hahaha I posted this exact video almost a year ago and got flack for it not being KSP here. Whatever it's still a super cool gravity assist. Those guys over at ESA really know what they're doing!

[–]benihana -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I've seen this gif so many damn times on reddit in the past year. I get that it's neat, and I get that people are excited about it. The first few times I saw it, I thought it was awesome.

But y'all also have to understand that people join specific subreddits for a reason: they're specific to interests. And when those subreddits get cross-reposts, it annoys people because it screws with the reddit experience they've tried to tailor for themselves.

Put it this way: it's really popular on reddit to say "reddit is great if you just subscribe to subs that are relevant to you." So you do that, but then you get irrelevant posts like this. I don't subscribe to this sub to see old posts from /r/space. I subscribe to this sub to see stuff about this game.

So yeah. I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm trying to bring up a different perspective. If it comes off prickish, sorry - go ahead and downvote me. But at least think about what I'm trying to say.

[–]chicknblenderMaster Kerbalnaught 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

You make some good points. I just got back into KSP a few months ago and haven't ever seen this before, even though I lurk in /r/space a good bit. I am just glad that this got brought to my attention.

[–]CarlosWeiner 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

Obligatory "I haven't seen this, and I fucking loved it."

If a single irrelevant post gets you this irritated, I think you need to cut down on the redditing.

[–]Perryn 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I get what you're saying, but when I see something I've seen before or that doesn't interest me, I turn my eyes about 5 degrees down to look at the next post instead. I sometimes have to do that as many as thirty times a day, but I manage.

[–]veywrn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just press J. I'm a bit lazy, granted.

[–]sw_faulty 29ポイント30ポイント  (13子コメント)

If I tried to do this I would probably forget to attach a transmitter or something

[–]fetus_potato 18ポイント19ポイント  (11子コメント)

Or forget to deploy the damn solar panels..

[–]prometheus5500 9ポイント10ポイント  (10子コメント)

Fyi, you can set one of your batteries to not be used. Once you've realized you messed up and are out of juice, you can flip that battery on and deploy your panels! You can set the batteries on or off during construction or in flight.

[–]dcmcilrath 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

I don't think that works because if you do mess up and forget to deploy the panels, then when you get to the point where you can no longer deploy them you'll also be at the point where you can't switch on a backup battery...

Edit: Nvm, TIL. Although I find this hilariously cheat-y. If the probe has died, then how does it get the message to turn the battery on?

[–]prometheus5500 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

I find this hilariously cheat-y

Just pretend that when all the power runs out (except the one battery), the probe is designed to shut down 99.999% of it's functions, only leaving JUST a trickle of power waiting to hear the "switch on battery" command. But yeah, a Tad cheat-y. Haha.

At least on a manned mission, you can imagine the Kerbals themselves switching on the back up battery... also just assume they require no life support.... haha.

[–]Logg 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is what I do. I pretend that the ship had gone into "Deep Hibernation".

[–]prometheus5500 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exaaactly. Sometimes you gotta get creative with your suspension of disbelief.

[–]t3h_PeNgUIN_0F_d0Om 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Doesn't take power to turn the batteries on

[–]hab136AutoAsparagus Dev 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It does work; toggling batteries (or fuel tanks) doesn't depend on being able to control the craft.

[–]Beheska 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Are you using Remote Tech? It works in stock (at lest it did the last time I had to do it).

[–]duncanmcconchie 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or land in the shade :/

[–]the_gum 32ポイント33ポイント  (50子コメント)

it's a shame that you can't really plan such maneuvers in ksp. not that it's impossible, but there are no tools in the game to support that.

[–]cavilier210 29ポイント30ポイント  (32子コメント)

Grab some paper, a pencil and a calculator (if you're into that sort of thing) and crunch them numbers!

[–]KimJongUgh 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

While it is probably doable, doing so in KSP where floating point errors are a bane to multiple gravity assist trajectories would make it extremely difficult. I’d say you could do it more “easily” with the Principia nbody physics mod.

[–]cavilier210 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

True, but small corrections could make up for the floating point errors.

[–]FellKnightMaster Kerbalnaut 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, I'd bet my life savings that Rosetta had to make more than one course correction.

[–]POGtastic 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

This. You aren't going to be able to account for everything, although you can try. They definitely made small corrections along the way.

[–]KimJongUgh 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Certainly! And deep space maneuvers are used IRL as well. However, in the cases where you have such minute amount of fuel, correcting a potentially ruined PE over a planet on SOI switch wouldn't be practical, especially if you are playing a rescaled solar system mod (RSS/6.4Kerbin).

[–]cavilier210 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, you're talking about the weirdness that can occur when entering SOI? I guess I hadn't thought of that.

[–]chicknblenderMaster Kerbalnaught 12ポイント13ポイント  (21子コメント)

I'm afraid that the math is a little bit too complicated for that. :)

[–]NerfRaven 74ポイント75ポイント  (14子コメント)

2 calculators!

[–]MemorianX 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

It doesnt only give you twice the calculation power but it allows you to run the calculation in parrallel

[–]SpddracerMaster Kerbalnaut 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Slide rule for days baby.

[–]Joker1337 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

[–]ArrowstarBoeing Astrodynamicist 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

[–]SAI_Peregrinus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was just about to link that. It's definitely the best tool for mission planning in KSP. Thanks for making it!

[–]kingphysics 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Mechjeb does porkchop plots.

[–]ArrowstarBoeing Astrodynamicist 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

KSP TOT does far, far more than just porkchop plots. :)

[–]kingphysics 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not saying Mechjeb's the best lol. Good enough for an amateur like me.

TOT is pretty awesome by the looks of it.

[–]chicknblenderMaster Kerbalnaught 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Arrowstar's tool also calculates flybys, which I don't think Mechjeb can do.

[–]kingphysics 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wasn't saying Mechjeb is better or anything. Just stating a fact.

Mechjeb might be better for amateurs (i.e. me).

[–]Tristan_Gregory 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

MOAR CALCBOOSTAS!

[–]tieberion 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd need a sonic Screwdriver to run those calculations. What's amazing, is all of the base math/physics, etc started thousands of years ago. And games like KSP help push those boundary's and get people excited about space, and even teach them the basics.

[–]tbtregenza 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Attach struts

[–]inucune 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Drop thrust limiter to 80. longer burn, less drag in low atmo.

[–]ruler14222 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

have you tried using boosters with your calculator?

[–]chicknblenderMaster Kerbalnaught 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

So that's what I was doing wrong!

[–]Beheska 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

To quote my math teacher: "Calculators fly well, bit the landing is harder."

Nothing sounded more Kerbal in retrospect.

[–]POGtastic 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

You could definitely swing it with a TI-83. I wouldn't want to do it with pencil and paper, though.

[–]SAI_Peregrinus 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It would take a very, VERY long time. Optimizing a similar trajectory 4+ gravity assists to hit a target takes over a minute on my system with KSP-TOT (Arrowstar's MATLAB-based tool), on my PC. And I've got an Intel Core i7 4790k @4.4GHz. The TI-83 uses a Zilog z80 at 6MHz. So roughly a 1000x difference in clock speed, let alone all the extra optimizations and differences between the processors. You'd be looking at several days of straight computation on the TI-83. Still faster than pencil and paper though.

[–]POGtastic 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, optimizing it would be a whole 'nother cookie right there. I'm thinking of a "good enough" solution.

[–]MegaCrapkin 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

How do you measure distances in KSP as well as how long it takes for a body to orbit the Sun?

[–]IndorilMiara 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Measuring exact distances without mods is tricky, but doable if you have a good reference point (you do - your altitude above your current body).

Orbital periods you can grab from the ksp wiki, they're listed on every planet's page.

You need a protractor for calculating angles though, and you can make mistakes if the camera angle isn't perfect.

It becomes a lot easier with some basic telemetry mods, like Kerbal Engineer Redux. I wish more of that functionality was in stock.

[–]MegaCrapkin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh okay, thank you. Yeah that sort of stuff definitely needs to be added into vanilla KSP sometime in the near future.

[–]cavilier210 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

All of that info is on the wiki, and also (iirc) on the tabs in map view.

[–]chicknblenderMaster Kerbalnaught 17ポイント18ポイント  (14子コメント)

It's very difficult to get successive assists like this every orbit, but it's comparatively easy to get combined assists, say, 5 orbits into the future if you don't mind the in-game time passage.

KSP TOT is a good tool for more advanced planning, although I don't think it could've mapped out the complete course as shown in the GIF.

[–]KSPozSuper Kerbalnaut 9ポイント10ポイント  (11子コメント)

I can confirm. Mission to the Joolian system with Eve-Eve gravity assist took me 62 years but it is definitely doable in KSP.

[–]chicknblenderMaster Kerbalnaught 9ポイント10ポイント  (9子コメント)

I finished a 195-year mission last night using lots of flybys. Can't wait to publish the results but it's gonna take awhile to get it ready. :)

[–]Xrave 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

so how far should i set the reminder to check your mission log :P

[–]chicknblenderMaster Kerbalnaught 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'd be surprised if it takes me longer than 2 weeks. I do have almost a terabyte of video to sift through though.

[–]Xrave 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ouch.

[–]chicknblenderMaster Kerbalnaught 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm just relieved that I pulled off the actual gameplay and excited to be editing video. I've been working on it daily for greater than a month. It's gonna be freaking awesome though. :)

[–]Xrave 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

well I'm anticipating it. do you have a youtube channel i can subscribe to for the push notif? :D

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[–]josh_legs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

it would be cool if you got a combo bonus for that

[–]Daolpu 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Regarding the whole in game time passage thing... as of 1.0, you can warp on your trajectory!

• 'Warp To' action added to orbit context menu. Allows warping to a specific spot along your trajectory.

[–]Astrokiwi 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The interface and the rounding errors get so finicky that it's really tricky to do gravity assist at all really. It's okay for figuring out your first intercept, but it seems a bit dodgy on predicting what the resulting orbit is actually going to be.

[–]yershov 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Would you like a simple tool that will just show a marker on a nav-ball, such that if you fire along it, then you get to the destination with minimum fuel spent (minimum delta-v)? I can make it work in a month. :)

[–]Puddn_Head 13ポイント14ポイント  (12子コメント)

Wooow. Source?

[–]NerfRaven 40ポイント41ポイント  (10子コメント)

Its Rosetta's course

[–]Coriform 11ポイント12ポイント  (9子コメント)

Quite the tour de force!

[–]BeetlecatOne 8ポイント9ポイント  (8子コメント)

Their tour guide, I would endorse!

[–]Stumpledumpus 6ポイント7ポイント  (7子コメント)

This voyage would impress the Norse!

[–]Fatheed1 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

I'm ruining this thing with a KSP Horse.

[–]Transfusiionz 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

.. .----. -- / ... .--. . .- -.- .. -. --. / .. -. / -- --- .-. ... .

^(I'm speaking in Morse)

[–]grumpyoldham 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

And this comment is worse.

[–]FellKnightMaster Kerbalnaut 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

That rhyme was coarse.

[–]up-quark 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Martian periapsis of 250 km! The martian atmosphere stretches to 200 km. Wow.

[–]erasmusguy 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

ESA = Master Kerbalnaught

[–]rambokai 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Scott Manley could do it! :P

[–]mangecoeur 18ポイント19ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'd know its obvious but it'd just like to point out once again: WE LANDED A MOTHERFUCKING ROBOT ON A MOTHERFUCKING COMET. That. is. awesome.

[–]ligerzero459 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

And don't forget, IT'S STILL ALIVE!

To me, that's the best part. "We landed in the shade. Crap, we won't get much science"

Fast forward a year, "We're closer to the sun. The probe is coming back online. Yay, more science!"

[–]roentgens_fingers 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

And when it has enough power to send updates, it communicates via twitter.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jun/14/rosetta-mission-hibernating-philae-lander-spacecraft-wakes-up

[–]Iamsodarncool 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's not the probe doing that, it's ESA. It'd be stupid to connect such important and valuable computers to the internet.

[–]Something_Syck 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

And I'm sitting here trying to figure out how I'm going to rescue the rescue mission I sent to minimus to rescue the original landing crew

[–]squaresarerectangles 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds like it's time to start building that Minmus base you've always wanted, and to write up commendations for these early explorers who helped put in the ground work :)

[–]atomicxblue 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Anyone have another link to this? OP's link appears down.

[–]toy_boat_toy_boat 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Image hosting at 9gag....

EDIT -- I assume it's this one: https://i.imgur.com/TUkKuhf.gif

[–]SlimesWithBowties[🍰] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Are there more of these?

[–]smokebreak 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

There was an article a couple of years ago about a guy whose "specialty" was designing really really complex gravity assists. I can't find it right now :(

[–]JohnBovril 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I remember seeing something like this or exactly this back when Philae landed on the comet. It genuinely brought a tear to my eye. Some space-related stuff really does. Hits like a train.

[–]ANukeGuy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you are interested in the multiple gravity assists, I strongly also recommend looking into Cassini's flight plan as well as the upcoming Solar Probe+ (which will use seven! gravity assists to get to about 0.03 AU of the Sun). Ulysses also had a neat gravity assist for tossing it into a polar orbit of the Sun.

[–]nowes 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

_/ here is a free basket where you can drop your burned out calculators. You know those you crashed trying to do this in KSP

[–]rootnegative 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, rosetta.

Yeah. Twas boss.

But you take a look at any of the mission to the outer planets, they normally involve some pretty crazy manuevers and accuracy on a whole new level.

[–]enzo32ferrari 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is there a mod where I can calculate these gravity assists? That would be so helpful

[–]PMMeYourPokemonTeam 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Now I want to see this for New Horizons.

[–]iwaslegit 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it used just a gravity assist at jupiter.

[–]tieberion 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah new Horizons was the fastest thing we have ever sent out. I was still working on the Shuttle (Atlantis was my baby) at the time. We talked about could it have been launched from the Shuttle like we did on STS-34 with Galileo, but instead of 2015, it would have needed an additional boost, pushing it into early 2019, which, even in hibernation, the radioactive fuel source that provides hear/power would have decayed to the point we would have gotten Pluto Only, with nothing left if there were funds to push on and Study Kuiper Belt and possibly Ort Cloud anomaly's.

[–]PMMeYourPokemonTeam 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

2019

I'm so glad it wasn't that late of a mission! So cool that you got to work so close with these missions!

[–]StarManta 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Does anyone know how much delta-V was saved by that course, as opposed to launching it directly around the time of the final Earth gravity assist? I can't find any data on either A) its speed when it first left the Earth, B) how much delta-V it had to use maneuvering in the intervening years, or C) its final speed after the last Earth flyby.

[–]tieberion 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

After a brief encounter with asteroid 132524 APL, New Horizons proceeded to Jupiter, making its closest approach on February 28, 2007 at a distance of 2.3 million kilometers (1.4 million miles). The Jupiter flyby provided a gravity assist that increased New Horizons‍ '​ speed by 4 km/s (14,000 km/h; 9,000 mph)

[–]squaresarerectangles 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think the posted image was the Rosetta/Philae mission, your info about New Horizons is interesting too :)

[–]StarManta 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Although, coincidentally enough, it answered a question I had posed in a different thread about NH :)

[–]squaresarerectangles 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You sneaky x-post karma whore :p

[–]xu7 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, this is your daily bread. Like Voyager 1 launched in 1977.

[–]apDurodur 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

gravity? who gives a crap about gravity?

[–]Roygbiv0415Super Kerbalnaut 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can't mention boss level orbital mechanics without mentioning NASA's Messenger Probe. It's that hard to get to Moho in KSP, imagine how hard it is IRL.

[–]CookieDunk 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Did they have to go through so many loops. The comet was coming to them, couldn't they have waited until it was closer to land on it. Edit: spelling.

[–]VeryUniqueUsername 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

the comet and the lander needed to be moving at almost the same direction at almost the same speed. The only way to do that is to be in almost the same orbit, hence all the gravity assists.

They could have just picked a point where the comet would be when it's close to the earth and sent the lander to meet it there but then once the lander arrived it would be traveling at many thousands of meters per second, probably in the opposite direction to the comet. It would need an incredibly huge rocket to match speeds with the comet, and that rocket would need and even larger rocket to be launched. All this would probably turn out to be a much bigger, much costlier mission than the Apollo moon landings, all for the sake of saving a few years. It's much cheaper just to be patient.

edit: spelling

[–]computeraddict 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes, because you have to match its velocity to land something on it and not explode. Which is pretty significant. And getting fuel to orbit is incredibly expensive, which is why they went through such pains to conserve it.

[–]brutinator -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even with all this, it still barely pulled off the landing. I can't imagine it being successful if they also had a massive velocity difference as well.

It'd be a great way to seed space with human tech, though!/s

[–]recruz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are certainly additional factors to consider, fuel being a big one. Fuel is limited, and it would take so long to get from point a to b, you'd probably run out of fuel before you got to your destination.

[–]Shaper_pmp 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

couldn't they have waited until it was closer to land on it.

Yes, if they were happy "landing" at upwards of hundreds of metres per second... which we more usually call "catastrophically crashing into".

As they wanted to actually land on the comet, they needed to match not only position but also velocity. It's ludicrously expensive in propellant to accelerate a spacecraft to the velocity of a comet by burning your engines to catch up to it from earth orbit as opposed to using gravity assists from existing bodies to arrange an intersecting orbit with a small difference in velocity between your craft and the comet you're trying to land on.

[–]manioo8 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

can't help but think of this while watching

[–]Chaos_KlausMaster Kerbalnaut -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

doesn't even use n-body calculations ... lame.